I am wondering if my booster will be the natural one <gulp>
So, coronavirus...
I'm 6 months on from my second one on Monday but computer still says no when I try and book online!!
Going to try and book by phone later today
Don’t know what’s happened in Edinburgh the last few days but I genuinely searched around today to see if I’d missed an announcement. Suddenly over the weekend and today lots of people have dropped the masks.
Noticed it in shops over the weekend, then dropping the kids at school this morning where it’s been 100% from parents there were quite a few without. Then did a shop at the big supermarket and agains loads without. Very odd, but I guess once one does it and gets away with it others will follow
Noticed it in shops over the weekend, then dropping the kids at school this morning where it’s been 100% from parents there were quite a few without. Then did a shop at the big supermarket and agains loads without. Very odd, but I guess once one does it and gets away with it others will follow
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When I 1st tried it told me the criteria was 6 months +1 week to qualify. Went back after that extra week and got straight in - albeit I had to shop around to get an early date.
Yes, I'll probably have to wait until next Monday. Though the governmant keep on about all these "walk in" centres they are opening for booster vacs. Can't find one in my areaOvals wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:54 amWhen I 1st tried it told me the criteria was 6 months +1 week to qualify. Went back after that extra week and got straight in - albeit I had to shop around to get an early date.
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As far as I can tell from the NHS sites, there are only 3 walk-in centres within a 30 mile radius serving around 500 000+ population and a few pharmacies scattered about in out of the way places with a cluster of more about 25 - 30 miles away. I'll be eligible in just over a month but God knows how/where I'll be able to get to a site if demand becomes high. Vaccinations only really kicked off here in February so it's only recently/now that large numbers should become eligible, perhaps more places will be available before Xmas.
My local surgery was fully booked for 2 months - no offers from any walk in centres - even though there is one just a mile away - found one at a Surgery a few miles away with just a 1 week wait. Seems odd that the boosters don't seem more generally available considering there's far fewer 1st/2nd jabs being given.SaintK wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:02 amYes, I'll probably have to wait until next Monday. Though the governmant keep on about all these "walk in" centres they are opening for booster vacs. Can't find one in my areaOvals wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:54 amWhen I 1st tried it told me the criteria was 6 months +1 week to qualify. Went back after that extra week and got straight in - albeit I had to shop around to get an early date.SaintK wrote: Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:49 am
I'm 6 months on from my second one on Monday but computer still says no when I try and book online!!
Going to try and book by phone later today
yes it is interesting the attitude of Brits to masks vs other countries. On two occasions yesterday I had cause to visit establishments which advertise that a mask must be worn so I took one with me, no one in either building had a mask on.Slick wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:16 pm Don’t know what’s happened in Edinburgh the last few days but I genuinely searched around today to see if I’d missed an announcement. Suddenly over the weekend and today lots of people have dropped the masks.
Noticed it in shops over the weekend, then dropping the kids at school this morning where it’s been 100% from parents there were quite a few without. Then did a shop at the big supermarket and agains loads without. Very odd, but I guess once one does it and gets away with it others will follow

I found pretty well by chance that one of our local medical centres was doing walk-in booster jabs, which was what we did. I think you had be a patient at one of their associated GP practices to get it.Ovals wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:54 amWhen I 1st tried it told me the criteria was 6 months +1 week to qualify. Went back after that extra week and got straight in - albeit I had to shop around to get an early date.
Same when I’ve been on the train recently. It’s not a perfect comparison but just about everyone wears seat belts when car accidents deaths are about five a day but we’re more relaxed about something that kills a hundred or so daily. What amazes me is that lack of government encouragement in the media for us to do things like wearing masks. One might almost think they’re not really bothered.Openside wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:03 pmyes it is interesting the attitude of Brits to masks vs other countries. On two occasions yesterday I had cause to visit establishments which advertise that a mask must be worn so I took one with me, no one in either building had a mask on.Slick wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:16 pm Don’t know what’s happened in Edinburgh the last few days but I genuinely searched around today to see if I’d missed an announcement. Suddenly over the weekend and today lots of people have dropped the masks.
Noticed it in shops over the weekend, then dropping the kids at school this morning where it’s been 100% from parents there were quite a few without. Then did a shop at the big supermarket and agains loads without. Very odd, but I guess once one does it and gets away with it others will follow![]()
A bit like the idiots on the government benches who think theyt are immune as "they know each other so well"Openside wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:03 pmyes it is interesting the attitude of Brits to masks vs other countries. On two occasions yesterday I had cause to visit establishments which advertise that a mask must be worn so I took one with me, no one in either building had a mask on.Slick wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:16 pm Don’t know what’s happened in Edinburgh the last few days but I genuinely searched around today to see if I’d missed an announcement. Suddenly over the weekend and today lots of people have dropped the masks.
