So, coronavirus...

[Sandstorm]

Curtain twitching has been a growth industry during covid.

Got my first jab tomorrow - anecdotal but take up is near universal among my friends/acquaintances.

Only know 1 guy in his 20s (he's a European import) who is making a lot of noise about not going for a jab.

[Sandstorm]

It also makes it clear that even being double vaccinated may not prevent death.

Even the very best vaccines only give 90% protection against death. But many people I talk to think they're bulletproof now. More useless Govt handling of the pandemic.

[Calculon]

I wasn't trying to compate COVID to flu.

But dpedin, thank you, this was a very useful response.

he comparison of covid and flu is a false one on many levels, it doesn't help develop a full understanding of the difference in impact and required response on the NHS. Whilst many folk would like us to think that covid and flu are similar and a response can be comparable they are not. If the plan is we need to 'live with covid' and risk further outbreaks and mutations that respond less well to the current vaccines then we really need to assess the additional resources this would require in the NHS and elsewhere across the system

I'm feeling very down about COVID today, this isn't really close to being over, almost feels like we are waiting for the next variant to make the vaccines null and void

The public worry far too much about new varients.

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/lifestyle/cor ... ar-AAKU0wp

[sockwithaticket]

Curtain twitching has been a growth industry during covid.

Got my first jab tomorrow - anecdotal but take up is near universal among my friends/acquaintances.

Only know 1 guy in his 20s (he's a European import) who is making a lot of noise about not going for a jab.

Most of my social circle are late 20s/early 30s. All seem to have booked in as soon as they were able, but no one's really made a song and dance about doing so.

Was chatting to my brother who's a few years younger and it sounds like everyone he knows was the same, started looking to book an appointment as soon as the word was given for their age group.

[Raggs]

My niece ( similar ages) posted some crap on Facebook about how theres an illness then magically a vaccine nonsense. I posted a large response on how stupid it was ( without calling them stupid, regardless of my opinion). They either blocked me from seeing that post ( can you do that?) Or just deleted. Feel I've done a little to help the world either way.

[tc27]

It also makes it clear that even being double vaccinated may not prevent death.

Lost the tweet but one of the stats guys I follow made your chances of death aftet 2 jabs to be 0.4% based on current data

[Raggs]

It also makes it clear that even being double vaccinated may not prevent death.

Lost the tweet but one of the stats guys I follow made your chances of death aftet 2 jabs to be 0.4% based on current data

That's really not much better than the 0.65% that covid started with?

[Ovals]

It also makes it clear that even being double vaccinated may not prevent death.

Lost the tweet but one of the stats guys I follow made your chances of death aftet 2 jabs to be 0.4% based on current data

I assume that's 0.4% if you actually get Covid. What are the chances of getting Covid if you've had both jabs ?

[Sandstorm]

It also makes it clear that even being double vaccinated may not prevent death.

Lost the tweet but one of the stats guys I follow made your chances of death aftet 2 jabs to be 0.4% based on current data

I assume that's 0.4% if you actually get Covid. What are the chances of getting Covid if you've had both jabs ?

10%

[Calculon]

Took the initiative to order is a million miles away from "as opposed to". I specifically mention those two, as they were and are the only non-Covax ones actually being delivered in material quantities. If others were being ordered, delivered and paid for in any meaningful quantity I would capture them in that list. However only AZ has been delivered in material quantities, through Covax, and where not through it costs a fraction of that paid per Sinopharm/Sinovac dose. And since April that has largely dried up of course. Morocco ordered a chunk of AZ outside of Covax, but has only received a small amount and I sincerely doubt they'll be happy paying for the full order compliment if it only arrives next year - indeed the SII stated it had to sell at premium to private providers in India and lobby for national loans to make up for shortfall of payments from international clients due to non-delivery. I suspect similar will happen to SA - orders will be overtaken by excess donations, cash contributions and discounted facilities to point of materially snuffing out costs.

