Afghanistan: that turned out well

[FalseBayFC]

Rumours that 2 PARA are in contact.

What’s that mean to the layman?

2 units actively fighting taliban??

2nd Battalion Parachute Regiment - Hope they're giving those fucks something to remember.

[Jock42]

Rumours that 2 PARA are in contact.

What’s that mean to the layman?

2 units actively fighting taliban??

2nd battalion of the Parachute Reg are in a firefight. Must stress its only rumour

[BlueCollarRugby]

If people don't want to donate, that's fine. To spout shite like that when a bloke is trying to raise money for a terp and his family to be relocated before the Taliban get a hold of them is a complete dickhead move. And to play the fucking victim card to boot? I'm pretty sure nae cunt is holding you, whoever you are, responsible.

Relocate over here so they can breed and sponge yeah ok. Let’s let their whole “army” of deserters in to Europe as well, a lot of them thrive in the drug dealing, stabbing and raping industry we are building for ourselves.

Too far BCR. Take a week off - last warning before that becomes permanent

[Jock42]

If people don't want to donate, that's fine. To spout shite like that when a bloke is trying to raise money for a terp and his family to be relocated before the Taliban get a hold of them is a complete dickhead move. And to play the fucking victim card to boot? I'm pretty sure nae cunt is holding you, whoever you are, responsible.

Relocate over here so they can breed and sponge yeah ok. Let’s let their whole “army” of deserters in to Europe as well, a lot of them thrive in the drug dealing, stabbing and raping industry we are building for ourselves.

Ah. You're one of them.

[mos_eisely_]

[GogLais]

Will Afghanistan go down as one of the worst western foreign policy interventions?

I guess you can't have a ground war against insurgents whilst buying oil off their financial backers and expect all to end well.

Indeed. We’ve been there for twenty years and the Taliban was still in a position to take over the whole country in a matter of - well it seems more like days than weeks.

[SaintK]

If people don't want to donate, that's fine. To spout shite like that when a bloke is trying to raise money for a terp and his family to be relocated before the Taliban get a hold of them is a complete dickhead move. And to play the fucking victim card to boot? I'm pretty sure nae cunt is holding you, whoever you are, responsible.

Relocate over here so they can breed and sponge yeah ok. Let’s let their whole “army” of deserters in to Europe as well, a lot of them thrive in the drug dealing, stabbing and raping industry we are building for ourselves.

Try not to be an even bigger cunt than on the previous page.
Oh and fuck-off noob.............and don't come back!

[Biffer]

If people don't want to donate, that's fine. To spout shite like that when a bloke is trying to raise money for a terp and his family to be relocated before the Taliban get a hold of them is a complete dickhead move. And to play the fucking victim card to boot? I'm pretty sure nae cunt is holding you, whoever you are, responsible.

Relocate over here so they can breed and sponge yeah ok. Let’s let their whole “army” of deserters in to Europe as well, a lot of them thrive in the drug dealing, stabbing and raping industry we are building for ourselves.

So Blue Collar now means racist shitebag? Understood.

[Line6 HXFX]

So how come us westerners are now so concerned about the women, their education and futures..when we have been killing innocent men women and children.. and running over them with Humvees etc and drone striking them for the last 20 years?

We all knew how this was going to end.

They Afghanis are all just fucking drug dealers and drug producers, clinging on to their land and property..and fighting for what is theirs.

It will all become far more civilised and stable without us there.

It may take a few weeks.

[stunt_cunt]

All over by lunchtime tomorrow. 20 years of being beaten up and the Taliban walk it in with AK’s, RPG’, some discarded Ford Bronco and the Toyota Hiluxes that were originally used against the USSR inside a month. Twenty years and the result is just another piece of the jigsaw gifted to China.

[Hugo]

Will Afghanistan go down as one of the worst western foreign policy interventions?

I don't think so because it is comparable with earlier efforts that also ended in failure for the foreign interventionists. I think this could be categorised as the resumption of normal service.

Moreover, at the time of the invasion of Afghanistan the rationale for going in there was completely sound as it was a training ground for AQ and it was where Bin Laden was believed to be hiding. The inability to build a functioning, sustainable state after the swift defeat of the Taliban in the first instance is of course the real failure but with all things considered (the primary focus on AQ, the pivot to Iraq, the support Pakistan provided) I'm not sure that was ever likely.