Noticed it in shops over the weekend, then dropping the kids at school this morning where it’s been 100% from parents there were quite a few without. Then did a shop at the big supermarket and agains loads without. Very odd, but I guess once one does it and gets away with it others will follow![]()
MPs and peers have been told to wear face masks in Parliament following a rise in Covid cases in the building.
Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle urged MPs to follow the Parliamentary authorities' guidance, saying they should "pull together" to stop the spread of infections.
He added that the measures would be reviewed in two weeks' time.
Most opposition MPs have opted to wear a mask, but many Conservatives have not.
Last week, face coverings became mandatory for staff employed by the House of Commons, unless they have a legitimate exemption - but it was left up to individual MPs to decide whether to cover their faces or not.
Last month, Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg said Conservative MPs did not need to wear masks because they knew each other well, and this meant they were complying with government guidance.
So we are up to 7 day average for covid deaths of 163 daily, which is roughly 1,150 a week and over 59,000 per annum. Excess deaths for last week are 1,722 over the 5 year average up to start of the pandemic (2015-2019), this equates to over 89,,000 additional deaths per annum if that was to continue.
The Blonde Bumblecunt says that he will not impose any further restrictions and that the covid numbers are as they planned for. This is interesting and I assume these levels of deaths are 'acceptable' and don't justify Plan B implementation? I wonder what level of death will be required in order for Plan B to be implemented? At what point will the pile of bodies get too high for even the Blonde Bumblecunt?
The Blonde Bumblecunt says that he will not impose any further restrictions and that the covid numbers are as they planned for. This is interesting and I assume these levels of deaths are 'acceptable' and don't justify Plan B implementation? I wonder what level of death will be required in order for Plan B to be implemented? At what point will the pile of bodies get too high for even the Blonde Bumblecunt?
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It's a really impotent line of attack to try and stick "gov are idiots because they are happy/accepting with/of current deaths from Covid" because as much as you want to couch a question mark at the end of it, in my experience a vast majority of people in the UK simply are accepting of current death rates as opposed to renewed restrictions or measures. Particularly with little public context of figures.
The government is towing the public line in my opinion, not the other way around, and just screaming idiots won't garner any support.
Nor do I think the public opinion is one that can be laid at the feet of our media. It's as typically an uncaring/unloving British trait as any other major crises in the last century from the Jewish refugees, the Troubles, Thatcher's economic overhauls, the colony exits, etc...
There will be better arguments devoid of trying to trigger an emotional response from us.
The government is towing the public line in my opinion, not the other way around, and just screaming idiots won't garner any support.
Nor do I think the public opinion is one that can be laid at the feet of our media. It's as typically an uncaring/unloving British trait as any other major crises in the last century from the Jewish refugees, the Troubles, Thatcher's economic overhauls, the colony exits, etc...
There will be better arguments devoid of trying to trigger an emotional response from us.
What is Plan B, and when would it stop? Are we aiming for zero covid deaths? Vaccine take-up in the UK is probably as good as it will get without compulsion and the virus is already endemic.dpedin wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:43 pm So we are up to 7 day average for covid deaths of 163 daily, which is roughly 1,150 a week and over 59,000 per annum. Excess deaths for last week are 1,722 over the 5 year average up to start of the pandemic (2015-2019), this equates to over 89,,000 additional deaths per annum if that was to continue.
The Blonde Bumblecunt says that he will not impose any further restrictions and that the covid numbers are as they planned for. This is interesting and I assume these levels of deaths are 'acceptable' and don't justify Plan B implementation? I wonder what level of death will be required in order for Plan B to be implemented? At what point will the pile of bodies get too high for even the Blonde Bumblecunt?
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Something to be said for that. In Ireland, public opinion is largely in favour of some form of restrictions. In places like shops, mask wearing is still very prevalent and shops will actively stop people not wearing masks.TheNatalShark wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:08 am It's a really impotent line of attack to try and stick "gov are idiots because they are happy/accepting with/of current deaths from Covid" because as much as you want to couch a question mark at the end of it, in my experience a vast majority of people in the UK simply are accepting of current death rates as opposed to renewed restrictions or measures. Particularly with little public context of figures.
