When do World Rugby string up Rassie Erasmus?

[sorCrer]

Who was the video intended for anyway, why make it?

Isn't it common practice to query refereeing decisions for clarity before selection? Nigel Owens says it is.

Edit: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... e-21223933

What's the point in you entering this debate if you are just going to be so disingenuous? That entire article is about Rassie being a dick and showing that there are proper channels to go down, which he didn't. Literally the entire article you posted.

The question was 'Who was the video intended for anyway, why make it?'

I was asking if making videos querying refs decisions isn't common practice pointing out that Nigel Owens says it is.

[Slick]

Isn't it common practice to query refereeing decisions for clarity before selection? Nigel Owens says it is.

Edit: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... e-21223933

What's the point in you entering this debate if you are just going to be so disingenuous? That entire article is about Rassie being a dick and showing that there are proper channels to go down, which he didn't. Literally the entire article you posted.

The question was 'Who was the video intended for anyway, why make it?'

I was asking if making videos querying refs decisions isn't common practice pointing out that Nigel Owens says it is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, very Bimbo.

[sorCrer]

What's the point in you entering this debate if you are just going to be so disingenuous? That entire article is about Rassie being a dick and showing that there are proper channels to go down, which he didn't. Literally the entire article you posted.

The question was 'Who was the video intended for anyway, why make it?'

I was asking if making videos querying refs decisions isn't common practice pointing out that Nigel Owens says it is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, very Bimbo.

I couldn't care less if Rassie is found guilty, in fact he clearly is. I do care about your lack of comprehension skills in what I presume is your first language.

[FalseBayFC]

Destroyed goodwill

Most people have probably forgotten about the whole thing anyway.

Good grief, you've never met a rugby blazer type have you.

The blazers in question are a collection of braying Ruperts going on about disrepute and legacy. Most of these types would happily tear up a hotel in their playing days and abuse the staff. They encouraged and glorified on field violence and gamesmanship. They are now sputtering about how coach Rassie single handedly managed to engineer the demise of our great game. Lions legends Sir Ian McGeechan, Willie John McBride, Sir Gareth Edwards, Barry John, and John Taylor wrote an impassioned plea...

LMAO I can almost hear their forehead veins throbbing from here.

[Slick]

The question was 'Who was the video intended for anyway, why make it?'

I was asking if making videos querying refs decisions isn't common practice pointing out that Nigel Owens says it is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, very Bimbo.

I couldn't care less if Rassie is found guilty, in fact he clearly is. I do care about your lack of comprehension skills in what I presume is your first language.

I understood fine. You picked out one tiny part of a post and tried to justify everything with that. As I say, very Bimbo.

[Kawazaki]

Who was the video intended for anyway, why make it?

Isn't it common practice to query refereeing decisions for clarity before selection? Nigel Owens says it is.

Edit: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... e-21223933

Nigel Owens;

...it was done behind closed doors, whether verbally or via email, and never played out in the public domain."


The video about Nic Berry was clearly not a video intended to be sent to Nic Berry.

[FalseBayFC]

The video controversy is weak sauce. Rassie's waterboy antics and game stoppage tactics are unacceptable though. The subs rule could do with some tweaking but he's operated within the rules there so no probs.

Reffing of the pro game needs more scrutiny not less. I don't agree with the way this was done, releasing the video that is. But a lot more work needs to be done achieve a more consistent approach to officiating the game across the various competitions and regions.

[Slick]

The video controversy is weak sauce. Rassie's waterboy antics and game stoppage tactics are unacceptable though. The subs rule could do with some tweaking but he's operated within the rules there so no probs.

Reffing of the pro game needs more scrutiny not less. I don't agree with the way this was done, releasing the video that is. But a lot more work needs to be done achieve a more consistent approach to officiating the game across the various competitions and regions.

Agree with a lot of this and I think Owens covers a fair bit of it in that article. I do think it's a tough balance though between more scrutiny and potentially good refs (any refs) thinking, fuck that, I'm not being moaned at and attacked every week.

[sorCrer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, very Bimbo.

I couldn't care less if Rassie is found guilty, in fact he clearly is. I do care about your lack of comprehension skills in what I presume is your first language.

I understood fine. You picked out one tiny part of a post and tried to justify everything with that. As I say, very Bimbo.

