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In the sci fi movie, the Covid survivors would now have some sort of immunity to whatever's coming from Venus.
Religious dogma everywhere will be fcuked.A6D6E6 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:08 pm I know it is only just the beginning of the investigation and that there is a long way to go before declaring life on venus, but fuck me - that has to be one of the most exciting things I've heard for years.
Knowing there is life on other planets (and by implication that it is possibly everywhere in the universe) would be epoch defining.
Some religions will retreat further into the gaps, some will re-interpret their texts and some will refuse to accept unless (and possibly even if) aliens land on the White House Lawn.Sandstorm wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:58 pmReligious dogma everywhere will be fcuked.A6D6E6 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:08 pm I know it is only just the beginning of the investigation and that there is a long way to go before declaring life on venus, but fuck me - that has to be one of the most exciting things I've heard for years.
Knowing there is life on other planets (and by implication that it is possibly everywhere in the universe) would be epoch defining.
Surely it was the devil himself, creating fake news.A6D6E6 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:32 pmSome religions will retreat further into the gaps, some will re-interpret their texts and some will refuse to accept unless (and possibly even if) aliens land on the White House Lawn.Sandstorm wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:58 pmReligious dogma everywhere will be fcuked.A6D6E6 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:08 pm I know it is only just the beginning of the investigation and that there is a long way to go before declaring life on venus, but fuck me - that has to be one of the most exciting things I've heard for years.
Knowing there is life on other planets (and by implication that it is possibly everywhere in the universe) would be epoch defining.
Lazy twatYmx wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:32 pm Haven’t watched or read anything.
What is the evidence based on?
Actual samples from a probe, or some kind of deduction based on XYZ.
Something to do with gas and Venus and thus aliensYmx wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:32 pm Haven’t watched or read anything.
What is the evidence based on?
Actual samples from a probe, or some kind of deduction based on XYZ.
The Bahai will be fine.A6D6E6 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:32 pmSome religions will retreat further into the gaps, some will re-interpret their texts and some will refuse to accept unless (and possibly even if) aliens land on the White House Lawn.Sandstorm wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:58 pmReligious dogma everywhere will be fcuked.A6D6E6 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:08 pm I know it is only just the beginning of the investigation and that there is a long way to go before declaring life on venus, but fuck me - that has to be one of the most exciting things I've heard for years.
Knowing there is life on other planets (and by implication that it is possibly everywhere in the universe) would be epoch defining.
Detection of phosphine in the atmosphere for which they can't come up with a plausible, non-biotic explanation.Ymx wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:32 pm Haven’t watched or read anything.
What is the evidence based on?
Actual samples from a probe, or some kind of deduction based on XYZ.
Yeah, the researchers have been very clear to say that. They were very clear that they’ve ruled out all the known Geological and atmospheric mechanisms for its production. That probably means there’s a new mechanism. It’s similar to the carbon monoxide on Titan results a few years back.Hellraiser wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:03 pm Hate to burst the bubble but all this means, as pointed out already by several astrobiologists, is that phosphine levels probably aren't actually an accurate or reliable measure of biological activity.
Venus was probably a lot cooler in the past and possibly even had surface water. It seems that a runaway greenhouse effect turned it into the planet it is now - not because the sun is larger or hotter.Fonz wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:53 pm Ok, I'm not too knowledgeable on astronomy despite generally finding it pretty cool...but I've always wondered if Venus would have been hospitable to life at an earlier stage of the Sun's lifespan, before a hotter, larger sun and a gradual buildup of gases turned it into the inferno it is today.
And correspondingly, whether the planets are meant to "take turns" being the habitable one, millions (or billions) of years apart. I.e. we'll turn into a fireball, but then eventually down the line Mars will have gained the capacity to develop something.
Is this possible or am I talking complete nonsense?
Not quite. It’s an observation which we can only currently explain through a biological process, but we believe this is unlikely to be the cause and that it’s more likely there is an unknown chemical or geological process that will account for it instead.Plato’sCave wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:28 am Interesting yes, but this is not proof of life, it’s just an observation we can’t explain.
Yeah that’s about it.A6D6E6 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:20 amVenus was probably a lot cooler in the past and possibly even had surface water. It seems that a runaway greenhouse effect turned it into the planet it is now - not because the sun is larger or hotter.Fonz wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:53 pm Ok, I'm not too knowledgeable on astronomy despite generally finding it pretty cool...but I've always wondered if Venus would have been hospitable to life at an earlier stage of the Sun's lifespan, before a hotter, larger sun and a gradual buildup of gases turned it into the inferno it is today.
And correspondingly, whether the planets are meant to "take turns" being the habitable one, millions (or billions) of years apart. I.e. we'll turn into a fireball, but then eventually down the line Mars will have gained the capacity to develop something.
Is this possible or am I talking complete nonsense?
There is nothing to suggest that the planets are taking turns at being habitable - that would imply a guiding influence. It is just the way the planets have developed.
