Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:43 am
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Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:52 am
Jesus. Horrific stuff.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:07 am
Just another nail in the coffin of Western Civilisation.
To be frank, you'd be as well just converting now.
*Edit, the BBC, as you would expect, doesn't mention the beheadings and calls it quite simply "a knife attack" and then goes on to basically blame France, like a lot of people here and there will no doubt do.
To be frank, you'd be as well just converting now.
*Edit, the BBC, as you would expect, doesn't mention the beheadings and calls it quite simply "a knife attack" and then goes on to basically blame France, like a lot of people here and there will no doubt do.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:09 am
Just a word of warning, don't talk about this latest killing in Scotland.
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Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:33 am
Did anyone catch last week those two towns projecting the Mo cartoons against municipal buildings? Sparked some heated debate in various corners of the internet, unsurprisingly.
On the one hand, yes, it is provocative and would stir up further hostility from the Muslim community liek this horrendous incident. On the other, if you don't do it or something else to reinforce that anyone has the right to depict the prophet, whether it's in an educational context as with the teacher or straight up wanting to be offensive for the sake of it, then the extremists win. Yet if you take the course to assert the rights and secularism of France it gets construed as attacking Islam and helps the extremist recruiters. Every action that is perceived to encroach upon Islam fuels actions that will encourage greater state intervention and resentment of the French public towards their Islamic citizens (regardless of whether they're Islamists or not), yet the state cannot simply turn the other cheek. To do so would be a dereliction of duty to the populous.
It's a vicious Catch 22 to which I see no solution.
On the one hand, yes, it is provocative and would stir up further hostility from the Muslim community liek this horrendous incident. On the other, if you don't do it or something else to reinforce that anyone has the right to depict the prophet, whether it's in an educational context as with the teacher or straight up wanting to be offensive for the sake of it, then the extremists win. Yet if you take the course to assert the rights and secularism of France it gets construed as attacking Islam and helps the extremist recruiters. Every action that is perceived to encroach upon Islam fuels actions that will encourage greater state intervention and resentment of the French public towards their Islamic citizens (regardless of whether they're Islamists or not), yet the state cannot simply turn the other cheek. To do so would be a dereliction of duty to the populous.
It's a vicious Catch 22 to which I see no solution.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:11 am
Doesn't that prove that it's incompatible with Western Civilisation?
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:20 am
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:27 am
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:29 am
Look, Sam, it's not my fault if you don't have the bravery or balls to answer it.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:31 am
At the risk of indulging you, yes. Also no.
It's obviously not all Muslims or we'd be in outright warfare, but that statement feels an awful lot like 'not all men' when certain women's issues are discussed. No, not all, but enough. Then around that there will be those who actively support and legitimise, but do not themselves commit the atrocities. Then there are those who offer more tacit support, those who feign or claim indifference (which is tantamount to tacit support), others who are too cowed to speak up when they encounter an extremist view or support for extremists (again, functionally tacit support). It is an Islam problem and as someone with strong French heritage and still has family over there l I'm getting particularly sick and fucking tired of all the excuses that get made for the one faith group that keeps providing individuals willing to execute our citizens and an environment that nurtures them.
However, with that, there are Muslims perfectly happy to adhere to the norms and laws of the Western European societies they live in. Many have started to liberalise massively. They are absolutely compatible.
How we ditch the former, keep the latter and quash Islamist terror I simply do not know.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:31 am
Western Civilisation was built on the back of Christian values.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:27 amSo is Christianity if you only measure it by the actions of those on the fringes.
Ban all imaginary sky fairies is the way to go; or at the very least tax them into oblivion.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:33 am
And slavesDAC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:31 amWestern Civilisation was built on the back of Christian values.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:27 amSo is Christianity if you only measure it by the actions of those on the fringes.
Ban all imaginary sky fairies is the way to go
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:39 am
Name one civilisation that wasn't?Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:33 amAnd slavesDAC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:31 amWestern Civilisation was built on the back of Christian values.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:27 am
So is Christianity if you only measure it by the actions of those on the fringes.
