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I see New Zealand has secured enough vaccine for over 4 million people. What is their population number again?
Australia has secured over 134 million doses.

South Africa has secured enough to vaccinate 3 percent of our population. In what fucked up kind of world is this acceptable?

According to Statistics NZ, New Zealand's resident population provisionally reached 5 million in March 2020 so if we’ve got enough for over four million, that’s probably about right.

Why has South Africa secured such a small amount (relatively)?

Jb1981 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:52 am According to Statistics NZ, New Zealand's resident population provisionally reached 5 million in March 2020 so if we’ve got enough for over four million, that’s probably about right.

Why has South Africa secured such a small amount (relatively)?

Because 15 percent of the world's population are hoarding?

The new agreements give access to 7.6 million doses from AstraZeneca, enough for 3.8 million people, and 10.72 million doses from Novavax, enough for 5.36 million people. According to...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... on-program

So NZ now has vaccine for 8 million.

Did you read the article that you linked there? If so, perhaps you missed this paragraph:

Ardern said the strategy has been to purchase different types of technology so that if some are found not to be as successful there are alternatives available. All vaccine roll out will be dependent on sign off from regulator Medsafe and the speed of manufacture.

So not "hoarding" but covering their bases in case one of the vaccines proves to be less successful.

Why hasn't the SA govt. secured a vaccine supply?

This is a strange thread. South Africa is a much bigger economy and has much more money than New Zealand. Surely they can secure as many vaccine doses as they want?

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:47 am This is a strange thread. South Africa is a much bigger economy and has much more money than New Zealand. Surely they can secure as many vaccine doses as they want?

It would seem that countries like Australia and New Zealand have leveraged their "special relationship" with the USA to get a favourable position in the queue. Perhaps its a reward for being loyal allies in the many wars in oil rich countries around the world. I note with interest that besides Libya the "Coalition of the willing" don't seem to interested in helping Africa with its Islamic terrorism problem. Surely you could send some of your elite SAS peacekeepers to come and "practice" on the poor Africans like they did the Afghans. Plenty of africans with prosthetic legs, so good source of memorabilia and drinking vessels.

If this carries on, I'll let Zapp out of the basement.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:58 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:47 am This is a strange thread. South Africa is a much bigger economy and has much more money than New Zealand. Surely they can secure as many vaccine doses as they want?

It would seem that countries like Australia and New Zealand have leveraged their "special relationship" with the USA to get a favourable position in the queue. Perhaps its a reward for being loyal allies in the many wars in oil rich countries around the world. I note with interest that besides Libya the "Coalition of the willing" don't seem to interested in helping Africa with its Islamic terrorism problem. Surely you could send some of your elite SAS peacekeepers to come and "practice" on the poor Africans like they did the Afghans. Plenty of africans with prosthetic legs, so good source of memorabilia and drinking vessels.

20 posts and already starting shit-fight threads. I think I'll put you on ignore.

This thread won’t end well.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:01 am

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:58 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:47 am This is a strange thread. South Africa is a much bigger economy and has much more money than New Zealand. Surely they can secure as many vaccine doses as they want?

It would seem that countries like Australia and New Zealand have leveraged their "special relationship" with the USA to get a favourable position in the queue. Perhaps its a reward for being loyal allies in the many wars in oil rich countries around the world. I note with interest that besides Libya the "Coalition of the willing" don't seem to interested in helping Africa with its Islamic terrorism problem. Surely you could send some of your elite SAS peacekeepers to come and "practice" on the poor Africans like they did the Afghans. Plenty of africans with prosthetic legs, so good source of memorabilia and drinking vessels.

20 posts and already starting shit-fight threads. I think I'll put you on ignore.

Inconvenient truth? Typical response from the privileged developed countries to ignore the problem. Refugees, boat people. Why don't we build some prisons on an island and keep them there. Out of sight, out of mind.

Hats off to Helen for her foresight in being an enthusiastic member of the coalition of the willing.

Calm down Falsebay. Don’t blow your whole load before lunch.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:02 am This thread won’t end well.

It hasn’t started well either.

It seems countries like Brazil and South Africa make great places for Big Pharma to run their tests and experiments. Pity they don't reward that.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:29 am It seems countries like Brazil and South Africa make great places for Big Pharma to run their tests and experiments. Pity they don't reward that.

I'm sure they did. I'm sure that a deal was formed. Someone no doubt earned well from it.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:58 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:47 am This is a strange thread. South Africa is a much bigger economy and has much more money than New Zealand. Surely they can secure as many vaccine doses as they want?

