So, coronavirus...

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Yes was mildly surprised given the backlog in London, can only guess it's presumed better to plough ahead without them for now. Hopefully they come sooner than later.

See the anti lockdown/passport & proplaguer lot have had another trundle today.

London has a younger population than most of the UK, combine that with a few vaccine hesitant communities and that mostly accounts for the difference.

Really? That accounts for London being 14% behind the rest of the country?

Pretty much.

Most of the areas with the lowest vaccine takeup rates are in London - the reasons are diverse but 'religious-socio-economic' mostly covers it. That is probably about 10% and the average age in London being 5 years younger than nationally accounts for the rest.

[Slick]

“Vaccine hesitant communities”

“Religious-socio-economic”

Are we not allowed to say Muslim?

[Tichtheid]

“Vaccine hesitant communities”

“Religious-socio-economic”

Are we not allowed to say Muslim?

The people I saw marching though Brighton last week, intimidating people and shouting through loud hailers at bystanders in masks, were not Muslims.

You're going to ask me how I know they were not Muslims, the marchers were 100% white English from what I could see, the demographic looked very similar to the EDL marches I've seen coming through here in recent years, and before that NF.

[shaggy]

“Vaccine hesitant communities”

“Religious-socio-economic”

Are we not allowed to say Muslim?

Eastern European’s are not all Muslim.

[Sandstorm]

“Vaccine hesitant communities”

“Religious-socio-economic”

Are we not allowed to say Muslim?

Eastern European’s are not all Muslim.

Neither are Sikhs

[Biffer]

London has a younger population than most of the UK, combine that with a few vaccine hesitant communities and that mostly accounts for the difference.

Really? That accounts for London being 14% behind the rest of the country?

Pretty much.

Most of the areas with the lowest vaccine takeup rates are in London - the reasons are diverse but 'religious-socio-economic' mostly covers it. That is probably about 10% and the average age in London being 5 years younger than nationally accounts for the rest.

BuT iT’s ThE mUsLiMs InNiT

[Slick]

Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

[Slick]

“Vaccine hesitant communities”

“Religious-socio-economic”

Are we not allowed to say Muslim?

The people I saw marching though Brighton last week, intimidating people and shouting through loud hailers at bystanders in masks, were not Muslims.

You're going to ask me how I know they were not Muslims, the marchers were 100% white English from what I could see, the demographic looked very similar to the EDL marches I've seen coming through here in recent years, and before that NF.

The conversation is about London.

I also saw an anti vax march in Edinburgh where 100% were white. But again, that’s not London

[Happyhooker]

Good on them.

However, 'at cost' in the UK is probably significantly more expensive than it is in India or South Africa.

That's not "making it unaffordable "

It really depends on your definition of 'affordable'.

The minimum wage in South Africa is R21 an hour, which is about a quid.

I'd like to see the average Brit live on that.

The important bit that I questioned in your sentence is "making it".

They are not making it unaffordable. It's unaffordable for other, economic reasons. There are also programs afoot to vaccinate elsewhere where governments are picking up the tab. Your position seems, erm, odd

[TheNatalShark]

Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

But you've commented "Are we not allowed to say Muslim?" The lowest uptake rates are amongst African and Afro-Carribbean people.

You're not dumb, and I'm willing to bet you know damn well that lower uptake rates exist outside of Muslim groups and their demographics within London.

Your comment and subsequent attempt at reasoning is extremely out of place in that context.

[TheNatalShark]

The important bit that I questioned in your sentence is "making it".

They are not making it unaffordable. It's unaffordable for other, economic reasons. There are also programs afoot to vaccinate elsewhere where governments are picking up the tab. Your position seems, erm, odd

Between direct cash contributions, discounts from the manufacturers and above all contribution of excess orders by Western countries I'm confident in saying that African countries will by and large not pay anything towards vaccine procurement this year.

Those countries that are left out of pocket will probably be those that took initiative to order Sinovac/Sinopharm.

[Calculon]

The important bit that I questioned in your sentence is "making it".

They are not making it unaffordable. It's unaffordable for other, economic reasons. There are also programs afoot to vaccinate elsewhere where governments are picking up the tab. Your position seems, erm, odd

Between direct cash contributions, discounts from the manufacturers and above all contribution of excess orders by Western countries I'm confident in saying that African countries will by and large not pay anything towards vaccine procurement this year.

Those countries that are left out of pocket will probably be those that took initiative to order Sinovac/Sinopharm.

Which African countries are going to be left out of pocket because they ordered the Chinese vaccine?

