So, coronavirus...
How would a placebo effect work in this case? I've read about placebos in the form of medicines helping people who have a condition feel better, despite having no chemical effect, but masks are meant to be preventative, not curative or symptom alleviating. What's more the ones we are talking about are meant to prevent other people being given it by the wearer.
If it were a placebo then it wouldn't actually stop the wearers passing the virus on to me, but it would... make me less likely to contract the disease despite being exposed to the virus? Surely not... Or mean that I experienced the disease less severely?
It doesn't make sense to me. The moment I started experiencing symptoms I'd immediately conclude that I had contracted it despite other people wearing masks around me, and as I would have no expectation that this would result in me getting a less severe form of the disease I wouldn't experience any placebo effect.
I suppose that if I was well enough versed in rumours about COVID-19 I might expect that the masks meant I had been exposed to a lower viral load, which might have some placebo benefits?
If it were a placebo then it wouldn't actually stop the wearers passing the virus on to me, but it would... make me less likely to contract the disease despite being exposed to the virus? Surely not... Or mean that I experienced the disease less severely?
It doesn't make sense to me. The moment I started experiencing symptoms I'd immediately conclude that I had contracted it despite other people wearing masks around me, and as I would have no expectation that this would result in me getting a less severe form of the disease I wouldn't experience any placebo effect.
I suppose that if I was well enough versed in rumours about COVID-19 I might expect that the masks meant I had been exposed to a lower viral load, which might have some placebo benefits?
Wha daur meddle wi' me?
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Bimbowomxn
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The “placebo” in effect is that of making people feel safer from infection because people are wearing masks.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
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Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:51 am The “placebo” in effect is that of making people feel safer from infection because people are wearing masks.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
People are forgetting the expert opinion a few weeks ago from the UK government was No to masks, that advice changed and the plebs have embraced the “new” advice as the right one.
That’s “confirmation bias” btw Sefton , classic example of it in action.
A long time ago you rightly complained when I suggested you were on the spectrum as an insult, because you said your son has Aspergers or similar and you figured you might be on the spectrum as well.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:51 am The “placebo” in effect is that of making people feel safer from infection because people are wearing masks.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
It seems strange to see you labelling other posters as autistic as a result. Particularly because it's all down to you misusing a word.
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JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:04 pmA long time ago you rightly complained when I suggested you were on the spectrum as an insult, because you said your son has Aspergers or similar and you figured you might be on the spectrum as well.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:51 am The “placebo” in effect is that of making people feel safer from infection because people are wearing masks.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
It seems strange to see you labelling other posters as autistic as a result. Particularly because it's all down to you misusing a word.
Yeah, the bored and the mods at the time decided that line of attack were valid and I could be called anything, I’ve extrapolated that right back to myself.
The very idea of you being a judge on these matters is f ucking hilarious and welcome,
That’s not a placebo effect.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:51 am The “placebo” in effect is that of making people feel safer from infection because people are wearing masks.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
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sefton wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:07 pmThat’s not a placebo effect.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:51 am The “placebo” in effect is that of making people feel safer from infection because people are wearing masks.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
Yes it is. Now do f uck off.
To be fair, I googled the definition ‘Placebo’ because I, too, wanted to jump down the wanker’s throat on this one:
pla·ce·bo
/pləˈsēbō/
noun
a harmless pill, medicine, or procedure prescribed more for the psychological benefit to the patient than for any physiological effect.
"his Aunt Beatrice had been kept alive on sympathy and placebos for thirty years"
a substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.
a measure designed merely to calm or please someone.
Except no govt anywhere is saying that's why we should wear masks.Ali Cadoo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:12 pm To be fair, I googled the definition ‘Placebo’ because I, too, wanted to jump down the wanker’s throat on this one:
pla·ce·bo
/pləˈsēbō/
noun
a harmless pill, medicine, or procedure prescribed more for the psychological benefit to the patient than for any physiological effect.
"his Aunt Beatrice had been kept alive on sympathy and placebos for thirty years"
a substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.
a measure designed merely to calm or please someone.
