So, coronavirus...

[Saint]

I'm guessing that the decision to do non paid carers after the 50's has slowed things up. I know from a few friends that got jabbed as a non paid carer, and my own experience, that a few of the jabbing centres were virtually empty in the last week or so.

So if the vaccination centres are empty, then the SG's system doesn't seem to be working too well (unless there's a shortage of vaccine, which I'm not hearing about).

And it's frustrating that no-one seems to be challenging the SG on this - which is the usual state of affairs up here (straying towards the Scottish politics thread here, sorry).

Considering UK vaccination rates are averaging over 500k a day, and slowly increasing, I can't imagine it's due to shortage at the moment.

The data shows that the Scottish rate is growing steadily and is pretty consistent to teh rest of the UK, so it;s just how things are going. There is still far more capacity to deliver than supply though

[Dogbert]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

[Tattie]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Because some people love sticking the boot in to the SG despite facts. The figures point to second doses being seen as the priority at the moment.

[Lisbon Nick]

My wife spends a lot of time in Angola on business and has just received today in Luanda her first AZ vaccine. She is 57 but as life expectancy is only around 60 there are no great age bands in place. Over 60 is the first band and she was invited to join that group on arrival at the vaccination centre. In and out in under an hour including a rest after the jab.

Meanwhile I will have to wait at least another month in developed western Europe.

[Ovals]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Because some people love sticking the boot in to the SG despite facts. The figures point to second doses being seen as the priority at the moment.

Wales are ahead, of the rest of us, on both 1st and 2nd doses. Scotland have slipped recently and have the lowest 1st dose % - albeit there's not much in it across the nations..

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

[Dogbert]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Because some people love sticking the boot in to the SG despite facts. The figures point to second doses being seen as the priority at the moment.

Its interesting that in multiple radio interviews in the past week , both the conservatives . Labour and Lib Dims have stated that the Scottish rollout of the vaccine is lagging behind the UK - It's never been challenged by the multiple interviewers - no wonder people believe that's the case

Amway , that's my last comment here , it's a discussion that probably belongs in the Scottish Politics Thread

[S/Lt_Phillips]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Sauce?

I can't find that data on a consistent basis (some show % of total population, some as % of adult population, which in Scotland is >16, not >18 etc).

Maybe (if your statement is true) the SG is pushing on with 2nd doses and so lagging on 1st doses? What are the comparative %ages for 1st doses between countries?

Clearly there's some maths to be done to ensure you have enough vaccine and capacity to deliver to get 2nd doses within the 12 weeks, but there's also strong evidence that 1 dose gives you a strong immunity and suppresses spread of the virus among the community. So there's a balance between the approaches. In the UK as a whole there are far now more 2nd doses being administered than 1st doses, but is is more skewed in Scotland (yesterday 89% 2nd doses in Scotland, but for the whole UK it was 77% 2nd doses).

I'm not necessarily saying the SG is doing a crap job with the vaccine rollout, but the headlines showing that 1st doses are being rolled out to younger people in the rest of the UK is borne out by the balance of 1st & 2nd doses, and the difference in Scotland is something that is not being challenged or explained by the SG.

[S/Lt_Phillips]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Because some people love sticking the boot in to the SG despite facts. The figures point to second doses being seen as the priority at the moment.

Not sticking the boot in, just asking the question. Is there a difference in approach, and if so, why?

[Tattie]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Because some people love sticking the boot in to the SG despite facts. The figures point to second doses being seen as the priority at the moment.

Not sticking the boot in, just asking the question. Is there a difference in approach, and if so, why?

No idea but at a guess it’s possibly thought that fully vaccinating the most vulnerable age groups ASAP is seen as a sensible approach. Bear in mind also that those who have received their first dose will need the second, with the same vaccine, within 12 weeks of the first. Imagine the stooshie if the dates for second doses with the same vaccine weren’t met?

[Slick]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Because some people love sticking the boot in to the SG despite facts. The figures point to second doses being seen as the priority at the moment.

Christ Tattie, 3 or 4 posts up a possible explanation was given in a calm manner

[BnM]

Why didn't Scotland use the text booking system? Works brilliantly.

[Tattie]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Because some people love sticking the boot in to the SG despite facts. The figures point to second doses being seen as the priority at the moment.

Christ Tattie, 3 or 4 posts up a possible explanation was given in a calm manner

Slick, as dogbert stated, the opposition parties are pushing, unchallenged, that the SG is lagging behind with vaccinations when that is clearly not the case.

