Aircraft thread

[Yeeb]

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[Torquemada 1420]

You are a massive plane nerd torq, how did you not know this already ??!
Iirc the b17 it was for the longer range, some of the rear bomb bay was filled with an auxiliary tank for fuel . The Lanc 21k was only when they removed the H2S dome underneath and was for special occasions , 12k was normal load I think - one big bomb, four medium ones , and then a bunch of smaller 250lb ones or incendiaries (depending on what wave they were, first waves were HE to blow up buildings and gas mains, later ones had incendiaries to set all the gas on fire )

I guess it's just one of those "it's obvious, innit?" things. Just pushed my take on the best plane ever (Mosquito) even higher.

You are correct on B17 but reality is if loaded for short range, the only thing the Yanks could have reached and bombed was Dover.... oh..... that explains it.....

[Torquemada 1420]

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Hah. Now, here's a thing:

However, this meant that the main wing spars became obstacles to movement within the Aircraft, particularly for Airmen wearing heavy clothing and flight boots.

and that coupled to the only proper exit being the starboard door probably explains why Lancaster bail out survival rates were only 5% and I think the B17 was 50% (?).

[Yeeb]

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Hah. Now, here's a thing:

However, this meant that the main wing spars became obstacles to movement within the Aircraft, particularly for Airmen wearing heavy clothing and flight boots.

and that coupled to the only proper exit being the starboard door probably explains why Lancaster bail out survival rates were only 5% and I think the B17 was 50% (?).

Even worse, the doors on Lancaster were tiny like 22 inches across , on halifaxes etc they were about a foot bigger (I don’t normally speak in imperial but ww2 UK and Us bombers just seems so apt)

Do you know they main reason feet is used in altitude even today ?

[laurent]

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Hah. Now, here's a thing:

However, this meant that the main wing spars became obstacles to movement within the Aircraft, particularly for Airmen wearing heavy clothing and flight boots.

and that coupled to the only proper exit being the starboard door probably explains why Lancaster bail out survival rates were only 5% and I think the B17 was 50% (?).

Even worse, the doors on Lancaster were tiny like 22 inches across , on halifaxes etc they were about a foot bigger (I don’t normally speak in imperial but ww2 UK and Us bombers just seems so apt)

Do you know they main reason feet is used in altitude even today ?

French getting knocked out early (They were using metric like the commies and Germans) the French aircraft industry took years to rebuild and the stupid imperial system was standard by then.

[Yeeb]

Hah. Now, here's a thing:


and that coupled to the only proper exit being the starboard door probably explains why Lancaster bail out survival rates were only 5% and I think the B17 was 50% (?).

Even worse, the doors on Lancaster were tiny like 22 inches across , on halifaxes etc they were about a foot bigger (I don’t normally speak in imperial but ww2 UK and Us bombers just seems so apt)

Do you know they main reason feet is used in altitude even today ?

French getting knocked out early (They were using metric like the commies and Germans) the French aircraft industry took years to rebuild and the stupid imperial system was standard by then.

Incorrect , nothing to do directly with french or German or their industry.
Clue is: A particular aircraft

[laurent]

Even worse, the doors on Lancaster were tiny like 22 inches across , on halifaxes etc they were about a foot bigger (I don’t normally speak in imperial but ww2 UK and Us bombers just seems so apt)

Do you know they main reason feet is used in altitude even today ?

French getting knocked out early (They were using metric like the commies and Germans) the French aircraft industry took years to rebuild and the stupid imperial system was standard by then.

Incorrect , nothing to do directly with french or German or their industry.
Clue is: A particular aircraft

DC3 AKA not metric

[GogLais]

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Hah. Now, here's a thing:

However, this meant that the main wing spars became obstacles to movement within the Aircraft, particularly for Airmen wearing heavy clothing and flight boots.

and that coupled to the only proper exit being the starboard door probably explains why Lancaster bail out survival rates were only 5% and I think the B17 was 50% (?).