Ban all imaginary sky fairies is the way to go
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:41 am
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:42 am
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:44 am
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:49 am
That's a lovely, but naive opinion. Given the atrocities committed against tens of thousands of young vunerable children and young women in this country that could not and would not have happened without the implicit enabling of most of the culprits communities. It's unescapable logic.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:31 amAt the risk of indulging you, yes. Also no.
It's obviously not all Muslims or we'd be in outright warfare, but that statement feels an awful lot like 'not all men' when certain women's issues are discussed. No, not all, but enough. Then around that there will be those who actively support and legitimise, but do not themselves commit the atrocities. Then there are those who offer more tacit support, those who feign or claim indifference (which is tantamount to tacit support), others who are too cowed to speak up when they encounter an extremist view or support for extremists (again, functionally tacit support). It is an Islam problem and as someone with strong French heritage and still has family over there l I'm getting particularly sick and fucking tired of all the excuses that get made for the one faith group that keeps providing individuals willing to execute our citizens and an environment that nurtures them.
However, with that, there are Muslims perfectly happy to adhere to the norms and laws of the Western European societies they live in. Many have started to liberalise massively. They are absolutely compatible.
How we ditch the former, keep the latter and quash Islamist terror I simply do not know.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:52 pm
and the raping of childrenDAC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:31 amWestern Civilisation was built on the back of Christian values.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:27 amSo is Christianity if you only measure it by the actions of those on the fringes.
Ban all imaginary sky fairies is the way to go
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:56 pm
If I read that correctly, Western Civilisation was built on the back of raping children?
That's a new height in apologism. Congratulations, that's really set the bar quite high.
That's a new height in apologism. Congratulations, that's really set the bar quite high.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:59 pm
raping of children = Christian values
No apologism, that's in your head. I treat all religions with same degree of contempt.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:07 pm
Normal Person: 3 people were murdered today, at least two of them were almost beheaded.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:59 pmraping of children = Christian values
No apologism, that's in your head. I treat all religions with same degree of contempt.
Insane Homer: Western Civilisation was built on the back of raping children.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:12 pm
Normal Person: 3 people were murdered todayDAC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:07 pmNormal Person: 3 people were murdered today, at least two of them were almost beheaded.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:59 pmraping of children = Christian values
No apologism, that's in your head. I treat all religions with same degree of contempt.
Insane Homer: Western Civilisation was built on the back of raping children.
DAC: All Muslims are bad because we should judge them based on the actions of a few, but not Christianity, institutionalised child raping is just the price we have to pay for our western civilisation.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:18 pm
You're incredible.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:12 pmNormal Person: 3 people were murdered todayDAC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:07 pmNormal Person: 3 people were murdered today, at least two of them were almost beheaded.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:59 pm
raping of children = Christian values
No apologism, that's in your head. I treat all religions with same degree of contempt.
Insane Homer: Western Civilisation was built on the back of raping children.
DAC: All Muslims are bad because we should judge them based on the actions of a few, but not Christianity, institutionalised child raping is just the price we have to pay for our western civilisation.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:38 pm
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:41 pm
He's just here to protect the vulnerable women and children in our nations.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:38 pmYou're transparent, one eyed, with an agenda that's almost as selectively, and intentionally, myopic as Tommy Robinsons.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:47 pm
It really isn't any wonder.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:50 pm
Failed attack in Avignon with the perp shot dead before he could do anything. Knife attack at the French consulate in Saudi too. Thankfully no one seriously hurt.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:00 pm
Tommy? He'd do better to look a bit closer to home if it's really about saving the childrenSandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:41 pmHe's just here to protect the vulnerable women and children in our nations.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:38 pmYou're transparent, one eyed, with an agenda that's almost as selectively, and intentionally, myopic as Tommy Robinsons.
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Gareth Dewhurst Convicted of disposing of the body of Paige Chivers
Kane Hutchison EDL supporter from Gateshead jailed for sexual assaults on teenage boys.
John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom supporter admitted 20 counts of making indecent images of children.
Merfyn Jones. North Wales Alliance/Combined Ex-Forces. Jailed for rape, attempted rape, indecent assault.
