Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:21 pm
The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this
"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."
I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.
If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.
If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?
Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:20 pm
by C69
Starmer stated today this is an attack on a working class woman.
He is a pretty shrewd guy. This is a no win for the Tories
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:22 pm
by Biffer
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:20 pm
Starmer stated today this is an attack on a working class woman.
He is a pretty shrewd guy. This is a no win for the Tories
It's a very good attack line against the tories and an us and them, privileged rich boys thing.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:21 pm
The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this
"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."
I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.
If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.
If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?
Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.
The aim of the story is to make voters think that all politicians are the same. The Tories have been involved in rampant corruption and this nice little vignette is "see, labour do it to! Vote Tory".
See also, Sir Beer Korma's perfectly legal beer and curry in Durham during partygate.
The Mail are a low tax, low regulation campaign vehicle and don't much concern themselves with truth.
A decade ago, Menzies quit as a ministerial aide following allegations about his behaviour by a Brazilian male escort.
Pmsl
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:43 am
by Tichtheid
Nick Boles, former Tory MP, writing to a newspaper (I'm copying from a photo on FB as I have trouble re-sizing photos on here);
Sir, Having served for nine years as an MP I know how low politicians can stoop when their backs are against the wall. But the Conservative attack on Angela Rayner is one of the most grotesque spectacles of hypocrisy I have witnessed. On one side is a billionaire Tory peer, Lord Ashcroft and a multimillionaire Tory prime minister, Rishi Sunk, whose families have all avoided paying millions of pounds in UK tax as beneficiaries of non-dom status and who live lives of luxury. On the other is a woman who grew up in poverty caring for her illiterate mother, who is now registered blind, and who through her own guts and character has risen to be deputy leader of the Labour Party. Even Rayner's accusers accept that the most she might have benefitted from the error that they allege - and which she denies - is less than £3000 in tax.
I suppose that her attackers cannot bear the idea that they are about to lose to a woman who pulled her self up by her bootstraps. And who is going to wipe the floor with them.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:21 pm
The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this
"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."
I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.
If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.
If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?
Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.
The aim of the story is to make voters think that all politicians are the same. The Tories have been involved in rampant corruption and this nice little vignette is "see, labour do it to! Vote Tory".
See also, Sir Beer Korma's perfectly legal beer and curry in Durham during partygate.
The Mail are a low tax, low regulation campaign vehicle and don't much concern themselves with truth.
There's an interesting article in the Guardian about the Tories who have been pushing the Rayner smear stories. If it looks similar to the spurious claims about Starmers beer and curry party, that's probably because its the same people using the same methods that were deemed successful by Tory HQ.
After the Mail published extracts from Lord Ashcroft's 'biography' of Rayner, they went on to publish 79 stories in 2 months accusing her of hypocrisy over the sale of her house. When that didn't work, they then moved on to making allegations that she may have lied about the location of her primary residence to avoid paying capital gains tax. The whole thing is being orchestrated by Richard Holden and his deputy James Daly.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:21 pm
The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this
"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."
I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.
If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.
If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?
Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.
The aim of the story is to make voters think that all politicians are the same. The Tories have been involved in rampant corruption and this nice little vignette is "see, labour do it to! Vote Tory".
See also, Sir Beer Korma's perfectly legal beer and curry in Durham during partygate.
The Mail are a low tax, low regulation campaign vehicle and don't much concern themselves with truth.
Before I reply to this, you wrote an excellent post around mental health on this thread a few weeks back. Meant to respond saying that I thought it was a great read, but didn't get around to it. So taking the chance now.
I see what you're saying, I just find it all so tragic.
The enthusiasm with which this is being persued, vs if it were a Tory (for fiddling, probably lets face it a lot more) I mean, seriously, 10 times more? 100 time more? Probably not outside the realms of possibility.
Can get my head around the mail, for example. And why they're so keen. I don't like it, but I can understand it.
