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Just a heads up for those invincible folk. I've never had an allergy or barely a day of sickness beyond a couple of belts of proper man-flu my whole life.

Late 2019 noticed a bit of regular coughing, I smoke so wasn't too surprising, early March had a bit of a coughing fit and managed to rip my lung off the wall of my gut - collapsed lung they call it, fucking painful too.

Obviously poor timing to have a lung condition at the outbreak of a global pandemic of a disease which attacks lungs and takes a high toll of those who have pre existing lung condition!

So, as you do you tend to avoid contact with folk in that situation. I did see a doctor as a follow up to the ambulance call and hospital stay in later March just before NZ's lockdown. No sign of cancer in X-ray at the time so slightly relieved.

Year continues and NZ's covid position looks quite rosy so organize another doctor visit to sort this persistent cough out. Smoking less and on the patch, chewing the nicotine gum I've self diagnosed myself with Emphysema. Collapsed lung, the rosey little air sacs in the lung popped as per X-ray. At least it's not cancer right..

So, day of Doctor visit coincides with NZ's second covid lockdown. I'm not going to a medical facility with a rampant killer virus on the loose, that's just dumb.

At this stage I'm noticing change. I'm getting tired quick. I get up to do something and I last 10mins before I feel I need to go sit down again. I'm 46, not exactly old but no spring chicken either. 46, smoking durries, and around 135KG. A fat lazy cunt basically. I've never been one to really be in denial, so the thought of walking into see the doctor and explaining my ailments and expecting a miracle when I can look in the mirror and say to myself "You're a fat lazy cunt, smoking durries, what do you reckon the doctor is going to tell you mate"?

Anyway. I'm getting tired and fatigued quicker, I'm drinking like a fish, no alcohol but 10+ litres of whatever is available to me. Water, orange juice, whatever just an unquenchable thirst. I notice im having trouble walking, almost locking my knees to stop from toppling over, or feeling like im going to topple over, my fingers are getting numb and all of a sudden I cant read my phone, my eyesight is failing. This is over a timeline of 5-6 months.

I probably should mention im self employed. For whatever reason I rarely say no, and work is a priority, so the work/life balance is never something I've completely come to grips with. Make hay while the sun shines sort of thing. So all of this is happening at the same time, im busy with work rebounding from the economic effect of the Covid drama, a bit of stress, some weird shit going on with my body.

When I realised my sight was going I knew something was definitely up. I've had perfect 20/20 vision all my life, can read small type of a magazine or newspaper halfway across the room sort of thing.

Another thing to mention is during this time I didn't necessarily feel bad or crook, just fatigued which I put down to little exercise and age.

So, the 2 week delay for doctor appointment rolls around, I say what's going on but firstly emphasizing the coughing issue from earlier in the year. That seems like the biggest issue to solve. Clever doctor almost instantly ties it all together and says it sounds like diabetes, righto.. off for blood test which I take that day.

Two days later doc calls and his exact words were "Fuck mate, you have the worst blood levels I've ever seen, I've already called the hospital" etc etc. Now I'm worried.

So, Type 2 Diabetes. Have a blood glucose? Reading of 142. A regular person has a reading of 42, you're diabetic at a reading of 50. It's a bit of a runaway in my case, left shit too long obviously.

As you do though, I owned it and completley changed everything. Diet, exercise. With the introduction of some diabetes meds and insulin the cough evaporated, eyesight slowly returning to normal. Blood sugar levels are where they should be, and according to lovely and quite frank specialist at Waitakere Hospital it's looking like I'll make full recovery within a year to come off meds and insulin provided I carry on doing what I'm doing.

After 8 weeks of being diagnosed I can look back at how horribly debilitating the disease is/was, maybe still is.

Better than having a heart attack out on the footpath or supermarket I suppose, a good lesson in it to pass on though. If you aren't looking after yourself, it's probably time you did. You really dont want to be where I was. Its possible the disease was floating around in the background for a few years slowing me down and I only really took notice at the very height of symptoms. I'd put on a bit of weight over the last several years without completely understanding why or how, but always being too busy to really stop and look.

