Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Ymx]

I can understand when in closed forums which become echo chambers and propagate extreme hatred. Anti vax, conspiracy lingering, general hate, etc

But arguably Twitter is a completely open forum, yet it seems to harbour and manifest hate, and not the balance you might expect.

Though, I guess it’s a matter of who people follow, and are indoctrinated by, which provides consistent ammo and often misleading information (no one is held accountable for) to fuel their hatred. So they choose to feed it. Clearly it can become obsessive.

[sturginho]

It’s as obsessive as dozy with China against the West. Silver/Lemon with Russia.

You with IH

[Insane_Homer]

Ooh, looks like another Brexit win!

[Ymx]

It’s as obsessive as dozy with China against the West. Silver/Lemon with Russia.

You with IH

Perhaps I’m obsessed with the obsessiveness of it, I’ll grant you that.

[Insane_Homer]

often misleading information (no one is held accountable for)

What part of the Dave's Mash report clip has quotes from politicians that were misleading information?

So we can add Straw Man & Hasty generalisation fallacies to your Ad Hominem. It's like logical fallacies bingo with you this morning

[Ymx]

You do understand I was talking generally, and not about your most recent specific link, mr happy clappy.

[Insane_Homer]

You do understand I was talking generally, and not about your most recent specific link, mr happy clappy.

Oh yeah? Mabe I should've alluded to hasty generalisations, oh wait, I did!

[Ymx]

96 pages ….

[SaintK]

96 pages ….

Hardly surprising with the bunch of entitled arseholes we currently have in government

[Torquemada 1420]

Ooh, looks like another Brexit win!

Juror's Ocean?

[tabascoboy]

Ooh, looks like another Brexit win!

Juror's Ocean?

The freedom to treat our own land and rivers as a literal shithole was hard won doncha know? #takingbackcontrol

[Torquemada 1420]

Ooh, looks like another Brexit win!

Juror's Ocean?

The freedom to treat our own land and rivers as a literal shithole was hard won doncha know? #takingbackcontrol

Who needs Bazalgette? Bloody foreign name anyway.

[JM2K6]

Be nicer to the fucking Tories, please, you'll upset Yourmother who wants to believe everything is hunky dory and that a populist government who dragged us into a hard Brexit and have made a horlicks of dealing with a pandemic that's killed 150k of our fellow citizens can't possibly be continuing to do things that deserve criticism

That's the real problem facing society right now

People pointing out the shitty things the government does and being mean about it

[Torquemada 1420]

Be nicer to the fucking Tories, please, you'll upset Yourmother who wants to believe everything is hunky dory and that a populist government who dragged us into a hard Brexit and have made a horlicks of dealing with a pandemic that's killed 150k of our fellow citizens can't possibly be continuing to do things that deserve criticism

That's the real problem facing society right now

People pointing out the shitty things the government does and being mean about it

In a way, the absolute unending stream of it is desensitising the populace. I think Boris could drop a turd in the queen's lap and get away with it now.

[SaintK]

Be nicer to the fucking Tories, please, you'll upset Yourmother who wants to believe everything is hunky dory and that a populist government who dragged us into a hard Brexit and have made a horlicks of dealing with a pandemic that's killed 150k of our fellow citizens can't possibly be continuing to do things that deserve criticism

That's the real problem facing society right now

People pointing out the shitty things the government does and being mean about it

In a way, the absolute unending stream of it is desensitising the populace. I think Boris could drop a turd in the queen's lap and get away with it now.

He'd just deny he did it!! Like all the other daily lies

[sturginho]

Be nicer to the fucking Tories, please, you'll upset Yourmother who wants to believe everything is hunky dory and that a populist government who dragged us into a hard Brexit and have made a horlicks of dealing with a pandemic that's killed 150k of our fellow citizens can't possibly be continuing to do things that deserve criticism

That's the real problem facing society right now

People pointing out the shitty things the government does and being mean about it

In a way, the absolute unending stream of it is desensitising the populace. I think Boris could drop a turd in the queen's lap and get away with it now.