Even worse, the doors on Lancaster were tiny like 22 inches across , on halifaxes etc they were about a foot bigger (I don’t normally speak in imperial but ww2 UK and Us bombers just seems so apt)

Do you know they main reason feet is used in altitude even today ?

My friendly EasyJet or Ryanair pilot always tells me that we’re flying at 38,000 feet. Are you saying that air traffic control works in feet and not metres?

[Torquemada 1420]

Do you know they main reason feet is used in altitude even today ?

Assume because Brits and then the Yanks dominated early aviation and it's what they used....... thankfully. :¬)

[Yeeb]

French getting knocked out early (They were using metric like the commies and Germans) the French aircraft industry took years to rebuild and the stupid imperial system was standard by then.

Incorrect , nothing to do directly with french or German or their industry.
Clue is: A particular aircraft

DC3 AKA not metric

Bingo. These reliable bad boys (in c47 guise) flooded the market and every tinpot country had them, even if it was a metric country. When jets and turboprops took over , the influence was already there. Unlike avro lancastrians and other era transport / airliner aircraft, the ridiculous reliability of them kept many in commercial service for 50+ years ( probably there are a decent number of originals still flying)

[Yeeb]

French getting knocked out early (They were using metric like the commies and Germans) the French aircraft industry took years to rebuild and the stupid imperial system was standard by then.

Incorrect , nothing to do directly with french or German or their industry.
Clue is: A particular aircraft

DC3 AKA not metric

Bingo, ultra reliable and disposed of cheap after the war, even to metric countries. Probably a fair number still flying with original cyclones.

[Torquemada 1420]

probably there are a decent number of originals still flying)

There are. I was with 2 at Coventry last week.

{EDIT} Should have said one was technically a C41A

This one

[GogLais]

Sorry, I don't get this. I'm guessing that US aircraft are designed in metric and not feet and inches.Surely? But ATC uses feet although a quick Google suggests that Russia and China are metric.

[mat the expat]

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I remember standing next to the Tallboy and Grandslams they have on display at RAF Coningsby - huge

[Calculon]

Rather long video on the construction of the b24 but gives you a good idea of just how much work goes into it



What type of person is needed to attach the outer wing section? Answer @27:00

[Yeeb]

Sorry, I don't get this. I'm guessing that US aircraft are designed in metric and not feet and inches.Surely? But ATC uses feet although a quick Google suggests that Russia and China are metric.

Why would US aircraft be in metric ?
One reason the Russian copy of the superfortress was a couple of tons heavier, was because in their reverse engineering process of the captured American plane, they could not replicate the thickness of metal as precisely , so 7/32 sheet thickness was made to 5.6mm and not the actual 5.512878847 equivalent or whatever (I made those numbers up )

As long as machines work and reliable , I don’t think it matters too much whether it was metric or imperial , not being old my brain simply can’t imagine trying to design any machine in imperial

[GogLais]

Sorry, I don't get this. I'm guessing that US aircraft are designed in metric and not feet and inches.Surely? But ATC uses feet although a quick Google suggests that Russia and China are metric.

Why would US aircraft be in metric ?
One reason the Russian copy of the superfortress was a couple of tons heavier, was because in their reverse engineering process of the captured American plane, they could not replicate the thickness of metal as precisely , so 7/32 sheet thickness was made to 5.6mm and not the actual 5.512878847 equivalent or whatever (I made those numbers up )

As long as machines work and reliable , I don’t think it matters too much whether it was metric or imperial , not being old my brain simply can’t imagine trying to design any machine in imperial

It’s an assumption on my part, only because computers and calculators work in decimal. I’ll try and remember to check after my walk.

[laurent]

Imperial is not used in engineering any more thankfully

[Calculon]

Sorry, I don't get this. I'm guessing that US aircraft are designed in metric and not feet and inches.Surely? But ATC uses feet although a quick Google suggests that Russia and China are metric.

