Saffers

[Cartman]

I've met Helen Zille. She is seriously impressive, but most SA voters are idiots

I used to be a huge fan of her, but think that she has gone batshit crazy over the last while.

Thats just a women thing as they grow older

[assfly]

fair point

[OomStruisbaai]

Must be stupid not to vote DA.

The proof is in the Republic of the Western Cape

Perhaps the DA have the same dismissive attitude which is why they are unsuccessful in other provinces.

ANC try to run WP, not our government. Just drive through the other provinces and its obvious that the Rep of the Western Cape is by far the best. A busy town like Stellenbosch, they clean streets at 21h00 on a sunday night. Drive through Bloemfontein or PE and you realise they dont care a vok.

[Chilli]

Must be stupid not to vote DA.

The proof is in the Republic of the Western Cape

Perhaps the DA have the same dismissive attitude which is why they are unsuccessful in other provinces.

ANC try to run WP, not our government. Just drive through the other provinces and its obvious that the Rep of the Western Cape is by far the best. A busy town like Stellenbosch, they clean streets at 21h00 on a sunday night. Drive through Bloemfontein or PE and you realise they dont care a vok.

I don't think that anyone can argue that the DA runs very good municipalities and a good province.
They need to get the votes 🗳 though.

[Sards]

Must be stupid not to vote DA.

The proof is in the Republic of the Western Cape

Perhaps the DA have the same dismissive attitude which is why they are unsuccessful in other provinces.

ANC try to run WP, not our government. Just drive through the other provinces and its obvious that the Rep of the Western Cape is by far the best. A busy town like Stellenbosch, they clean streets at 21h00 on a sunday night. Drive through Bloemfontein or PE and you realise they dont care a vok.

Agreed

[Sards]

The DA is in a bit of a mess.
Will black voters vote for a party run Steenhuizen [who seems to be a good bloke] and Zille ?

The DA seems to be getting back on track. The party membership is much bigger now than it was in the 2000s which helps when campaigning, but membership and branches were damaged under the directionless Maimane. Just having a proper direction the overwhelming majority of the party agree on will help. The DA's social media game has definitely improved during lockdown, there's a very good video offering now (important for keeping supporters engaged).

There's more than Zille and Steenhuisen at the top of the party, the very top is really 3 or 4 people. What people inclined towards the DA think of Zille and Steenhuisen, and what the media says about them, are two completely different things. Nearly all the DA's growth in black/coloured/Indian communities came whilst Zille was leader, she's well liked, that's why she has her current position there was a vote inside the party and she won.

There's every chance the DA can grow under Steenhuisen, the key thing is he has to keep it real and show that whatever else he means well. That was Zille's winning formula. Maimane among other failings came across as very fake, no one really trusted him or knew what he was about which is why he failed to win new black voters, he's now doing BEE stuff last I heard.

The thing you have to always remember is no party can win everyone, the market for a party positioned where the DA is at most 40% of the electorate. There's always going to be people that dislike the DA because most whites support it, there's nothing that can be done about that, they just have to get on with not voting DA and ranting about whites. The long term DA goal has been winning 30% for awhile now. 30% by 2029 is credible if they continue building in this direction, and don't try the directionless fake plastic stuff.

Let's be honest. Mamaine squandered a perfect opportunity at the last elections to gain ground on the ANC. With all the bad press around Zuma.

[sorCrer]

The DA is in a bit of a mess.
Will black voters vote for a party run Steenhuizen [who seems to be a good bloke] and Zille ?

The DA seems to be getting back on track. The party membership is much bigger now than it was in the 2000s which helps when campaigning, but membership and branches were damaged under the directionless Maimane. Just having a proper direction the overwhelming majority of the party agree on will help. The DA's social media game has definitely improved during lockdown, there's a very good video offering now (important for keeping supporters engaged).

There's more than Zille and Steenhuisen at the top of the party, the very top is really 3 or 4 people. What people inclined towards the DA think of Zille and Steenhuisen, and what the media says about them, are two completely different things. Nearly all the DA's growth in black/coloured/Indian communities came whilst Zille was leader, she's well liked, that's why she has her current position there was a vote inside the party and she won.