Holy shit

Uhhh... jesus, I guess a pat on the back for getting well into recovery so quickly man, but fuuuuuck that’s a close call.


I’ve read a fair slab of Michael Mosley’s book The Fast 800. He’s the British doctor who’s made a few TV shows putting himself through various diet / fasting regimes among other decent stuff. Long story short is that he prescribes dieting and fasting ( stuff like eating within an 8 hour period and not outside that) as an excellent treatment for Type II diabetes.

It’s definitely worth checking out for anyone falling into the sort of scenario you outline.

Also... Jesus h frickin Christ, man.

Jesus, what a fright. Good to hear you’re OK, mate. You cut it a bit fine. Take care of yourself from here on in.

I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes about twelve years ago. I wish I could say I turned my life around then, but I pissed about with some pretty half hearted efforts to improve, and just relied on the medicine to keep me right. About three years ago I started getting in shape and it’s been brilliant. I wish I’d done it earlier. From a high of 95 kgs, I’m down to 71, and apparently not technically a diabetic anymore. I wish I’d made fitness a priority much earlier.

This could be a good thread for a forum with our demographic.

As a heavy set man who is half Polynesian I always worry about Type 2 Diabetes. I eat okay and exercise moderately.

To the OP, well done to you. What lifestyle/diet changes have you successfully implemented?

Well played, sir. It takes either courage or one fucking huge scare to implement the sort of changes you did. I see my GP once a month without fail and have regular blood tests and any other tests he recommends.

A lot of information. Quite an overwhelming amount of information and conflicting information too from what I've looked at in the last couple months.

I've basically fallen into the "dont eat shit and do some fucking exercise" basket for now. If I get a handle on that and shed some weight I can call it a good start. I'm 10kg down in 6 weeks, and daily glucose levels after fasting through sleep are within correct levels.

It's not a bad thing to happen to me personally. Its within my control which is perfectly acceptable to me. So of all the shit things that someone could wind up with, I can be grateful it's only up to me to steer myself out of it. And change for the better is obviously good for anyone, I dont think many people die or get incapacitated from a healthier lifestyle.

Oddly, I don't believe I had a particularly terrible lifestyle or lead an indulgent neglectful life prior to diagnosis. I guess I was just kind of regular normal with the exception that I rarely drink alcohol. I never had a junk food diet or completely lacked any exercise, I just got got by diabetes.

Which I suppose is the point of this post I guess. Best bet is to avoid getting got like I did by actively seeking a path of avoidance. I'm not entirely sure what that path is but it definitely relies on less modern convenience, an active lifestyle outside of work if your work doesn't involve physical activity, and eating along the guideline of a good balanced diet.

More just a cautionary tale probably than anything else.

Stick with it SC. Unmanaged Type 2 now and they cut off a foot or two in 7-10 years.

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:54 am A lot of information. Quite an overwhelming amount of information and conflicting information too from what I've looked at in the last couple months.

I've basically fallen into the "dont eat shit and do some fucking exercise" basket for now. If I get a handle on that and shed some weight I can call it a good start. I'm 10kg down in 6 weeks, and daily glucose levels after fasting through sleep are within correct levels.

It's not a bad thing to happen to me personally. Its within my control which is perfectly acceptable to me. So of all the shit things that someone could wind up with, I can be grateful it's only up to me to steer myself out of it. And change for the better is obviously good for anyone, I dont think many people die or get incapacitated from a healthier lifestyle.

Oddly, I don't believe I had a particularly terrible lifestyle or lead an indulgent neglectful life prior to diagnosis. I guess I was just kind of regular normal with the exception that I rarely drink alcohol. I never had a junk food diet or completely lacked any exercise, I just got got by diabetes.

Which I suppose is the point of this post I guess. Best bet is to avoid getting got like I did by actively seeking a path of avoidance. I'm not entirely sure what that path is but it definitely relies on less modern convenience, an active lifestyle outside of work if your work doesn't involve physical activity, and eating along the guideline of a good balanced diet.

More just a cautionary tale probably than anything else.