[Rinkals]

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

[Calculon]

The reason south africa has only managed to administer 1.18 dose of vaccine per hundred people in the total population is largely down to its utterly incompetent vaccine rollout strategy. Morocco has managed nearly 40 doses, even zimbabwe has managed 6.57

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

[Lemoentjie]

He's right. It's grotesque. The USA is offering lotteries of $1m to have actual children vaccinated, meanwhile the rest of the world suffers.

Having said that, any excuse will be used to cover for ANC incompetence

[Slick]

Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

But you've commented "Are we not allowed to say Muslim?" The lowest uptake rates are amongst African and Afro-Carribbean people.

You're not dumb, and I'm willing to bet you know damn well that lower uptake rates exist outside of Muslim groups and their demographics within London.

Your comment and subsequent attempt at reasoning is extremely out of place in that context.

Well a significant proportion of those African people are also Muslim and the next 2 significant groups are Pakistani and Bangladeshi, so I don’t think it’s extremely out of place.

It was however a very poor post after a day drinking in the sun with not enough thought behind it

The point I was trying to make is that white people who don’t take the vaccine are all EDL supporting racists who deserve everything they get. But by far the highest proportion of people not taking it are “vaccine hesitant” and we are tip toeing around it, which I don’t think is good for anyone, it’s about actual life of death.

[TheNatalShark]

Which African countries are going to be left out of pocket because they ordered the Chinese vaccine?

Those that ordered and paid for them that won't receive effective reimbursement from donations that are tapered to not include them. Eg some funds and instruments (eg Covax) are restricted to vaccines approved by WHO, and only Sinopharm has been added in May, with Sinovac due.

So if they ordered and paid for out with these funding pools and instruments, like Morocco, they will be out of pocket Vs doses they wait for and get materially for free. Once the vaccines are eligible for the pools and instruments, as Sinopharm is now, they'll likely fall into the same bucket - albeit the Sinopharm and Sinovac jabs are significantly more expensive (where data is available) than the 'western' vaccines, so I won't attribute a comment of 'likely materially free' to them.

[Calculon]

Which African countries are going to be left out of pocket because they ordered the Chinese vaccine?

Those that ordered and paid for them that won't receive effective reimbursement from donations that are tapered to not include them. Eg some funds and instruments (eg Covax) are restricted to vaccines approved by WHO, and only Sinopharm has been added in May, with Sinovac due.

So if they ordered and paid for out with these funding pools and instruments, like Morocco, they will be out of pocket Vs doses they wait for and get materially for free. Once the vaccines are eligible for the pools and instruments, as Sinopharm is now, they'll likely fall into the same bucket - albeit the Sinopharm and Sinovac jabs are significantly more expensive (where data is available) than the 'western' vaccines, so I won't attribute a comment of 'likely materially free' to them.

So Morocco are out of pocket but not south africa that bought the pfizer and J&J?

[TheNatalShark]

So Morocco are out of pocket but not south africa that bought the pfizer and J&J?

By the time South Africa has jabbed most of its pop, assuming done so with J&J, Pfizer and excess from Europe+NA (Novavax/Moderna/CureVac/Valneva/Sanofi&GSK/etc...) then yes I would say Morocco will be out of pocket for non-funded deliveries (given the prevalence in wide rollout already) whilst South Africa will be materially reliant on funded and donated deliveries. SA's 'buying' element will at the end of the day be effectively (re)funded by Western countries. I reasonably expect that to apply to any other African country that hasn't yet procured material amounts outside of the funded resources.

I don't think I can type it any clearer than that. 'Wait' for free stuff, means you get free stuff. Pay for stuff you won't get refunded for and you will have paid for stuff.

[sockwithaticket]

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Nor does it make sense to leave the domestic vaccination job unfinished. It's asbsurd the lengths to which some governments are having to resort to reach the vaccince refusers and skeptics, but it's also apparently necessary to complete their objective, unless they want to resort to apprehending and forcing people to take it.

[Sandstorm]

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Nor does it make sense to leave the domestic vaccination job unfinished. It's asbsurd the lengths to which some governments are having to resort to reach the vaccince refusers and skeptics, but it's also apparently necessary to complete their objective, unless they want to resort to apprehending and forcing people to take it.

Financial penalties are available

[Flockwitt]

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Nor does it make sense to leave the domestic vaccination job unfinished. It's asbsurd the lengths to which some governments are having to resort to reach the vaccince refusers and skeptics, but it's also apparently necessary to complete their objective, unless they want to resort to apprehending and forcing people to take it.