Do you have links for these? Genuine question as a brief search didn’t bring up any great websites for me From what I can find it seems that Africa has purchased 33 million doses of Chinese vaccines , mainly by Egypt and Morocco. To put that into context Latin America has purchased 279 million doses of the Chinese vaccine , South Africa has purchased 31 million J & J, 20 million bioNtech and 1.5 million AZ. The latter which it then idiotically resold, probably at a lost, to the African Union. I have no idea how much SA paid for its vaccines except for the AZ ( $5.25 per dose) nor what Morocco and Egypt paid for their Chinese vaccines and how that compares to the cost of the COVAX vaccines they paid for.

In my mind you've asked me to prepare a spreadsheet, another thing impenitently more preferable to studying.


=]here really aren't that many countries that issue plainly visible summaries of receipts as open data. Easiest thing to do is find the latest statement by health authorities/politicians about what has been received, and then given most of them welcome deliveries with fanfare (the countries that produce seem to have better open data) its fairly simple to work backwards through the delivery announcements if you have the patience/care enough/are bored enough.
Can't see an easy way to share the file, and presume you wouldn't want to open something from internet schmuck x718234108, so hopefully the below is readable. I've pasted the source links further below.

As you'll see, the handbrake on exports enforced on the SII means ordered AZ doses haven't materialised past April, so as ever 'Ordered' neither means delivered, paid for nor even guaranteed to materialise if the ordering party gets enough doses elsewhere (as I'm arguing will happen) and decides to cancel/dispute due to delay. So using raw 'orders' unfortunately isn't (in my opinion) a good gauge of where things stand nor will end up - doses delivered and planned are. It's unclear that Morocco will receive any further (procured) AZ doses if India's export control maintains until end of year and AZ production in Russia with R-Pharm doesn't exceed to help cover (those are the parties Morocco contracted with), so it's only received a small number of its orders vs scaling up Sinopharm supplies. Covax AZ may continue from other sites, as it had with a miniscule delivery from South Korea. I expect Covax deliveries of other vaccines (bar maybe Sinovac or potentially J&J) to be immaterial to Morocco's rollout this year.



Source
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29R1O0
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... rm-vaccine
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/mor ... 021-02-11/
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... a-vaccines
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1832541/middle-east
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... x-vaccines
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... om-beijing
https://northafricapost.com/49891-covid ... doses.html
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... mauritania

As for the price component, as ever we only have what is publicly available for some parties, but using costs charged to the western countries is a reasonable proxy because you can mentally apply whatever discounts or favours govs/companies that may bring down (or raise) the price. Usually the former for developing for PR of course. AZ price usually an aberration because of AZ vs SII contracting, but still cheaper than the rest. As ever, between direct cash donations and excess donations I expect the true cost through Covax and other facilities to really wind down the prices (particularly where contributors bat for 'their' vaccines to be ordered/reimbursed for), but needless to say the more expensive doses will have a harder time coming down as hard.

Sinovac $30 per dose (China domestic) vs $14 Indonesia quoted
Sinopharm $19-36 per dose (per BMJ)
Pfizer $16-20 per dose (per BI & Reuters SA @ $10 a dose)
J&J $8.50-$10 single dose
Moderna $20-25 per dose

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... price-list
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/worl ... ook%20page.
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n912/rr-0
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BT13M

I won't comment on other regions as I have followed very very little of them, but here is a Mar21 summary of announcements with regards to procurement of the Chinese parastatal vaccines.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/03/the-log ... diplomacy/

Thanks for that!

I made a mistake, SA bough 30 million doses of bioNtech, not 20 million

Egypt will start production of the vaccine this month

After several months of working with China, Egypt is close to producing the first Chinese Covid-19 vaccine manufactured in Africa. It has received the first batch of the raw materials to make the shot, called Sinovac-Vacsera, and announced it will start producing the vaccine in June, according to Egyptian local media.

In future produce them from start to finish

The vaccine agreement between China and Egypt reportedly covers the transfer of production and manufacturing technology to enable Egypt to produce Covid-19 vaccine from start to finish locally in the future. This involves a delegation of Chinese experts working with VACSERA in Egypt for three weeks to produce the first batch of the vaccine.

South Africa also aiming to be responsible for the whole production process

Another South African company, BioVac, is also exploring partnerships with a Covid-19 vaccine developer to produce the vaccine locally. The state-backed vaccine company won a deal to manufacture coronavirus shots for the US biotech company, ImmunityBio, which is conducting phase 1 vaccine trials in South Africa. BioVac plans to cover the entire manufacturing process of the vaccine from start to finish.