Carb Restriction = remission. - https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/put-dia ... -carb.html

Being married to someone of subcontinent ancestry, it's something I am well aware of. Both grandmothers had it (neither grandfather lived to 60 so it wasn't an issue) and her father developed it in his late 50s so I think we have a clear idea of what's round the bend.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:33 am This could be a good thread for a forum with our demographic.

As a heavy set man who is half Polynesian I always worry about Type 2 Diabetes. I eat okay and exercise moderately.

To the OP, well done to you. What lifestyle/diet changes have you successfully implemented?

Still early days for me though I've been told I'm on the right track. My own take on the whole gig is to shed some of the modern convenience and be more honest with myself in how I lived, or have lived.

As far as diet goes, I cut unnecessary carbs, bread is now wholegrain, brown rice. Eating more veges, less fruit.
Dairy has mostly gone, replaced with Soy except butter, yogurt. More strawberry based smoothies in my diet. Low GI sugar in place of conventional sugar in my morning coffee.

Just eating what is common sense "good" foods. No soft drink at all, keep the stuff I know is bad to a minimum. Icecream, chocolate, maccas etc. A diet of good food with emphasis on less carbs than my previous intake.

The introduction of the diabetes medication has given me the ability to exercise. Prior to the tablets and insulin i can reflect now that i was basically dieing, or my body was simply shutting down. I wasn't in any pain but to see where I am now to where I was is quite a big leap. I could describe the sensation of being shut out of my body albeit painlessly prior to medication. A bit of an odd reflection to realise down the track.

As far as exercise I'm getting by right now with cardio. Half hour on the cycle machine on mountain setting and half hour on the treadmill at brisk walking pace. In between I throw in a three 10 piece sets on the lat pulldown, benchpress, abdominal, and leg press machines. My strength had deteriorated so much I had to start these machines on maybe 20kg.

20kg was my limit for a bench press machine, I couldn't finish a set of 10 benchpresses of 30kg with those bench press machines which are probably the easiest exercise machines to push around. I recall not too long ago I could squeeze out 3 benchpresses on one of those machines at the maximum of 180-200kg and I was still unfit. That's the ravage of the disease at the height of it's possession of my body.

I'm still low at 45kg on those machines but every week I just flick another 5kg on. I've been going 3 days a week but I'm feeling like I can do it daily now so 5 days from next week and I'll push the cycling and treadmills further while maintaining the same routine with the weight machines.

Being PI or Maori pushes the diabetes rate out to some stupid figure compared to us Euro's. SE Asians in a similar boat to PI's which surprised me as I figured they had a pretty decent diet. Heavy on the carbs maybe but not full of shit us Euro's eat, or PI's for that matter, you couldn't say the modern PI diet is particularly good if I was to broadly or sweepingly generalise, but their has to be a reason why their diabetes incidence rate is overwhelmingly higher.

The changes with me personally haven't been monumental. Because their is such an overwhelming amount of diabetes information to take in from what seems to be millions of sources on the internet I just simplified it. Dont eat shit, do exercise, get slimmer and healthier. Just blatantly obvious stuff that's common knowledge and common sense for now. As I progress I'll seek a proper plan.

Once the NZ health system kicked in things opened up. I only saw the diabetes specialist on 5th December after diagnosis from doctor middle of October. I've been seeing a nutritionist at the doctor surgery but I feel I'm only going to see him to keep him employed, fuck all seems to happen from him. I have agreed to start attending some diabetes specific nutrition course organised through diabetes nurse at doctor surgery which I'm hopeful will be insightful.

As a "heavy set" PI though, I would urge you to move toward being lesser set, actively seeking regular exercise and what we would all consider to be a good balanced diet. Nothing you've never been told before I'm sure, but often we don't follow that common sense common knowledge and do our own thing, to our own detriment so I discover.

Obviously being diabetic is one thing, but it leads to heart disease and yada yada yada. Just more health drama we don't need or want.

The main point is to look after yourself while you have the ability, and don't put the basic necessity of life off (your basic health) because you're too busy. A lot easier and better to sort yourself out before winding up in my position.

Well done for early and ownership SC.

