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Unique to New Zealand, Green Lipped Mussel (Green Shell Mussel) is one of nature's most powerful functional foods containing a range of bioactive ingredients that in particular promote joint health.

Our Deep Blue Health Green Lipped Mussel is sourced from licensed marine farms in the South Island of New Zealand and is rich in Glycosaminoglycans (GAGs), Omega 3 fatty acids, Glucosamine, Chondroitin sulfate, and marine protein. Our Green Lipped Mussel is freeze-dried to preserve these natural nutrients that provide support for joints.

In a recent composition analysis test of our Green Lipped Mussel, (batch dated 7 March 2019) Chondroitin Sulfate was found to equal an amazing 19.01% in our powder. This is an incredibly high percentage, which will have added benefits for our customers wanting to improve their joint health.

Benefits

Promotes joint health and mobility
Helps the body naturally repair and rebuild damaged cartilage
Supports connective tissue, speeds repair of ligaments and tendons
Provides significant anti-inflammatory activity
Natural pain relief without the long-term side effects of arthritic drugs
Green Lipped Mussel is an excellent source of Glycosaminoglycans (GAGs) that make the principal components of cartilage and the synovial fluid found in joints. These GAGs provide flexibility, elasticity and tensile strength to the articular cartilage. Taking GAGs can also exert a strong anti-inflammatory action on the connective tissue.

Research is also showing that Green Lipped Mussel may help with a reduction in inflammation leading to improved breathing in those suffering from asthma.

If you are looking for a product to support your pet's joint health please check out our PurePets product here.

Our supplement is made from pure fresh mussels so the capsules do maintain the natural smell of the potent raw ingredients.

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:04 pmRizla

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:04 pmRizla

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:51 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:04 pmRizla

Damn you that was what I came onto the thread to post!!

Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:10 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:51 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:04 pmRizla

Damn you that was what I came onto the thread to post!!

I’m completely ignorant concerning all stuff drug related, but I thought that rizla was a paper.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:43 am Hi folks, your resident knee expert here - knee arthritis has been my main research interest for the last 24 years and I hold a full University Chair in it. So for what it's worth, the evidence says:

1) Everything that you think works, works to some extent. It's called the placebo effect and is one of the most powerful healing mechanisms out there - if it works for you, it works. All subsequent points therefore relate to 'beyond placebo'.
2) Glucosamine and chondroitin don't work. There is no evidence that any meaningful molecule survives digestion and then ends up in the cartilage where it needs to be.
3) Capsaicin (the stuff that makes chillies hot) is the only proven effective nutrient that has an anti-inflammatory and analgesic effect; so much so it's actually available as a prescription drug.
4) Evidence is emerging that turmeric might have similar effects to capsaicin - should be clear within the next few years.
5) All other nutrient claims (most notably broccoli and red wine) are firmly in the bullshit camp. Some interesting chemical reactions have been observed when you put a specific molecule found in these foods/drinks in a petri dish and mix them with molecules known to be involved in various arthritic mechanisms, but that's it and it's miles and miles away from being meaningful to any processes in living human beings.
6) Exercise is a proven effective treatment improving outcomes across the board. The kicker obviously is that exercise can hurt and lots of people with arthritis stop exercising because of that. The good news is that even if exercise hurts, it doesn't do any (additional) joint damage - unless you're talking elite-level high-impact high-duration sport - don't go for that sub-3hr marathon with arthritic knees, folks. A good choice would be to switch from high-impact exercise (e.g. running) to low-impact exercise (cycling, swimming) which have the same cardiovascular benefits with less chance of adverse biomechanical loads affecting your joints.
7) Insoles, adapted shoes, knee braces and gait changes (in particular, walking with a toe-out gait i.e., a slight version of the Charlie Chaplin walk) can be effective if your arthritis is caused by adverse biomechanics - excessive loads on the wrong part of the knee. Current evidence strongly suggests that this is only true for a subset of arthritis patients, but also that these interventions do no harm - if they do not lead to pain reduction, you simply discontinue them and you haven't exposed yourself to harmful side effects unlike with most dug therapies.