Why would US aircraft be in metric ?
One reason the Russian copy of the superfortress was a couple of tons heavier, was because in their reverse engineering process of the captured American plane, they could not replicate the thickness of metal as precisely , so 7/32 sheet thickness was made to 5.6mm and not the actual 5.512878847 equivalent or whatever (I made those numbers up )

As long as machines work and reliable , I don’t think it matters too much whether it was metric or imperial , not being old my brain simply can’t imagine trying to design any machine in imperial

hmmm... It had heavier engines and a heavier defensive armament (23mm cannons replacing 12.7mm machine guns), but even so

The Soviet Union used the metric system and so sheet aluminium in thicknesses matching the B-29's imperial measurements were unavailable. The corresponding metric-gauge metal was of different thicknesses. Alloys and other materials new to the Soviet Union had to be brought into production. Extensive re-engineering had to take place to compensate for the differences, and Soviet official strength margins had to be decreased to avoid further redesign.[11] However despite those challenges, the prototype Tu-4 weighed only 340 kg (750 lb) more than the B-29, a difference of less than 1%.[12]

[Torquemada 1420]

Imperial is not used in engineering any more thankfully

Yes. Because given the quality of graduates these days, I shudder to think what horrors would result if the option to use fingers and toes were removed.

[Yeeb]

Sorry, I don't get this. I'm guessing that US aircraft are designed in metric and not feet and inches.Surely? But ATC uses feet although a quick Google suggests that Russia and China are metric.

Why would US aircraft be in metric ?
One reason the Russian copy of the superfortress was a couple of tons heavier, was because in their reverse engineering process of the captured American plane, they could not replicate the thickness of metal as precisely , so 7/32 sheet thickness was made to 5.6mm and not the actual 5.512878847 equivalent or whatever (I made those numbers up )

As long as machines work and reliable , I don’t think it matters too much whether it was metric or imperial , not being old my brain simply can’t imagine trying to design any machine in imperial

hmmm... It had heavier engines and a heavier defensive armament (23mm cannons replacing 12.7mm machine guns), but even so

The Soviet Union used the metric system and so sheet aluminium in thicknesses matching the B-29's imperial measurements were unavailable. The corresponding metric-gauge metal was of different thicknesses. Alloys and other materials new to the Soviet Union had to be brought into production. Extensive re-engineering had to take place to compensate for the differences, and Soviet official strength margins had to be decreased to avoid further redesign.[11] However despite those challenges, the prototype Tu-4 weighed only 340 kg (750 lb) more than the B-29, a difference of less than 1%.[12]

Hmmm, the figure I heard was 3000lb I think - would 23mm cannon be fitted onto a prototype ??

[Calculon]

Not at first. I have some recollection of reading about the TU4 and how soviet engineers struggled to get the right alloy of aluminum, soviet aluminum alloys at that time being inferior, so they had to make it thicker (so heavier) in some places, but they were very much aware of trying to keep the weight down. Hence the

Soviet official strength margins had to be decreased to avoid further redesign

[Torquemada 1420]

Avon install:

[NeilOJism]

Avon install:

Where’s that wanking gif?

Given your reference in the Baldwin shooting fred, Torq, can I assume you were involved in that?

If so, am I jealous? Does the Pope wank??

[Torquemada 1420]

Where’s that wanking gif?

Given your reference in the Baldwin shooting fred, Torq, can I assume you were involved in that?

If so, am I jealous? Does the Pope wank??

[NeilOJism]

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I remember standing next to the Tallboy and Grandslams they have on display at RAF Coningsby - huge

Drove past there last week and was treated to a couple of Typhoons playing around at such outrageously low altitude I could see what the pilots had for breakfast.

Marvellous!

And surprisingly emotional. When I were a nipper, the auld fella worked on Tornadoes at RAF Honington. Low level fast jets were a daily occurrence, and the Typhoons last week took me right back *nostalgic sniff*

[NeilOJism]

Where’s that wanking gif?

Given your reference in the Baldwin shooting fred, Torq, can I assume you were involved in that?

If so, am I jealous? Does the Pope wank??

need someone to hold your socket set...?

[Torquemada 1420]

Where’s that wanking gif?

Given your reference in the Baldwin shooting fred, Torq, can I assume you were involved in that?