The government is towing the public line in my opinion, not the other way around, and just screaming idiots won't garner any support.
Nor do I think the public opinion is one that can be laid at the feet of our media. It's as typically an uncaring/unloving British trait as any other major crises in the last century from the Jewish refugees, the Troubles, Thatcher's economic overhauls, the colony exits, etc...
There will be better arguments devoid of trying to trigger an emotional response from us.
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Our nearest small Vaccine Centre announced they "will NOT be offering any WALK IN appointments for any vaccination for the rest of this week, unless further information is announced.
If you arrive, you will be turned away at the bottom of the road to ease congestion around the area. The centre is completely overwhelmed with appointments at the moment, but should this change we will let you know."
So, it seems the demand is there but there's nothing like the commitment and urgency to provide sufficient capacity for the vaccination / booster jabs rollout compared to the first rollout earlier in the year, not in my locale anyway
If you arrive, you will be turned away at the bottom of the road to ease congestion around the area. The centre is completely overwhelmed with appointments at the moment, but should this change we will let you know."
So, it seems the demand is there but there's nothing like the commitment and urgency to provide sufficient capacity for the vaccination / booster jabs rollout compared to the first rollout earlier in the year, not in my locale anyway
Again the false use of the dichotomy between do something and do nothing - letting covid run wild v zero covid!robmatic wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:18 amWhat is Plan B, and when would it stop? Are we aiming for zero covid deaths? Vaccine take-up in the UK is probably as good as it will get without compulsion and the virus is already endemic.dpedin wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:43 pm So we are up to 7 day average for covid deaths of 163 daily, which is roughly 1,150 a week and over 59,000 per annum. Excess deaths for last week are 1,722 over the 5 year average up to start of the pandemic (2015-2019), this equates to over 89,,000 additional deaths per annum if that was to continue.
The Blonde Bumblecunt says that he will not impose any further restrictions and that the covid numbers are as they planned for. This is interesting and I assume these levels of deaths are 'acceptable' and don't justify Plan B implementation? I wonder what level of death will be required in order for Plan B to be implemented? At what point will the pile of bodies get too high for even the Blonde Bumblecunt?
We should try and minimise deaths as much as possible by using simple yet proven and effective PH measures such as mask wearing, social distancing as much as possible, working from home of possible, using cheap but effective ventilation options such as portable HEPA filters systems in busy areas like classrooms, workplaces, etc. We should be aiming to reduce covid deaths not accepting the ongoing increases that we have at the moment. Vaccine take up could have been faster and more focused - we could have increased kids earlier and more effectively - why has England only vaccinated half of the % of those 12-17 year olds as Scotland and Wales?
Vaccination by itself is not the answer - it has to be vaccination PLUS PH mitigations, as above, to get community transmission under control then we need an effective TT&T system based on local PH systems to keep any outbreaks under control.
As to when it would stop .... I don't know but certainly not in the run up to a winter when we have very very high covid case numbers, when we know covid will spread more virulently and when we know flu and other respiratory viruses will increase and ultimately see the NHS under huge if not intolerable pressures. We know the levels of covid and flu will recede as we move into spring and summer and in the interim we should be targeting the 25% of the pop who have yet to have their first jab over this period, and that includes kids from 5 to 12 year old who are now being vaccinated in the states. 75% vaccination rates are insufficient for 'herd immunity' latest data suggests we need 85%+ to begin to reduce community transmission.
There is no reason why we should accept the level of deaths we have - it could be brought to far lower levels if there was political will and leadership. As I said in my first post, what is the level of deaths that will force the Gov to reconsider their current strategy? I suspect once COP26 is finished the Gov will decide it is then politically expedient to move.
Waah, Waah, you want another lockdown!dpedin wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:50 amAgain the false use of the dichotomy between do something and do nothing - letting covid run wild v zero covid!robmatic wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:18 amWhat is Plan B, and when would it stop? Are we aiming for zero covid deaths? Vaccine take-up in the UK is probably as good as it will get without compulsion and the virus is already endemic.dpedin wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:43 pm So we are up to 7 day average for covid deaths of 163 daily, which is roughly 1,150 a week and over 59,000 per annum. Excess deaths for last week are 1,722 over the 5 year average up to start of the pandemic (2015-2019), this equates to over 89,,000 additional deaths per annum if that was to continue.