Michael McQueenie EDL supporter from Blackburn who was jailed for the rape and sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl with learning difficulties.
Mark “Archie” Sleman. EDL member who was convicted of kidnapping and sexually abusing 10-year-old girl.
Michael Coates. Pleaded guilty to a total of eight charges of indecent assault and two of attempted rape of a teenage girl.
Brett Moses. Given a 12-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, after earlier pleading guilty to sexual grooming.
Matthew Woodward. Pleaded guilty to 16 offences of indecent images of children.
Alan Thomas Ellis. 18-month community order for sending indecent texts to a teenage girl.
Stephen Payne. Groomed a 13-year-old girl.
Richard Price. Founder member of the EDL placed on the sex offenders register for downloading indecent images of children.
Nigel Hesmondalgh. A BNP memberjailed for possessing child porn.
Ian Siree. Pleaded guilty to possessing 138 illegal images child sex abuse
Darren Francis. Jailed in 1999 for multiple sex offences and degrading physical abuse of his then partner.
Michael Cowen. NF member who was jailed for having a library of tens of thousands of indecent images of youngsters stored on his computers.
Gavin Leist. BNP candidate jailed for possessing and distributed child pornography of boys under the age of 13.
Roderick Rowley. BNP Candidate jailed for 15 months after sending obscene images involving children.
Ian Hindle. BNP member who was jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls.
Andrew Wells. BNP member who was jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls.
Martyn Gilleard. Pleaded guilty to 10 counts of child pornography offences.
Andrew Rogers DFLA member who pleaded guilty to sexual communication with a child.
Unnamed teenager Sexually touched a child whilst desensitising himself for a future terror campaign.
Jordan Goodwin AKA Jordan Hagan Indefinite hospital order in 2011 after committing a serious sexual offence at the age of 12.
Dale Hewitt Jailed for a decade for sexually abusing and drugging underage girls.
Ryan Fleming Notable member of National Action jailed for 3 years for having underage sex with a 14 year old. This was his 2nd sexual conviction.
Paul Whiteside An EDL organiser who admitted a charge of child abduction.
Trevor Vinson A Britain First supporter who filmed himself sexually assaulting a 3 year old. Jailed for 21 years.
Bradley Alford Jailed for possession of indecent photos of children, attempting to meet a child, inciting a child to send sexual images and inciting a child to engage in sexual intercourse.
Christopher Gamlin Jailed for 21 months for attempting to meet a child after grooming and attempting to incite a child to engage in sexual activity.
Leigh McMillan Well known EDL member who was jailed for 17 years for grooming and child sexual abuse.
Jasper Gough Admitted sexually assaulting a woman and was jailed for 3 years.
James Andrew Swindlehurst. Member of the South Yorkshire Casuals who was jailed for 20 years for being found guilty of 13 non-recent counts of rape and indecent assault of a child.
Mark Ryley. Jailed for 13 years after being found guilty of six counts of indecent assault, seven of sexual activity with a child, one of assault by penetration and two of attempted rape.
Arthur “Misty” Thackeray The former chairman of UKIP in Scotland pled guilty to nine charges of intentionally sending, or directing “sexual verbal communication”
Peter Gillett Well known member of the EDL and “friend of The Krays” found guilty of multiple rapes against a teenager, along with indecent assault, and an assault that caused her actual bodily harm. He was also convicted child cruelty and gross indecency towards a boy aged between eight and 15, and indecent assault against a girl aged between 13 and 15. Jailed for 18 years.
Wayne Kirby EDL supporting convicted rapist.
Gerard Kendrick Far-right supporter raped two young boys and sexually abused four other children. Jailed for 18 years.
Jack Renshaw Well known former BNP member and National Action activist jailed for grooming two teenage boys. He also received 20 years for the plot to murder a Labour MP.
Kyle Davies Member of System Resistance Network who was jailed for planning a mass murder. Indecent images were found amongst his belongings. Jailed for 16 years.
Carl Tofts EDL supporter from Luton who was jailed after downloading thousands of images of children being abused.
Elliot Jones A member of the “Paedophile Squad” and EDL supporter convicted of blackmail of trying to incite a child into sexual activity.
