So, coronavirus...

[fishfoodie]

Would think it unlikely many countries would be able to get over 90% vaccinated.

Well then they either accept that Covid is way more than; just a bad flu; & provision significantly more ICU & general capacity in their hospitals; & accept the resultant unnecessary deaths; or they take measures to give the anti-vaxers the choice of being part of a society; or being the pariahs they deserve to be; with no access to large shared spaces.

Being in a society has responsibilities as well as rights; & you don't get one without the other !

With each mutation of Covid being progressively more aggressive; the 90% vaccination goal, might become 92%, or 95%; & until we get the majority of the planet vaccinated; those mutations will continue to pop up.

[laurent]

Would think it unlikely many countries would be able to get over 90% vaccinated.

Depends I think Ireland is over that for the eligible population and it looks like UAE are on the whole pop. (in french https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... 55770.html) .

France has a number of age group Over 90% (1st dose for the 50 to 79) and is now crawling slowly towards it (87.08% 1dose 83.88 fully)
the 12-17 group is lowest at 64% fully and 72% 1 dose .

[Calculon]

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[Calculon]

Would think it unlikely many countries would be able to get over 90% vaccinated.

Depends I think Ireland is over that for the eligible population and it looks like UAE are on the whole pop. (in french https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... 55770.html) .

France has a number of age group Over 90% (1st dose for the 50 to 79) and is now crawling slowly towards it (87.08% 1dose 83.88 fully)
the 12-17 group is lowest at 64% fully and 72% 1 dose .

Fair enough, there might actually be many countries that manage that. All v impressive, especially for France.

[Calculon]

Would think it unlikely many countries would be able to get over 90% vaccinated.

Well then they either accept that Covid is way more than; just a bad flu; & provision significantly more ICU & general capacity in their hospitals; & accept the resultant unnecessary deaths; or they take measures to give the anti-vaxers the choice of being part of a society; or being the pariahs they deserve to be; with no access to large shared spaces.

Being in a society has responsibilities as well as rights; & you don't get one without the other !

With each mutation of Covid being progressively more aggressive; the 90% vaccination goal, might become 92%, or 95%; & until we get the majority of the planet vaccinated; those mutations will continue to pop up.

Ireland is a small and developed country. It's still seriously impressive to be on track to get 90 plus percentage of 12 plus people vaccinated. I'm stuck in South Africa since the pandemic started. Here the target is 70 percent of adults (18 plus) vaccinated. It's proving difficult to reach that target. Lack of access and lack of demand being the problems. Lack of demand is more vaccine apathy rather than anti vax sentiment. If you're poor and living from week to week, or even from day to day, getting vaccinated is often not a priority. The country also cannot afford western style lockdowns, it would crash the economy and lead to mass civil disobedience.

Cases of covid19 is now very low here since most provinces have exited their third waves, any potential large fourth wave would probably need to be driven by a different variant to the third wave driven delta variant. Hopefully there would be a high enough level of immunity in the population, either through vaccination or previous infections (or combination of both) , to mitigate its effects.

[dpedin]

Looks like we have found the level of deaths which folk think is ok for living with covid? c1,000 per week or c50,000 per year seems to be acceptable to folk and it isn't enough to even warrant a mention on national tv news or newspapers now. Over 136k deaths now and excess deaths currently running at c2,000 over the 5 year average for 2014-2019. Mask wearing is non existent in parts of UK and age of those in ICU is now younger than ever, mostly because they are unvaccinated. Than feck that pandemic is over!

[Calculon]

Yes, looks like it

[tabascoboy]

That was always very likely to be the case, even though it's clearly not ideal and carries a lot of risks. Even so, we've at least come a long way form " all a lot of fuss over nothing" Bimboism and official complacence that we were at 18 months ago.

We have to hope that spikes in infection rate such as in the Northamptonshire area currently are being actively monitored to pinpoint the actual cause, and things just aren't going to be allowed to slip back to where we were nationally up to a few months ago.