Which might be usefull considering the J and j debacle.

[Rinkals]

Do you have links for these? Genuine question as a brief search didn’t bring up any great websites for me From what I can find it seems that Africa has purchased 33 million doses of Chinese vaccines , mainly by Egypt and Morocco. To put that into context Latin America has purchased 279 million doses of the Chinese vaccine , South Africa has purchased 31 million J & J, 20 million bioNtech and 1.5 million AZ. The latter which it then idiotically resold, probably at a lost, to the African Union. I have no idea how much SA paid for its vaccines except for the AZ ( $5.25 per dose) nor what Morocco and Egypt paid for their Chinese vaccines and how that compares to the cost of the COVAX vaccines they paid for.

In my mind you've asked me to prepare a spreadsheet, another thing impenitently more preferable to studying.


=]here really aren't that many countries that issue plainly visible summaries of receipts as open data. Easiest thing to do is find the latest statement by health authorities/politicians about what has been received, and then given most of them welcome deliveries with fanfare (the countries that produce seem to have better open data) its fairly simple to work backwards through the delivery announcements if you have the patience/care enough/are bored enough.
Can't see an easy way to share the file, and presume you wouldn't want to open something from internet schmuck x718234108, so hopefully the below is readable. I've pasted the source links further below.

As you'll see, the handbrake on exports enforced on the SII means ordered AZ doses haven't materialised past April, so as ever 'Ordered' neither means delivered, paid for nor even guaranteed to materialise if the ordering party gets enough doses elsewhere (as I'm arguing will happen) and decides to cancel/dispute due to delay. So using raw 'orders' unfortunately isn't (in my opinion) a good gauge of where things stand nor will end up - doses delivered and planned are. It's unclear that Morocco will receive any further (procured) AZ doses if India's export control maintains until end of year and AZ production in Russia with R-Pharm doesn't exceed to help cover (those are the parties Morocco contracted with), so it's only received a small number of its orders vs scaling up Sinopharm supplies. Covax AZ may continue from other sites, as it had with a miniscule delivery from South Korea. I expect Covax deliveries of other vaccines (bar maybe Sinovac or potentially J&J) to be immaterial to Morocco's rollout this year.



Source
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29R1O0
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... rm-vaccine
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/mor ... 021-02-11/
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... a-vaccines
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1832541/middle-east
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... x-vaccines
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... om-beijing
https://northafricapost.com/49891-covid ... doses.html
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... mauritania

As for the price component, as ever we only have what is publicly available for some parties, but using costs charged to the western countries is a reasonable proxy because you can mentally apply whatever discounts or favours govs/companies that may bring down (or raise) the price. Usually the former for developing for PR of course. AZ price usually an aberration because of AZ vs SII contracting, but still cheaper than the rest. As ever, between direct cash donations and excess donations I expect the true cost through Covax and other facilities to really wind down the prices (particularly where contributors bat for 'their' vaccines to be ordered/reimbursed for), but needless to say the more expensive doses will have a harder time coming down as hard.

Sinovac $30 per dose (China domestic) vs $14 Indonesia quoted
Sinopharm $19-36 per dose (per BMJ)
Pfizer $16-20 per dose (per BI & Reuters SA @ $10 a dose)
J&J $8.50-$10 single dose
Moderna $20-25 per dose

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... price-list
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/worl ... ook%20page.
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n912/rr-0
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BT13M

I won't comment on other regions as I have followed very very little of them, but here is a Mar21 summary of announcements with regards to procurement of the Chinese parastatal vaccines.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/03/the-log ... diplomacy/

Thanks for that!

I made a mistake, SA bough 30 million doses of bioNtech, not 20 million

Egypt will start production of the vaccine this month

After several months of working with China, Egypt is close to producing the first Chinese Covid-19 vaccine manufactured in Africa. It has received the first batch of the raw materials to make the shot, called Sinovac-Vacsera, and announced it will start producing the vaccine in June, according to Egyptian local media.