But a certain percentage of the population lapping it up. Like you say, saying things like "See, they're all the same. I'll keep my cross blue. Phew, conscience clear" Leaves me scratching my head, looking even more confused than normal.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:06 am
by dpedin
It is quite clear now that the whole Rayner non story has been manufactured by the Tories because they knew both the William Wragg and the Mark Menzies stories were going to get into the press and they wanted to distract the media and the public and create a 'dead cat' in advance. They will now compare the unsubstantiated claims about Rayner with the proven sleaze and corruption of Wragg and Menzies and try and draw parallels whilst claiming everyone in politics is at it! Many will believe this utter nonsense. The, mostly right wing press, have been only too happy to run with the story despite little if any evidence of any law breaches or tax fraud . Whilst we all understand the games being played it is very very annoying watching so called professional journalists doing very little other than regurgitate Tory shite press releases and what they are told in the bars of HoC without doing proper journalistic research.
However I am not sure the Tory 'go low, go very low' strategy is working - they are sitting on 19% in recent UK voting intention polls. Sunak personal rating is falling off the cliff.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:07 am
by C69
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:43 am
Nick Boles, former Tory MP, writing to a newspaper (I'm copying from a photo on FB as I have trouble re-sizing photos on here);
Sir, Having served for nine years as an MP I know how low politicians can stoop when their backs are against the wall. But the Conservative attack on Angela Rayner is one of the most grotesque spectacles of hypocrisy I have witnessed. On one side is a billionaire Tory peer, Lord Ashcroft and a multimillionaire Tory prime minister, Rishi Sunk, whose families have all avoided paying millions of pounds in UK tax as beneficiaries of non-dom status and who live lives of luxury. On the other is a woman who grew up in poverty caring for her illiterate mother, who is now registered blind, and who through her own guts and character has risen to be deputy leader of the Labour Party. Even Rayner's accusers accept that the most she might have benefitted from the error that they allege - and which she denies - is less than £3000 in tax.
I suppose that her attackers cannot bear the idea that they are about to lose to a woman who pulled her self up by her bootstraps. And who is going to wipe the floor with them.
Nick Boles
London SE5.
"
Fuck me that's savage.
Good on him
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:33 am
by epwc
Brilliant from Boles
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:04 pm
by SaintK
Another Boris Brexit bonus!!!!
Drug shortages are a “new normal” in the UK and are being exacerbated by Brexit, a report by the Nuffield Trust health thinktank has warned. A dramatic recent spike in the number of drugs that are unavailable has created serious problems for doctors, pharmacists, the NHS and patients, it found.
The number of warnings drug companies have issued about impending supply problems for certain products has more than doubled from 648 in 2020 to 1,634 last year
I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.
If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.
If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?
Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.
The aim of the story is to make voters think that all politicians are the same. The Tories have been involved in rampant corruption and this nice little vignette is "see, labour do it to! Vote Tory".
See also, Sir Beer Korma's perfectly legal beer and curry in Durham during partygate.
The Mail are a low tax, low regulation campaign vehicle and don't much concern themselves with truth.
Before I reply to this, you wrote an excellent post around mental health on this thread a few weeks back. Meant to respond saying that I thought it was a great read, but didn't get around to it. So taking the chance now.
I see what you're saying, I just find it all so tragic.
The enthusiasm with which this is being persued, vs if it were a Tory (for fiddling, probably lets face it a lot more) I mean, seriously, 10 times more? 100 time more? Probably not outside the realms of possibility.
Can get my head around the mail, for example. And why they're so keen. I don't like it, but I can understand it.
But a certain percentage of the population lapping it up. Like you say, saying things like "See, they're all the same. I'll keep my cross blue. Phew, conscience clear" Leaves me scratching my head, looking even more confused than normal.
Very kind, thank you!
I think that most people don't care about politics enough to really read and consider what's going on. And the Mail/Sun/telegraph increasingly are in the business of turning readers brains into mush that won't question the increasingly desperate slop they're publishing.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:16 pm
by epwc
It's hard to find anything resembling a fact in the Mail (I'm exposed to this vile publication through my in laws)
I'd say list like this have existed for the last century at least, & have been passed from Chief Whip, to Chief Whip, to be updated & added to; but it's only because some thicko decided to put it on a computer that the rest of us are in on the "secrets".