[convoluted]

... So who is capable of mounting this "superhuman" or "hybrid" immune response?

People who have had a "hybrid" exposure to the virus. Specifically, they were infected with the coronavirus in 2020 and then immunized with mRNA vaccines this year. "Those people have amazing responses to the vaccine ... they are in the best position to fight the virus." ...

Oh dear, Rinkals.
That's Donald J they're talking about.

He'll be back !!!

[tc27]

Any of the Scottish NPRers getting their vaccine pass app sorted? My mate is having a hard time getting it to work but I suspect our posters are not the nightclub attending demographic....

[GrahamWa]

Any of the Scottish NPRers getting their vaccine pass app sorted? My mate is having a hard time getting it to work but I suspect our posters are not the nightclub attending demographic....

Not managed to get it working yet. It's like they've had to launch it to shut the criticism up. I bet the developer was telling them its not ready, Bit of a shambles but I'm sure it'll work in two weeks time once the newly invented "grace" period lapses.

[Biffer]

I was at a conference this week. Talks, industry exhibit, the whole works. Another bit of normal working it's way back.

[mat the expat]

I was at a conference this week. Talks, industry exhibit, the whole works. Another bit of normal working it's way back.

I couldn't think of anything worse - but we're only just emerging from Lockdown here.

[Slick]

Any of the Scottish NPRers getting their vaccine pass app sorted? My mate is having a hard time getting it to work but I suspect our posters are not the nightclub attending demographic....

We need it to go and watch rugby from next week!

Haven’t tried yet but planning to have a fiddle later

[FalseBayFC]

Would think it unlikely many countries would be able to get over 90% vaccinated.

Well then they either accept that Covid is way more than; just a bad flu; & provision significantly more ICU & general capacity in their hospitals; & accept the resultant unnecessary deaths; or they take measures to give the anti-vaxers the choice of being part of a society; or being the pariahs they deserve to be; with no access to large shared spaces.

Being in a society has responsibilities as well as rights; & you don't get one without the other !

With each mutation of Covid being progressively more aggressive; the 90% vaccination goal, might become 92%, or 95%; & until we get the majority of the planet vaccinated; those mutations will continue to pop up.

Yes thats all well in good for maybe the developed countries. But many (most?) countries have no ability or capacity to 1) reach and maintain even 80 percent 2) do anything significant about their icu and hospital capacities. The majority of the unvaccinated in the world going forward will not be ideological anti-vaxxers. I predict that the entirety of Africa will remain at under 40% vaccinated. How do you shut out 700 million people? These countries have lived with unnecessary deaths forever.

As a result Africa and South America are going to be a very effective incubator and source of mutations. I've read that HIV patients carry this virus for months and that provides a fertile environment for new variations.
https://fortune.com/2021/09/15/south-af ... cientists/


I don't think any country is going to maintain an effectively vaccinated population of much over 60 percent going forward. They may reach a target but surely this is going to have to be a year in year out refreshment cycle. How long can that be maintained for. Even the real champions like New Zealand and Singapore will quickly tire of that.

But anyway, good luck trying to keep the Africans out of Europe based on vaccination passports. We just hop on leaky boats and head for the Greek islands. There are even super helpful German charities who pluck us out of the Med. We don't need passports or any documentation.

[Dogbert]

Any of the Scottish NPRers getting their vaccine pass app sorted? My mate is having a hard time getting it to work but I suspect our posters are not the nightclub attending demographic....

We need it to go and watch rugby from next week!

Haven’t tried yet but planning to have a fiddle later

The apps a mess, and needs sorting now - however you do not need the app - you can download at copy of your vaccination status from NHS Scotland ,and either print it out , our download the image / PDF to your phone

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Any of the Scottish NPRers getting their vaccine pass app sorted? My mate is having a hard time getting it to work but I suspect our posters are not the nightclub attending demographic....

We need it to go and watch rugby from next week!

