Let's hope that he does.tc27 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:18 pm RWC final redux...at least we can share the misery this time.
Gatland has plenty of material for a Rassie-esc moanfest will be interesting to see if he does it.
who is whinging?Begbie wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:39 pm SA deserved winners but their fans are still whinging like fuck
Take a peek on social media. Tedious cunts.boere wors wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:40 pmwho is whinging?Begbie wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:39 pm SA deserved winners but their fans are still whinging like fuck
My answer to that, and it’s not a go at you, would be so what.Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 pmSlick wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:38 pmNot just that. The constant appealing to the ref, diving, winding up the opposition, constant TMO, the whole fucking lot.Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:31 pm
I'm getting that way myself. The game is turning into a turgid shit show which gets harder and harder to enjoy.
Not the sport I grew up with but I hope WR enjoy all the millions of new fans they are attracting at the expense of everything that was good about rugby
Did you not enjoy how Quins won the Prem? The way Glasgow play, Toulouse and Racing likewise?
The Kiwis are playing high tempo high skill rugby, France are rediscovering their flair.. there is lots to enjoy imo.
That performance from the Lions was terrible, anti rugby and I’m quite happy they lost because of it, but credit to SA, they were worthy winners
When actually doesn’t that general statement apply.Begbie wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:42 pmTake a peek on social media. Tedious cunts.boere wors wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:40 pmwho is whinging?Begbie wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:39 pm SA deserved winners but their fans are still whinging like fuck
Slick wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:50 pmMy answer to that, and it’s not a go at you, would be so what.Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 pmSlick wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:38 pm
Not just that. The constant appealing to the ref, diving, winding up the opposition, constant TMO, the whole fucking lot.
Not the sport I grew up with but I hope WR enjoy all the millions of new fans they are attracting at the expense of everything that was good about rugby
Did you not enjoy how Quins won the Prem? The way Glasgow play, Toulouse and Racing likewise?
The Kiwis are playing high tempo high skill rugby, France are rediscovering their flair.. there is lots to enjoy imo.
That performance from the Lions was terrible, anti rugby and I’m quite happy they lost because of it, but credit to SA, they were worthy winners
The Colgate Lions tests are the pinnacle of the sport and it has been completely defiled this week. So what if Quins are playing well, or Thurrock 3rds have banned their 7 for some over exuberance, this is the top and the top stinks.
We have lost any moral high ground we had over any other sport.
I’d also take a bit of exception to congratulating SA, and that goes against all my prior stances. Their behaviour this week has been the worst in rugby history and has destroyed any little faith a lot of people had in the game, fuck them.
I also missed last week's game while driving down to Cornwall, even though I had no big issues with the traffic (much worse coming home though). I even missed the 1st half on the radio as I didn't realise it was on Talksport.PCPhil wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:49 pm Last week I was driving what should have been 6 hours to Cornwall, it turned into 9 hours.
Today it was a 6 hour drive and had the miss-fortune to arrive in time for the game.
What a pile of sh1te. Can’t think of any game in the recent Euro football that was of lower entertainment value. When did the new rule of the number 10 not being allowed to pass come into force. Pains me to say it but please our NZ spiritual guardians need to save us.
How many black guys are killed by the cops in England?JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:20 pm South African fans, of all people, making BLM jokes about Itoje. Really classy, well done chaps.
The guy put his knee into a Bok player's neck. It is kind of ironic isn't it?JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:20 pm South African fans, of all people, making BLM jokes about Itoje. Really classy, well done chaps.
Also there's no fucking way he gets cited for pushing a knee into someone's chest. It wasn't a red card offence.
Part of me thinks that this is the chickens home to roost for rugby fans and media. Over the past 20 years or so there has been times where there has been an outpouring of outrage from fans and media on one referee decision or another, I can think of a number of examples off the top of my head. This in turn places a certain degree of pressure on WR to respond and hence we are now on a slippery slope towards de-valuing the game we have grown up loving.Slick wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:50 pmMy answer to that, and it’s not a go at you, would be so what.Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 pmSlick wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:38 pm
Not just that. The constant appealing to the ref, diving, winding up the opposition, constant TMO, the whole fucking lot.