I was diagnosed type 2 11 years ago now from a “well man” check up, and I was early enough and (sugars weren’t in the 140’s) to take non medicine action.

I went to a then bordy for training, I lost 25 kilos and was non diabetic within 6 dramatic months.


Diet in these early stages though is the key. Read in the GI and GL indexes, cut out refined carbs for a few years and restrict them for ever. Weirdly eat more not less regularly etc. And yes this means oat cakes and hummus. Porridge no sugar for breakfast etc etc. But the reward is being much healthier than you’d have ever been without the diabetes warning.

Buzz me on here if you need anything, I’ve had clean HBA1c’s since 2010 and am an advocate of health changes for diabetics ....

Sound advice! I'm not diabetic but I know if I don't exercise regularly and try and control my weight then my general health suffers and my asthma which is normally well controlled gets worse. Shift your food addiction to a healthy addiction to exercise and cooking good food. Good luck mate.

Perfect, thank you bimbo. I will call on your knowledge. Probably a good start to this thread, two T2 recoveries within 10 replies shows just how common this gig is.

I've never been much of a torch bearer for righteous causes, but I feel this one is worth sharing and putting a spotlight on seeing I'm in the deep end of it, in what seems needless, unnecessary, and avoidable circumstances.

Incidentally, the doctor made quite a lot of excitement at my blood-sugar levels being the highest he'd ever seen at 142. The diabetes specialist at hospital laughed it off and said she had seen readings of 220-230!

I was in quite a state heading into see the doctor at 142 I had a hard time crossing the street on my own legs, the fucker throwing up 220 must have been carried in over someone's shoulder.

What a fat 300lbs cnut! How tall are you?

But seriously, you're body has taken a hammering. I'm mid-50s and have arthritic left knee which will need replacing in 10 years or so, dodgy right knee, arthritic left shoulder which means I cant lift over 40lbs above head with left arm without discomfort, reverse cervical lordosis (neck now curves wrong way slightly) and only 30% remaining of L1 vertebrae. I still sound better than you. Thanks for cheering me up.

I'm with you though. Since I stopped playing rugby at 29, I have not taken care of myself for a long period. I'm 6' and 230lbs (105kg). I should be down 30lbs/15kg minimum. After Christmas I intend to hit it.

Let me know of your progress and keep it up! Diabetes is no joke. Best of luck.

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:04 am Perfect, thank you bimbo. I will call on your knowledge. Probably a good start to this thread, two T2 recoveries within 10 replies shows just how common this gig is.

I've never been much of a torch bearer for righteous causes, but I feel this one is worth sharing and putting a spotlight on seeing I'm in the deep end of it, in what seems needless, unnecessary, and avoidable circumstances.

Incidentally, the doctor made quite a lot of excitement at my blood-sugar levels being the highest he'd ever seen at 142. The diabetes specialist at hospital laughed it off and said she had seen readings of 220-230!

I was in quite a state heading into see the doctor at 142 I had a hard time crossing the street on my own legs, the fucker throwing up 220 must have been carried in over someone's shoulder.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/newcast ... -diet.html

Worth a look (don’t do this on your own I’m sending as an example due to the source)

University of Newcastle have produced a seminal study on treating t2 with weight loss and WHY it works etc.

They did a decade or so of increasingly more populous studies with rapid weight loss and using MRI to regularly see what was happening in and around the Pancreas and liver, what they discovered was if weight loss is dramatic the body burns a type of fat that holds around the liver (think fois Gras on humans) which they propose is our emergency store .... and only if the calorie deficit is substantial enough does it get used first by the body. Clearing this fat out (regardless of other weight loss) gets out of the pancreas’s way (it sort of chocks it up).

Anyway the study has now changed the orthodox view that T2 is always progressive and cannot be reversed. This is slowly making its way through the medical community here.

Gwenno of the other parish is a GP, and he’s very strong now on early low carb and the potential of recovery.


I’ve only once had sugars over 45 (it wasn’t by much) since 2009, also coincidentally my clothes had all got a bit tight ...

A quick month of hard diet and lots of walking sorted it right out.