In future produce them from start to finish

The vaccine agreement between China and Egypt reportedly covers the transfer of production and manufacturing technology to enable Egypt to produce Covid-19 vaccine from start to finish locally in the future. This involves a delegation of Chinese experts working with VACSERA in Egypt for three weeks to produce the first batch of the vaccine.

South Africa also aiming to be responsible for the whole production process

Another South African company, BioVac, is also exploring partnerships with a Covid-19 vaccine developer to produce the vaccine locally. The state-backed vaccine company won a deal to manufacture coronavirus shots for the US biotech company, ImmunityBio, which is conducting phase 1 vaccine trials in South Africa. BioVac plans to cover the entire manufacturing process of the vaccine from start to finish.

Which might be usefull considering the J and j debacle.

I am reliably informed that South Africa doesn't have the capability of producing vaccines.

This was the reason given for not having a moratorium on the vaccine's IP as it would be pointless.

[Openside]

The Copa America going ahead in Brazil

The superspreader event to end all events. Should be good for another 20,000 deaths across South America

I thought that data has showed that outdoor events are not super spreaders and that the chances of catching it outside are 'vanishingly small' (mind you that depends on which set of experts you choose to believe)

[Openside]

It also makes it clear that even being double vaccinated may not prevent death.

Lost the tweet but one of the stats guys I follow made your chances of death aftet 2 jabs to be 0.4% based on current data

Really? thats pretty much your chances of dying from Covid unvaccinated (unless in your 80's)

[Saint]

In my mind you've asked me to prepare a spreadsheet, another thing impenitently more preferable to studying.


=]here really aren't that many countries that issue plainly visible summaries of receipts as open data. Easiest thing to do is find the latest statement by health authorities/politicians about what has been received, and then given most of them welcome deliveries with fanfare (the countries that produce seem to have better open data) its fairly simple to work backwards through the delivery announcements if you have the patience/care enough/are bored enough.
Can't see an easy way to share the file, and presume you wouldn't want to open something from internet schmuck x718234108, so hopefully the below is readable. I've pasted the source links further below.

As you'll see, the handbrake on exports enforced on the SII means ordered AZ doses haven't materialised past April, so as ever 'Ordered' neither means delivered, paid for nor even guaranteed to materialise if the ordering party gets enough doses elsewhere (as I'm arguing will happen) and decides to cancel/dispute due to delay. So using raw 'orders' unfortunately isn't (in my opinion) a good gauge of where things stand nor will end up - doses delivered and planned are. It's unclear that Morocco will receive any further (procured) AZ doses if India's export control maintains until end of year and AZ production in Russia with R-Pharm doesn't exceed to help cover (those are the parties Morocco contracted with), so it's only received a small number of its orders vs scaling up Sinopharm supplies. Covax AZ may continue from other sites, as it had with a miniscule delivery from South Korea. I expect Covax deliveries of other vaccines (bar maybe Sinovac or potentially J&J) to be immaterial to Morocco's rollout this year.



Source
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN29R1O0
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... rm-vaccine
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/mor ... 021-02-11/
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... a-vaccines
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1832541/middle-east
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... x-vaccines
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... om-beijing
https://northafricapost.com/49891-covid ... doses.html
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2021/0 ... mauritania

As for the price component, as ever we only have what is publicly available for some parties, but using costs charged to the western countries is a reasonable proxy because you can mentally apply whatever discounts or favours govs/companies that may bring down (or raise) the price. Usually the former for developing for PR of course. AZ price usually an aberration because of AZ vs SII contracting, but still cheaper than the rest. As ever, between direct cash donations and excess donations I expect the true cost through Covax and other facilities to really wind down the prices (particularly where contributors bat for 'their' vaccines to be ordered/reimbursed for), but needless to say the more expensive doses will have a harder time coming down as hard.

Sinovac $30 per dose (China domestic) vs $14 Indonesia quoted
Sinopharm $19-36 per dose (per BMJ)
Pfizer $16-20 per dose (per BI & Reuters SA @ $10 a dose)
J&J $8.50-$10 single dose
Moderna $20-25 per dose

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... price-list
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/worl ... ook%20page.
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n912/rr-0
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BT13M

I won't comment on other regions as I have followed very very little of them, but here is a Mar21 summary of announcements with regards to procurement of the Chinese parastatal vaccines.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/03/the-log ... diplomacy/

Thanks for that!