Michael Kinnear Exploited a seven-year-old girl and involved her in pornography worldwide.
Paul O’Brien A Blood and Honour and NF supporting rapist. He admitted offences of rape, sexual assault and assault by penetration. Jailed for 9 years
Kristopher Allan Scottish Defence League supporter with a conviction for having sexual contact with a 13-year-old girl.
Terry Maughan. Drugged and raped a 17 year old girl. Jailed for 7 years.
Ryan Johnson Jailed for three years and 10 months behind bars for four counts of sexual activity with a child.
Bruce Cordwell Jailed for grooming a vulnerable 15 year old girl.
Alan Boulter Pled guilty to attempting to meet a 13 year old child following sexual grooming. Jailed for 20 months.
Michael Roles Jailed for 18 years for the rape of a girl under the age of 13, the attempted rape of a girl under the age of 13, indecent assault and twelve other similar offences against children.
Dean Chambers Found guilty of two counts of sexual assault against vulnerable adults. Jailed for 5 years.
Daniel Grant EDL supporter with a history of unnamed sexual offences given an indefinite sentence for other violent crimes.
Kevin Jenkins EDL supporter convicted of sexually assaulting a 14 year old school girl.
Ryan Schofield. Guilty of various sexual assault charges against women.
Daniel Lainchbury, Jailed for 4 and half yesrs for sexual assault of two random women in Leicester.
Peter Moore. A neo-Nazi serial killer who received a whole life term in 1996 for four brutal murders and a sting of other attacks.
Jacek Tchorzewski. A far-right terrorist also jailed for downloading videos, photos and animations depicting child rape, incest and “sexual interference with a corpse”.
Harry Vaughan. Posted on a far-right website named Fascist Forge which lead to a terrorism investigation. During the investigation child porn was found and he pleaded guilty to the charges. Awaiting sentence.
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Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:36 pm
Good Post.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:31 amAt the risk of indulging you, yes. Also no.
It's obviously not all Muslims or we'd be in outright warfare, but that statement feels an awful lot like 'not all men' when certain women's issues are discussed. No, not all, but enough. Then around that there will be those who actively support and legitimise, but do not themselves commit the atrocities. Then there are those who offer more tacit support, those who feign or claim indifference (which is tantamount to tacit support), others who are too cowed to speak up when they encounter an extremist view or support for extremists (again, functionally tacit support). It is an Islam problem and as someone with strong French heritage and still has family over there l I'm getting particularly sick and fucking tired of all the excuses that get made for the one faith group that keeps providing individuals willing to execute our citizens and an environment that nurtures them.
However, with that, there are Muslims perfectly happy to adhere to the norms and laws of the Western European societies they live in. Many have started to liberalise massively. They are absolutely compatible.
How we ditch the former, keep the latter and quash Islamist terror I simply do not know.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:12 pm
I don't know either - but certainly I can't see any downside to labelling the latter as terrorists, "randomly" selecting them for stop and search and basically telling them they are incompatible with "our" society!sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:31 amAt the risk of indulging you, yes. Also no.
It's obviously not all Muslims or we'd be in outright warfare, but that statement feels an awful lot like 'not all men' when certain women's issues are discussed. No, not all, but enough. Then around that there will be those who actively support and legitimise, but do not themselves commit the atrocities. Then there are those who offer more tacit support, those who feign or claim indifference (which is tantamount to tacit support), others who are too cowed to speak up when they encounter an extremist view or support for extremists (again, functionally tacit support). It is an Islam problem and as someone with strong French heritage and still has family over there l I'm getting particularly sick and fucking tired of all the excuses that get made for the one faith group that keeps providing individuals willing to execute our citizens and an environment that nurtures them.
However, with that, there are Muslims perfectly happy to adhere to the norms and laws of the Western European societies they live in. Many have started to liberalise massively. They are absolutely compatible.
How we ditch the former, keep the latter and quash Islamist terror I simply do not know.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:20 pm
Imo it will probably take another ten years of sustained Islamic terrorist activity in Europe for the masses to come to terms with what is going on and muster up the collective will to do something to meaningfully address the problem.