There's every chance the DA can grow under Steenhuisen, the key thing is he has to keep it real and show that whatever else he means well. That was Zille's winning formula. Maimane among other failings came across as very fake, no one really trusted him or knew what he was about which is why he failed to win new black voters, he's now doing BEE stuff last I heard.

The thing you have to always remember is no party can win everyone, the market for a party positioned where the DA is at most 40% of the electorate. There's always going to be people that dislike the DA because most whites support it, there's nothing that can be done about that, they just have to get on with not voting DA and ranting about whites. The long term DA goal has been winning 30% for awhile now. 30% by 2029 is credible if they continue building in this direction, and don't try the directionless fake plastic stuff.

Let's be honest. Mamaine squandered a perfect opportunity at the last elections to gain ground on the ANC. With all the bad press around Zuma.

The DA are excellent administrators but completely useless politicians. Tone deaf.

[Chilli]

The DA seems to be getting back on track. The party membership is much bigger now than it was in the 2000s which helps when campaigning, but membership and branches were damaged under the directionless Maimane. Just having a proper direction the overwhelming majority of the party agree on will help. The DA's social media game has definitely improved during lockdown, there's a very good video offering now (important for keeping supporters engaged).

There's more than Zille and Steenhuisen at the top of the party, the very top is really 3 or 4 people. What people inclined towards the DA think of Zille and Steenhuisen, and what the media says about them, are two completely different things. Nearly all the DA's growth in black/coloured/Indian communities came whilst Zille was leader, she's well liked, that's why she has her current position there was a vote inside the party and she won.

There's every chance the DA can grow under Steenhuisen, the key thing is he has to keep it real and show that whatever else he means well. That was Zille's winning formula. Maimane among other failings came across as very fake, no one really trusted him or knew what he was about which is why he failed to win new black voters, he's now doing BEE stuff last I heard.

The thing you have to always remember is no party can win everyone, the market for a party positioned where the DA is at most 40% of the electorate. There's always going to be people that dislike the DA because most whites support it, there's nothing that can be done about that, they just have to get on with not voting DA and ranting about whites. The long term DA goal has been winning 30% for awhile now. 30% by 2029 is credible if they continue building in this direction, and don't try the directionless fake plastic stuff.

Let's be honest. Mamaine squandered a perfect opportunity at the last elections to gain ground on the ANC. With all the bad press around Zuma.

The DA are excellent administrators but completely useless politicians. Tone deaf.

This.

[assfly]

ANC try to run WP, not our government. Just drive through the other provinces and its obvious that the Rep of the Western Cape is by far the best. A busy town like Stellenbosch, they clean streets at 21h00 on a sunday night. Drive through Bloemfontein or PE and you realise they dont care a vok.

I agree with all of that. But DA needs to woo those "stupid" voters in order to win more seats and one day run the country.

[Sandstorm]

ANC try to run WP, not our government. Just drive through the other provinces and its obvious that the Rep of the Western Cape is by far the best. A busy town like Stellenbosch, they clean streets at 21h00 on a sunday night. Drive through Bloemfontein or PE and you realise they dont care a vok.

I agree with all of that. But DA needs to woo those "stupid" voters in order to win more seats and one day run the country.

Offer more free KFC and t-shirts

[assfly]

Offer more free KFC and t-shirts

Or DSTV dishes to go with their 82 inch tvs.

[average joe]

DA has been running more than just the Cape for some time now. They haven't done shit in those other metros. It's easy to blow your horn on doing good when you only need to look after a province with 6 million people in it and 130000 sq km in a country with 59 million people and 1.22 million sq km.

[Chilli]

DA has been running more than just the Cape for some time now. They haven't done shit in those other metros. It's easy to blow your horn on doing good when you only need to look after a province with 6 million people in it and 130000 sq km in a country with 59 million people and 1.22 million sq km.

Yip.