Even though slightly frustrating for the younger generations, I think it’s a pragmatic approach at the moment. Could you imagine the scandal (yes especially leading up to an election) if second doses with the same vaccine were being missed.

[tc27]

I am no fan of the current SG but the differences between the different parts of the UK are not really substantial enough to hang much of a political point on IMO - overall the one part of this pandemic the UKG have knocked out of the park (long term vaccine procurement decisions taken last summer) and the fact the third wave has subsided means a few days/weeks difference between very low risk age groups is not a contentious issue.

[Dogbert]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Sauce?

I can't find that data on a consistent basis (some show % of total population, some as % of adult population, which in Scotland is >16, not >18 etc).

Maybe (if your statement is true) the SG is pushing on with 2nd doses and so lagging on 1st doses? What are the comparative %ages for 1st doses between countries?

Clearly there's some maths to be done to ensure you have enough vaccine and capacity to deliver to get 2nd doses within the 12 weeks, but there's also strong evidence that 1 dose gives you a strong immunity and suppresses spread of the virus among the community. So there's a balance between the approaches. In the UK as a whole there are far now more 2nd doses being administered than 1st doses, but is is more skewed in Scotland (yesterday 89% 2nd doses in Scotland, but for the whole UK it was 77% 2nd doses).

I'm not necessarily saying the SG is doing a crap job with the vaccine rollout, but the headlines showing that 1st doses are being rolled out to younger people in the rest of the UK is borne out by the balance of 1st & 2nd doses, and the difference in Scotland is something that is not being challenged or explained by the SG.

If your looking for data https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotlan ... s-tracker/ is probably the best site - for both Scotland , and UK data in a single place - all sources are listed , and if you have any queries John created the site is more than happy to respond to any queries - if you do use it and find it useful - buy him a coffee

Personally I think there is a barely a fag paper between the performance of all the UK countries, and they will all have their own specific issues / land mass / pop density / transport links etc - all all the different approaches are working for all the counties

[FalseBayFC]

My wife spends a lot of time in Angola on business and has just received today in Luanda her first AZ vaccine. She is 57 but as life expectancy is only around 60 there are no great age bands in place. Over 60 is the first band and she was invited to join that group on arrival at the vaccination centre. In and out in under an hour including a rest after the jab.

Meanwhile I will have to wait at least another month in developed western Europe.

Oh please! This is the same country where a kleptocratic gang have stolen hundreds of billions of dollars and laundered it through crime havens like London
Do you really think that the Angolans are vaccinating their citizens?

[Biffer]

Feeling somewhat left behind in Scotland now. I'm 48 and not had a blue envelope yet, while England & Wales are forging ahead with anyone over 40 and NI is jagging people in their 30s. Not sure what the hold up is.

The SG is claiming that sending invitations by post is better than individuals being able to book their own appointment, but I have to say I would be much happier if I had the ability to set a date in the diary (even if its a fortnight hence and turns out to be no sooner than the date in the fabled blue envelope). Ho hum.

I'm guessing that the decision to do non paid carers after the 50's has slowed things up. I know from a few friends that got jabbed as a non paid carer, and my own experience, that a few of the jabbing centres were virtually empty in the last week or so.

So if the vaccination centres are empty, then the SG's system doesn't seem to be working too well (unless there's a shortage of vaccine, which I'm not hearing about).

And it's frustrating that no-one seems to be challenging the SG on this - which is the usual state of affairs up here (straying towards the Scottish politics thread here, sorry).

If you remember, it was just over three months ago that ScotGov was being criticised for being behind, because they'd put more priority on completing care homes and over 80s before moving down the groups. Then they really kicked in and were going at about 60k a day. The folk who got their first vax then have been getting their second one recently, which has meant there's been a pretty low rate of first doses being done. On the basis of the pattern the first doses were done in, that'll change in the next week, with us moving back to about 25-30k first doses being done daily maybe 200k a week. 40% of 40-49 year olds have been don, there's just over 400,000 left. so in the next two to three weeks I'd expect the vast majority of over 40s to be done in Scotland. You can figure this out from the graphs on the Public Health Scotland daily update here

https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs. ... 0/Overview

[BnM]

Feel like shit today. Different symptoms to last time. More painful.

[Slick]

Feel like shit today. Different symptoms to last time. More painful.

Oh dear, hope you feel better soon.