Happy to field any questions on this.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:00 am "Expert"

Very much looking forward to Bimbo taking this apart.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:43 am Hi folks, your resident knee expert here - knee arthritis has been my main research interest for the last 24 years and I hold a full University Chair in it. So for what it's worth, the evidence says:
In my experience
1) Everything that you think works, works to some extent. It's called the placebo effect and is one of the most powerful healing mechanisms out there - if it works for you, it works. All subsequent points therefore relate to 'beyond placebo'.
2) Glucosamine and chondroitin don't work. There is no evidence that any meaningful molecule survives digestion and then ends up in the cartilage where it needs to be. yup
3) Capsaicin (the stuff that makes chillies hot) is the only proven effective nutrient that has an anti-inflammatory and analgesic effect; so much so it's actually available as a prescription drug. ddsin't know that
4) Evidence is emerging that turmeric might have similar effects to capsaicin - should be clear within the next few years. It most definitely does
5) All other nutrient claims (most notably broccoli and red wine) are firmly in the bullshit camp. Some interesting chemical reactions have been observed when you put a specific molecule found in these foods/drinks in a petri dish and mix them with molecules known to be involved in various arthritic mechanisms, but that's it and it's miles and miles away from being meaningful to any processes in living human beings. interesting
6) Exercise is a proven effective treatment improving outcomes across the board. The kicker obviously is that exercise can hurt and lots of people with arthritis stop exercising because of that. The good news is that even if exercise hurts, it doesn't do any (additional) joint damage - unless you're talking elite-level high-impact high-duration sport - don't go for that sub-3hr marathon with arthritic knees, folks. A good choice would be to switch from high-impact exercise (e.g. running) to low-impact exercise (cycling, swimming) which have the same cardiovascular benefits with less chance of adverse biomechanical loads affecting your joints. So much this
7) Insoles, adapted shoes, knee braces and gait changes (in particular, walking with a toe-out gait i.e., a slight version of the Charlie Chaplin walk) can be effective if your arthritis is caused by adverse biomechanics - excessive loads on the wrong part of the knee. Current evidence strongly suggests that this is only true for a subset of arthritis patients, but also that these interventions do no harm - if they do not lead to pain reduction, you simply discontinue them and you haven't exposed yourself to harmful side effects unlike with most dug therapies. Logical

If you're on acid suppression meds make sure your magnesium intake is adequate

Would add that if you're on long term acid suppressant meds like Lanzoprazol make sure your magnesium intake is adequate

Happy to field any questions on this.

Fangle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:57 pm All the same my arthritis in my finger joints swell up visibly and become painful if I don’t take the placebo for a number of days.

Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:13 pm Good post, CC.

Way to ruin my placebo effect, though!

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:43 am Hi folks, your resident knee expert here - knee arthritis has been my main research interest for the last 24 years and I hold a full University Chair in it. So for what it's worth, the evidence says:

1) Everything that you think works, works to some extent. It's called the placebo effect and is one of the most powerful healing mechanisms out there - if it works for you, it works. All subsequent points therefore relate to 'beyond placebo'.
2) Glucosamine and chondroitin don't work. There is no evidence that any meaningful molecule survives digestion and then ends up in the cartilage where it needs to be.
3) Capsaicin (the stuff that makes chillies hot) is the only proven effective nutrient that has an anti-inflammatory and analgesic effect; so much so it's actually available as a prescription drug.
4) Evidence is emerging that turmeric might have similar effects to capsaicin - should be clear within the next few years.
5) All other nutrient claims (most notably broccoli and red wine) are firmly in the bullshit camp. Some interesting chemical reactions have been observed when you put a specific molecule found in these foods/drinks in a petri dish and mix them with molecules known to be involved in various arthritic mechanisms, but that's it and it's miles and miles away from being meaningful to any processes in living human beings.
6) Exercise is a proven effective treatment improving outcomes across the board. The kicker obviously is that exercise can hurt and lots of people with arthritis stop exercising because of that. The good news is that even if exercise hurts, it doesn't do any (additional) joint damage - unless you're talking elite-level high-impact high-duration sport - don't go for that sub-3hr marathon with arthritic knees, folks. A good choice would be to switch from high-impact exercise (e.g. running) to low-impact exercise (cycling, swimming) which have the same cardiovascular benefits with less chance of adverse biomechanical loads affecting your joints.
7) Insoles, adapted shoes, knee braces and gait changes (in particular, walking with a toe-out gait i.e., a slight version of the Charlie Chaplin walk) can be effective if your arthritis is caused by adverse biomechanics - excessive loads on the wrong part of the knee. Current evidence strongly suggests that this is only true for a subset of arthritis patients, but also that these interventions do no harm - if they do not lead to pain reduction, you simply discontinue them and you haven't exposed yourself to harmful side effects unlike with most dug therapies.

Happy to field any questions on this.

Fangle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:57 pm All the same my arthritis in my finger joints swell up visibly and become painful if I don’t take the placebo for a number of days.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:36 pm I've never really had knee problems but my left one is hurting this afternoon.

Thanks idiots.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:20 pm

Fangle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:57 pm All the same my arthritis in my finger joints swell up visibly and become painful if I don’t take the placebo for a number of days.

Absolutely, if it works for you, it works and you should keep doing it, science be damned.

And one thing science is really bad at anyway is explaining individual responses to anything, it's all about average responses in large groups of people. Your body may have just the right biochemical strengths for chondroitin to be a wonderful supplement to take, who knows?

But also, the placebo response is a miracle of nature and achieves things that can go beyond what any scientist or clinician would consider credible - including suppression of inflammation like you describe above.

Mr Tim Buktoo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:16 pm Interesting. What about collagen or cod liver oil as mentioned above?
I'm not at the arthritis level just yet but it's in the family and no doubt I'm gonna get it bad. Are any of the above good to delay it's onset?

Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:13 pm Good post, CC.

Way to ruin my placebo effect, though!

dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:09 am Clyde - quick personal question. I have arthritic knees and have had a number of arthroscopies over last 20 years due to sport - rugby, football, squash, skiing - anything that is bad for knees! Last 5+ years I had pain in my left knee which I thought was arthritis. Couple of years ago I had septic arthritis in left knee, hospitalised for 10 days, a couple more arthroscopies to clean the infection out and a very long time on IV and then oral antibiotics. Crutches for 4 months, physio and then gym non stop for another 6 months. I am now back to normal gym routine and playing golf 3-4 times a week. My knee now feels better than ever, has better range of movement and the pain I had previously before the septic arthritis is greatly reduced. Is it possible I had a low grade infection in my knee for some years and this is what caused my knee pain prior to the bout of septic arthritis?

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:32 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:09 am Clyde - quick personal question. I have arthritic knees and have had a number of arthroscopies over last 20 years due to sport - rugby, football, squash, skiing - anything that is bad for knees! Last 5+ years I had pain in my left knee which I thought was arthritis. Couple of years ago I had septic arthritis in left knee, hospitalised for 10 days, a couple more arthroscopies to clean the infection out and a very long time on IV and then oral antibiotics. Crutches for 4 months, physio and then gym non stop for another 6 months. I am now back to normal gym routine and playing golf 3-4 times a week. My knee now feels better than ever, has better range of movement and the pain I had previously before the septic arthritis is greatly reduced. Is it possible I had a low grade infection in my knee for some years and this is what caused my knee pain prior to the bout of septic arthritis?

That's definitely possible. Around the knee, and most other joints for that matter, is a bag of fluid - the synovium. It's the primary site of arthritic inflammation: synovitis. A clean out of the joint plus elephant killer antibiotics will probably have eliminated any inflammation in that area.