Also remember that the weight gain you’ve suffered was probably due to the condition over a decade or so, reversal is a permanent idea, and the required life style changes good for your whole health.

I have a lot of respect for anyone who takes responsibility for their lack of wellbeing and even more for those who can use it as a motivation for beneficial change. The year on year growth of Type II complication diagnoses indicates that the majority do neither and no doubt they have their reasons, I know quite a few who respond as the victims of a disease, and while that's understandable, it's also disappointing.

For those who aren't already aware, i'd like to add that regular or prolonged activation of the stress response where relevant, should be taken into account as something that needs to be addressed alongside the more obvious Type II changes such as diet and exercise. The leading edge of scientific research is compounding reasons why it is at least as important as those lifestyle changes to reverse the symptoms and the positive effects reach well beyond the current diagnosis.

From the inspirational opening post the following stood out for me :

"For whatever reason I rarely say no, and work is a priority, so the work/life balance is never something I've completely come to grips with."

There's a Canadian GP called Gabor Mate who wrote a book called "When the body says no" that speaks to some of the concerns that statement raised for me. Anyone interested in a path of discovery related to stress, might take a look at a youtube talk given by Gabor on the subject matter of the book.

That’s a very good point with stress. I unwound my life style over 3-4 years of my recovery and there’s no way I could contemplate a return to the 6:05 train.

https://www.ncl.ac.uk/research/impact/c ... /diabetes/


Worth a read.

Another well known boredie here in NZ was also diagnosed and was fast losing his sight. He is a shell of his former self now but back working, watching rugby etc and a lot better for his weight loss.

I have been putting weight on and blaming my buggered back when in reality, I was constantly grazing crap food as I work from home. Having heard his story I wondered how far away I was from the same issues. So...

Got rid of the crap food, exercise the small amount I can and already down 9kgs and feeling so much better for it.

Crap food tastes so good.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:42 pm Another well known boredie here in NZ was also diagnosed and was fast losing his sight. He is a shell of his former self now but back working, watching rugby etc and a lot better for his weight loss.

I have been putting weight on and blaming my buggered back when in reality, I was constantly grazing crap food as I work from home. Having heard his story I wondered how far away I was from the same issues. So...

Got rid of the crap food, exercise the small amount I can and already down 9kgs and feeling so much better for it.

Top effort, mate!

More exercise and a better diet are definitely on my NY resolution list. It'll be 10 years since I quit the durries, so I'll try to use that as motivation.

I work 12 hour shifts that work out to be close enough to a 15 hour day taking account of pre and post work essentials. Starts with a week of nightshift followed by a week on days before a week off. I’m knackered all the time. I’ve gained a few kgs this year that won’t come off...

I’m a candidate, right. I’ve got to find a way to fit exercise into that regime and try to get over the hump and into a better mindset. Reading this thread has booted my arse a bit in that direction, at least.

How much do you weigh now?

135kg is a lot of timber to carry around!

Good luck.

Not directly on topic but I feel it fits here as well as anywhere; I had what turned out to have been a minor stroke about 3 months back. Took a header from the top of the stairs OUCH!!

The big thing and what snuck up on me was my Blood Pressure was seriously high. My heart rate was always good so I'd thought I was OK.

Huge wake up call, I've not noticeably reduced how much I eat but changed it a lot, also got one of those fitness watch things and upped my exercise quite a bit and got a decent set of bathroom scales. Although the meds are working it seemed stupid to expect just a pill or two to sort me out. Since I sat down about three weeks ago and worked the diet/exercise things out and bought the scales I've lost over 3 kg, my cholesterol is acceptable (and falling) and my BP is almost down to within limits (and falling). I'm also starting to feel a lot better.

On the diet front I've found it a lot easier than I expected, in fact I reckon my appetite has reduced without feeling like I'm depriving myself.

Long way to go as I plan to lose at least another 10Kg down to around 74kg over the next year hoping I can do it a bit quicker but without pushing it. To this end I've just ordered another health watch thing that monitors Blood pressure as well as pulse, steps and all the other stuff.