[Big Nipper]

The DA is unfortunately dead in the water. It began when they wanted to grow the conservative white vote by trying to go full FF+ in their policies, but at the same time they are losing all momentum in the black vote.

Zille is a cancer to that party, the sooner she relinquishes power, the sooner things may turn around. Otherwise they will go backwards drastically in the next election

[sorCrer]

The DA is unfortunately dead in the water. It began when they wanted to grow the conservative white vote by trying to go full FF+ in their policies, but at the same time they are losing all momentum in the black vote.

Zille is a cancer to that party, the sooner she relinquishes power, the sooner things may turn around. Otherwise they will go backwards drastically in the next election

Awful fucking thing. Talk about tone deaf.

[Chilli]

The DA is unfortunately dead in the water. It began when they wanted to grow the conservative white vote by trying to go full FF+ in their policies, but at the same time they are losing all momentum in the black vote.

Zille is a cancer to that party, the sooner she relinquishes power, the sooner things may turn around. Otherwise they will go backwards drastically in the next election

100%

They need to get rid of her.

I, again, find myself in no mans land coming up to an election.
The DA is going nowhere.

[OomStruisbaai]

Ziller or whatever? There isn't better options then the DA.

They are already on my left side.

[Rinkals]

Agree with all of that, Os.

I certainly don't.

There is enough evidence of an organised uprising attacking supply routes, water treatment plants and oil refineries in support of Zuma.

This wasn't a spontaneous, opportunistic riot on the back of a minor protest. This was an organised rebellion with #KZNMUSTFALL trending as early as the Friday and threats to close down the entire East Coast.

If it was only opportunist affirmative shopping, then why was it only KZN and parts of Gauteng affected? Surely other parts of the country like the Eastern Cape and Limpopo are just as socially deprived?

I'll tell you why: it's because KZN and Gauteng are where Zuma loyalists hold sway.

I'm not suggesting that opportunistic looting didn't take place, but I think it's fanciful to believe that support for Zuma and a push to make the country ungovernable in his name were not the principal drivers.

[Rinkals]

DA has been running more than just the Cape for some time now. They haven't done shit in those other metros. It's easy to blow your horn on doing good when you only need to look after a province with 6 million people in it and 130000 sq km in a country with 59 million people and 1.22 million sq km.

What other metros?

I think they might still have Mid-Rand, but they've been kicked out of PE and Jo'burg.

[assfly]

I certainly don't.

There is enough evidence of an organised uprising attacking supply routes, water treatment plants and oil refineries in support of Zuma.

This wasn't a spontaneous, opportunistic riot on the back of a minor protest. This was an organised rebellion with #KZNMUSTFALL trending as early as the Friday and threats to close down the entire East Coast.

If it was only opportunist affirmative shopping, then why was it only KZN and parts of Gauteng affected? Surely other parts of the country like the Eastern Cape and Limpopo are just as socially deprived?

I'll tell you why: it's because KZN and Gauteng are where Zuma loyalists hold sway.

I'm not suggesting that opportunistic looting didn't take place, but I think it's fanciful to believe that support for Zuma and a push to make the country ungovernable in his name were not the principal drivers.

Still not even close to a coup.

[_Os_]

Zille is seen to be the reason why 2 black top leaders of the DA left the DA. The manner in which both Mazibuko and Maimane left the DA has left a bad taste in the mouth of your middle class black voter.

The treatment of De Lille might have killed off the famed coloured vote. Here they might be lucky that no other coloured politician has seen and taken the gap.

The DA has also lost a lot of Afrikaans support to the FF+.

They are in more trouble than what you might think.

Clever use of words there "is seen to be the reason", Mazibuko and Maimane left on their own. They were at the start of their political careers and had been boosted to the top, they both lost internal political battles after performance failures, then gave up. Either or both of could've stayed and tried to regroup with whoever would support them, but neither could take losing so walked out. Not hard enough, egos too big. The truth about Maimane especially, is every DA elected representative and staff member fully backed him, when he was elected into positions no one even stood against him (!), he got an armchair ride ... then once he himself walked out he cried racism when there was none.