Financial penalties are available

Shirley after a point respective governments can also make social penalties a thing. Passing legislation to allow companies to refuse hire, to allow transport to refuse carriage, to allow sports groups to refuse participation, without vaccination proof? Plenty of ways to put the squeeze on after playing nice first and giving everyone every opportunity.

[Calculon]

So Morocco are out of pocket but not south africa that bought the pfizer and J&J?

By the time South Africa has jabbed most of its pop, assuming done so with J&J, Pfizer and excess from Europe+NA (Novavax/Moderna/CureVac/Valneva/Sanofi&GSK/etc...) then yes I would say Morocco will be out of pocket for non-funded deliveries (given the prevalence in wide rollout already) whilst South Africa will be materially reliant on funded and donated deliveries. SA's 'buying' element will at the end of the day be effectively (re)funded by Western countries. I reasonably expect that to apply to any other African country that hasn't yet procured material amounts outside of the funded resources.

I don't think I can type it any clearer than that. 'Wait' for free stuff, means you get free stuff. Pay for stuff you won't get refunded for and you will have paid for stuff.

Just seems strange how the South african government was making such a big deal about how they couldn't afford the vaccine, how they negotiated lower prices on the vaccine they bought, and how they managed to get their money back when reselling the AZ vaccine - if the money is all going to be refunded anyway. My understanding is also that South africa, as a middle income country, ended up paying COVAX more for the vaccine than they would have if they bought it directly from the manufacturers. At least this was widely reported in the media here.

[Openside]

Not what you said.

Well thats what I meant - Suck it up!!

A vague admission that you were wrong, finally.

Nope just pandering to your fixation.

[Openside]

Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

Of course they do but can't pass up the opportunity to polish their virtue signalling skills.

[Calculon]

Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

But you've commented "Are we not allowed to say Muslim?" The lowest uptake rates are amongst African and Afro-Carribbean people.

You're not dumb, and I'm willing to bet you know damn well that lower uptake rates exist outside of Muslim groups and their demographics within London.

Your comment and subsequent attempt at reasoning is extremely out of place in that context.

Well a significant proportion of those African people are also Muslim and the next 2 significant groups are Pakistani and Bangladeshi, so I don’t think it’s extremely out of place.

It was however a very poor post after a day drinking in the sun with not enough thought behind it

The point I was trying to make is that white people who don’t take the vaccine are all EDL supporting racists who deserve everything they get. But by far the highest proportion of people not taking it are “vaccine hesitant” and we are tip toeing around it, which I don’t think is good for anyone, it’s about actual life of death.

Is vaccine hesitancy related to their religion? Genuine questions as I've heard some of the less enlightened imams saying not to take the vaccine but there doesn't appear to be much reluctance amongst SA Muslims to take the vaccine. In fact, I think the greatest reluctance is amongst Afrikaners

[Enzedder]

Every single report I can see on “vaccine hesitancy” says by far the largest groups are from the BAME communities.

You all know this

Over here they are Female WASPs generally

[ohno]

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Are South Africa willing to use the Oxford-AZ vaccine yet? If yes then he has a very good point, if no then just another hypocrite.

[Sandstorm]

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Are South Africa willing to use the Oxford-AZ vaccine yet? If yes then he has a very good point, if no then just another hypocrite.

You think SA President had any knowledge over what his Health Minister did with their last batch of vaccines. Or any control over that circus they call the ANC?

[Rinkals]

It doesn't really make sense to let the virus incubate resistant strains outside of the richer nations.

Are South Africa willing to use the Oxford-AZ vaccine yet? If yes then he has a very good point, if no then just another hypocrite.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326 ... 105180-050

From his address to the Nation last night, he suggested that the Pfizer vaccine was being administered, but that the J&J vaccine was the preferred option being a single dose and being less volatile in rural areas without capable refrigeration facilities.

However, he mentioned that the J&J vaccine was being held up by certification issues in the United States. I'm not sure what these are, though.

[robmatic]

But you've commented "Are we not allowed to say Muslim?" The lowest uptake rates are amongst African and Afro-Carribbean people.

You're not dumb, and I'm willing to bet you know damn well that lower uptake rates exist outside of Muslim groups and their demographics within London.

Your comment and subsequent attempt at reasoning is extremely out of place in that context.

Well a significant proportion of those African people are also Muslim and the next 2 significant groups are Pakistani and Bangladeshi, so I don’t think it’s extremely out of place.