What I did find shocking was during my final call from the Stroke Nurse was that some people simply refuse to change their behaviour and habits.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:49 pm That’s a very good point with stress. I unwound my life style over 3-4 years of my recovery and there’s no way I could contemplate a return to the 6:05 train.

Just need to stop being a total cunt now. Good luck.

Right now I'm 125kg, so dropped 10kg over the last 6 weeks or so since diagnosis. I'm 6'0 tall or 183cm.

I had lead a pretty active lifestyle up until 31-ish. Growing up trail bike riding through summer and snowboarding all winter. So the combination of the two did a pretty good job of keeping me fit. Once children came about I didn't get to just bail and spend all my free time doing my own thing. I wasn't really into other sports so it was downhill after that.

I probably didn't blow up until around 40 where I sat at 117kg for some years, and another 20kg has come on over the last two years.

My comfortable weight was around 90kg. I was fit and strong and could go all day there at 87-90kg so that's the goal, which represents a weight loss of roughly 45kg. That's quite a lot of weight but other people have done it.

As far as work balance changes, I'm transitioning, or planning to, switch from screen printing which has been my trade/craft since leaving school into light landscaping, lawnmowing. The idea being just to getting out of the factory into the sunshine or elements and get a bit of physical exercise without routine, probably not a particularly high bar as a career move but it's something I can do and should have the effect of restimulating my mind in focusing on something new, and give me some everyday conventional exercise.

I can't stress how difficult it is at the onset of this. It's easy to think "well go hit the gym you fat cunt" but the body is fighting the energy to do that away. So a bit of a conundrum to fit through, achievable though, just not as easy as youd like it to be.

Intermittent fasting and keto vegetarian is the way to go for insulin regulation. I'm vegetarian now and used to do keto but have stopped because I'm at an ok weight now, it's a life changer imo

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:22 am Right now I'm 125kg, so dropped 10kg over the last 6 weeks or so since diagnosis. I'm 6'0 tall or 183cm.

I had lead a pretty active lifestyle up until 31-ish. Growing up trail bike riding through summer and snowboarding all winter. So the combination of the two did a pretty good job of keeping me fit. Once children came about I didn't get to just bail and spend all my free time doing my own thing. I wasn't really into other sports so it was downhill after that.

I probably didn't blow up until around 40 where I sat at 117kg for some years, and another 20kg has come on over the last two years.

My comfortable weight was around 90kg. I was fit and strong and could go all day there at 87-90kg so that's the goal, which represents a weight loss of roughly 45kg. That's quite a lot of weight but other people have done it.

As far as work balance changes, I'm transitioning, or planning to, switch from screen printing which has been my trade/craft since leaving school into light landscaping, lawnmowing. The idea being just to getting out of the factory into the sunshine or elements and get a bit of physical exercise without routine, probably not a particularly high bar as a career move but it's something I can do and should have the effect of restimulating my mind in focusing on something new, and give me some everyday conventional exercise.

I can't stress how difficult it is at the onset of this. It's easy to think "well go hit the gym you fat cunt" but the body is fighting the energy to do that away. So a bit of a conundrum to fit through, achievable though, just not as easy as youd like it to be.

My physio has me on 10% increase in physical activity every day. Mine is mainly Exercycle, walking and pilates so easy to track what I am doing every day.

It started off with 5 minutes on the bike and a 5 minute walk and I am now up to 35 minutes of each. Pilates is my way of avoiding any pain relief as I have buggered my L2/3 disc (the next two down have been removed and fused).

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:36 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:49 pm That’s a very good point with stress. I unwound my life style over 3-4 years of my recovery and there’s no way I could contemplate a return to the 6:05 train.

Just need to stop being a total cunt now. Good luck.

From toga....

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:22 am Right now I'm 125kg, so dropped 10kg over the last 6 weeks or so since diagnosis. I'm 6'0 tall or 183cm.

I had lead a pretty active lifestyle up until 31-ish. Growing up trail bike riding through summer and snowboarding all winter. So the combination of the two did a pretty good job of keeping me fit. Once children came about I didn't get to just bail and spend all my free time doing my own thing. I wasn't really into other sports so it was downhill after that.