The Blonde Bumblecunt says that he will not impose any further restrictions and that the covid numbers are as they planned for. This is interesting and I assume these levels of deaths are 'acceptable' and don't justify Plan B implementation? I wonder what level of death will be required in order for Plan B to be implemented? At what point will the pile of bodies get too high for even the Blonde Bumblecunt?
We should try and minimise deaths as much as possible by using simple yet proven and effective PH measures such as mask wearing, social distancing as much as possible, working from home of possible, using cheap but effective ventilation options such as portable HEPA filters systems in busy areas like classrooms, workplaces, etc. We should be aiming to reduce covid deaths not accepting the ongoing increases that we have at the moment. Vaccine take up could have been faster and more focused - we could have increased kids earlier and more effectively - why has England only vaccinated half of the % of those 12-17 year olds as Scotland and Wales?
Vaccination by itself is not the answer - it has to be vaccination PLUS PH mitigations, as above, to get community transmission under control then we need an effective TT&T system based on local PH systems to keep any outbreaks under control.
As to when it would stop .... I don't know but certainly not in the run up to a winter when we have very very high covid case numbers, when we know covid will spread more virulently and when we know flu and other respiratory viruses will increase and ultimately see the NHS under huge if not intolerable pressures. We know the levels of covid and flu will recede as we move into spring and summer and in the interim we should be targeting the 25% of the pop who have yet to have their first jab over this period, and that includes kids from 5 to 12 year old who are now being vaccinated in the states. 75% vaccination rates are insufficient for 'herd immunity' latest data suggests we need 85%+ to begin to reduce community transmission.
There is no reason why we should accept the level of deaths we have - it could be brought to far lower levels if there was political will and leadership. As I said in my first post, what is the level of deaths that will force the Gov to reconsider their current strategy? I suspect once COP26 is finished the Gov will decide it is then politically expedient to move.
My precious right you commie!
Howl, something about spying, Qanon bullshit!
Just thought I'd save us all a bit of time.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
The vaccine will stop most of the spread and I understand the comparision to wearing a seat belt.
However, as more and more people get vaccinated, the number of of unvaccintated becomes less. In Scotland we are sitting at about 2500 new cases per day. So the 2500 as a % of unvaccinated must be rising. So if it stays constant and we continue to vaccinate at same rate, there will come a time when all have been vaccinated but we still get 2500 new cases per day. So it is if we vacccinate or not, we will still get 2500 cases per day for ever. So really what we are saying is 2500 what we would expect each and every day when we are all vaccinated and without vaccinations, the number will be far, far higher.
Or do I need more coffee ?
However, as more and more people get vaccinated, the number of of unvaccintated becomes less. In Scotland we are sitting at about 2500 new cases per day. So the 2500 as a % of unvaccinated must be rising. So if it stays constant and we continue to vaccinate at same rate, there will come a time when all have been vaccinated but we still get 2500 new cases per day. So it is if we vacccinate or not, we will still get 2500 cases per day for ever. So really what we are saying is 2500 what we would expect each and every day when we are all vaccinated and without vaccinations, the number will be far, far higher.
Or do I need more coffee ?
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I don't think this is true, since Delta; & I'll dig out an article I found a few weeks ago; but in essence, a study found that being vaccinated isn't retarding the spread, the way it had been expected (based on the early variants), but it does importantly, break the link with hospitalizations, & deaths.vball wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:30 am The vaccine will stop most of the spread and I understand the comparision to wearing a seat belt.
However, as more and more people get vaccinated, the number of of unvaccintated becomes less. In Scotland we are sitting at about 2500 new cases per day. So the 2500 as a % of unvaccinated must be rising. So if it stays constant and we continue to vaccinate at same rate, there will come a time when all have been vaccinated but we still get 2500 new cases per day. So it is if we vacccinate or not, we will still get 2500 cases per day for ever. So really what we are saying is 2500 what we would expect each and every day when we are all vaccinated and without vaccinations, the number will be far, far higher.
Or do I need more coffee ?
So Ireland with >90% vaccinations is still seeing climbing positive tests; but our rickety health system is coping, & ICU usage has dropped slightly , even though our daily cases has doubled in the last month.