It's so unbelievably sad that so many people have paid a heavy price for Afghanistan to be back at square one exactly twenty years later but I really hope that lessons have been learned from this.

[Ymx]

So the president has bailed it would seem

[Brazil]

So the president has bailed it would seem

Probably wise given what the Taliban did to najibdullah when they took Kabul last time round.

[laurent]

I am a cunt

Quite

[BlueCollarRugby]

I am a cunt

Quite

Ooh nooo nasty, racist man actually cares about his own people first, bad, very bad man. He should just not give a shit or even be happy that it’s soon going to be like Afghanistan here, already is in many parts.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dail ... ondon.html

Afghan wanted in connection with 13-year-old Austrian girl's gang-rape and murder is arrested in London

Stupid little White bitch, who cares about her, the savage hillmen thousands of miles and hundreds of years away take priority

[Margin__Walker]

Is this some weird DAC multi?

Seems a bit much even for him

[Lobby]

Some more reasons here why this sudden withdrawal of US troops is a betrayal of a society that was starting to rebuild itself.

[Ymx]

Some more reasons here why this sudden withdrawal of US troops is a betrayal of a society that was starting to rebuild itself.

Blimey it’s just terrifying what’s in store for these people.

[Lobby]

Some more reasons here why this sudden withdrawal of US troops is a betrayal of a society that was starting to rebuild itself.

Blimey it’s just terrifying what’s in store for these people.

The BBC correspondent Yalda Hakim has reported that in Herat, now under Taliban control, when women tried to enter the grounds of their University today they were told to go home. Women working in offices also turned away. Schools have been shut down.

[inactionman]

I am a cunt

Quite

Ooh nooo nasty, racist man actually cares about his own people first, bad, very bad man. He should just not give a shit or even be happy that it’s soon going to be like Afghanistan here, already is in many parts.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dail ... ondon.html

Afghan wanted in connection with 13-year-old Austrian girl's gang-rape and murder is arrested in London

Stupid little White bitch, who cares about her, the savage hillmen thousands of miles and hundreds of years away take priority

True, we had no rape in the UK before we let the Afghans in

[Slick]

Is this some weird DAC multi?

Seems a bit much even for him

It’s too stupid even for DAC

[Blackmac]

Rumours that 2 PARA are in contact.

My mate's son is out there. First deployment.

[sockwithaticket]

Is this some weird DAC multi?

Seems a bit much even for him

It sounds like DAC minus any pretense at not being a disgustingly racist goober.

[Jock42]

Rumours that 2 PARA are in contact.

My mate's son is out there. First deployment.

Best of British to him. HERRICK 10 just seems like a distant memory now, can't express how deflated I am this weekend.

[Hugo]

Hope you are doing ok Jock. All the things you did over there to make it a better, safer place will have certainly improved peoples lives and maybe the full fruits of those efforts will be realised at some point in the future. Take care of yourself.

[Jock42]

Hope you are doing ok Jock. All the things you did over there to make it a better, safer place will have certainly improved peoples lives and maybe the full fruits of those efforts will be realised at some point in the future. Take care of yourself.

Cheers mate.

[tc27]

Sounds like a big airlift going in tonight - apparently the ambassador is camped out in the airport issuing visas.

[fishfoodie]

I'm finding all the people; from all parts of the Political spectrum; calling it; disgraceful, or whatever; faintly ridiculous.

How exactly did they think this would end ?

The NATO forces have been in Country; if not; "in charge", for twenty years now; & never in all that time could they ever have claimed to be, "in control" of the country.

The kids who were charged with keeping the Taliban out of the cites; weren't even born when this started; how long should NATO stay there ?, someone else mentioned how NATO support units were still critical to maintaining things ... twenty years in !!!

The options were; convert a significant portion of the Afghan population to a military project; to kill another significant portion of the Afghan population ..... or just stay there indefinitely.

I'd have thought that the attempts of; "Nation Building", in Iraq; would have taught even the dullest of Politicians; that you can't build a nation; where one hasn't existed before, & that all they were doing; was raising the expectations of the most oppressed groups of people in Afghanistan; whom they would inevitably throw to the wolves.