Not the sport I grew up with but I hope WR enjoy all the millions of new fans they are attracting at the expense of everything that was good about rugby
Did you not enjoy how Quins won the Prem? The way Glasgow play, Toulouse and Racing likewise?
The Kiwis are playing high tempo high skill rugby, France are rediscovering their flair.. there is lots to enjoy imo.
That performance from the Lions was terrible, anti rugby and I’m quite happy they lost because of it, but credit to SA, they were worthy winners
The Colgate Lions tests are the pinnacle of the sport and it has been completely defiled this week. So what if Quins are playing well, or Thurrock 3rds have banned their 7 for some over exuberance, this is the top and the top stinks.
We have lost any moral high ground we had over any other sport.
I’d also take a bit of exception to congratulating SA, and that goes against all my prior stances. Their behaviour this week has been the worst in rugby history and has destroyed any little faith a lot of people had in the game, fuck them.
Makes sense and will hopefully reduce the amount of box kicksSandstorm wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:14 pm If you want to return the game to something more enjoyable AND keep players safe, then outlaw an attacking player from competing in the air for the ball.
You kick it away, you wait for the oppo to catch it first.
Because more than anyone you should understand why racial harmony is necessary and why drawing attention to someone's skin colour as part of a joke at their expense (and a joke at the expense of a movement aimed at racial equality) is a shit thing to do? No-one in SA is ignorant of this stuff. e: to be clear, that's my point: I would expect SA fans to be more clued up on this than the average fan, not accusing you of being racist yokels._Os_ wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:03 pmThe guy put his knee into a Bok player's neck. It is kind of ironic isn't it?JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:20 pm South African fans, of all people, making BLM jokes about Itoje. Really classy, well done chaps.
Also there's no fucking way he gets cited for pushing a knee into someone's chest. It wasn't a red card offence.
And why "South African fans, of all people"? Because of apartheid? Always rich when the British, of all people, try to look down their noses at us. You have no legs to stand on. Quite literally in Itoje's case.
Good postTichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:08 pmSlick wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:50 pmMy answer to that, and it’s not a go at you, would be so what.Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 pm
Did you not enjoy how Quins won the Prem? The way Glasgow play, Toulouse and Racing likewise?
The Kiwis are playing high tempo high skill rugby, France are rediscovering their flair.. there is lots to enjoy imo.
That performance from the Lions was terrible, anti rugby and I’m quite happy they lost because of it, but credit to SA, they were worthy winners
The Colgate Lions tests are the pinnacle of the sport and it has been completely defiled this week. So what if Quins are playing well, or Thurrock 3rds have banned their 7 for some over exuberance, this is the top and the top stinks.
We have lost any moral high ground we had over any other sport.
I’d also take a bit of exception to congratulating SA, and that goes against all my prior stances. Their behaviour this week has been the worst in rugby history and has destroyed any little faith a lot of people had in the game, fuck them.
I'm just saying that rugby has not been represented well this week, not at all, not in the build up nor in the game itself, but that doesn't mean the sport is broken, there is a lot to enjoy about it still.
Rugby doesn't have to be defined by this week, in fact it would be a travesty if it was.
Having said that, I don't really care what Rassie said during the week, just as I don't care what crap Eddie Jones comes out with, or Gatland for that matter, the Springbok team dictated the game today, both in how it was played and the outcome and they deserve congratulations for that.
That is a fundamental of our sport and I'm not going to chuck it out jut because the Lions got their whole approach wrong.
No one mentioned Itoje's race, that's all you. The reference was to BLM and taking the knee.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:19 pmBecause more than anyone you should understand why racial harmony is necessary and why drawing attention to someone's skin colour as part of a joke at their expense (and a joke at the expense of a movement aimed at racial equality) is a shit thing to do? No-one in SA is ignorant of this stuff. e: to be clear, that's my point: I would expect SA fans to be more clued up on this than the average fan, not accusing you of being racist yokels._Os_ wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:03 pmThe guy put his knee into a Bok player's neck. It is kind of ironic isn't it?JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:20 pm South African fans, of all people, making BLM jokes about Itoje. Really classy, well done chaps.
Also there's no fucking way he gets cited for pushing a knee into someone's chest. It wasn't a red card offence.
And why "South African fans, of all people"? Because of apartheid? Always rich when the British, of all people, try to look down their noses at us. You have no legs to stand on. Quite literally in Itoje's case.