Well, given I accepted your complaint at the time and said I'd never mentioned it again, which I stuck to, it was something I remembered. If your son being on the spectrum is important to you I find it very strange that you're happy to use autism as an insult simply because other people are happy to do the same. If you feel judged, well, that's on you I guess.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:06 pmJM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:04 pmA long time ago you rightly complained when I suggested you were on the spectrum as an insult, because you said your son has Aspergers or similar and you figured you might be on the spectrum as well.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:51 am The “placebo” in effect is that of making people feel safer from infection because people are wearing masks.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
It seems strange to see you labelling other posters as autistic as a result. Particularly because it's all down to you misusing a word.
Yeah, the bored and the mods at the time decided that line of attack were valid and I could be called anything, I’ve extrapolated that right back to myself.
The very idea of you being a judge on these matters is f ucking hilarious and welcome,
From the US National Library of Medicine..i am more inclined to take their view to be honest.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/
Background
The pandemic of COVID-19 is growing, and a shortage of masks and respirators has been reported globally. Policies of health organizations for healthcare workers are inconsistent, with a change in policy in the US for universal face mask use. The aim of this study was to review the evidence around the efficacy of masks and respirators for healthcare workers, sick patients and the general public.
Methods
A systematic review of randomized controlled clinical trials on use of respiratory protection by healthcare workers, sick patients and community members was conducted. Articles were searched on Medline and Embase using key search terms.
Results
A total of 19 randomised controlled trials were included in this study – 8 in community settings, 6 in healthcare settings and 5 as source control. Most of these randomised controlled trials used different interventions and outcome measures. In the community, masks appeared to be effective with and without hand hygiene, and both together are more protective. Randomised controlled trials in health care workers showed that respirators, if worn continually during a shift, were effective but not if worn intermittently. Medical masks were not effective, and cloth masks even less effective. When used by sick patients randomised controlled trials suggested protection of well contacts.
Conclusion
The study suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic. The studies of masks as source control also suggest a benefit, and may be important during the COVID-19 pandemic in universal community face mask use as well as in health care settings. Trials in healthcare workers support the use of respirators continuously during a shift. This may prevent health worker infections and deaths from COVID-19, as aerosolisation in the hospital setting has been documented.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/
Background
The pandemic of COVID-19 is growing, and a shortage of masks and respirators has been reported globally. Policies of health organizations for healthcare workers are inconsistent, with a change in policy in the US for universal face mask use. The aim of this study was to review the evidence around the efficacy of masks and respirators for healthcare workers, sick patients and the general public.
Methods
A systematic review of randomized controlled clinical trials on use of respiratory protection by healthcare workers, sick patients and community members was conducted. Articles were searched on Medline and Embase using key search terms.
Results
A total of 19 randomised controlled trials were included in this study – 8 in community settings, 6 in healthcare settings and 5 as source control. Most of these randomised controlled trials used different interventions and outcome measures. In the community, masks appeared to be effective with and without hand hygiene, and both together are more protective. Randomised controlled trials in health care workers showed that respirators, if worn continually during a shift, were effective but not if worn intermittently. Medical masks were not effective, and cloth masks even less effective. When used by sick patients randomised controlled trials suggested protection of well contacts.
Conclusion
The study suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic. The studies of masks as source control also suggest a benefit, and may be important during the COVID-19 pandemic in universal community face mask use as well as in health care settings. Trials in healthcare workers support the use of respirators continuously during a shift. This may prevent health worker infections and deaths from COVID-19, as aerosolisation in the hospital setting has been documented.
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Well, given I accepted your complaint at the time and said I'd never mentioned it again, which I stuck to, it was something I remembered. If your son being on the spectrum is important to you I find it very strange that you're happy to use autism as an insult simply because other people are happy to do the same. If you feel judged, well, that's on you I guess.
It wasn’t just you, if you’ve an issue with the bored and mods regarding this , they don’t think it was an issue.
I didn’t use it as an “insult” , I used it as a description.
I do love that it’s you dictating on this though.