In a way he already did that with the prorogation debacle

[Ymx]

Be nicer to the fucking Tories, please, you'll upset Yourmother who wants to believe everything is hunky dory and that a populist government who dragged us into a hard Brexit and have made a horlicks of dealing with a pandemic that's killed 150k of our fellow citizens can't possibly be continuing to do things that deserve criticism

That's the real problem facing society right now

People pointing out the shitty things the government does and being mean about it

Yep. Can’t we all just get on.

Except those horrid European bunch of course.

[SaintK]

Aaah, this is what it was really built for.

Boris Johnson used the £2.6m Downing Street briefing room for a private screening of the new James Bond film, No 10 has admitted.
The government has been under fire for spending millions on fitting out the room – only to scrap plans for White House-style press conferences, which was the purpose.
Instead, the room is used for twice-daily briefings with political journalists, but has been unavailable for the last two days for unspecified “events”

[dpedin]

Aaah, this is what it was really built for.

Boris Johnson used the £2.6m Downing Street briefing room for a private screening of the new James Bond film, No 10 has admitted.
The government has been under fire for spending millions on fitting out the room – only to scrap plans for White House-style press conferences, which was the purpose.
Instead, the room is used for twice-daily briefings with political journalists, but has been unavailable for the last two days for unspecified “events”

This is a wind up surely?

[Ymx]

We used to use the main boardroom for poker evenings sometimes.

[Sandstorm]

We used to use the main boardroom for poker evenings sometimes.

Illegal gambling den? You Tory party members are shameless.

[Rinkals]

It’s as obsessive as dozy with China against the West. Silver/Lemon with Russia.

You with IH

Perhaps I’m obsessed with the obsessiveness of it, I’ll grant you that.

I suspect it's because you don't like being reminded of the shower who govern the UK and IH doesn't mind reminding you.

[Ymx]

Sorry if I left you out of the obsessive list Rinkals.

[Biffer]

Sorry if I left you out of the obsessive list Rinkals.

Yeah, everyone is obsessive except the ones with their heads in the sand who don’t mind being repeatedly shafted by a bunch of rich boy twats.

[Openside]

Most reasonable commentators seem to think Scotland wouldn't be any worse off as an independent country than it is sailing off on the Good Ship Boris.
My contention is that it is a short term thing, then we can set our own course, to continue the navigation metaphor.

Can you name a country that has gone independent then asked to be taken back under control of the union it left?

So Scotland going independent would suffer some 'short-term' hardship but leaving a controlling Union would ultimately be beneficial. So you were pro-Brexit then presumably?

No, I can examine different proposals on their own merits

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

Not the Mash Report. this is real life...

[Plim]

This must be the most politically self-regarding meme ever. Everything good is left-wing; everything bad is right-wing (more properly: all good things come only from the left; if you find anything bad you must understand it to be right-wing).

Over a hundred years ago it was exactly the same, just in relation to the Liberals rather than Labour. As John Buchan put it, about the Liberals in 1911, though he was writing in 1940:

“Now that the once omnipotent Liberal party has so declined, it is hard to realise how formidable it was in 1911—especially in Scotland. Its dogmas were so completely taken for granted that their presentation partook less of argument than of a tribal incantation. Mr. Gladstone had given it an aura of earnest morality, so that its platforms were also pulpits and its harangues had the weight of sermons. Its members seemed to assume that their opponents must be lacking either in morals or mind. The Tories were the "stupid" party; Liberals alone understood and sympathised with the poor; a working man who was not a Liberal was inaccessible to reason, or morally corrupt, or intimidated by laird or employer. I remember a lady summing up the attitude thus: Tories may think they are better born, but Liberals know that they are born better.“

We can only hope that Labour goes the way of the Liberals and that we get an up-to-date and sensible centre left party.

[Insane_Homer]

This must be the most politically self-regarding meme ever. Everything good is left-wing; everything bad is right-wing (more properly: all good things come only from the left; if you find anything bad you must understand it to be right-wing).