If the US wants to do a little Nation building on the middle east; they could start the ball rolling, by dropping a nuke on Riyadh; & making sure that as many members of the House of Saud are vaporized as possible !

[Kiwias]

If people don't want to donate, that's fine. To spout shite like that when a bloke is trying to raise money for a terp and his family to be relocated before the Taliban get a hold of them is a complete dickhead move. And to play the fucking victim card to boot? I'm pretty sure nae cunt is holding you, whoever you are, responsible.

Relocate over here so they can breed and sponge yeah ok. Let’s let their whole “army” of deserters in to Europe as well, a lot of them thrive in the drug dealing, stabbing and raping industry we are building for ourselves.

Too far BCR. Take a week off - last warning before that becomes permanent

Just wondering whether a ban after a mere 6 posts is some kind of new record. It is pretty impressive.

[Kiwias]

Hope you are doing ok Jock. All the things you did over there to make it a better, safer place will have certainly improved peoples lives and maybe the full fruits of those efforts will be realised at some point in the future. Take care of yourself.

[Kiwias]

A poster from PR known as DP is now a journalist in Kabul. Here is his take on the situation.

Well that was as busy a day as I have ever had. No chance for golf at all ...
Taliban on outskirts of Afghan capital, poised to take power
The Taliban was on the brink of total victory in Afghanistan on Sunday, with its fighters ordered to wait on the outskirts of the capital and the government conceding it was preparing for a "transfer of power".
The Taliban's militants surrounded Kabul following an astonishing rout of government forces and warlord militias achieved in just 10 days.
The fall of Kabul would see the hardline Islamic group take back power two decades after US-led forces toppled it in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks.
"The Islamic Emirate instructs all its forces to stand at the gates of Kabul, not to try to enter the city," a spokesman for the Taliban tweeted as residents reported insurgents on the outskirts of the city.
"Until the completion of the transition process, the responsibility for the security of Kabul is with the other side (the Afghan government)".
President Ashraf Ghani -- who most expect to resign in days, if not hours -- conceded as much, and in a video message released to media urged what remains of his security forces to maintain law and order.
There are fears of a security vacuum in the capital as thousands of police and other armed services members have abandoned their posts, uniforms and even weapons.
"It is our responsibility and we will do it in the best possible manner," Ghani said, hours after the Taliban seized two nearby prisons and released thousands of inmates.
"Anyone who thinks about chaos, plunder or looting will be tackled with force," he added.
The government signalled earlier there were negotiations underway to avoid bloodshed in Kabul, and to hand power to the Taliban.
"The Afghan people should not worry... there will be no attack on the city and there will be a peaceful transfer of power to the transitional government," Interior Minister Abdul Sattar Mirzakwal said in a recorded speech.
But the Taliban's imminent takeover triggered fear and panic in Kabul among residents fearful of the group's hardline brand of Islam.
- Isolated -
The scale and speed of the insurgents' advance have shocked Afghans and the US-led alliance that poured billions into the country over the past two decades.
Ghani's government was left completely isolated on Sunday after the insurgents overran the anti-Taliban northern stronghold of Mazar-i-Sharif and the eastern city of Jalalabad.
Like with most of the other captured cities, the seizure of power came after government forces surrendered or retreated.
It left the Taliban holding all the cards in any negotiated surrender of the capital.
- Evacuations -
President Joe Biden ordered the deployment of an additional 1,000 US troops to help secure the emergency evacuation from Kabul of embassy employees and thousands of Afghans who worked for American forces and now fear Taliban reprisals.
That was on top of the 3,000 American soldiers deployed in recent days, and 1,000 left in-country after Biden announced in May that the final withdrawal of the 20-year military presence in Afghanistan would be completed by September 11.
That decision has come under increased scrutiny given the collapse of the Afghan armed forces, but he insisted Saturday there was no choice.
"I was the fourth president to preside over an American troop presence in Afghanistan -- two Republicans, two Democrats. I would not, and will not, pass this war onto a fifth," Biden said.
Videos posted on pro-Taliban social media accounts showed the group's heavily armed fighters in cities across the country, waving white flags and greeting locals.
Most of the fighters appeared young, suggesting they were most likely infants or unborn when the Taliban was toppled from power in 2001.
In Mazar-i-Sharif, warlords Abdul Rashid Dostum and Atta Mohammad Noor, who had led a militia resistance in the city to support government forces, had fled to Uzbekistan, about 30 kilometres to the north, an aide to Noor said.
- Panic -
As the Taliban closed in on the capital, panicked residents swarmed banks for a second straight day, hoping to withdraw their savings.
Many were already resigned to the Taliban taking power.
"My only wish is that their return leads to peace. That is all we want," said Kabul shopkeeper Tariq Nezami.
There were also signs people were already resigned to changing their lives to accommodate the resurgent regime.
A worker was seen Sunday whitewashing advertising billboards on a beauty parlour featuring a glamorous bride.
For the tens of thousands who have sought refuge in Kabul in recent weeks, the overwhelming mood was one of apprehension and fear.
One doctor who arrived in the capital with his 35-strong family from Kunduz said he planned to return today.
"I am worried there will be a lot of fighting here. I would rather return home, where I know it has stopped," he told AFP, asking not to be named.