This is exactly the problem with the Internet and associated toxicity. Anything can be easily misconstrued and then twisted by anyone who has little interest in being an honest player.

I asked a question as to whether this was standard practice because:

a) I recall, Rassie alluding to this in his video and saying something along the lines of WR ignored their request for clarity
b) I genuinely was interested as to whether this was the case and taking this into account did some research and found Owen's article saying it was quite common. In fact, I raised this, in this thread in August with a tweet from John Robbie saying that it was SOP.

Let's go back to what I said to you on Friday 20th August:

"FWIW, either Rassie must be sanctioned or everyone must be allowed to do it. I prefer the former."

[Slick]

OK, happy to put it down to an internet miscommunication and move on.

But I'm watching you.

[FalseBayFC]

The video controversy is weak sauce. Rassie's waterboy antics and game stoppage tactics are unacceptable though. The subs rule could do with some tweaking but he's operated within the rules there so no probs.

Reffing of the pro game needs more scrutiny not less. I don't agree with the way this was done, releasing the video that is. But a lot more work needs to be done achieve a more consistent approach to officiating the game across the various competitions and regions.

Agree with a lot of this and I think Owens covers a fair bit of it in that article. I do think it's a tough balance though between more scrutiny and potentially good refs (any refs) thinking, fuck that, I'm not being moaned at and attacked every week.

Until more tech can be introduced, we'll have to live with human error. What has to be improved though is interpretation of the laws. There has to be more consistency.

I reckon a heap more money and effort needs to be invested into this area of the game. Its one of the benefits the Saffers playing in Europe will have. I'm hoping that it will bring a much needed boost to refereeing in our country which is fairly poor at domestic level.

[OomStruisbaai]

Rassie/Nienaber will always challenge the system. They are leaders in this and not followers. Thanks vok for this specially in South Africa where we need it.

[Slick]

The video controversy is weak sauce. Rassie's waterboy antics and game stoppage tactics are unacceptable though. The subs rule could do with some tweaking but he's operated within the rules there so no probs.

Reffing of the pro game needs more scrutiny not less. I don't agree with the way this was done, releasing the video that is. But a lot more work needs to be done achieve a more consistent approach to officiating the game across the various competitions and regions.

Agree with a lot of this and I think Owens covers a fair bit of it in that article. I do think it's a tough balance though between more scrutiny and potentially good refs (any refs) thinking, fuck that, I'm not being moaned at and attacked every week.

Until more tech can be introduced, we'll have to live with human error. What has to be improved though is interpretation of the laws. There has to be more consistency.

I reckon a heap more money and effort needs to be invested into this area of the game. Its one of the benefits the Saffers playing in Europe will have. I'm hoping that it will bring a much needed boost to refereeing in our country which is fairly poor at domestic level.

Totally agree. The laws are a mess really, with some being ignored week in week out and some being reffed strictly or not, depending on the ref. They need a lot more support and a simplification of the laws.

I also think the pro and amateur game should start slowly going it's separate ways in terms of the laws. You can't expect a bloke turning up to ref a 3rd team game on a Saturday to ref the same game as a reffing team that has every bit of technology available.

[sorCrer]

OK, happy to put it down to an internet miscommunication and move on.

But I'm watching you.

Cheers. I'll happily buy you a beer and discuss my far larger gripe about reffing.

How can a situation where there are varying interpretations of the same set of laws between hemispheres (and even countries) be allowed to exist by WR?

[Kawazaki]

Until more tech can be introduced, we'll have to live with human error. What has to be improved though is interpretation of the laws. There has to be more consistency.

I reckon a heap more money and effort needs to be invested into this area of the game. Its one of the benefits the Saffers playing in Europe will have. I'm hoping that it will bring a much needed boost to refereeing in our country which is fairly poor at domestic level.

Erasmus might have got more sympathy if he highlighted times when South Africa benefited from a decision (or non-decision) made by the referee as well. Of course he didn't do that because his video had absolutely nothing to do with an honest mission by him to highlight 'interpretation and consistency' in refereeing. Give him what he wants, martyr the cunt, let South African fans worship a moron and then the rest of us can behave like adults.