It's using the placebo effect as a metaphor for any activity that doesn't actually do the thing people think it does but does make them happier.sefton wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:07 pmThat’s not a placebo effect.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:51 am The “placebo” in effect is that of making people feel safer from infection because people are wearing masks.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
It's a rather ignorant metaphor (the point of the placebo effect isn't just that it reassures you but that you actually experience the results that you expect just because you believe in it - so in this case you should actually be less likely to catch the disease).
It's also a poor choice of metaphor to use in a medical context where people might reasonably believe you were actually talking about the placebo effect.
Wha daur meddle wi' me?
Saying people have autism because they're arguing with you is intended as an insult. Otherwise, why even say it? You're not a doctor.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:20 pmWell, given I accepted your complaint at the time and said I'd never mentioned it again, which I stuck to, it was something I remembered. If your son being on the spectrum is important to you I find it very strange that you're happy to use autism as an insult simply because other people are happy to do the same. If you feel judged, well, that's on you I guess.
It wasn’t just you, if you’ve an issue with the bored and mods regarding this , they don’t think it was an issue.
I didn’t use it as an “insult” , I used it as a description.
What am I dictating? Why is it notable that it's me?I do love that it’s you dictating on this though.
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Anyone feeling substantially safer because of people wearing masks in the community is right ?
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Hi, I think you are new here so just so you know, on this bored you don't need to leave spaces to swear, it's allowed.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:06 pmJM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:04 pmA long time ago you rightly complained when I suggested you were on the spectrum as an insult, because you said your son has Aspergers or similar and you figured you might be on the spectrum as well.Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:51 am The “placebo” in effect is that of making people feel safer from infection because people are wearing masks.
The autism and linear thinking of some posters is hilarious.
It seems strange to see you labelling other posters as autistic as a result. Particularly because it's all down to you misusing a word.
Yeah, the bored and the mods at the time decided that line of attack were valid and I could be called anything, I’ve extrapolated that right back to myself.
The very idea of you being a judge on these matters is f ucking hilarious and welcome,
Wanker. See?
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He's just so tedious
It's not a fun thing to engage with Bimbo for too long.
It's not a fun thing to engage with Bimbo for too long.
Bimbo is taking his placebo right now. He’s not perma banned at the bored. And hate is such a vengeful word - I’m sure 99% of those who engage with him, don’t hate him. Sure they get pissed off with his mindless argumentative style and pigheaded nonsense but hate? Nah,...
Indeed.Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:02 pm He's just so tedious
It's not a fun thing to engage with Bimbo for too long.
Yet a whole bunch of posters who seem to despise him, for some reason followed him over once he was banned.
To set him and the world straight, no doubt!
I realise your persona on PR was one of trying to ape the bigger trolls, but you're not really fooling anyone here. Bimbo is by some distance the most prolific poster on PR and has aggravated the vast majority of the board at one point or another. Any diaspora containing a cross-section of PR posters is likely to have people with strong opinions on Bimbo, and his posting style is one of total war on every topic.Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:06 pmIndeed.Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:02 pm He's just so tedious
It's not a fun thing to engage with Bimbo for too long.
Yet a whole bunch of posters who seem to despise him, for some reason followed him over once he was banned.
To set him and the world straight, no doubt!
'Followed him over' is proper Bimbo fanbois rhetoric... you must be a Bimbo multi.Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:06 pmIndeed.Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:02 pm He's just so tedious
It's not a fun thing to engage with Bimbo for too long.
Yet a whole bunch of posters who seem to despise him, for some reason followed him over once he was banned.
To set him and the world straight, no doubt!
Also - Zapp Brannigan
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So that stable brexit/libertarian nut job, Ann Widdecombe has a great idea...
Will staff in these shops get addede danger pay for the hour?
and then quaratine the lot of them for 14 days, placebo effect or not“Perhaps shops should allow certain hours when the mask dissenters can shop unmuzzled in the same way as they have allocated special times to the elderly,”
Will staff in these shops get addede danger pay for the hour?
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
He's relentless. I just put him on ignore because it's not worth reading.Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:02 pm He's just so tedious
It's not a fun thing to engage with Bimbo for too long.