Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Kawazaki]

So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

[Tichtheid]

So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

[Random1]

There are always issues in any timeframe. No point in panicking about it. Are today’s worse than the war? Worse than Cuban missile crisis? Worse than miner strikes, blackouts, bailouts, defaults, double digit interest rates, etc etc?

A proportion of every generation thinks things are unimaginably bad - and they rarely turn out worse than what previous generations had to deal with.

I’ll just be staying calm, focussing on what I can control/influence and ensure I play my role in changing the sector I work in for the better.

Suspect everything else will work out fine too.

My problems with that is that it gives the current government a free pass, and all the bungs and corruption and enrichment of friends and bought acquaintances, all at the expense of everyone who lives in the UK

All government is corrupt in its own way - is what the government are doing worse than Mandleson et al were under blair? Or osbourne?

I know that’s two posts in a row where I’m comparing present and past, and that’s where kawazaki is correct; a bit of stoicism is badly needed in the west at the moment in my view.

Not just the stiff upper lip stuff, but the wider philosophy.

I know you like your philosophy tichtheid, so I won’t teach you to suck eggs.

The understanding that everything that will happen has already happened, is one stoic principle in Aurelius’ meditations that id love people to mull on a while.

[Kawazaki]

So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

With Wendy post on this thread you reveal your ignorance.

Major's government did indeed invent PFI then promptly buried it during their term as it offered such poor value for the taxpayer. This is basic knowledged FFS.

[ScarfaceClaw]

So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

With Wendy post on this thread you reveal your ignorance.

Major's government did indeed invent PFI then promptly buried it during their term as it offered such poor value for the taxpayer. This is basic knowledged FFS.

Why do you hate Wendy?

[Kawazaki]

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

With Wendy post on this thread you reveal your ignorance.

Major's government did indeed invent PFI then promptly buried it during their term as it offered such poor value for the taxpayer. This is basic knowledged FFS.

Why do you hate Wendy?

Wendy is predictive text. The slag.

[Tichtheid]

So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

With Wendy post on this thread you reveal your ignorance.

Major's government did indeed invent PFI then promptly buried it during their term as it offered such poor value for the taxpayer. This is basic knowledged FFS.

The basic knowledge FFs is available on Wikipedia

It, PFI, was initiated in 92 and as the quote says "expanded considerably in 96" the year before Labour took office, but I still agree with you that this right wing initiative to take public spending off the books was wrong

[Tichtheid]

So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

With Wendy post on this thread you reveal your ignorance.

Major's government did indeed invent PFI then promptly buried it during their term as it offered such poor value for the taxpayer. This is basic knowledged FFS.

Wendy or not, do you find it impossible to post without insult?

[Tichtheid]

There are always issues in any timeframe. No point in panicking about it. Are today’s worse than the war? Worse than Cuban missile crisis? Worse than miner strikes, blackouts, bailouts, defaults, double digit interest rates, etc etc?

A proportion of every generation thinks things are unimaginably bad - and they rarely turn out worse than what previous generations had to deal with.

I’ll just be staying calm, focussing on what I can control/influence and ensure I play my role in changing the sector I work in for the better.

Suspect everything else will work out fine too.

My problems with that is that it gives the current government a free pass, and all the bungs and corruption and enrichment of friends and bought acquaintances, all at the expense of everyone who lives in the UK

All government is corrupt in its own way - is what the government are doing worse than Mandleson et al were under blair? Or osbourne?

I know that’s two posts in a row where I’m comparing present and past, and that’s where kawazaki is correct; a bit of stoicism is badly needed in the west at the moment in my view.

Not just the stiff upper lip stuff, but the wider philosophy.

I know you like your philosophy tichtheid, so I won’t teach you to suck eggs.

The understanding that everything that will happen has already happened, is one stoic principle in Aurelius’ meditations that id love people to mull on a while.

Random1, I don't think that everything is fine, I think that we are in great jeopardy. It's not enough to shrug things off by saying all governments are corrupt to a degree and where we are is fine.
Populism has made discourse and debate impossible,

I'll try to come back on this

[Random1]

My problems with that is that it gives the current government a free pass, and all the bungs and corruption and enrichment of friends and bought acquaintances, all at the expense of everyone who lives in the UK

All government is corrupt in its own way - is what the government are doing worse than Mandleson et al were under blair? Or osbourne?