[Calculon]

It would be nice to see more refs from different countries and different backgrounds. I reckon if you're from an underprivileged background you might be appreciate the decent salary and international travel more, and so put up with any moaning and critisism. It would also help to promote the game, seeing a black African refereeing, for example, a six nations match would be great IMO.

[Kawazaki]

It would be nice to see more refs from different countries and different backgrounds. I reckon if you're from an underprivileged background you might be appreciate the decent salary and international travel more, and so put up with any moaning and critisism. It would also help to promote the game, seeing a black African refereeing, for example, a six nations match would be great IMO.

Yeah right, because a refs colour, ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation are more important 'optics' than being a good referee.

Fuck right off.

[sorCrer]

It would be nice to see more refs from different countries and different backgrounds. I reckon if you're from an underprivileged background you might be appreciate the decent salary and international travel more, and so put up with any moaning and critisism. It would also help to promote the game, seeing a black African refereeing, for example, a six nations match would be great IMO.

Yeah right, because a refs colour, ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation are more important 'optics' than being a good referee.

Fuck right off.

You're very angry. Can I suggest another rugby forum for you to vent on?

[Kawazaki]

It would be nice to see more refs from different countries and different backgrounds. I reckon if you're from an underprivileged background you might be appreciate the decent salary and international travel more, and so put up with any moaning and critisism. It would also help to promote the game, seeing a black African refereeing, for example, a six nations match would be great IMO.

Yeah right, because a refs colour, ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation are more important 'optics' than being a good referee.

Fuck right off.

You're very angry. Can I suggest another rugby forum for you to vent on?

Not angry at all. Colorful and compendious.

[Grandpa]

Until more tech can be introduced, we'll have to live with human error. What has to be improved though is interpretation of the laws. There has to be more consistency.

I reckon a heap more money and effort needs to be invested into this area of the game. Its one of the benefits the Saffers playing in Europe will have. I'm hoping that it will bring a much needed boost to refereeing in our country which is fairly poor at domestic level.

Erasmus might have got more sympathy if he highlighted times when South Africa benefited from a decision (or non-decision) made by the referee as well. Of course he didn't do that because his video had absolutely nothing to do with an honest mission by him to highlight 'interpretation and consistency' in refereeing. Give him what he wants, martyr the cunt, let South African fans worship a moron and then the rest of us can behave like adults.

This exactly right. He was disingenuous amongst other things... if he was genuinely trying to help the "game" rather than SA in this instance, then a video pointing out ref discrepancies towards both sides would have garnered him so much more support...

[Sards]

Until more tech can be introduced, we'll have to live with human error. What has to be improved though is interpretation of the laws. There has to be more consistency.

I reckon a heap more money and effort needs to be invested into this area of the game. Its one of the benefits the Saffers playing in Europe will have. I'm hoping that it will bring a much needed boost to refereeing in our country which is fairly poor at domestic level.

Erasmus might have got more sympathy if he highlighted times when South Africa benefited from a decision (or non-decision) made by the referee as well. Of course he didn't do that because his video had absolutely nothing to do with an honest mission by him to highlight 'interpretation and consistency' in refereeing. Give him what he wants, martyr the cunt, let South African fans worship a moron and then the rest of us can behave like adults.

You blew it when you generalized about all Saffers, and put yourself on a pedestal. Up to then I was im agreement. Attack individuals who act like tossers but Attack a nation and prepare for war

[Sards]

This exactly right. He was disingenuous amongst other things... if he was genuinely trying to help the "game" rather than SA in this instance, then a video pointing out ref discrepancies towards both sides would have garnered him so much more support...

Exactly...he was acting like a sulky twat

[Chilli]

Rassie is currently all over South African TV endorsing various things. He must be coining it. He's currently pumping Luno a digital currency exchange facility. He's making the most of his 15 minutes of fame and notoriety that's for sure.

I won't be upset if he gets sanctioned because I believe he deserves it. But WR will bottle it and give him a reprimand and a short suspension from say direct involvement with coaching or something like that. But once he's rehabilitated he'll probably head North again for some of that sweet hard currency.

So you believe that he gave to video to the press/ social media?

[Sards]

Rassie is currently all over South African TV endorsing various things. He must be coining it. He's currently pumping Luno a digital currency exchange facility. He's making the most of his 15 minutes of fame and notoriety that's for sure.