I made a mistake, SA bough 30 million doses of bioNtech, not 20 million

Egypt will start production of the vaccine this month

After several months of working with China, Egypt is close to producing the first Chinese Covid-19 vaccine manufactured in Africa. It has received the first batch of the raw materials to make the shot, called Sinovac-Vacsera, and announced it will start producing the vaccine in June, according to Egyptian local media.

In future produce them from start to finish

The vaccine agreement between China and Egypt reportedly covers the transfer of production and manufacturing technology to enable Egypt to produce Covid-19 vaccine from start to finish locally in the future. This involves a delegation of Chinese experts working with VACSERA in Egypt for three weeks to produce the first batch of the vaccine.

South Africa also aiming to be responsible for the whole production process

Another South African company, BioVac, is also exploring partnerships with a Covid-19 vaccine developer to produce the vaccine locally. The state-backed vaccine company won a deal to manufacture coronavirus shots for the US biotech company, ImmunityBio, which is conducting phase 1 vaccine trials in South Africa. BioVac plans to cover the entire manufacturing process of the vaccine from start to finish.

Which might be usefull considering the J and j debacle.

I am reliably informed that South Africa doesn't have the capability of producing vaccines.

This was the reason given for not having a moratorium on the vaccine's IP as it would be pointless.

Which vaccine are you talking about? Sinopharm is an inactivated virus, using relatively well established tech, and will be produced in a preexisting pharmaceutical factory that already does similar things. That facility couldn't produce mRNA vaccines (and even if it could, the supply chain couldn't supply them) nor likely AZ as tge process is very different.

Stop talking about Covid vaccines in generic terms as if they're all the same

[Biffer]

Thanks for that!

I made a mistake, SA bough 30 million doses of bioNtech, not 20 million

Egypt will start production of the vaccine this month



In future produce them from start to finish



South Africa also aiming to be responsible for the whole production process



Which might be usefull considering the J and j debacle.

I am reliably informed that South Africa doesn't have the capability of producing vaccines.

This was the reason given for not having a moratorium on the vaccine's IP as it would be pointless.

Which vaccine are you talking about? Sinopharm is an inactivated virus, using relatively well established tech, and will be produced in a preexisting pharmaceutical factory that already does similar things. That facility couldn't produce mRNA vaccines (and even if it could, the supply chain couldn't supply them) nor likely AZ as tge process is very different.

Stop talking about Covid vaccines in generic terms as if they're all the same

Yeah, that’s exactly the point. Some halfwits seem to think because you can produce traditional vaccines you’ll just be able to quickly change to producing RNA ones.

[Calculon]

Thanks for that!

I made a mistake, SA bough 30 million doses of bioNtech, not 20 million

Egypt will start production of the vaccine this month

After several months of working with China, Egypt is close to producing the first Chinese Covid-19 vaccine manufactured in Africa. It has received the first batch of the raw materials to make the shot, called Sinovac-Vacsera, and announced it will start producing the vaccine in June, according to Egyptian local media.

In future produce them from start to finish

The vaccine agreement between China and Egypt reportedly covers the transfer of production and manufacturing technology to enable Egypt to produce Covid-19 vaccine from start to finish locally in the future. This involves a delegation of Chinese experts working with VACSERA in Egypt for three weeks to produce the first batch of the vaccine.

South Africa also aiming to be responsible for the whole production process

Another South African company, BioVac, is also exploring partnerships with a Covid-19 vaccine developer to produce the vaccine locally. The state-backed vaccine company won a deal to manufacture coronavirus shots for the US biotech company, ImmunityBio, which is conducting phase 1 vaccine trials in South Africa. BioVac plans to cover the entire manufacturing process of the vaccine from start to finish.

Which might be usefull considering the J and j debacle.

I am reliably informed that South Africa doesn't have the capability of producing vaccines.

This was the reason given for not having a moratorium on the vaccine's IP as it would be pointless.

Their will be some technology transfer from Immunitybio to enable Biovac to manufacture the active ingredients. The vaccine is a viral vector one like AZ or sputnik, iirc it uses the human adenovirus as a vector, like sputnik and J&J, but injects DNA, coding for both the cov2 spike and capsid protein.