Haven’t tried yet but planning to have a fiddle later

The apps a mess, and needs sorting now - however you do not need the app - you can download at copy of your vaccination status from NHS Scotland ,and either print it out , our download the image / PDF to your phone

Yup, I don't exist according to the app. And going through the rigmarole to confirm the biometrics is a bit of a pain, so not something I want to have to do repeatedly. I'm not wanting to get into a nightclub anytime soon (ever), but I would like to go to some rugby matches and travel abroad at some point, so I hope they sort it. Getting a paper copy is fine for getting into matches here, but doesn't help with the international travel, from what I hear (not accepted abroad).

[Raggs]

Are you talking about the NHS app? I think if your GP using online booking systems etc, it's all quite smooth (it was very easy for us), but if they're not setup online, then it becomes more of a hassle as you have to contact them I believe.

[Slick]

Any of the Scottish NPRers getting their vaccine pass app sorted? My mate is having a hard time getting it to work but I suspect our posters are not the nightclub attending demographic....

We need it to go and watch rugby from next week!

Haven’t tried yet but planning to have a fiddle later

The apps a mess, and needs sorting now - however you do not need the app - you can download at copy of your vaccination status from NHS Scotland ,and either print it out , our download the image / PDF to your phone

Just read the procedure for getting it on the app… I’m not completely shite with computers and phones but I don’t fancy it. Paper for me

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Are you talking about the NHS app? I think if your GP using online booking systems etc, it's all quite smooth (it was very easy for us), but if they're not setup online, then it becomes more of a hassle as you have to contact them I believe.

No, this is the Scotland-specific app that's solely for showing that you're double vaccinated. The general NHS app isn't applicable for Scotland.

Supposedly more people are having success in registering, but sadly not me. Yesterday it would verify my identity but couldn't find any records under my name. Today when I tried again, it can't even verify my identity. All a bit frustrating. Ho hum.

[Biffer]

Are you talking about the NHS app? I think if your GP using online booking systems etc, it's all quite smooth (it was very easy for us), but if they're not setup online, then it becomes more of a hassle as you have to contact them I believe.

No, this is the Scotland-specific app that's solely for showing that you're double vaccinated. The general NHS app isn't applicable for Scotland.

Supposedly more people are having success in registering, but sadly not me. Yesterday it would verify my identity but couldn't find any records under my name. Today when I tried again, it can't even verify my identity. All a bit frustrating. Ho hum.

All my mates were having trouble to begin with. Most of them in now. It’s just a high demand thing I think.

[dpedin]

Are you talking about the NHS app? I think if your GP using online booking systems etc, it's all quite smooth (it was very easy for us), but if they're not setup online, then it becomes more of a hassle as you have to contact them I believe.

No, this is the Scotland-specific app that's solely for showing that you're double vaccinated. The general NHS app isn't applicable for Scotland.

Supposedly more people are having success in registering, but sadly not me. Yesterday it would verify my identity but couldn't find any records under my name. Today when I tried again, it can't even verify my identity. All a bit frustrating. Ho hum.

All my mates were having trouble to begin with. Most of them in now. It’s just a high demand thing I think.

Yeh - in now and all sorted for me.Bit of a pain to begin with though

[Sandstorm]

3rd/booster jab of Pfiser (regardless of your previous brand) seems to knock a lot more people for six afterwards.

Maybe the body can only take so many unapproved and dangerous vaccines in one year?

Regards Dozy

[Gumboot]

Jacinda's holding a press conference in 10 minutes. New delta cases in Waikato and further afield. Not sounding good at all...

[fishfoodie]

Jacinda's holding a press conference in 10 minutes. New delta cases in Waikato and further afield. Not sounding good at all...

Well; two suggestions.

1) Offer jabs to anyone +12 years old. This generation is happily; more politically, & scientifically aware, & as a result; knows the science, & wants to get the jab, & has a surprising amount of influence on their elders; who might have been sucked in by the arseholes & their anti-vaxxer BS.