People leave the DA all the time by the way. Some white staffers really were told to fuck off after 2019 (they had a hand in the Schweizer-Reneke shit show), no one cares and it doesn't make the news because they're white.

De Lille is in bed with the ANC now she's fucked, most coloured voters vote DA. Lost about 250k to the FF+, they're likely not coming back, most Afrikaners vote DA.

The DA aren't in trouble, because they're getting back to what they were doing when they were last growing (last grew 7+ years ago). All this shit about "tone" is irrelevant, they need to be kicking doors in, anyone still voting ANC is a lost cause the aim isn't to make them feel happy and reassure them they've made the right choice, there's just no point in saying anything to someone that keeps voting ANC regardless. The target is people that don't vote, which was most eligible voters in 2019.

DA has been running more than just the Cape for some time now. They haven't done shit in those other metros. It's easy to blow your horn on doing good when you only need to look after a province with 6 million people in it and 130000 sq km in a country with 59 million people and 1.22 million sq km.

What other metros?

I think they might still have Mid-Rand, but they've been kicked out of PE and Jo'burg.

Exactly.

The only municipalities outside the Western Cap the DA has a majority in are Kouga in the Eastern Cape and Midvaal in Gauteng. Anywhere else they've had a hand in running outside the Western Cape it's been as a minority or in a coalition with other parties, in both situations that brings all sorts of compromises and reduced performance.

I get what Joe's saying about the Western Cape, it probably is the easiest place to run. But I also don't fully agree, there can't be much to running Northern Cape for example, hardly anyone lives there, there's basically one averaged sized town, but mostly what I've heard out of that place down the years is corruption stories. I also wonder if Gauteng really is that difficult to run, it's the most urbanised and wealthy province, it's not much of an exaggeration to say it is the SA economy, I'm not really buying the state of Joburg is inevitable.

The parts of SA that genuinely do look difficult to do much with are the provinces without large cities and with massive rural populations. The DA's never winning there anyway.

The DA is unfortunately dead in the water. It began when they wanted to grow the conservative white vote by trying to go full FF+ in their policies, but at the same time they are losing all momentum in the black vote.

Zille is a cancer to that party, the sooner she relinquishes power, the sooner things may turn around. Otherwise they will go backwards drastically in the next election

They've gone back to what won the black/coloured/Indian support they have. Last I looked the DA wasn't proposing establishing a volkstaat, opposing BEE doesn't make anyone an FF+ supporter.

Who voted for Zille inside the party? Most of the actual DA membership isn't white (just like most DA voters aren't), she was elected as Federal Council Chairperson in 2019 and again in 2020. Morons in the party keep reading what the media says and think that actual DA members and councillors care about what a media that hates the DA says, so they challenge her every Federal Congress, and Zille wins super majorities every time (70% last time). The ones that are mentally weak, pea hearts with big egos, then storm out and claim its all racist.

Next election is a municipal election, the ANC are going to be struggling even more than usual to get their vote out. The DA will be batting way above 20% in that one, may even be getting close to 30% (when I said 2029 was realistic for the DA to grow enough to reach 30%, I meant in a full national election). Remember I was the one who told you before 2019 the FF+ would grow (you mocked me I recall) and called the percentage result of the top 5 parties almost exactly (including the DA's decline).

All that's stopped the DA growing the last 7 years, is the amount of morons who were wrong that had input into it. Unfortunately they could only be proven to be wrong once their directionless shambles had failed. They've all run away into obscurity now.

[sorCrer]

They trashed my brothers small solar operations office in Pinetown. The painted Free Zuma with black spray paint in 2 places, a window and a desk. I have the pictures.

[OomStruisbaai]

Ek en Os gaan DA stem. Vir wie gaan julle stem?

ANC of EFF of VV+?

Get a live and vote DA

[_Os_]

They trashed my brothers small solar operations office in Pinetown. The painted Free Zuma with black spray paint in 2 places, a window and a desk. I have the pictures.

How much has he lost?