Alternatively, or additionally, they may have removed some bony spikes (osteophytes) during the arthroscopies, which could have caused pain and mechanical obstruction (loss of range of motion).

A third very common cause of pain is a frayed meniscus. The meniscus most resembles a figure-of-8 rubber band which serves as a shock absorber in the knee joint and is very susceptible to tissue damage. It is quite often cleaned up during arthroscopy as well, with removal of the frayed ends.

Both osteophytes and meniscal tears and also microfractures in the cartilage can lead to low-grade synovitis that never gets quite bad enough to warrant surgery by itself but leads to significant functional limitation nevertheless. A nice bout of septic arthritis then provided the reason to go in after all and clean things up. Good to hear you've recovered so well, that's not a guarantee!

If you happen to have the clinical notes from the procedures you could check if any of these things are mentioned.

Knoath wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:29 am Hi Clyde
So you seem to know what you're saying. My wife has bad cartlidge issues in knees and yes she has been using the other shit, which I constantly point out, she actually believes your post though. Any advice on cartlidge issue (pretty much gone according to her and doctors)
Cheers in advance

Mr Tim Buktoo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:20 pm Have been running for years and can feel the ole knees starting to struggle.
Any good supplements to recommend for joints/muscles?
I know glucosamine seems to be the main one. I used to drink cod liver oil straight from the bottle every day! No idea if that did much for me.
Any proper research done or are they all shyte.
Ta.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:53 pm Not sure if you guys can get this stuff but I swear by it

https://www.deepbluehealth.co.nz/collec ... N5EALw_wcB

Our Secret

Unique to New Zealand, Green Lipped Mussel (Green Shell Mussel) is one of nature's most powerful functional foods containing a range of bioactive ingredients that in particular promote joint health.

Our Deep Blue Health Green Lipped Mussel is sourced from licensed marine farms in the South Island of New Zealand and is rich in Glycosaminoglycans (GAGs), Omega 3 fatty acids, Glucosamine, Chondroitin sulfate, and marine protein. Our Green Lipped Mussel is freeze-dried to preserve these natural nutrients that provide support for joints.

In a recent composition analysis test of our Green Lipped Mussel, (batch dated 7 March 2019) Chondroitin Sulfate was found to equal an amazing 19.01% in our powder. This is an incredibly high percentage, which will have added benefits for our customers wanting to improve their joint health.

Benefits

Promotes joint health and mobility
Helps the body naturally repair and rebuild damaged cartilage
Supports connective tissue, speeds repair of ligaments and tendons
Provides significant anti-inflammatory activity
Natural pain relief without the long-term side effects of arthritic drugs
Green Lipped Mussel is an excellent source of Glycosaminoglycans (GAGs) that make the principal components of cartilage and the synovial fluid found in joints. These GAGs provide flexibility, elasticity and tensile strength to the articular cartilage. Taking GAGs can also exert a strong anti-inflammatory action on the connective tissue.

Research is also showing that Green Lipped Mussel may help with a reduction in inflammation leading to improved breathing in those suffering from asthma.

If you are looking for a product to support your pet's joint health please check out our PurePets product here.

Our supplement is made from pure fresh mussels so the capsules do maintain the natural smell of the potent raw ingredients.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:43 am Hi folks, your resident knee expert here - knee arthritis has been my main research interest for the last 24 years and I hold a full University Chair in it. So for what it's worth, the evidence says:

1) Everything that you think works, works to some extent. It's called the placebo effect and is one of the most powerful healing mechanisms out there - if it works for you, it works. All subsequent points therefore relate to 'beyond placebo'.
2) Glucosamine and chondroitin don't work. There is no evidence that any meaningful molecule survives digestion and then ends up in the cartilage where it needs to be.
3) Capsaicin (the stuff that makes chillies hot) is the only proven effective nutrient that has an anti-inflammatory and analgesic effect; so much so it's actually available as a prescription drug.
4) Evidence is emerging that turmeric might have similar effects to capsaicin - should be clear within the next few years.
........

Happy to field any questions on this.