2) Setup facilities called; "Terminal care facilities"; preferably right beside crematoriums; so the un-vaxxed know where they're going to get sent to if they get sick; because the full facilities are for the people who believe in medical science when they aren't sick; not the arseholes who only believe when it suits them; i.e. when it's too late !

[tabascoboy]

The linked article in the tweet is paywalled but you can get the gist by reading all the tweets appended to the first one. Whether this is reliable and impartial analysis or trying to point the finger about the "released from lab" POV....

[Calculon]

first reply to that tweet sums up my feelings

If it’s spreading virulently in Wuhan in summer……how was it not spreading virulently around the world also? How many thousands of flights into and out of Wuhan every week? How did it only emerge globally in January/February of 2020….that’s not remotely possible is it?

[tabascoboy]

first reply to that tweet sums up my feelings

If it’s spreading virulently in Wuhan in summer……how was it not spreading virulently around the world also? How many thousands of flights into and out of Wuhan every week? How did it only emerge globally in January/February of 2020….that’s not remotely possible is it?

It's also reported that China was dealing with an outbreak of fatal Swine Fever in 2019, I wonder if the "researchers" even took that into account?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swin ... SKBN20S189

[dpedin]

Guys - don't worry its all over now anyway! We only have c800 deaths a week in the UK due to covid, that's a paltry 42,000 deaths a year. Ok it might go up during winter but this is expected and apparently an acceptable level of deaths for our Government. Ok 34,000 cases of covid a day over the last 7 days will mean a few more deaths to come but, hey ho, that's hardly letting the bodies pile high is it? Let's focus on the more important things like ... stopping a few hundred migrants in dinghies coming over the channel.

[Slick]

My cousins and a very good mate have got it at the moment and suffering badly, think my cousin will end up in hospital- hugely overweight and asthma.

It’s certainly not over

[fishfoodie]

Guys - don't worry its all over now anyway! We only have c800 deaths a week in the UK due to covid, that's a paltry 42,000 deaths a year. Ok it might go up during winter but this is expected and apparently an acceptable level of deaths for our Government. Ok 34,000 cases of covid a day over the last 7 days will mean a few more deaths to come but, hey ho, that's hardly letting the bodies pile high is it? Let's focus on the more important things like ... stopping a few hundred migrants in dinghies coming over the channel.

If three full airplanes crashed every week; you could be fucking sure you'd have a public inquiry within a month; & equally sure that no more planes would be taking off, until some questions were answered !

But hey; who cares if they're dying in ones & twos ?

[dpedin]

Guys - don't worry its all over now anyway! We only have c800 deaths a week in the UK due to covid, that's a paltry 42,000 deaths a year. Ok it might go up during winter but this is expected and apparently an acceptable level of deaths for our Government. Ok 34,000 cases of covid a day over the last 7 days will mean a few more deaths to come but, hey ho, that's hardly letting the bodies pile high is it? Let's focus on the more important things like ... stopping a few hundred migrants in dinghies coming over the channel.

If three full airplanes crashed every week; you could be fucking sure you'd have a public inquiry within a month; & equally sure that no more planes would be taking off, until some questions were answered !

But hey; who cares if they're dying in ones & twos ?

41,000 cases in EU yesterday, 34,000 in the UK! Just as well we left the EU, think what our covid numbers would be like if we hadn't!

[Marylandolorian]

41,000 cases in EU yesterday, 34,000 in the UK! Just as well we left the EU, think what our covid numbers would be like if we hadn't!

Looking at the cases /100k , UK is 50, EU (west) less than 10, even the US with all the crazy mother’s f..kers in the red states is around 30/100k.

Why these numbers in the UK? I like to know as the medias here don’t talk about it.