Over a hundred years ago it was exactly the same, just in relation to the Liberals rather than Labour. As John Buchan put it, about the Liberals in 1911, though he was writing in 1940:

“Now that the once omnipotent Liberal party has so declined, it is hard to realise how formidable it was in 1911—especially in Scotland. Its dogmas were so completely taken for granted that their presentation partook less of argument than of a tribal incantation. Mr. Gladstone had given it an aura of earnest morality, so that its platforms were also pulpits and its harangues had the weight of sermons. Its members seemed to assume that their opponents must be lacking either in morals or mind. The Tories were the "stupid" party; Liberals alone understood and sympathised with the poor; a working man who was not a Liberal was inaccessible to reason, or morally corrupt, or intimidated by laird or employer. I remember a lady summing up the attitude thus: Tories may think they are better born, but Liberals know that they are born better.“

We can only hope that Labour goes the way of the Liberals and that we get an up-to-date and sensible centre left party.

It's funny because it winds up right wingers

[Plim]

This must be the most politically self-regarding meme ever. Everything good is left-wing; everything bad is right-wing (more properly: all good things come only from the left; if you find anything bad you must understand it to be right-wing).

Over a hundred years ago it was exactly the same, just in relation to the Liberals rather than Labour. As John Buchan put it, about the Liberals in 1911, though he was writing in 1940:

“Now that the once omnipotent Liberal party has so declined, it is hard to realise how formidable it was in 1911—especially in Scotland. Its dogmas were so completely taken for granted that their presentation partook less of argument than of a tribal incantation. Mr. Gladstone had given it an aura of earnest morality, so that its platforms were also pulpits and its harangues had the weight of sermons. Its members seemed to assume that their opponents must be lacking either in morals or mind. The Tories were the "stupid" party; Liberals alone understood and sympathised with the poor; a working man who was not a Liberal was inaccessible to reason, or morally corrupt, or intimidated by laird or employer. I remember a lady summing up the attitude thus: Tories may think they are better born, but Liberals know that they are born better.“

We can only hope that Labour goes the way of the Liberals and that we get an up-to-date and sensible centre left party.

It's funny because it winds up right wingers

Fair. I doubt that on this forum anyone genuinely believes that the mainstream left is inherently morally superior and more principled than the mainstream right. But I’m all for goading.

[Slick]

This must be the most politically self-regarding meme ever. Everything good is left-wing; everything bad is right-wing (more properly: all good things come only from the left; if you find anything bad you must understand it to be right-wing).

Over a hundred years ago it was exactly the same, just in relation to the Liberals rather than Labour. As John Buchan put it, about the Liberals in 1911, though he was writing in 1940:

“Now that the once omnipotent Liberal party has so declined, it is hard to realise how formidable it was in 1911—especially in Scotland. Its dogmas were so completely taken for granted that their presentation partook less of argument than of a tribal incantation. Mr. Gladstone had given it an aura of earnest morality, so that its platforms were also pulpits and its harangues had the weight of sermons. Its members seemed to assume that their opponents must be lacking either in morals or mind. The Tories were the "stupid" party; Liberals alone understood and sympathised with the poor; a working man who was not a Liberal was inaccessible to reason, or morally corrupt, or intimidated by laird or employer. I remember a lady summing up the attitude thus: Tories may think they are better born, but Liberals know that they are born better.“

We can only hope that Labour goes the way of the Liberals and that we get an up-to-date and sensible centre left party.

It's funny because it winds up right wingers

Fair. I doubt that on this forum anyone genuinely believes that the mainstream left is inherently morally superior and more principled than the mainstream right. But I’m all for goading.

You have got to be fucking joking!

[Plim]

It's funny because it winds up right wingers

Fair. I doubt that on this forum anyone genuinely believes that the mainstream left is inherently morally superior and more principled than the mainstream right. But I’m all for goading.

You have got to be fucking joking!

Er, OK. I was obviously too optimistic. There is at least one leftist poster here caught by cultist left-wing thinking that demonises everyone else and is incapable of seeing the world in anything other than black and white.

[Insane_Homer]

[SaintK]

Blonde slug not knowing what he's talking about shock horror!!

The Recycling Association, the trade body for independent waste paper processors and their equipment suppliers, has strongly criticised Boris Johnson for what he said this morning about plastic recycling. (See 12.52pm.) Asked for his reaction to the comment, Simon Ellin, the association’s chief executive, told the World at One:

‘Wow’, I think is the first answer.

It’s very disappointing. I think he has completely lost the plastic plot here, if I’m honest.