The sinovac vaccine in Egypt is an inactivated one but even so it require both technology transfer and technical assistance from China to enable production. The Egyptians are also planning on producing the sputnik but I'm not sure to what extent this applies to the production of the active ingredients.

In terms of mRNA vaccines, bioNtech in conjunction with the EU are planning production in possibly Senegal, South Africa, Rwanda and Ghana. Their estimate is that it will take 4 years before start to finish manufacturing is taking place. So you can see that the production of active ingredients is not the answer solve Africa's current shortage of vaccines, however several African countries are moving towards production of active ingredients for future needs.

[BnM]

FWIW it was opened up to those aged 25+ last week, and the booking system crashed because so many clicked on the link in their text. Potential sign that many aren't morons.

[Raggs]

FWIW it was opened up to those aged 25+ last week, and the booking system crashed because so many clicked on the link in their text. Potential sign that many aren't morons.

World in data shows polls for how many people are willing to get vaccinated etc. Uk is encouraging numbers. 12% are refusing but compared to many that's good. Think around 30% of French people are down as refusing. As more are vaccinated though, that refusal number seems to drop.

[Sandstorm]

FWIW it was opened up to those aged 25+ last week, and the booking system crashed because so many clicked on the link in their text. Potential sign that many aren't morons.

Booked holidays in Magaluf and Aya Napa for August

[Sandstorm]

Did my first PCR test this evening. It sux.

[Slick]

FWIW it was opened up to those aged 25+ last week, and the booking system crashed because so many clicked on the link in their text. Potential sign that many aren't morons.

Booked holidays in Magaluf and Aya Napa for August

Provocative bastard

[Sandstorm]

Did my first PCR test this evening. It sux.

Boom! Negative

[Uncle fester]

Pfizer jab no 1 done now.

[Saint]

Did my first PCR test this evening. It sux.

Your first? You lucky shite.

I've lost count how many tests I've done, and that's just a fraction of Mrs Saint

[I like neeps]

Times reporting a four week delay is being mooted.

Today is the announcement of this.

More mismanagement of the pandemic by the Tories. Borders to India should've been closed. I guess nobody is following any rules anyway and the weather so good only hospitality industries and people with weddings/euro tickets will care.

[tabascoboy]

A sensible move ( given the failure to close borders in time ) but this king of thing doen't exactly help stop the resentment of many

[SaintK]

Times reporting a four week delay is being mooted.

Today is the announcement of this.

More mismanagement of the pandemic by the Tories. Borders to India should've been closed. I guess nobody is following any rules anyway and the weather so good only hospitality industries and people with weddings/euro tickets will care.

How many thousands of people were ignoring social distancing rules watching thye football yesterday? Yet i've now got to cancel our first lunch club getogether for 18 months because there are 7 of uss and not 6. Another nail in the hospitality sector's coffin

[Paddington Bear]

Had my first jab Saturday morning, only side affect was scoring runs that afternoon...

Very busy clinic and well organised, don't think there's any issues with 20s take up.

[Slick]

Just had to rearrange the date for my 2nd jag which was meant to be next week - nothing available in the Lothian NHS until after the end of July

Stupid Moderna.

Off to the Hydro for me.

[laurent]

Just had to rearrange the date for my 2nd jag which was meant to be next week - nothing available in the Lothian NHS until after the end of July

Stupid Moderna.

Off to the Hydro for me.

You dont' get the appointment with the 1st ?

That's kind of odd for planning.

Take up in younger groups is good in France so far.

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... navigator1

[Slick]

Just had to rearrange the date for my 2nd jag which was meant to be next week - nothing available in the Lothian NHS until after the end of July

Stupid Moderna.

Off to the Hydro for me.

You dont' get the appointment with the 1st ?

That's kind of odd for planning.

Take up in younger groups is good in France so far.

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... navigator1

No. I was all a bit odd to be honest. The reception person and the person putting it in both said that with Moderna we had to have our 2nd within 4 weeks and then as we were leaving a 3rd person said we would be contacted about the 2nd one within 12 weeks.