I know that’s two posts in a row where I’m comparing present and past, and that’s where kawazaki is correct; a bit of stoicism is badly needed in the west at the moment in my view.

Not just the stiff upper lip stuff, but the wider philosophy.

I know you like your philosophy tichtheid, so I won’t teach you to suck eggs.

The understanding that everything that will happen has already happened, is one stoic principle in Aurelius’ meditations that id love people to mull on a while.

Random1, I don't think that everything is fine, I think that we are in great jeopardy. It's not enough to shrug things off by saying all governments are corrupt to a degree and where we are is fine.
Populism has made discourse and debate impossible,

I'll try to come back on this

No worries - we rarely agree mate - people like you are why I like this place - it’s defo not an echo chamber.

[Ymx]

err no, I don't want it to be bad.

If I thought everything was tickety boo then why TF would I want change?

Because you hate the Tories.

Well, I do, but if I thought that Health, Education, infrastructure, (it's late, I'm struggling) and everything else was being looked after and that people were genuinely being taken care of when they needed it, would I seek change?

Yes, I'd want these things to be better done for, but I also know that it's very difficult to do it, but these things should not be for the enrichment of friends of those who award the contracts/ provision

Come on, when has anyone EVER been satisfied with those components of any government, and where it’s not in the needs improving camp.

[Ymx]

Oh and Wendy is a cunt. Someone had to say it.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Stop voting for Wendy.

[Insane_Homer]

[Ymx]

Disgraceful. Stop voting for Nadine.

What are we angry about?

[fishfoodie]

Disgraceful. Stop voting for Nadine.

What are we angry about?

Because Brexit & Trucker shortages are causing shortages of the chemicals to treat waste water; the Tories gave the water companies carte blanche to dump as much raw sewage into the UKs waterways as they like.

[sockwithaticket]

Disgraceful. Stop voting for Nadine.

What are we angry about?

Because Brexit & Trucker shortages are causing shortages of the chemicals to treat waste water; the Tories gave the water companies carte blanche to dump as much raw sewage into the UKs waterways as they like.

Which makes Boris prattling on about otters returning to waterways during his conference speach even more asinine. They're probably going to scarper again pretty fucking quickly as we poison the rivers.

[fishfoodie]

Disgraceful. Stop voting for Nadine.

What are we angry about?

Because Brexit & Trucker shortages are causing shortages of the chemicals to treat waste water; the Tories gave the water companies carte blanche to dump as much raw sewage into the UKs waterways as they like.

Which makes Boris prattling on about otters returning to waterways during his conference speach even more asinine. They're probably going to scarper again pretty fucking quickly as we poison the rivers.

It's not going to do wonders for the shellfish producers either; unless you like your oysters, shit flavoured

[Torquemada 1420]

Because Brexit & Trucker shortages are causing shortages of the chemicals to treat waste water; the Tories gave the water companies carte blanche to dump as much raw sewage into the UKs waterways as they like.

Which makes Boris prattling on about otters returning to waterways during his conference speach even more asinine. They're probably going to scarper again pretty fucking quickly as we poison the rivers.

It's not going to do wonders for the shellfish producers either; unless you like your oysters, shit flavoured

McDonalds will have a new offering right about then.

Not clear to me why the media never challenged the "loan" bollox to the gas cos either. A loan is not a loan if you know the borrower is going to go bust and never repay.

[Insane_Homer]

The home secretary should really weed out these foreigners that can't even speak the language and deport them back to where they came from!

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

Staged anyone?

[dpedin]

Staged anyone?

Ouch!

[Lobby]

Staged anyone?

Ouch!

I think it would be more accurate to say he used to be a Tory.

Coleshill was originally elected to Enfield Council in 2018 as a Conservative, but was suspended from the party a few months later when he was accused of making racist remarks in a council meeting; he had asked whether the Turkish family of a Labour councillor had “brought a classroom with them”.

He remained on the Council as an independent until June this year, when he was kicked off the Council for failing to attend any meetings for over 6 months. A by-election was held to replace him in July.

So he was only actually a Tory for a few months in 2018. It also seems pretty clear he’s now a bona fide loon and ‘lockdown sceptic’. In November last year he was charged with breaching lockdown restrictions after attending a public gathering in Hyde Park. He entered a ‘not guilty’ plea in court but the case was later dismissed and a fixed penalty notice issued instead.