[Big Nipper]

Zille is seen to be the reason why 2 black top leaders of the DA left the DA. The manner in which both Mazibuko and Maimane left the DA has left a bad taste in the mouth of your middle class black voter.

The treatment of De Lille might have killed off the famed coloured vote. Here they might be lucky that no other coloured politician has seen and taken the gap.

The DA has also lost a lot of Afrikaans support to the FF+.

They are in more trouble than what you might think.

Clever use of words there "is seen to be the reason", Mazibuko and Maimane left on their own. They were at the start of their political careers and had been boosted to the top, they both lost internal political battles after performance failures, then gave up. Either or both of could've stayed and tried to regroup with whoever would support them, but neither could take losing so walked out. Not hard enough, egos too big. The truth about Maimane especially, is every DA elected representative and staff member fully backed him, when he was elected into positions no one even stood against him (!), he got an armchair ride ... then once he himself walked out he cried racism when there was none.

People leave the DA all the time by the way. Some white staffers really were told to fuck off after 2019 (they had a hand in the Schweizer-Reneke shit show), no one cares and it doesn't make the news because they're white.

De Lille is in bed with the ANC now she's fucked, most coloured voters vote DA. Lost about 250k to the FF+, they're likely not coming back, most Afrikaners vote DA.

The DA aren't in trouble, because they're getting back to what they were doing when they were last growing (last grew 7+ years ago). All this shit about "tone" is irrelevant, they need to be kicking doors in, anyone still voting ANC is a lost cause the aim isn't to make them feel happy and reassure them they've made the right choice, there's just no point in saying anything to someone that keeps voting ANC regardless. The target is people that don't vote, which was most eligible voters in 2019.

DA has been running more than just the Cape for some time now. They haven't done shit in those other metros. It's easy to blow your horn on doing good when you only need to look after a province with 6 million people in it and 130000 sq km in a country with 59 million people and 1.22 million sq km.

What other metros?

I think they might still have Mid-Rand, but they've been kicked out of PE and Jo'burg.

Exactly.

The only municipalities outside the Western Cap the DA has a majority in are Kouga in the Eastern Cape and Midvaal in Gauteng. Anywhere else they've had a hand in running outside the Western Cape it's been as a minority or in a coalition with other parties, in both situations that brings all sorts of compromises and reduced performance.

I get what Joe's saying about the Western Cape, it probably is the easiest place to run. But I also don't fully agree, there can't be much to running Northern Cape for example, hardly anyone lives there, there's basically one averaged sized town, but mostly what I've heard out of that place down the years is corruption stories. I also wonder if Gauteng really is that difficult to run, it's the most urbanised and wealthy province, it's not much of an exaggeration to say it is the SA economy, I'm not really buying the state of Joburg is inevitable.

The parts of SA that genuinely do look difficult to do much with are the provinces without large cities and with massive rural populations. The DA's never winning there anyway.

The DA is unfortunately dead in the water. It began when they wanted to grow the conservative white vote by trying to go full FF+ in their policies, but at the same time they are losing all momentum in the black vote.

Zille is a cancer to that party, the sooner she relinquishes power, the sooner things may turn around. Otherwise they will go backwards drastically in the next election

They've gone back to what won the black/coloured/Indian support they have. Last I looked the DA wasn't proposing establishing a volkstaat, opposing BEE doesn't make anyone an FF+ supporter.

Who voted for Zille inside the party? Most of the actual DA membership isn't white (just like most DA voters aren't), she was elected as Federal Council Chairperson in 2019 and again in 2020. Morons in the party keep reading what the media says and think that actual DA members and councillors care about what a media that hates the DA says, so they challenge her every Federal Congress, and Zille wins super majorities every time (70% last time). The ones that are mentally weak, pea hearts with big egos, then storm out and claim its all racist.

Next election is a municipal election, the ANC are going to be struggling even more than usual to get their vote out. The DA will be batting way above 20% in that one, may even be getting close to 30% (when I said 2029 was realistic for the DA to grow enough to reach 30%, I meant in a full national election). Remember I was the one who told you before 2019 the FF+ would grow (you mocked me I recall) and called the percentage result of the top 5 parties almost exactly (including the DA's decline).