It was however a very poor post after a day drinking in the sun with not enough thought behind it

The point I was trying to make is that white people who don’t take the vaccine are all EDL supporting racists who deserve everything they get. But by far the highest proportion of people not taking it are “vaccine hesitant” and we are tip toeing around it, which I don’t think is good for anyone, it’s about actual life of death.

Is vaccine hesitancy related to their religion? Genuine questions as I've heard some of the less enlightened imams saying not to take the vaccine but there doesn't appear to be much reluctance amongst SA Muslims to take the vaccine. In fact, I think the greatest reluctance is amongst Afrikaners

There is some debate among pious Muslims about whether it is acceptable to be vaccinated during the month of Ramadan (which was April-May this year) because it might break the daytime fasting rules due to liquid entering the body.

[tabascoboy]

Local vaccination centre open today despite the Bank Holiday

[tabascoboy]

Covid-19: UK in early stages of third wave - scientist

There are signs the UK is in the early stages of a third wave of coronavirus infections, a scientist advising the government has said.

Prof Ravi Gupta, from the University of Cambridge, said although new cases were "relatively low" the Indian variant had fuelled "exponential growth". He said ending Covid restrictions in England on 21 June should be postponed.

Environment Secretary George Eustice said the government could not rule out a delay to the planned lockdown easing.

On Sunday, the UK reported more than 3,000 new Covid infections for a fifth day in a row.

Prior to this, the UK had not surpassed that number since 12 April.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57304515

[dpedin]

Covid-19: UK in early stages of third wave - scientist

There are signs the UK is in the early stages of a third wave of coronavirus infections, a scientist advising the government has said.

Prof Ravi Gupta, from the University of Cambridge, said although new cases were "relatively low" the Indian variant had fuelled "exponential growth". He said ending Covid restrictions in England on 21 June should be postponed.

Environment Secretary George Eustice said the government could not rule out a delay to the planned lockdown easing.

On Sunday, the UK reported more than 3,000 new Covid infections for a fifth day in a row.

Prior to this, the UK had not surpassed that number since 12 April.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57304515

They have known this was a possibility for some weeks now. Modelling has been done and some of the scenarios show a worrying 3rd wave - I posted on this about a week or two ago. It looks like the scientists are now getting worried they will not be listened to hence going public with their concerns. The UK Gov has been trailing the need to extend lock down but obviously don't want to do it given the Blonde Bumblecunt's promises. They also don't want to have to try and explain why they delayed on India travel restrictions and why their late call on the border has allowed the new more transmissible variant being imported. I see France is restricting travel from the UK because of Indian variant. All entirely predictable and avoidable!

[Biffer]

He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.

[Raggs]

He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.

Got a friend in Glasgow who's losing his mind over the fact they've been in indefinite lockdown, but still having massive football events.

[SaintK]

He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.

...........or maybe slightly before.
The shambles of a decision in not putting India on the red list immediately and letting 20k+ people in untracked and untraced in that period just beacause the blonde slug was still hoping that his high profile visit to India would still go ahead will cost us dear.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.

...........or maybe slightly before.
The shambles of a decision in not putting India on the red list immediately and letting 20k+ people in untracked and untraced in that period just beacause the blonde slug was still hoping that his high profile visit to India would still go ahead will cost us dear.

Almost 7% positive tests on people arriving from India in the weeks before the red list. It's a fine way to kickstart a new wave.

[fishfoodie]

Not surprising, & I imagine; if all countries are equally honest, the final death toll for this, "flu", will be horrific.

Peru has more than doubled its Covid death toll following a review, making it the country with the world's highest death rate per capita, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

The official death toll now sits at more than 180,000, up from 69,342.

Prime Minister Violeta Bermudez told reporters that the number was raised on the advice of Peruvian and international experts.

This was in line with so-called excess deaths figures.

Excess deaths are a measure of how many more people are dying than would be expected based on the previous few years.

"We think it is our duty to make public this updated information," Ms Bermudez said.

[Blackmac]

He's going to pile on and then pull the carpet out from underneath people on the 20th,similar to the farce around Christmas.

Pretty sure Scotland will delay the additional opening up scheduled for the 7th across most of the country.

...........or maybe slightly before.
The shambles of a decision in not putting India on the red list immediately and letting 20k+ people in untracked and untraced in that period just beacause the blonde slug was still hoping that his high profile visit to India would still go ahead will cost us dear.

Almost 7% positive tests on people arriving from India in the weeks before the red list. It's a fine way to kickstart a new wave.

Coupled with the fact that the Asian community have already claimed that they were disproportionately affected by the financial aspects of Covid as most are self employed or small business owners. Expecting them to voluntarily self isolate was just bonkers.