[Slick]

Guys - don't worry its all over now anyway! We only have c800 deaths a week in the UK due to covid, that's a paltry 42,000 deaths a year. Ok it might go up during winter but this is expected and apparently an acceptable level of deaths for our Government. Ok 34,000 cases of covid a day over the last 7 days will mean a few more deaths to come but, hey ho, that's hardly letting the bodies pile high is it? Let's focus on the more important things like ... stopping a few hundred migrants in dinghies coming over the channel.

I’m sure you’re not meaning too… but let’s not gloss over the shitshow in Scotland as well

[Calculon]

41,000 cases in EU yesterday, 34,000 in the UK! Just as well we left the EU, think what our covid numbers would be like if we hadn't!

Looking at the cases /100k , UK is 50, EU (west) less than 10, even the US with all the crazy mother’s f..kers in the red states is around 30/100k.

Why these numbers in the UK? I like to know as the medias here don’t talk about it.

I'm pretty certain the UK will do more testing than other EU countries although the UK's daily/weekly/monthly death rates are also higher than the likes of Germany, France and Italy - so it makes sense that case numbers are also higher in the UK. I think other EU countries have also relaxed coronavirus restrictions so I have no idea why covid-19 is seemingly worse in the UK.

[_Os_]

first reply to that tweet sums up my feelings

If it’s spreading virulently in Wuhan in summer……how was it not spreading virulently around the world also? How many thousands of flights into and out of Wuhan every week? How did it only emerge globally in January/February of 2020….that’s not remotely possible is it?

Seems unlikely but possible to me. The cases and deaths would've been low in the summer.

The UK's confirmed first death was 30th of January 2020, the man who died had never left the UK in his entire life. His daughter suspected he died of Covid-19 when the pandemic accelerated later in 2020 and had a postmortem done (before then the UK's first confirmed case as the day after he died). For someone to die of Covid-19 in the UK on the 30th of January 2020, means it was in the UK in the wild at least in December 2019 which would predate the first official Chinese statements it existed on the 30th and 31st of December 2019.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/30/daughter ... -13992448/

It's been reported that US intelligence intercepted internal Chinese communications in November 2019 talking about Covid and that the US shared that intelligence with NATO and Israel. How true that is, I have no idea. Brazilian sewerage samples from November 2019 that were later tested for Covid-19, showed it was there in Brazil before the first confirmed case in South America. Tests on tissue samples taken in November 2019 show it was in France and Italy by then also.

Whatever the case it didn't "emerge globally in January/February of 2020", and we knew that last year already, it was fully global by December 2019 at the very latest.

[Biffer]

41,000 cases in EU yesterday, 34,000 in the UK! Just as well we left the EU, think what our covid numbers would be like if we hadn't!

Looking at the cases /100k , UK is 50, EU (west) less than 10, even the US with all the crazy mother’s f..kers in the red states is around 30/100k.

Why these numbers in the UK? I like to know as the medias here don’t talk about it.

I'm pretty certain the UK will do more testing than other EU countries although the UK's daily/weekly/monthly death rates are also higher than the likes of Germany, France and Italy - so it makes sense that case numbers are also higher in the UK. I think other EU countries have also relaxed coronavirus restrictions so I have no idea why covid-19 is seemingly worse in the UK.

The UK has done 4.7 million tests per million population. Germany has done 870k.

[dpedin]

Guys - don't worry its all over now anyway! We only have c800 deaths a week in the UK due to covid, that's a paltry 42,000 deaths a year. Ok it might go up during winter but this is expected and apparently an acceptable level of deaths for our Government. Ok 34,000 cases of covid a day over the last 7 days will mean a few more deaths to come but, hey ho, that's hardly letting the bodies pile high is it? Let's focus on the more important things like ... stopping a few hundred migrants in dinghies coming over the channel.

I’m sure you’re not meaning too… but let’s not gloss over the shitshow in Scotland as well

I'm sure I said UK? Last time I looked that included Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as well as England?

[Calculon]

first reply to that tweet sums up my feelings

If it’s spreading virulently in Wuhan in summer……how was it not spreading virulently around the world also? How many thousands of flights into and out of Wuhan every week? How did it only emerge globally in January/February of 2020….that’s not remotely possible is it?