I won't be upset if he gets sanctioned because I believe he deserves it. But WR will bottle it and give him a reprimand and a short suspension from say direct involvement with coaching or something like that. But once he's rehabilitated he'll probably head North again for some of that sweet hard currency.

So you believe that he gave to video to the press/ social media?

I believe his head got too big. Those losses to Australia and the ABs humbled him.

[sorCrer]

Rassie is currently all over South African TV endorsing various things. He must be coining it. He's currently pumping Luno a digital currency exchange facility. He's making the most of his 15 minutes of fame and notoriety that's for sure.

I won't be upset if he gets sanctioned because I believe he deserves it. But WR will bottle it and give him a reprimand and a short suspension from say direct involvement with coaching or something like that. But once he's rehabilitated he'll probably head North again for some of that sweet hard currency.

So you believe that he gave to video to the press/ social media?

If he sent it to World Rugby confidentially and someone there leaked it, he is in the clear. Otherwise, it is his responsibility regardless. Personally, I think hanging is too good for him.

[FalseBayFC]

Rassie is currently all over South African TV endorsing various things. He must be coining it. He's currently pumping Luno a digital currency exchange facility. He's making the most of his 15 minutes of fame and notoriety that's for sure.

I won't be upset if he gets sanctioned because I believe he deserves it. But WR will bottle it and give him a reprimand and a short suspension from say direct involvement with coaching or something like that. But once he's rehabilitated he'll probably head North again for some of that sweet hard currency.

So you believe that he gave to video to the press/ social media?

Rassie is a bit of a skelm and likes to push the boundaries so ... maybe?

[SaintK]

Rassie is currently all over South African TV endorsing various things. He must be coining it. He's currently pumping Luno a digital currency exchange facility. He's making the most of his 15 minutes of fame and notoriety that's for sure.

I won't be upset if he gets sanctioned because I believe he deserves it. But WR will bottle it and give him a reprimand and a short suspension from say direct involvement with coaching or something like that. But once he's rehabilitated he'll probably head North again for some of that sweet hard currency.

So you believe that he gave to video to the press/ social media?

If he sent it to World Rugby confidentially and someone there leaked it, he is in the clear. Otherwise, it is his responsibility regardless. Personally, I think hanging is too good for him.

I thought the gallows had been finished some time ago?

[sorCrer]

So you believe that he gave to video to the press/ social media?

If he sent it to World Rugby confidentially and someone there leaked it, he is in the clear. Otherwise, it is his responsibility regardless. Personally, I think hanging is too good for him.

I thought the gallows had been finished some time ago?

from the topic.

[SaintK]

If he sent it to World Rugby confidentially and someone there leaked it, he is in the clear. Otherwise, it is his responsibility regardless. Personally, I think hanging is too good for him.

I thought the gallows had been finished some time ago?

from the topic.

Yes, quite!

[JM2K6]

Isn't it common practice to query refereeing decisions for clarity before selection? Nigel Owens says it is.

Edit: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... e-21223933

What's the point in you entering this debate if you are just going to be so disingenuous? That entire article is about Rassie being a dick and showing that there are proper channels to go down, which he didn't. Literally the entire article you posted.

The question was 'Who was the video intended for anyway, why make it?'

I was asking if making videos querying refs decisions isn't common practice pointing out that Nigel Owens says it is.

Owens doesn't say making videos querying ref decisions is common practice. He goes out of his way to explain just how extraordinary a situation this is.

[sorCrer]

What's the point in you entering this debate if you are just going to be so disingenuous? That entire article is about Rassie being a dick and showing that there are proper channels to go down, which he didn't. Literally the entire article you posted.

The question was 'Who was the video intended for anyway, why make it?'

I was asking if making videos querying refs decisions isn't common practice pointing out that Nigel Owens says it is.

Owens doesn't say making videos querying ref decisions is common practice. He goes out of his way to explain just how extraordinary a situation this is.

"Rassie cited around 27 instances of things he was unhappy with during that first Test defeat.

Is that in itself unusual? No.

I did one high-profile match when the coach whose team had just lost, who I'd rather not name, sent me 48 clips of incidents he felt I had got wrong, outlining what he thought were the reasons why."

...

So as referees we're actually quite accustomed to this kind of detailed video briefing from coaches

[Kawazaki]

The question was 'Who was the video intended for anyway, why make it?'