[JM2K6]

Yeah uh the problem of MPs being accosted isn't limited to people from other parties; you're just as likely to get harangued by people who are supposed to be on 'your' team. The Tories have courted the lunatics for a while so always risk this, and Labour has plenty of fringe weirdos and the momentum types to take aim at their own MPs.

[Ymx]

Staged anyone?

Ouch!

I think it would be more accurate to say he used to be a Tory.

Coleshill was originally elected to Enfield Council in 2018 as a Conservative, but was suspended from the party a few months later when he was accused of making racist remarks in a council meeting; he had asked whether the Turkish family of a Labour councillor had “brought a classroom with them”.

He remained on the Council as an independent until June this year, when he was kicked off the Council for failing to attend any meetings for over 6 months. A by-election was held to replace him in July.

So he was only actually a Tory for a few months in 2018. It also seems pretty clear he’s now a bona fide loon and ‘lockdown sceptic’. In November last year he was charged with breaching lockdown restrictions after attending a public gathering in Hyde Park. He entered a ‘not guilty’ plea in court but the case was later dismissed and a fixed penalty notice issued instead.

Don’t go ruining the narrative

[sturginho]

Yeah uh the problem of MPs being accosted isn't limited to people from other parties; you're just as likely to get harangued by people who are supposed to be on 'your' team. The Tories have courted the lunatics for a while so always risk this, and Labour has plenty of fringe weirdos and the momentum types to take aim at their own MPs.

Speaking of weirdos, some utter muppet has been arrested for putting up a mock gallows outside parliament

[Insane_Homer]

[Paddington Bear]

Ouch!

I think it would be more accurate to say he used to be a Tory.

Coleshill was originally elected to Enfield Council in 2018 as a Conservative, but was suspended from the party a few months later when he was accused of making racist remarks in a council meeting; he had asked whether the Turkish family of a Labour councillor had “brought a classroom with them”.

He remained on the Council as an independent until June this year, when he was kicked off the Council for failing to attend any meetings for over 6 months. A by-election was held to replace him in July.

So he was only actually a Tory for a few months in 2018. It also seems pretty clear he’s now a bona fide loon and ‘lockdown sceptic’. In November last year he was charged with breaching lockdown restrictions after attending a public gathering in Hyde Park. He entered a ‘not guilty’ plea in court but the case was later dismissed and a fixed penalty notice issued instead.

Don’t go ruining the narrative

There's a significant element of British politics online who bemoan the decline of civility and trust in our democracy who will also jump straight into believing Gove orchestrated a pile on onto himself for *reasons*. Social media is a bad thing.

[sockwithaticket]

Yeah uh the problem of MPs being accosted isn't limited to people from other parties; you're just as likely to get harangued by people who are supposed to be on 'your' team. The Tories have courted the lunatics for a while so always risk this, and Labour has plenty of fringe weirdos and the momentum types to take aim at their own MPs.

Speaking of weirdos, some utter muppet has been arrested for putting up a mock gallows outside parliament

I dunno, seems like a timely reminder for them that there was once an age of bloody revoltion where the people would rise against those in power actively working against the people's best interest.

They should thank their lucky stars that we apparently no longer live in such a time.

[Paddington Bear]

Fan of the Civil War that I am, an MP got murdered last Friday so maybe was in poor taste.

[Lobby]

Fan of the Civil War that I am, an MP got murdered last Friday so maybe was in poor taste.

Indeed, after the events of last Friday I think MPs are all too aware that there are some people in society who want to kill them, so I am not sure that they really needed another 'timely reminder'.

[sockwithaticket]

Tbh I was being needlessly flippant. I just bothered to actually google the incident and it was erected by anti-vax types, which I definitely can't agree with.


Revolutionary political violence can be valid, but that shit ain't it.

[Insane_Homer]

It's funny because it's true.

Ofcom rules prohibit quoting the PMs language on TV

[Ymx]

It’s as obsessive as dozy with China against the West. Silver/Lemon with Russia.

How real are internet stooges? Or are they simply an obsessive manifestation of our social media channels, which propagate extremism?

[Insane_Homer]

It’s as obsessive as dozy with China against the West. Silver/Lemon with Russia.

How real are internet stooges? Or are they simply an obsessive manifestation of our social media channels, which propagate extremism?

Resorting to Ad Hominem when you can't argue the facts, how very

[Ymx]

[Paddington Bear]

Said before but the extent to which there is value in reposting the slightly loonier side of europhile twitter to here can be overestimated.