I presume you have tried Lemsip etc?

[S/Lt_Phillips]

So if the Scottish Government are doing so badly on rolling out the vaccine

Why amongst all 4 countries of the UK are they out performing both England and Northern Ireland in both the percentage of population vaccinated in both First & Second Doses ?

Sauce?

I can't find that data on a consistent basis (some show % of total population, some as % of adult population, which in Scotland is >16, not >18 etc).

Maybe (if your statement is true) the SG is pushing on with 2nd doses and so lagging on 1st doses? What are the comparative %ages for 1st doses between countries?

Clearly there's some maths to be done to ensure you have enough vaccine and capacity to deliver to get 2nd doses within the 12 weeks, but there's also strong evidence that 1 dose gives you a strong immunity and suppresses spread of the virus among the community. So there's a balance between the approaches. In the UK as a whole there are far now more 2nd doses being administered than 1st doses, but is is more skewed in Scotland (yesterday 89% 2nd doses in Scotland, but for the whole UK it was 77% 2nd doses).

I'm not necessarily saying the SG is doing a crap job with the vaccine rollout, but the headlines showing that 1st doses are being rolled out to younger people in the rest of the UK is borne out by the balance of 1st & 2nd doses, and the difference in Scotland is something that is not being challenged or explained by the SG.

If your looking for data https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotlan ... s-tracker/ is probably the best site - for both Scotland , and UK data in a single place - all sources are listed , and if you have any queries John created the site is more than happy to respond to any queries - if you do use it and find it useful - buy him a coffee

Personally I think there is a barely a fag paper between the performance of all the UK countries, and they will all have their own specific issues / land mass / pop density / transport links etc - all all the different approaches are working for all the counties

Thanks - I've used that site for Scottish data (coffee duly donated), but didn't realise you could see the UK data too

As you say, there's really not much between each country when looking at %age of total adults (the Welsh are absolutely nailing it though - fair play to them). If England & NI are getting the to the younger age groups first I guess it's a mixture of prioritising 2nd doses, focusing on unpaid carers, and because we have an older population up here?

Either way, as tc27 says, I'm grateful we're lucky enough to be in the position where we can be arguing about small details like this.

[Lisbon Nick]

My wife spends a lot of time in Angola on business and has just received today in Luanda her first AZ vaccine. She is 57 but as life expectancy is only around 60 there are no great age bands in place. Over 60 is the first band and she was invited to join that group on arrival at the vaccination centre. In and out in under an hour including a rest after the jab.

Meanwhile I will have to wait at least another month in developed western Europe.

Oh please! This is the same country where a kleptocratic gang have stolen hundreds of billions of dollars and laundered it through crime havens like London
Do you really think that the Angolans are vaccinating their citizens?

Yes, centre was open to the general public and although my wife has dual Angolan/Portuguese nationality there were no restrictions on non Angolans. In any event the ruling elite had probably already been vaccinated already in private.

Out in the sticks it may well be a different story.

[ohno]

Feel like shit today. Different symptoms to last time. More painful.

Pfizer or AZ?

[BnM]

Feel like shit today. Different symptoms to last time. More painful.

Pfizer or AZ?

AZ, I was more achy overall and foggy first dose. No real fog this time but I couldn't sleep in injection arm side last night, can't raise my arm more than 90deg without it becoming really quite painful. Suggestion for men - don't have it in the arm you use for wanking.

[ohno]

Feel like shit today. Different symptoms to last time. More painful.

Pfizer or AZ?

AZ, I was more achy overall and foggy first dose. No real fog this time but I couldn't sleep in injection arm side last night, can't raise my arm more than 90deg without it becoming really quite painful. Suggestion for men - don't have it in the arm you use for wanking.

Thanks, I had what I can only describe as a bad hangover followed by a mini flu on the day after my first dose of AZ. Hoping the second jab goes better.

[BnM]

The arrivals of large Pfizer deliveries have raised concerns that it will be harder to use up stocks of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. The Anglo-Swedish product suffers not only from an image problem in France but is also banned for those under the age of 55 because of concerns about rare incidents of dangerous blood clotting.

Currently, a quarter of AstraZeneca stocks remain unused in France, a figure that could increase as more Pfizer jabs become available.

On Friday, Health Minister Olivier Véran said he had asked the French health watchdog to examine whether it would be possible to offer the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine to those under 55. Volunteers for the vaccine would be required to sign a release form.