[laurent]

Just had to rearrange the date for my 2nd jag which was meant to be next week - nothing available in the Lothian NHS until after the end of July

Stupid Moderna.

Off to the Hydro for me.

You dont' get the appointment with the 1st ?

That's kind of odd for planning.

Take up in younger groups is good in France so far.

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... navigator1

No. I was all a bit off to be honest. The reception person and the person putting it in both said that with Moderna we had to have our 2nd within 4 weeks and then as we were leaving a 3rd person said we would be contacted about the 2nd one within 12 weeks.

strange stuff here you get your shot and your second appointment date together.

[I like neeps]

A sensible move ( given the failure to close borders in time ) but this king of thing doen't exactly help stop the resentment of many

Absolutely nobody is still following the rules though so there's no example to set.

It's just sad for the hospitality industry - euros and great weather they'd have made a good little sum of money next month.

[Saint]

You dont' get the appointment with the 1st ?

That's kind of odd for planning.

Take up in younger groups is good in France so far.

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... navigator1

No. I was all a bit off to be honest. The reception person and the person putting it in both said that with Moderna we had to have our 2nd within 4 weeks and then as we were leaving a 3rd person said we would be contacted about the 2nd one within 12 weeks.

strange stuff here you get your shot and your second appointment date together.

Different systems across the UK. In England, if you get your shot through the GPs then they arrange your second date at a later point. If you book through the NHS website (for a mass vax centre) then you book dates 1 & 2 at the same time.

[Paddington Bear]

You dont' get the appointment with the 1st ?

That's kind of odd for planning.

Take up in younger groups is good in France so far.

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... navigator1

No. I was all a bit off to be honest. The reception person and the person putting it in both said that with Moderna we had to have our 2nd within 4 weeks and then as we were leaving a 3rd person said we would be contacted about the 2nd one within 12 weeks.

strange stuff here you get your shot and your second appointment date together.

Likewise in England I was just told I'd be contacted in 10 weeks or so to book another appointment. Have to say though the system is remarkably efficient. Took me 30 seconds to book a slot having got a text message to do so and was seen two minutes later than my appointment time. 15 minute wait after and then all done. Think the surgery did that all day with a half hour break.

[tabascoboy]

When I booked my first jab online, I got an appointment for the second automatically for 11 weeks after.

[Marylandolorian]

You dont' get the appointment with the 1st ?

That's kind of odd for planning.

Take up in younger groups is good in France so far.

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... navigator1

No. I was all a bit off to be honest. The reception person and the person putting it in both said that with Moderna we had to have our 2nd within 4 weeks and then as we were leaving a 3rd person said we would be contacted about the 2nd one within 12 weeks.

strange stuff here you get your shot and your second appointment date together.

Same thing here, appointments are, 3 weeks for Pfizer, 4 weeks for Moderna.

[TheNatalShark]

I got a text through my GP to book via some system (two weeks ago?) to book first dose, no sign of second, and then blue letter a few days ago which I've effectively ignored.

The UK's flexibility appears in my mind a significant component of avoiding regions holding overly pessimistic reserves for seconds as seen in say France, Germany and regions within Italy re the non-Pfizer vaccines due to their erratic supply, leading to much better utilisation rates.

Apparently I'm also meant to become Magneto tomorrow. Does this mean we can move to metal laced pint glasses?

[sockwithaticket]

When I booked (or thought I had) the first time, it said there weren't any appointments available to book the second jab, but that I'd be contacted.

As I checked up on that one and why I'd had no confirmation the NHS person on the other end of the 119 line told me that's not right and a sign that the booking hadn't gone through.

With my second attempt I was given the option of booking both appointments.

[Raggs]

Just had to rearrange the date for my 2nd jag which was meant to be next week - nothing available in the Lothian NHS until after the end of July

Stupid Moderna.

Off to the Hydro for me.

You dont' get the appointment with the 1st ?

That's kind of odd for planning.

Take up in younger groups is good in France so far.

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... navigator1

I'd expect take-up to look good for any age group at first, since everyone that wants it, can sign up and get it. What's concerning is the drop off level seems to be 80% for 65+ and potentially (not clear yet) lower for those younger. Indian variant is looking like it needs pretty high % uptake to be blocked. Is France going to get there?