[stunt_cunt]

DP say what the hash was like in Afghanistan?

[Kiwias]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Taliban fighters wandering around the Presidential palace are far better behaved than the insurrectionists who stormed the US Capitol on 6 January?

[Enzedder]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Taliban fighters wandering around the Presidential palace are far better behaved than the insurrectionists who stormed the US Capitol on 6 January?

[Ymx]

I’m assuming this happened without the Afghans fighting.

Aside from pay, which I’d argue is less important than what lies ahead. Why didn’t they fight? Given the alleged numerical advantage they had. As well as equipment ?

Were they ok with what the Taliban will bring? Or were they terrified what would happen to them and families if they did fight and were captured?

[Certain Navigator]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Taliban fighters wandering around the Presidential palace are far better behaved than the insurrectionists who stormed the US Capitol on 6 January?

Only if one ignores the trail of dead bodies in their wake.

[Slick]

I’m assuming this happened without the Afghans fighting.

Aside from pay, which I’d argue is less important than what lies ahead. Why didn’t they fight? Given the alleged numerical advantage they had. As well as equipment ?

Were they ok with what the Taliban will bring? Or were they terrified what would happen to them and families if they did fight and were captured?

Because every bit of support they had disappeared, a lot of them were fighting in areas where they had little skin in the game, including fighting on behalf of a corrupt governent. But mostly shit scared about what would happen to them and their families, I imagine. I have nothing but sympathy for them.

[FalseBayFC]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Taliban fighters wandering around the Presidential palace are far better behaved than the insurrectionists who stormed the US Capitol on 6 January?

Except for the part where they burn off girls faces for going to school. Or rape young boys. What a weird comment to make.

[Jock42]

I’m assuming this happened without the Afghans fighting.

Aside from pay, which I’d argue is less important than what lies ahead. Why didn’t they fight? Given the alleged numerical advantage they had. As well as equipment ?

Were they ok with what the Taliban will bring? Or were they terrified what would happen to them and families if they did fight and were captured?

Because every bit of support they had disappeared, a lot of them were fighting in areas where they had little skin in the game, including fighting on behalf of a corrupt governent. But mostly shit scared about what would happen to them and their families, I imagine. I have nothing but sympathy for them.

This. A lot of ANA/P and particularly SF, as well as other staffers like terps, embassy staff etc have been executed already.

I've mentioned above that troops are often redeployed out of their ethnic/tribal areas. ISAF have fucked off and taken most of our air assests. Added to the corruption a lot of the local warlords are now chiefs of police or have been inserted into other positions of power. This has been in the making for a long time.

ETA: When your CoC are popping smoke at the first sign of the Taleban why you should the regular 'jock' stand and fight? A lot of these guys will be war weary, we got to go home, back to the safety of our own nations, there was no such respite for these guys and now there's no chance if winning.

[Brazil]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Taliban fighters wandering around the Presidential palace are far better behaved than the insurrectionists who stormed the US Capitol on 6 January?

Well the insurrectionists in the Capitol didn't face having their hands cut off if they got the upholstery dirty, so that might be a factor.