I probably didn't blow up until around 40 where I sat at 117kg for some years, and another 20kg has come on over the last two years.

My comfortable weight was around 90kg. I was fit and strong and could go all day there at 87-90kg so that's the goal, which represents a weight loss of roughly 45kg. That's quite a lot of weight but other people have done it.

As far as work balance changes, I'm transitioning, or planning to, switch from screen printing which has been my trade/craft since leaving school into light landscaping, lawnmowing. The idea being just to getting out of the factory into the sunshine or elements and get a bit of physical exercise without routine, probably not a particularly high bar as a career move but it's something I can do and should have the effect of restimulating my mind in focusing on something new, and give me some everyday conventional exercise.

I can't stress how difficult it is at the onset of this. It's easy to think "well go hit the gym you fat cunt" but the body is fighting the energy to do that away. So a bit of a conundrum to fit through, achievable though, just not as easy as youd like it to be.

That’s close to the 10% already. Report back it’s ganna no ok.

I think it’s a myth that you need to join a gym to lose weight. Get out for a walk for thirty minutes. Or do some squats or whatever your body can manage at home for twenty minutes.

For some people at least, I reckon, paying for a gym membership can backfire.

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:06 am I think it’s a myth that you need to join a gym to lose weight. Get out for a walk for thirty minutes. Or do some squats or whatever your body can manage at home for twenty minutes.

For some people at least, I reckon, paying for a gym membership can backfire.

You're right, and I'm not the type for routine which is why I've never maintained gym routine. I'm motivated now though, and the Mrs goes too, so..

I used to like walking the tracks around Waitakere here, I'm practically on the edge out the back of Glen Eden / Oratia. A heap of them have been closed for years though due Kauri dieback disease.

I can just zone out watching sport on the tele at the gym. Its $7 a week and just down the road. It's just easy.

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:34 am

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:06 am I think it’s a myth that you need to join a gym to lose weight. Get out for a walk for thirty minutes. Or do some squats or whatever your body can manage at home for twenty minutes.

For some people at least, I reckon, paying for a gym membership can backfire.

You're right, and I'm not the type for routine which is why I've never maintained gym routine. I'm motivated now though, and the Mrs goes too, so..

I used to like walking the tracks around Waitakere here, I'm practically on the edge out the back of Glen Eden / Oratia. A heap of them have been closed for years though due Kauri dieback disease.

I can just zone out watching sport on the tele at the gym. Its $7 a week and just down the road. It's just easy.

I’d join that gym, if possible set yourself a target on going (the hardest bit about gym is actually walking through the door) , also your young enough to build some muscle back which will be good for any insulin resistance issues.


When I started I walked for 10 minutes, cross trainer for 10-20 minutes and went home, but I tried to do that at least every other day (I was quite unfit ). Then added in after a few months light resistance work again very simple 4 exercises 30 reps top of each. ... the big issue was making it he habit.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 am

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:34 am

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:06 am I think it’s a myth that you need to join a gym to lose weight. Get out for a walk for thirty minutes. Or do some squats or whatever your body can manage at home for twenty minutes.

For some people at least, I reckon, paying for a gym membership can backfire.

You're right, and I'm not the type for routine which is why I've never maintained gym routine. I'm motivated now though, and the Mrs goes too, so..

I used to like walking the tracks around Waitakere here, I'm practically on the edge out the back of Glen Eden / Oratia. A heap of them have been closed for years though due Kauri dieback disease.

I can just zone out watching sport on the tele at the gym. Its $7 a week and just down the road. It's just easy.

I’d join that gym, if possible set yourself a target on going (the hardest bit about gym is actually walking through the door) , also your young enough to build some muscle back which will be good for any insulin resistance issues.

When I started I walked for 10 minutes, cross trainer for 10-20 minutes and went home, but I tried to do that at least every other day (I was quite unfit ). Then added in after a few months light resistance work again very simple 4 exercises 30 reps top of each. ... the big issue was making it he habit.