It would seem that countries like Australia and New Zealand have leveraged their "special relationship" with the USA to get a favourable position in the queue. Perhaps its a reward for being loyal allies in the many wars in oil rich countries around the world. I note with interest that besides Libya the "Coalition of the willing" don't seem to interested in helping Africa with its Islamic terrorism problem. Surely you could send some of your elite SAS peacekeepers to come and "practice" on the poor Africans like they did the Afghans. Plenty of africans with prosthetic legs, so good source of memorabilia and drinking vessels.

If this carries on, I'll let Zapp out of the basement.

Leverage their position with the US to secure vaccine from Astra Zeneca, a Swedish-British company whose vaccine was developed by a British University. Right.

I see nobody is addressing the inequity of 15 percent of the world's population hoarding 51 percent of the vaccine. It apparently is a bannable offence to talk about things like this. Also don't talk about Aussie SAS adventures or refugee islands. These things just like Chinese re-education camps for muslims simply don't exist.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:54 am I see nobody is addressing the inequity of 15 percent of the world's population hoarding 51 percent of the vaccine. It apparently is a bannable offence to talk about things like this. Also don't talk about Aussie SAS adventures or refugee islands. These things just like Chinese re-education camps for muslims simply don't exist.

Are you trying to say that serially incompetent governments like South Africa and Brazil were awake enough to get their orders in early?

We're part of Covax, nothing to do with ordering early. We get allocated a share after the rich white countries have secured theirs.

Which moniker did this 'new' lunatic post under previously? One of the benefits of NPR is that we don't really get brand new posters, everyone is a reincarnation of someone else. So who is the troll?

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:42 am

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:58 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:47 am This is a strange thread. South Africa is a much bigger economy and has much more money than New Zealand. Surely they can secure as many vaccine doses as they want?

It would seem that countries like Australia and New Zealand have leveraged their "special relationship" with the USA to get a favourable position in the queue. Perhaps its a reward for being loyal allies in the many wars in oil rich countries around the world. I note with interest that besides Libya the "Coalition of the willing" don't seem to interested in helping Africa with its Islamic terrorism problem. Surely you could send some of your elite SAS peacekeepers to come and "practice" on the poor Africans like they did the Afghans. Plenty of africans with prosthetic legs, so good source of memorabilia and drinking vessels.

If this carries on, I'll let Zapp out of the basement.

Leverage their position with the US to secure vaccine from Astra Zeneca, a Swedish-British company whose vaccine was developed by a British University. Right.

This vaccine was tested on South African volunteers. I got a text after my covid test inviting me to volunteer for the trial. There was no remuneration offered.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:47 am https://www.businessinsider.co.za/trend ... es-2020-12

I see New Zealand has secured enough vaccine for over 4 million people. What is their population number again?
Australia has secured over 134 million doses.

South Africa has secured enough to vaccinate 3 percent of our population. In what fucked up kind of world is this acceptable?

10,000 children die every day from starvation. The haves really don't care about the have nots.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:02 am Which moniker did this 'new' lunatic post under previously? One of the benefits of NPR is that we don't really get brand new posters, everyone is a reincarnation of someone else. So who is the troll?

Any white/Westerner hating South African been banned recently on PR?

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:02 am Which moniker did this 'new' lunatic post under previously? One of the benefits of NPR is that we don't really get brand new posters, everyone is a reincarnation of someone else. So who is the troll?

Not a lunatic. Just absolutely furious that my elderly vulnerable parents will be denied the vaccine while it seems certain countries will be hoarding surpluses way in excess of their requirements. And also why would Aus and NZ be in line ahead of say South Africa?

It's the Oxford vaccine that will allow access for poorer countries, as it's a lot cheaper than the mrna ones.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:10 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:02 am Which moniker did this 'new' lunatic post under previously? One of the benefits of NPR is that we don't really get brand new posters, everyone is a reincarnation of someone else. So who is the troll?

Not a lunatic. Just absolutely furious that my elderly vulnerable parents will be denied the vaccine while it seems certain countries will be hoarding surpluses way in excess of their requirements. And also why would Aus and NZ be in line ahead of say South Africa?

I have no idea, boet. This is your troll thread, you can do your own research. It's obviously got nothing to do with money given South Africa's economy is much bigger than NZ's.

Its not a troll thread AC and I can understand how exposure to some of these realities may be so disturbing to you that you'd rather pretend they didn't exist.

Still no comment about the hoarding. Just gaslighting me as a lunatic or troll.

It's Bimbot's MO - continually shifting the goalposts rather than responding to the posts pointing out the massive holes in his argument.

Is he role-playing as a Saffer now?

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:02 am Which moniker did this 'new' lunatic post under previously? One of the benefits of NPR is that we don't really get brand new posters, everyone is a reincarnation of someone else.

Damn, I’m here under false pretences then.