I don't think Britain has anything to be proud of here, which is why some of our athletes are doing this in the first place! But maybe a) not being wankers over a rugby player pinning another one to the ground for a few seconds with his knee, and b) invoking BLM and by association Itoje's skin colour is the way to go here.
I mean maybe some of you do genuinely believe he was choking the guy out and it was a red card or whatever - edit, that was actually a Scot
Slick wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:50 pmMy answer to that, and it’s not a go at you, would be so what.Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 pmSlick wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:38 pm
Not just that. The constant appealing to the ref, diving, winding up the opposition, constant TMO, the whole fucking lot.
Not the sport I grew up with but I hope WR enjoy all the millions of new fans they are attracting at the expense of everything that was good about rugby
Did you not enjoy how Quins won the Prem? The way Glasgow play, Toulouse and Racing likewise?
The Kiwis are playing high tempo high skill rugby, France are rediscovering their flair.. there is lots to enjoy imo.
That performance from the Lions was terrible, anti rugby and I’m quite happy they lost because of it, but credit to SA, they were worthy winners
The Colgate Lions tests are the pinnacle of the sport and it has been completely defiled this week. So what if Quins are playing well, or Thurrock 3rds have banned their 7 for some over exuberance, this is the top and the top stinks.
We have lost any moral high ground we had over any other sport.
I’d also take a bit of exception to congratulating SA, and that goes against all my prior stances. Their behaviour this week has been the worst in rugby history and has destroyed any little faith a lot of people had in the game, fuck them.
I agree. Kolbe should have received a red cardTichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:19 pmChilli wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:16 pm Watching the replay.
Biggar is such a fucking Diva at the Kolbe yellow card.
Fuck me he is almost embarrassing as Itoje after he he BLM'ed the Bok.
Itoje could be in trouble via the citing commissioner for that.
Biggar is prone to the sniper in the stands right enough, that and moaning his face off at refs
Kolbe should have seen red, though, it was his second yellowable offence, he got lucky
Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:21 pmI think Itoje misunderstood the message behind taking the knee!Chilli wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:16 pm Watching the replay.
Biggar is such a fucking Diva at the Kolbe yellow card.
Fuck me he is almost embarrassing as Itoje after he he BLM'ed the Bok.
Oh go fuck yourselfJM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:20 pm South African fans, of all people, making BLM jokes about Itoje. Really classy, well done chaps.
Also there's no fucking way he gets cited for pushing a knee into someone's chest. It wasn't a red card offence.
Strange post by JM2K6Chilli wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:59 amOh go fuck yourselfJM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:20 pm South African fans, of all people, making BLM jokes about Itoje. Really classy, well done chaps.
Also there's no fucking way he gets cited for pushing a knee into someone's chest. It wasn't a red card offence.
InterestingA GOODE VIEW ON RASSIEGATE: MOST OF IT IS TRUE
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OPINION: Rassie Erasmus may find himself in hot water with World Rugby, but most of what he said was true, it was an education for fans and my only criticism is he could have been more succinct.
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Posting a 62-minute video to air one’s opinions on contentious refereeing decisions may not be the right way to go about things but, aside from the sheer length of it and the detail he goes into, I don’t think it’s any different to what Warren Gatland did last week.
Gatland utilised the more traditional media to discuss his views on the appointment of Marius Jonker as TMO rather than just going via the official channels so Erasmus has taken things to another level but it has to be one rule for everyone.
The world has moved on and whether you put your point across in a newspaper, on television, on a podcast or via your own social media platforms as a coach, it should be judged the same. Media is media.
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I very much doubt there are any rules specifically regarding the posting of a video on social media by a coach in World Rugby’s age-old lawbook and they need to ensure they’re applying their own laws fairly and consistently, whilst also addressing their own issues.
They remain silent on a lot of matters and we haven’t heard anything from them about the lack of a contingency plan once Brendon Pickerill was unable to fulfil his TMO duties for the first Test.
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That started this whole ball rolling with Jonker then appointed as TMO for all three Tests, Gatland speaking out, Erasmus retaliating and here we are now.
It’ll be interesting to see what their response is but they need to look at themselves as well.