All that's stopped the DA growing the last 7 years, is the amount of morons who were wrong that had input into it. Unfortunately they could only be proven to be wrong once their directionless shambles had failed. They've all run away into obscurity now.

You have lost touch with what is going on here in SA. If the by-elections are anything to go by, the DA are going to lose many municipalities in their traditional strongholds.

The fact remains the DA have completely u-turned on the policies that saw them gain a significant foothold in the coloured/black voter's heart in order to appeal to the conservative white vote. And guess what, they were still completely trashed by the FF+ in a couple of key by elections (especially in afrikaans strongholds in Gauteng). Their leadership is too stubborn to change course, it seems Zille is only concerned with scoring cheap scores on the woke battles of Twitter

DA is a lost cause, it is sad to say.

[sorCrer]

They trashed my brothers small solar operations office in Pinetown. The painted Free Zuma with black spray paint in 2 places, a window and a desk. I have the pictures.

How much has he lost?

Haven't really asked but it was a clear and deliberate attack i.e. not looting. Not targeting him as all the other businesses in the small centrally based complex were targetted.

EDIT: Notice how the rollup door was cut open.

[Calculon]

Ek en Os gaan DA stem. Vir wie gaan julle stem?

ANC of EFF of VV+?

Get a live and vote DA

DA, natuurlik. Wanneer is die verkiesing?

Dink Os woon in die VK

[_Os_]

You have lost touch with what is going on here in SA. If the by-elections are anything to go by, the DA are going to lose many municipalities in their traditional strongholds.

The fact remains the DA have completely u-turned on the policies that saw them gain a significant foothold in the coloured/black voter's heart in order to appeal to the conservative white vote. And guess what, they were still completely trashed by the FF+ in a couple of key by elections (especially in afrikaans strongholds in Gauteng). Their leadership is too stubborn to change course, it seems Zille is only concerned with scoring cheap scores on the woke battles of Twitter

DA is a lost cause, it is sad to say.

Lost touch since 2019 when you got it all wrong and I was right about the whole thing?

On by-elections, the ANC were destroyed in a super round of them at the end of last year. Where the ANC/DA/EFF all fielded candidates in that super round, the ANC was losing near 10% of support, the DA and EFF were holding. That super round of by elections gave some evidence the DA's support among black and white voters was increasing. Where the DA took a hit was with Indian voters in Gauteng and coloured voters in rural Western Cape that's where nearly all the losses came from and were connected to local issues in those places/communities. Don't expect the media to tell you any of this though, it was wall to wall "the DA has lost!".

You keep waving your hand around pointing to "conservative white" policies. It's nonsense though isn't it. I have DA/DP/PFP stuff going back to the 1970s, there's nothing the DA have come out with post-2019 that's not their normal position.

This is the amount of votes the DA won in recent elections (national election PR votes and municipal election PR votes):
2004: 1.9m, 2006: 1.6m, 2009: 2.9m, 2011: 3.2m, 2014: 4m, 2016: 4m, 2019: 3.6m.

Last grew in 2014. Most of the growth happened between 2006 and 2014. It's you that doesn't understand what the DA is (you're not alone, the last leader didn't either), the people that support it aren't socialists if you don't want or support socialist policies that doesn't mean you're FF+.

You would do well ignoring what much of the media says about the DA. They hate the party because it's proven them wrong about almost everything (I remember when the entire media said "Stop Zuma" was the wrong "tone" and racist). They dislike Zille because they're all jealous of her record, she was right about the Nats/apartheid and right early about the ANC too, both times she did something about it too, very few of them can say that and it drives them mad.

The DA are very far from done.

[Big Nipper]

Expect that number to come down to around 3 million in the next election

Independent candidates are going to fare well

[sorCrer]

Expect that number to come down to around 3 million in the next election

Independent candidates are going to fare well

Yeah. People are pretty pissed with the DA up here in my Sandton area neighborhood. Our councilor has recently moved to ActionSA.