Seems unlikely but possible to me. The cases and deaths would've been low in the summer.

The UK's confirmed first death was 30th of January 2020, the man who died had never left the UK in his entire life. His daughter suspected he died of Covid-19 when the pandemic accelerated later in 2020 and had a postmortem done (before then the UK's first confirmed case as the day after he died). For someone to die of Covid-19 in the UK on the 30th of January 2020, means it was in the UK in the wild at least in December 2019 which would predate the first official Chinese statements it existed on the 30th and 31st of December 2019.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/30/daughter ... -13992448/

It's been reported that US intelligence intercepted internal Chinese communications in November 2019 talking about Covid and that the US shared that intelligence with NATO and Israel. How true that is, I have no idea. Brazilian sewerage samples from November 2019 that were later tested for Covid-19, showed it was there in Brazil before the first confirmed case in South America. Tests on tissue samples taken in November 2019 show it was in France and Italy by then also.

Whatever the case it didn't "emerge globally in January/February of 2020", and we knew that last year already, it was fully global by December 2019 at the very latest.

It's claiming sars-cov-2 was "spreading virulently" since at least May 2019, when it alleges that a significant increase in spending" was noticed.

I don't know the credentials of the authors "Internet 2.0" , but they allege that there was an increase of
3.5 million sterling spent on "PCR equipment" in Hubei in 2019 from the previous year. Hubei is a province of 58 million. That amount of money is absolute peanuts for spending on, however "Internet 2.0" defined it, "PCR equipment."

It doesn't matter, if it was "spreading virulently" since at least May 2019 in Wuhan, the chances of it not spreading virulently outside of Wuhan till December 2019 is very unlikely. It's a silly report.

[dpedin]

first reply to that tweet sums up my feelings

Seems unlikely but possible to me. The cases and deaths would've been low in the summer.

The UK's confirmed first death was 30th of January 2020, the man who died had never left the UK in his entire life. His daughter suspected he died of Covid-19 when the pandemic accelerated later in 2020 and had a postmortem done (before then the UK's first confirmed case as the day after he died). For someone to die of Covid-19 in the UK on the 30th of January 2020, means it was in the UK in the wild at least in December 2019 which would predate the first official Chinese statements it existed on the 30th and 31st of December 2019.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/30/daughter ... -13992448/

It's been reported that US intelligence intercepted internal Chinese communications in November 2019 talking about Covid and that the US shared that intelligence with NATO and Israel. How true that is, I have no idea. Brazilian sewerage samples from November 2019 that were later tested for Covid-19, showed it was there in Brazil before the first confirmed case in South America. Tests on tissue samples taken in November 2019 show it was in France and Italy by then also.

Whatever the case it didn't "emerge globally in January/February of 2020", and we knew that last year already, it was fully global by December 2019 at the very latest.

It's claiming sars-cov-2 was "spreading virulently" since at least May 2019, when it alleges that a significant increase in spending" was noticed.

I don't know the credentials of the authors "Internet 2.0" , but they allege that there was an increase of
3.8 million spent on "PCR equipment" in Hubei in 2019 from the previous year. Hubei is a province of 58 million. That amount of money is absolute peanuts for spending on, however "Internet 2.0" defined it, "PCR equipment."

It doesn't matter, if it was "spreading virulently" since at least May 2019 in Wuhan, the chances of it not spreading virulently outside of Wuhan till December 2019 is very unlikely. It's a silly report.

25+ million passengers fly into/out of Wuhan each year, many to and from international destinations. I would have thought that some of them might have caught an extremely virulent virus and carried it to other Chinese or overseas destinations pretty quickly and probably in fairly large numbers, certainly within a few weeks or months of the virus spreading through Wuhan? If covid was spreading in Summer then I would have thought it would have been identified by late summer in a number of locations across the world?