Agreed. Can you buddy up with someone, even if you dont do the same circuit in the gym, arranging a meeting and having a coffee (black, no sugar) afterwards can provide the motivation to go, you dont want to let your mate down! Alternatively get a PT in the gym and ask them to set you up a circuit and have a session every couple of weeks with targets set. I hate missing targets. Find out what works and set it up. Gyms also provide a good social network and you will find regulars to chat to and who will provide help, motivation and support. Nothing better than someone complimenting you on your weight loss or asking how things are going.

Yeah I did join that gym, been going for a month or so 3 days a week, will embark on 5 days a week from Monday as I feel I'm up to it now.

Other than that it's been hooking into the English Ivy that's consumed the backyard, and my motorcycle, and all the guttering, and growing up under the tin roof into the wash house... That stuff is a fucking nightmare and providing a decent fight.

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:22 am Right now I'm 125kg, so dropped 10kg over the last 6 weeks or so since diagnosis. I'm 6'0 tall or 183cm.

I had lead a pretty active lifestyle up until 31-ish. Growing up trail bike riding through summer and snowboarding all winter. So the combination of the two did a pretty good job of keeping me fit. Once children came about I didn't get to just bail and spend all my free time doing my own thing. I wasn't really into other sports so it was downhill after that.

I probably didn't blow up until around 40 where I sat at 117kg for some years, and another 20kg has come on over the last two years.

My comfortable weight was around 90kg. I was fit and strong and could go all day there at 87-90kg so that's the goal, which represents a weight loss of roughly 45kg. That's quite a lot of weight but other people have done it.

As far as work balance changes, I'm transitioning, or planning to, switch from screen printing which has been my trade/craft since leaving school into light landscaping, lawnmowing. The idea being just to getting out of the factory into the sunshine or elements and get a bit of physical exercise without routine, probably not a particularly high bar as a career move but it's something I can do and should have the effect of restimulating my mind in focusing on something new, and give me some everyday conventional exercise.

I can't stress how difficult it is at the onset of this. It's easy to think "well go hit the gym you fat cunt" but the body is fighting the energy to do that away. So a bit of a conundrum to fit through, achievable though, just not as easy as youd like it to be.

Keep up the great work. I started running again in October and cut bread out plus all things sweet and savoury at the same time. No idea why then, just decided to do it. I'm up to 8 miles now of mostly running (probably walk about a half-mile intermittently over the 8 mile total) at least 5 times a week. I've lost 11kgs in weight so far and want to lose another 10-15kgs which will get me back to about 75-80kgs which was my old playing weight! I feel much better already, more energy and despite eating much less I don't feel hungry. I want to get back in the gym to lift weights again but a shoulder impingement injury just won't clear up so I'm waiting for a cortisone injection which I can't get while C-19 is still around. Good luck.

Late to the party on this one but I've been following a menu plan since around June and lost over 20kg. It includes fasting and not a lot of meat but apart from the first week I have neverr felt hungry.
My enery is way better and I'm back running. It's a friend of mine that started it and she does charge but it's well worth it. Not sure about the rules on advertising but her site is nutritiontechno.net if anyone is interested. She's tough when you don't follow it though

If running works for you, of course you should go for it. There's a lot to be said just for walking at a brisk pace for half an hour or so a few times a week, especially if you've got joint pain, etc., or are carrying a lot of weight.

In my head weight loss is 80% diet and 20% gym but gym determines the shape you will be when you lose all the weight. As Bimbo says the Newcastle Uni research is spot on and well worth a read. They have proven that Type 2 for many is reversible through diet but it can be tough .. but worth it.

6 months or so in, whatever I've been doing has seen my blood sugar drop from the high of 142, all the way down to a count of 51 at last blood test a week or so ago.

So pretty pleased with where that's all heading.

Managed to tear a hole in the tendon around my elbow/forearm that wolloped my gym activities for a couple months through January, February lifting a bullshit lightweight outdoor wooden chair out the back of my van. I've had this injury before and its a bit of a bastard.

I'm down another 10kg walking it off though.

Eyesight fully restored, no tingling pins/needles in the fingers anymore. Still seem to tire with physical activity but managing full days of work. Doing some contracting at a mates place in Auckland city, so I do get to hide a little bit and skive off early if I want.

So, pretty good news.