Up until now people who have been warning about the threat of Islam have been written off as "far right extremists" but as more and more people see that the threat posed to western civilisation is real those opinions will move into the mainstream.
Up until now people who have been warning about the threat of Islam have been written off as "far right extremists" but as more and more people see that the threat posed to western civilisation is real those opinions will move into the mainstream.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:30 pm
The Left scream "far right" at anything that isn't slightly left of Pol Pot. They are going to be in for a very big surprise when the real "far right" emerge due to the inaction by politicans of all colours and the media. Don't say you weren't warned.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:31 pm
You are both right. The vast majority of muslims won't commit these type of atrocities or acts of terror, but we have no idea how many of them deep in the back of their heads don't really disapprove these attacks.DAC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:49 amThat's a lovely, but naive opinion. Given the atrocities committed against tens of thousands of young vunerable children and young women in this country that could not and would not have happened without the implicit enabling of most of the culprits communities. It's unescapable logic.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:31 amAt the risk of indulging you, yes. Also no.
It's obviously not all Muslims or we'd be in outright warfare, but that statement feels an awful lot like 'not all men' when certain women's issues are discussed. No, not all, but enough. Then around that there will be those who actively support and legitimise, but do not themselves commit the atrocities. Then there are those who offer more tacit support, those who feign or claim indifference (which is tantamount to tacit support), others who are too cowed to speak up when they encounter an extremist view or support for extremists (again, functionally tacit support). It is an Islam problem and as someone with strong French heritage and still has family over there l I'm getting particularly sick and fucking tired of all the excuses that get made for the one faith group that keeps providing individuals willing to execute our citizens and an environment that nurtures them.
However, with that, there are Muslims perfectly happy to adhere to the norms and laws of the Western European societies they live in. Many have started to liberalise massively. They are absolutely compatible.
How we ditch the former, keep the latter and quash Islamist terror I simply do not know.
I remember few months after 9/11, a French tv reporter in Paris was asking teenage muslims who their hero was, Zidane was at the top but many mentioned bin fucking laden, girls included.
The past decade terrorist attacks were done mainly by "school dropout losers turned small time drug dealers" who considered themselves more Algerian than French.
Right now most of these attacks in Europe are done by young refugees coming from Afghanistan Syria and other shitholes that are living in a totally different world are proving that they are completely incompatible to be living in our society.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:32 pm
Is this your "rivers of blood" speech?
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:45 pm
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:03 pm
Don't you have any new material?
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:04 pm
Yes. because things have changed massively, haven't they?
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:46 pm
There'd be far fewer radical Muslims in Europe if it wasn't for Barack Hussein Obama creating the refugee crisis by de-stabilising Libya and funding extremists in Syria to try to topple al-Assad.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:49 pm
Not only do we have DAC here. Brilliant.
We also have a DAC multi within hours. Glory be
We also have a DAC multi within hours. Glory be
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:16 pm
The measures Macron is talking about implementing are a step in the right direction.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:33 am Did anyone catch last week those two towns projecting the Mo cartoons against municipal buildings? Sparked some heated debate in various corners of the internet, unsurprisingly.
On the one hand, yes, it is provocative and would stir up further hostility from the Muslim community liek this horrendous incident. On the other, if you don't do it or something else to reinforce that anyone has the right to depict the prophet, whether it's in an educational context as with the teacher or straight up wanting to be offensive for the sake of it, then the extremists win. Yet if you take the course to assert the rights and secularism of France it gets construed as attacking Islam and helps the extremist recruiters. Every action that is perceived to encroach upon Islam fuels actions that will encourage greater state intervention and resentment of the French public towards their Islamic citizens (regardless of whether they're Islamists or not), yet the state cannot simply turn the other cheek. To do so would be a dereliction of duty to the populous.
It's a vicious Catch 22 to which I see no solution.
They need to stop external funding for mosques and faith schools coming in from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
Countries also need to do all they can to discourage America from interfering in the Middle East and North Africa. Obama seems to receive virtually no criticism for creating the refugee crisis. Hopefully Trump will get in again and there won't be any more wars in the region for a while at least.