If so, am I jealous? Does the Pope wank??

need someone to hold your socket set...?

Need anyone with commitment and engineering interest!

[NeilOJism]

need someone to hold your socket set...?

Need anyone with commitment and engineering interest!

Where?

Off-topic, I’ve just had a flashback that you and I spoke on the phone, albeit briefly, a very long time ago. I was in France 4 gfs ago (this is why I can place the year as 2002/3) and interested in buying some Fra-Eng tickets, but only if I could get from somewhere twixt Poitiers and Limoges to Marseille. Easily, which proved to be the swarf in the KY in the end.

I think Lucy (PR Lucy, obvs)was involved. For the life of me I can’t recall why we spoke, although given that I was chatting to what sounded like an erudite, sophisticated English gent, I assumed it was Openside!

No idea why that flashback, er, flashed back. It just did.

Anyway, where do you bathe in the presence of such engineering pulchritude?

[Torquemada 1420]

need someone to hold your socket set...?

Need anyone with commitment and engineering interest!

Where?

Off-topic, I’ve just had a flashback that you and I spoke on the phone, albeit briefly, a very long time ago. I was in France 4 gfs ago (this is why I can place the year as 2002/3) and interested in buying some Fra-Eng tickets, but only if I could get from somewhere twixt Poitiers and Limoges to Marseille. Easily, which proved to be the swarf in the KY in the end.

I think Lucy (PR Lucy, obvs)was involved. For the life of me I can’t recall why we spoke, although given that I was chatting to what sounded like an erudite, sophisticated English gent, I assumed it was Openside!

No idea why that flashback, er, flashed back. It just did.

Anyway, where do you bathe in the presence of such engineering pulchritude?

Now you have me thinking. Posting as Neil makes me think I have this wrong but were you a good lad back then?

XS458 is at Cranfield but there are also the 2 at Bruntingthorpe. Ian Black is also getting some momentum behind a project at Binbrooke.

OS?

[Yeeb]

I love how the passage of time was measured in numbers of gfs ago !

[NeilOJism]

Need anyone with commitment and engineering interest!

Where?

Off-topic, I’ve just had a flashback that you and I spoke on the phone, albeit briefly, a very long time ago. I was in France 4 gfs ago (this is why I can place the year as 2002/3) and interested in buying some Fra-Eng tickets, but only if I could get from somewhere twixt Poitiers and Limoges to Marseille. Easily, which proved to be the swarf in the KY in the end.

I think Lucy (PR Lucy, obvs)was involved. For the life of me I can’t recall why we spoke, although given that I was chatting to what sounded like an erudite, sophisticated English gent, I assumed it was Openside!

No idea why that flashback, er, flashed back. It just did.

Anyway, where do you bathe in the presence of such engineering pulchritude?

Now you have me thinking. Posting as Neil makes me think I have this wrong but were you a good lad back then?

XS458 is at Cranfield but there are also the 2 at Bruntingthorpe. Ian Black is also getting some momentum behind a project at Binbrooke.

OS?

Your memory does not fail you, sir!

[Line6 HXFX]

Another reason or ten to get Combat Simulator (DCS) is they now have a Mosquito, a Hind helicopter and in a few weeks the AH64 Apache helicopter.


Shit just got lit.

[Torquemada 1420]

Another reason or ten to get Combat Simulator (DCS) is they now have a Mosquito, a Hind helicopter and in a few weeks the AH64 Apache helicopter.


Shit just got lit.

LOL. This is the aircraft thread. Anyone needing telling that the Hind or AH64 are choppers has no business here

[Torquemada 1420]

[Torquemada 1420]

Most recent test start on No1 engine (Saturday).

Works best with headphones on

[laurent]

a spot of riveting

[GogLais]

a spot of riveting

Is Alize French for Gannet?

[laurent]

a spot of riveting

Is Alize French for Gannet?

Not as ugly ... :P same type of missions

Navy aircrafts have wind names (Alizé are trade winds) Gannet are fou de bassans

[Torquemada 1420]

a spot of riveting

This you?