I was asking if making videos querying refs decisions isn't common practice pointing out that Nigel Owens says it is.

Owens doesn't say making videos querying ref decisions is common practice. He goes out of his way to explain just how extraordinary a situation this is.

"Rassie cited around 27 instances of things he was unhappy with during that first Test defeat.

Is that in itself unusual? No.

I did one high-profile match when the coach whose team had just lost, who I'd rather not name, sent me 48 clips of incidents he felt I had got wrong, outlining what he thought were the reasons why."

...

So as referees we're actually quite accustomed to this kind of detailed video briefing from coaches

What part of the 'done behind closed doors' that Owens also said don't you understand?

[sorCrer]

Owens doesn't say making videos querying ref decisions is common practice. He goes out of his way to explain just how extraordinary a situation this is.

"Rassie cited around 27 instances of things he was unhappy with during that first Test defeat.

Is that in itself unusual? No.

I did one high-profile match when the coach whose team had just lost, who I'd rather not name, sent me 48 clips of incidents he felt I had got wrong, outlining what he thought were the reasons why."

...

So as referees we're actually quite accustomed to this kind of detailed video briefing from coaches

What part of the 'done behind closed doors' that Owens also said don't you understand?

Whether it was 'done behind closed doors' only becomes material if it can be proved Rassie (or one of his cohorts) leaked it. I am trying to establish if it is common practice for a coach to send world rugby a communique (in what ever format) after a match to seek clarification on rulings as alluded to by John Robbie.

[Kawazaki]

"Rassie cited around 27 instances of things he was unhappy with during that first Test defeat.

Is that in itself unusual? No.

I did one high-profile match when the coach whose team had just lost, who I'd rather not name, sent me 48 clips of incidents he felt I had got wrong, outlining what he thought were the reasons why."

...

So as referees we're actually quite accustomed to this kind of detailed video briefing from coaches

What part of the 'done behind closed doors' that Owens also said don't you understand?

Whether it was 'done behind closed doors' only becomes material if it can be proved Rassie (or one of his cohorts) leaked it. I am trying to establish if it is common practice for a coach to send world rugby a communique (in what ever format) after a match to seek clarification on rulings as alluded to by John Robbie.

If you watch the video (I assume you have) then it is obvious that the video was not meant for Nic Berry.

[Chilli]

What part of the 'done behind closed doors' that Owens also said don't you understand?

Whether it was 'done behind closed doors' only becomes material if it can be proved Rassie (or one of his cohorts) leaked it. I am trying to establish if it is common practice for a coach to send world rugby a communique (in what ever format) after a match to seek clarification on rulings as alluded to by John Robbie.

If you watch the video (I assume you have) then it is obvious that the video was not meant for Nic Berry.

And it isn't.
It is meant for the head of referees.

[Kawazaki]

Whether it was 'done behind closed doors' only becomes material if it can be proved Rassie (or one of his cohorts) leaked it. I am trying to establish if it is common practice for a coach to send world rugby a communique (in what ever format) after a match to seek clarification on rulings as alluded to by John Robbie.

If you watch the video (I assume you have) then it is obvious that the video was not meant for Nic Berry.

And it isn't.
It is meant for the head of referees.

So why didn't it include any examples of decisions that Erasmus thought were wrong that went in favour of South Africa?

If the Erasmus defence is going to treat people like naive idiots then don't expect much sympathy.

[assfly]

So why didn't it include any examples of decisions that Erasmus thought were wrong that went in favour of South Africa?

If the Erasmus defence is going to treat people like naive idiots then don't expect much sympathy.

That's the job of the Lions coach.

[Chilli]

So why didn't it include any examples of decisions that Erasmus thought were wrong that went in favour of South Africa?

If the Erasmus defence is going to treat people like naive idiots then don't expect much sympathy.

That's the job of the Lions coach.

Well, yes !

[OomStruisbaai]

Kawazaki soek nie kak nie.

[Kawazaki]

So why didn't it include any examples of decisions that Erasmus thought were wrong that went in favour of South Africa?

If the Erasmus defence is going to treat people like naive idiots then don't expect much sympathy.

That's the job of the Lions coach.

I guess at least when South Africa play, the ball-in-play time is so risible that referees will have fewer decisions to make anyway.