I'd avoid those pesky 5g masts if I were you....stemoc wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:14 am all it tells us that maybe a million years ago, venus had life but its now all gone cause in that million years, it moved closer to the sun and all life on that planet is now very much gone.... maybe a small packet of microbes remain but thats about it..if anything its a warning for us too..earth is only 150m Km away from the sun, won't be long till we reach 4-6 million km closer and seal the same fate as venus
That Brian Cox series covers thisFonz wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:53 pm Ok, I'm not too knowledgeable on astronomy despite generally finding it pretty cool...but I've always wondered if Venus would have been hospitable to life at an earlier stage of the Sun's lifespan, before a hotter, larger sun and a gradual buildup of gases turned it into the inferno it is today.
And correspondingly, whether the planets are meant to "take turns" being the habitable one, millions (or billions) of years apart. I.e. we'll turn into a fireball, but then eventually down the line Mars will have gained the capacity to develop something.
Is this possible or am I talking complete nonsense?
No. We (and Venus) are moving away from the sun. The main reason for Venus getting so much hotter is the greenhouse effect.stemoc wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:14 am all it tells us that maybe a million years ago, venus had life but its now all gone cause in that million years, it moved closer to the sun and all life on that planet is now very much gone.... maybe a small packet of microbes remain but thats about it..if anything its a warning for us too..earth is only 150m Km away from the sun, won't be long till we reach 4-6 million km closer and seal the same fate as venus
A fair response. I won’t be putting the flags out for our bug-eyed neighbours yet. If we do find them it will be most interesting to see how they wipe their arses.Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:48 amNot quite. It’s an observation which we can only currently explain through a biological process, but we believe this is unlikely to be the cause and that it’s more likely there is an unknown chemical or geological process that will account for it instead.Plato’sCave wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:28 am Interesting yes, but this is not proof of life, it’s just an observation we can’t explain.
It also spins in the opposite direction to most other planets. Probably flipped over at some point.A6D6E6 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:55 am Just a point to add about the temperature on Venus and its proximity to the sun - clearly being closer to the sun has an impact, but Venus is hotter than Mercury which is even closer (and has an odd tidal locking mechanism) so you have to look to other factors - namely the greenhouse effect.
You just described stemoc..Plato’sCave wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:59 amIt also spins in the opposite direction to most other planets. Probably flipped over at some point.A6D6E6 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:55 am Just a point to add about the temperature on Venus and its proximity to the sun - clearly being closer to the sun has an impact, but Venus is hotter than Mercury which is even closer (and has an odd tidal locking mechanism) so you have to look to other factors - namely the greenhouse effect.
stemoc wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:14 am all it tells us that maybe a million years ago, venus had life but its now all gone cause in that million years, it moved closer to the sun and all life on that planet is now very much gone.... maybe a small packet of microbes remain but thats about it..if anything its a warning for us too..earth is only 150m Km away from the sun, won't be long till we reach 4-6 million km closer and seal the same fate as venus
Jupiter has this gas as well but the process is known as much higher pressures and temperatures exist there.Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:48 amNot quite. It’s an observation which we can only currently explain through a biological process, but we believe this is unlikely to be the cause and that it’s more likely there is an unknown chemical or geological process that will account for it instead.Plato’sCave wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:28 am Interesting yes, but this is not proof of life, it’s just an observation we can’t explain.
Saturn tooUncle fester wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:33 pmJupiter has this gas as well but the process is known as much higher pressures and temperatures exist there.Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:48 amNot quite. It’s an observation which we can only currently explain through a biological process, but we believe this is unlikely to be the cause and that it’s more likely there is an unknown chemical or geological process that will account for it instead.Plato’sCave wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:28 am Interesting yes, but this is not proof of life, it’s just an observation we can’t explain.
Yeah, they both do, but those processes won’t be happening on Venus.Plato’sCave wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:37 pmSaturn tooUncle fester wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:33 pmJupiter has this gas as well but the process is known as much higher pressures and temperatures exist there.Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:48 am
Not quite. It’s an observation which we can only currently explain through a biological process, but we believe this is unlikely to be the cause and that it’s more likely there is an unknown chemical or geological process that will account for it instead.
Won't be long?stemoc wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:14 am earth is only 150m Km away from the sun, won't be long till we reach 4-6 million km closer and seal the same fate as venus
lol tbf, we humans would completely fuck the earth up in less than 100 years, forget a million yearsLemoentjie wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:48 amWon't be long?stemoc wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:14 am earth is only 150m Km away from the sun, won't be long till we reach 4-6 million km closer and seal the same fate as venus
Yes, was going to suggest The Planets series is well worth a watch for us that love it but know very little.Ymx wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:24 amThat Brian Cox series covers thisFonz wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:53 pm Ok, I'm not too knowledgeable on astronomy despite generally finding it pretty cool...but I've always wondered if Venus would have been hospitable to life at an earlier stage of the Sun's lifespan, before a hotter, larger sun and a gradual buildup of gases turned it into the inferno it is today.
And correspondingly, whether the planets are meant to "take turns" being the habitable one, millions (or billions) of years apart. I.e. we'll turn into a fireball, but then eventually down the line Mars will have gained the capacity to develop something.
Is this possible or am I talking complete nonsense?
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Take a look at the vid