No holes in my argument. I have money to pay for a vaccine for my family. Seems that certain countries will get more than they need. Why is that?

GogLais wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:26 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:02 am Which moniker did this 'new' lunatic post under previously? One of the benefits of NPR is that we don't really get brand new posters, everyone is a reincarnation of someone else.

Damn, I’m here under false pretences then.

How did you find this forum? If you google search 'Rugby chat forum' it takes a fair bit of searching to stumble across NPR.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:27 am No holes in my argument. I have money to pay for a vaccine for my family. Seems that certain countries will get more than they need. Why is that?

Hi. It’s mainly because your country has been getting asked for months to come up with a coherent storage, distribution and implementation strategy and have failed to come back with a single plan. Ministers have not engaged with any of the potential suppliers and there are strong suggestions that those that have made contact have been asking for bribes - at least 2 of the manufacturers have offered the vaccine at far below market rate and still haven’t had a serious reply.

Rwanda, for example, has put money aside to buy vaccine and is quite far down the road in terms of setting up a credible strategy for distribution and is getting vaccine.

Africa gets treated like shit, but maybe look a little closer to home on this one

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:33 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:26 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:02 am Which moniker did this 'new' lunatic post under previously? One of the benefits of NPR is that we don't really get brand new posters, everyone is a reincarnation of someone else.

Damn, I’m here under false pretences then.

How did you find this forum? If you google search 'Rugby chat forum' it takes a fair bit of searching to stumble across NPR.

So still no response to the thread topic. Hope you and your family enjoy access to the vaccine glut.

Chrysoprase wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:21 am It's Bimbot's MO - continually shifting the goalposts rather than responding to the posts pointing out the massive holes in his argument.

Is he role-playing as a Saffer now?

Falsebay is a Saffer living in CT. He’s not a multi or a troll. This is a very unusual thread for him.

I don’t agree with everything on this thread, but I DO think that NZ getting any amount of vaccine before countries more deserving is nonsense!

They don’t need the vaccine. They have Covid under control and they are all fine. Back of the queue, Kiwis.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:04 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:42 am

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:58 am

It would seem that countries like Australia and New Zealand have leveraged their "special relationship" with the USA to get a favourable position in the queue. Perhaps its a reward for being loyal allies in the many wars in oil rich countries around the world. I note with interest that besides Libya the "Coalition of the willing" don't seem to interested in helping Africa with its Islamic terrorism problem. Surely you could send some of your elite SAS peacekeepers to come and "practice" on the poor Africans like they did the Afghans. Plenty of africans with prosthetic legs, so good source of memorabilia and drinking vessels.

If this carries on, I'll let Zapp out of the basement.

Leverage their position with the US to secure vaccine from Astra Zeneca, a Swedish-British company whose vaccine was developed by a British University. Right.

This vaccine was tested on South African volunteers. I got a text after my covid test inviting me to volunteer for the trial. There was no remuneration offered.

Vaccine trials don’t have remuneration, that’s standard. And you have to test it where there’s a significant prevalence of the virus. So SA, Brazil, USA.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:47 am I don’t agree with everything on this thread, but I DO think that NZ getting any amount of vaccine before countries more deserving is nonsense!

They don’t need the vaccine. They have Covid under control and they are all fine. Back of the queue, Kiwis.

There might be some truth in that but at the same time why is anyone going to provide it to a government that is so incompetent and corrupt that it will end up in the back of a warehouse somewhere doing nothing when others will use it?

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:52 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:47 am I don’t agree with everything on this thread, but I DO think that NZ getting any amount of vaccine before countries more deserving is nonsense!

They don’t need the vaccine. They have Covid under control and they are all fine. Back of the queue, Kiwis.

There might be some truth in that but at the same time why is anyone going to provide it to a government that is so incompetent and corrupt that it will end up in the back of a warehouse somewhere doing nothing when others will use it?

Hang on. SA were probably the first country outside Asia to get a proper testing process into the field way back in May. Medicine in SA is still very good, despite Govt corruption and incompetence.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:54 am

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:52 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:47 am I don’t agree with everything on this thread, but I DO think that NZ getting any amount of vaccine before countries more deserving is nonsense!

They don’t need the vaccine. They have Covid under control and they are all fine. Back of the queue, Kiwis.

There might be some truth in that but at the same time why is anyone going to provide it to a government that is so incompetent and corrupt that it will end up in the back of a warehouse somewhere doing nothing when others will use it?

Hang on. SA were probably the first country outside Asia to get a proper testing process into the field way back in May. Medicine in SA is still very good, despite Govt corruption and incompetence.

No argument about SA’s history in medicine, but they have been utterly shite in planning for the vaccination process