We need to reduce and I would completely agree with him on that, but his own government has just invested in the resources and waste strategy, which is the most ground-breaking recycling legislation and plan that we’ve ever seen, with recycling right at the front of it.

So he seems to be completely conflicting with his own government’s policy.

[fishfoodie]

Blonde slug not knowing what he's talking about shock horror!!

The Recycling Association, the trade body for independent waste paper processors and their equipment suppliers, has strongly criticised Boris Johnson for what he said this morning about plastic recycling. (See 12.52pm.) Asked for his reaction to the comment, Simon Ellin, the association’s chief executive, told the World at One:

‘Wow’, I think is the first answer.

It’s very disappointing. I think he has completely lost the plastic plot here, if I’m honest.

We need to reduce and I would completely agree with him on that, but his own government has just invested in the resources and waste strategy, which is the most ground-breaking recycling legislation and plan that we’ve ever seen, with recycling right at the front of it.

So he seems to be completely conflicting with his own government’s policy.

To be fair; he was facing a much tougher audience, than he usually does.

During the special event organised by Downing Street, Mr Johnson told an audience of eight to 12-year-olds that rather than relying on recycling, people should reduce their consumption of plastic products.

[SaintK]

Blonde slug not knowing what he's talking about shock horror!!

The Recycling Association, the trade body for independent waste paper processors and their equipment suppliers, has strongly criticised Boris Johnson for what he said this morning about plastic recycling. (See 12.52pm.) Asked for his reaction to the comment, Simon Ellin, the association’s chief executive, told the World at One:

‘Wow’, I think is the first answer.

It’s very disappointing. I think he has completely lost the plastic plot here, if I’m honest.

We need to reduce and I would completely agree with him on that, but his own government has just invested in the resources and waste strategy, which is the most ground-breaking recycling legislation and plan that we’ve ever seen, with recycling right at the front of it.

So he seems to be completely conflicting with his own government’s policy.

To be fair; he was facing a much tougher audience, than he usually does.

During the special event organised by Downing Street, Mr Johnson told an audience of eight to 12-year-olds that rather than relying on recycling, people should reduce their consumption of plastic products.

Quite!

[I like neeps]

The sewage in the rivers story is quite funny. Privatisation: we're all in the sh*t.

[fishfoodie]

The sewage in the rivers story is quite funny. Privatisation: we're all in the sh*t.

The script about victorian infrastructure was almost contemptuous in it's implausibility.

The Tories handed the water companies a get of out jail free card; by allowing them to dump, untreated sewage in rivers, without consequences; & a couple of weeks later the water companies are doing exactly that; & using their free pass; rather than stumping up the extra money for Post-Brexit Chemicals.

Why would they pay higher wages for drivers; or increase their chemical storage, or stock on hand; when they can just open the taps, & dump raw sewage into the rivers ?

[dpedin]

The sewage in the rivers story is quite funny. Privatisation: we're all in the sh*t.

The script about victorian infrastructure was almost contemptuous in it's implausibility.

The Tories handed the water companies a get of out jail free card; by allowing them to dump, untreated sewage in rivers, without consequences; & a couple of weeks later the water companies are doing exactly that; & using their free pass; rather than stumping up the extra money for Post-Brexit Chemicals.

Why would they pay higher wages for drivers; or increase their chemical storage, or stock on hand; when they can just open the taps, & dump raw sewage into the rivers ?

It's not going down at all well in the 'shires and the more rural and coastal Tory seats. Reckon they've fecked up badly here, bit like the planning cock ups that lost them the by-election, expect U-turn soon. Its a shame the politics of the issue will override the environmental issues but I suppose that's a Brexit benefit when we don't need to adhere to those pesky EU environmental standards?

[Slick]

Blonde slug not knowing what he's talking about shock horror!!

To be fair; he was facing a much tougher audience, than he usually does.

During the special event organised by Downing Street, Mr Johnson told an audience of eight to 12-year-olds that rather than relying on recycling, people should reduce their consumption of plastic products.

Quite!

Actually I think he is absolutely bang on correct. Recycling is pretty woeful, we need to stop using plastics.

A bit more balance than this increasingly ridiculous thread

Recycling plastics does not work, says Boris Johnson https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59039155