There is no doubt that, particularly in a series such as this one, both teams should be able to get clarity on certain officiating points by the end of Sunday at the latest in order to start preparing for the game the following week and clearly that hasn’t been the case.
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Coaches and players will be debriefing on Sunday and Monday and then team selection is sorted and the game plan for the upcoming game is being worked on so it’s no use getting a response on Tuesday and then having some back and forth.
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Joel Jutge, as World Rugby’s head of match officials, should be contactable and in the current climate when Nic Berry, Ben O’Keeffe and Mathieu Raynal are all in a bubble I’m not sure what they’re doing that means they can’t be clarifying things with coaches at that time.
The actual content of the video is hugely educational for fans, pundits and even players. If it had been done after the culmination of the series and with less implied criticism of Berry specifically, it would have been welcomed by everyone I think.
As it is, Erasmus is clearly very frustrated but is also attempting to gain a similar edge in the second Test to the one he feels Gatland got in the first Test. Who knows whether Gatland’s comments about Jonker meant the got the rub of the green but Erasmus is adopting the same tactic this week, just using more modern means and in far more depth.
You live by the sword and die by the sword and we’ll only be able to judge whether it has been effective come Saturday night. South Africa’s director of rugby will either have egg on his face and look like he lost the plot or it might just look like an inspired move.
Nobody is talking about the players the day before a huge Test, Erasmus has taken everything on his own shoulders and is prepared to face whatever sanctions come his way.
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We’ve seen it in football with Rafa Benitez doing a similar thing but just without the video and in a traditional press conference, to the embarrassment of Steven Gerrard apparently. Now it’s arrived in rugby and gone up a notch. It may not be right but it is entertaining.
The problem is that not many people will have had the time to sit through the full 62 minutes and he could have got the same points across using the same clips in about 15 minutes.
We all want to see characters in the game and we could all benefit from a bit of an education from Rassie. His timing and delivery may get him in trouble on this occasion but I enjoyed it, I just think he could do with a better editor!
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I'm glad we all agree that it was shit. A horrible fortnight for rugby and, as said earlier, capped off by a horrible gameChilli wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:23 pmLet's hope that he does.tc27 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:18 pm RWC final redux...at least we can share the misery this time.
Gatland has plenty of material for a Rassie-esc moanfest will be interesting to see if he does it.
I mean, he started the shit with his EPIC video ref whinge.
Yeah. The shit that came out of both camps is way to soccer like. Both sets of management should be beaten with a wet fish.Enzedder wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:29 amI'm glad we all agree that it was shit. A horrible fortnight for rugby and, as said earlier, capped off by a horrible gameChilli wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:23 pmLet's hope that he does.tc27 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:18 pm RWC final redux...at least we can share the misery this time.
Gatland has plenty of material for a Rassie-esc moanfest will be interesting to see if he does it.
I mean, he started the shit with his EPIC video ref whinge.
"This was a fascinating tactical duel which leaves the series in the balance. What more could you want from a Lions series?"Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:02 pm Jesus christ that game was a festering pile of talentless shit. If only both teams could lose we'd have a fair result.
I hope the final game is better.
Succinct.Chilli wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:59 amOh go fuck yourselfJM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:20 pm South African fans, of all people, making BLM jokes about Itoje. Really classy, well done chaps.
Also there's no fucking way he gets cited for pushing a knee into someone's chest. It wasn't a red card offence.
You referring to this? I ask because I was back searching for something bad.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:20 pm South African fans, of all people, making BLM jokes about Itoje. Really classy, well done chaps.
Also there's no fucking way he gets cited for pushing a knee into someone's chest. It wasn't a red card offence.
Oh get over yourself. I've seen a million 5/6 Nations matches of a similar nature. This was finals rugby, full of mistakes and neither team wanting to risk much. SA scrum and maul was world class. Both SA tries were full of skill and enterprise. The lions were niggly and desperate. They were waiting for a Bok implosion and almost achieved it. Cheslin Kolbe was lucky to stay on and the Am try was marginal. But the Lions created nothing and didn't deserve to win.ASMO wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:21 am If anything, that test match brought the game of rugby into disrepute and both coaches should be hauled up in front of the judiciery. If that is the way the game is going to move forwards, then i may have to find another sport. There was not a single positive thing i could take out of that game, and if that is supposed to be a showcase for the sport, it is royally fucked.