... it's not even especially comprehensive, I mean if it was the bumblecunts entry would be a link to a whole other 50 meg Excel file .....
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:10 am
by dpedin
Good day for Gov to quietly slip out that they are once again, 6th time, delaying the implementation of health and safety checking of EU goods at the UK border. Brexit is really the albatross around the neck of the Tory Party! Sorry it is just one of the albatrosses around their necks, I forget about sleaze and Truss and Rwanda and covid PPE dodgy contracts and NHS waiting lists and Farage.... etc.
dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:10 am
Good day for Gov to quietly slip out that they are once again, 6th time, delaying the implementation of health and safety checking of EU goods at the UK border. Brexit is really the albatross around the neck of the Tory Party! Sorry it is just one of the albatrosses around their necks, I forget about sleaze and Truss and Rwanda and covid PPE dodgy contracts and NHS waiting lists and Farage.... etc.
Who do you want to raise it? The Labour party who is just as terrified of 'the B word'? The press who are mostly right wing Brexit backers? Nobody listens to the Lib Dems or the Greens.
Labour will tinker around the edges, but they'll do all they can not to engage with Brexit because the second they do the press will slaughter them.
dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:10 am
Good day for Gov to quietly slip out that they are once again, 6th time, delaying the implementation of health and safety checking of EU goods at the UK border. Brexit is really the albatross around the neck of the Tory Party! Sorry it is just one of the albatrosses around their necks, I forget about sleaze and Truss and Rwanda and covid PPE dodgy contracts and NHS waiting lists and Farage.... etc.
Who do you want to raise it? The Labour party who is just as terrified of 'the B word'? The press who are mostly right wing Brexit backers? Nobody listens to the Lib Dems or the Greens.
Labour will tinker around the edges, but they'll do all they can not to engage with Brexit because the second they do the press will slaughter them.
Fair point! Given all this I bet it barely registers on the main news channels. However Labour will need to have plans drawn up for dealing with this and other related Brexit issues for once they come into power otherwise the shitshow that emerges will be theirs to own!
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:55 am
by dpedin
Meanwhile and talking of shitshows ....
As with Brexit issues this is another millstone for incoming Labour Government - this will have significant impact on their fiscal position going forward. Tories are really trying to place landmines all over the place for Labour Gov. Now Sunak is on radio talking about the huge increase how they would tackle the growing levels of sickness in the UK workforce and has yet to mention the huge NHS waiting lists and huge cuts in public health etc. This sounds like another big contract for their mates at Serco etc to run the 'sick note culture'. They are truly despicable.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am
by Hal Jordan
Just like the benefits system. It will be lovely fat contracts for the chums with zero accountability, suicides and lives wrecked when people are mangled through the bureaucracy which starts with the premise "You are a fucking liar, prove that you are ill/cannot work, you idle workshy scum" and is administered by poorly trained, unmotivated people (or motivated by the wrong targets).
And Rachel Reeves will gleefully continue it under Labour, she is cut from the same cloth.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:29 am
by Sandstorm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am
Just like the benefits system. It will be lovely fat contracts for the chums with zero accountability, suicides and lives wrecked when people are mangled through the bureaucracy which starts with the premise "You are a fucking liar, prove that you are ill/cannot work, you idle workshy scum" and is administered by poorly trained, unmotivated people (or motivated by the wrong targets).
And Rachel Reeves will gleefully continue it under Labour, she is cut from the same cloth.
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am
Just like the benefits system. It will be lovely fat contracts for the chums with zero accountability, suicides and lives wrecked when people are mangled through the bureaucracy which starts with the premise "You are a fucking liar, prove that you are ill/cannot work, you idle workshy scum" and is administered by poorly trained, unmotivated people (or motivated by the wrong targets).
And Rachel Reeves will gleefully continue it under Labour, she is cut from the same cloth.