Patrick Vogt, a general practitioner in the city of Mulhouse, said he is desperate for the government to change its recommendations after he was forced to throw away doses of AstraZeneca last week.

“I managed to vaccinate 6 patients in 3 days. The others said they didn’t want to, or wanted to wait for another vaccine,” said Dr. Vogt. “So my vials were going out of date, I had to throw them away.”

After posting a video of himself throwing doses in the bin, Dr. Vogt received dozens of calls from volunteers in their forties who wanted to get a jab — people he is not allowed to vaccinate.

“I’m angry and disheartened,” said Dr. Vogt. “We need to accelerate the pace of the vaccinations as it’s the one thing that protects us from new variants developing.”

About 22 percent of the French population has received at least one vaccine dose, a figure which still lags the likes of Germany, the U.K. and Belgium, according to the POLITICO vaccination tracker.

[Saint]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

[laurent]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

Denmark is not using AZ at all ... in a lot of country the crazy norwegian/danish reaction has fucked it up.

at any rate even with AZ not delivering/being shunned the vacc numbers are on the expected paths. 2 weeks before I get it. (no english muck for me )

PS don't look at the stats to closely (Germany has more 1st shot 26/22 and less 5/9 2nd than France)

[BnM]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

There's low up take but some younger people clearly will take it to be vaccinated earlier, it seems such a shame to waste it. Hopefully this Dr's video will push for change. I wonder if other countries are having the same issue and are wasting doses.

[GogLais]

Had second AZ yesterday. Felt a bit flakey for a couple of days after the first one but OK this time.

[BnM]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

Denmark is not using AZ at all ... in a lot of country the crazy norwegian/danish reaction has fucked it up.

at any rate even with AZ not delivering/being shunned the vacc numbers are on the expected paths. 2 weeks before I get it. (no english muck for me )

PS don't look at the stats to closely (Germany has more 1st shot 26/22 and less 5/9 2nd than France)

Are you doing 3 weeks between jabs?

[Fangle]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

[laurent]

Let's sue AZ so they deliver more vaccines that we can throw in the bin!

Seriously, even if it's just the France, they should be sharing that back into the EU or providing to Covax, It's unconscionable that they're just letting it expire

Denmark is not using AZ at all ... in a lot of country the crazy norwegian/danish reaction has fucked it up.

at any rate even with AZ not delivering/being shunned the vacc numbers are on the expected paths. 2 weeks before I get it. (no english muck for me )

PS don't look at the stats to closely (Germany has more 1st shot 26/22 and less 5/9 2nd than France)

Are you doing 3 weeks between jabs?

Up to now yes they have lengthened it i think.

The French vaccination rate is above the EU average at this stage

[Saint]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

As a % of population vaccinated the USA has moved ahead of the UK

[Stranger]

Had my first dose of AZ in France on Thursday - I am 56 .

[Openside]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

we reached it about 10 days ago apparently

[Sandstorm]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

we reached it about 10 days ago apparently

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

[Openside]

I’m pleased to see the keenness in the UK of getting the vaccine compared to so many Americans. You will probably reach herd immunity before us.

we reached it about 10 days ago apparently

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

[Sandstorm]

we reached it about 10 days ago apparently

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

[Openside]

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

I know twitter is a cess pool but there are plenty of UK nut jobs on that too. I read a thread about this person refusing to take their child in to Hospital for an operation because they wanted to take a swab first, and they would not consent to that... Fucking Hatstand.

[Fangle]

Immunity from death by Covid because you are higher risk. It’s not the same thing as everyone being immune. And Long Covid in younger, unvaccinated people is not nice either.

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

All over there is no need for appointments trying to get people in.

Trump must stand up and push for it, but his feet were cut out from under him because Kamala said, before Christmas, that she wouldn’t trust what he says about the safety of the vaccines. But he should still make a public safety announcement and hopefully get more in.

[Biffer]

I agree I posted about arrhythmia earlier in the thread. I was merely answering Fangles query/statement regarding herd immunity.

Cool. Although I think Fangle is right: millions of loons in USA will mean their vax program will probably stall at 80% complete. UK will finish in the 90s IMO.

All over there is no need for appointments trying to get people in.

Trump must stand up and push for it, but his feet were cut out from under him because Kamala said, before Christmas, that she wouldn’t trust what he says about the safety of the vaccines. But he should still make a public safety announcement and hopefully get more in.

Yeah, but the people who trust Trump wouldn’t trust Harris.