[Big Nipper]

Expect that number to come down to around 3 million in the next election

Independent candidates are going to fare well

Yeah. People are pretty pissed with the DA up here in my Sandton area neighborhood. Our councilor has recently moved to ActionSA.

I find it impressive that Ox has not been able to admit a single fault in Helen Zille's last few years in the DA. It seems he supports the DA like he does the Sharks, completely oblivious to their faults. Shame

[OomStruisbaai]

Ek en Os gaan DA stem. Vir wie gaan julle stem?

ANC of EFF of VV+?

Get a live and vote DA

DA, natuurlik. Wanneer is die verkiesing?

Dink Os woon in die VK

Munisipale verkiesing is in die proses pm te skuif na vroeg volgende jaar.

[OomStruisbaai]

Rugby test live now on 210

[Chilli]

Expect that number to come down to around 3 million in the next election

Independent candidates are going to fare well

Yeah. People are pretty pissed with the DA up here in my Sandton area neighborhood. Our councilor has recently moved to ActionSA.

I find it impressive that Ox has not been able to admit a single fault in Helen Zille's last few years in the DA. It seems he supports the DA like he does the Sharks, completely oblivious to their faults. Shame

Yes, sitting on mud Island he will have lots of exposure to South Africans. And be able to talk to the average man in the street to hear what they think and believe.
You know it is a pity that those of us actually living here don't ever speak to our fellow citizens of all races to fi d out what they think about the political parties.

I am sure that Ox knows what Xola, my Sous Chef, and Brandon the sculler thinks about the DA. Ox probably listens in the the conversations between your colleagues Nips, and thus has the knowledge that they all will vote for the Zille lead DA .

Ox knows

[OomStruisbaai]

Ox can stand for the DA this election, He got my vote.

[handyman]

I have said in the past (and I still do) that Ox (Os) is one of the better Saffer posters (yes, elite level) on here, when he is not posting about the saarks. It's his only vice, but something I'm willing to accept.

The attacks on him are not on, especially coming from posters whose MO is only to snipe from the side, to provoke and not to post valid counter arguments.

[sorCrer]

Yeah. People are pretty pissed with the DA up here in my Sandton area neighborhood. Our councilor has recently moved to ActionSA.

I find it impressive that Ox has not been able to admit a single fault in Helen Zille's last few years in the DA. It seems he supports the DA like he does the Sharks, completely oblivious to their faults. Shame

Yes, sitting on mud Island he will have lots of exposure to South Africans. And be able to talk to the average man in the street to hear what they think and believe.
You know it is a pity that those of us actually living here don't ever speak to our fellow citizens of all races to fi d out what they think about the political parties.

I am sure that Ox knows what Xola, my Sous Chef, and Brandon the sculler thinks about the DA. Ox probably listens in the the conversations between your colleagues Nips, and thus has the knowledge that they all will vote for the Zille lead DA .

Ox knows

You're in deep shit now. I once suggested the same thing many years ago and Ox stripped it.

[Big Nipper]

I have said in the past (and I still do) that Ox (Os) is one of the better Saffer posters (yes, elite level) on here, when he is not posting about the saarks. It's his only vice, but something I'm willing to accept.

The attacks on him are not on, especially coming from posters whose MO is only to snipe from the side, to provoke and not to post valid counter arguments.

You are a dumpster fire of a poster if you think that everything is looking rosy for the DA. Even worse than your cricket posts

[handyman]

I have said in the past (and I still do) that Ox (Os) is one of the better Saffer posters (yes, elite level) on here, when he is not posting about the saarks. It's his only vice, but something I'm willing to accept.

The attacks on him are not on, especially coming from posters whose MO is only to snipe from the side, to provoke and not to post valid counter arguments.

You are a dumpster fire of a poster if you think that everything is looking rosy for the DA. Even worse than your cricket posts

I'm not going to lower myself to your level to respond to that.

[Big Nipper]

Your posting is so predictable, pretty much just go against anything I post. Im just glad I live rent free in your head, it brings loads of joy