Vaccination stops you ending up in hospital (for Covid); but won't necessarily stop you from catching Covid
This is good news:
Covid: Pfizer says antiviral pill 89% effective in high risk cases
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59178291
Another treatment already approved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59163899
Covid: Pfizer says antiviral pill 89% effective in high risk cases
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59178291
Another treatment already approved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59163899
Only the marks where they have been.Mahoney wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:53 amNo flies on you.as more and more people get vaccinated, the number of of unvaccintated becomes less
Romans said ....Illegitimi non carborundum --- Today we say .. WTF
You need more coffee!fishfoodie wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:29 amI don't think this is true, since Delta; & I'll dig out an article I found a few weeks ago; but in essence, a study found that being vaccinated isn't retarding the spread, the way it had been expected (based on the early variants), but it does importantly, break the link with hospitalizations, & deaths.vball wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:30 am The vaccine will stop most of the spread and I understand the comparision to wearing a seat belt.
However, as more and more people get vaccinated, the number of of unvaccintated becomes less. In Scotland we are sitting at about 2500 new cases per day. So the 2500 as a % of unvaccinated must be rising. So if it stays constant and we continue to vaccinate at same rate, there will come a time when all have been vaccinated but we still get 2500 new cases per day. So it is if we vacccinate or not, we will still get 2500 cases per day for ever. So really what we are saying is 2500 what we would expect each and every day when we are all vaccinated and without vaccinations, the number will be far, far higher.
Or do I need more coffee ?
So Ireland with >90% vaccinations is still seeing climbing positive tests; but our rickety health system is coping, & ICU usage has dropped slightly , even though our daily cases has doubled in the last month.
Vaccination stops you ending up in hospital (for Covid); but won't necessarily stop you from catching Covid
Vaccination doesn't stop infection or transmission - it does however make you less likely to transmit covid and you are infectious for a shorter period of time. It also, as said above, prevents most of those infected going on to develop severe disease and being hospitalised and dying. However remember that the vaccines were only ever 85% 'ish effective so there are still a chance of fully vaccinated folk who will develop covid and be very ill or even die. Also the vaccine wanes and over time and that's why for those most vulnerable we need booster shots.
Across the UK 25% of the pop have not been vaccinated - 11% are eligible but unvaccinated and 14% are kids who we currently don't vaccinate. This means approx 16 million folk in a pool able to contract and spread the virus.
All the above means that the Gov strategy of depending on vaccines alone is doomed to failure. We need to have all the other PH mitigations in place to try and control the community transmission of covid. This is not a lock down but sensible fairly unobtrusive measures like wearing masks.
7 day average for deaths is now 170 per day, 1,190 per week or 62,000 a year. Many of these are avoidable. It will get worse.
This is closer to the truth than you probably imagine!Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:24 amWaah, Waah, you want another lockdown!dpedin wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:50 amAgain the false use of the dichotomy between do something and do nothing - letting covid run wild v zero covid!robmatic wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:18 am
What is Plan B, and when would it stop? Are we aiming for zero covid deaths? Vaccine take-up in the UK is probably as good as it will get without compulsion and the virus is already endemic.
We should try and minimise deaths as much as possible by using simple yet proven and effective PH measures such as mask wearing, social distancing as much as possible, working from home of possible, using cheap but effective ventilation options such as portable HEPA filters systems in busy areas like classrooms, workplaces, etc. We should be aiming to reduce covid deaths not accepting the ongoing increases that we have at the moment. Vaccine take up could have been faster and more focused - we could have increased kids earlier and more effectively - why has England only vaccinated half of the % of those 12-17 year olds as Scotland and Wales?
Vaccination by itself is not the answer - it has to be vaccination PLUS PH mitigations, as above, to get community transmission under control then we need an effective TT&T system based on local PH systems to keep any outbreaks under control.
As to when it would stop .... I don't know but certainly not in the run up to a winter when we have very very high covid case numbers, when we know covid will spread more virulently and when we know flu and other respiratory viruses will increase and ultimately see the NHS under huge if not intolerable pressures. We know the levels of covid and flu will recede as we move into spring and summer and in the interim we should be targeting the 25% of the pop who have yet to have their first jab over this period, and that includes kids from 5 to 12 year old who are now being vaccinated in the states. 75% vaccination rates are insufficient for 'herd immunity' latest data suggests we need 85%+ to begin to reduce community transmission.
There is no reason why we should accept the level of deaths we have - it could be brought to far lower levels if there was political will and leadership. As I said in my first post, what is the level of deaths that will force the Gov to reconsider their current strategy? I suspect once COP26 is finished the Gov will decide it is then politically expedient to move.
My precious right you commie!
Howl, something about spying, Qanon bullshit!
Just thought I'd save us all a bit of time.
Vaccines don't totally wane. Still have your T and B cells. If you have seen an age chart of the UK infections recently the spread has predominantly been in the u18s and spill over to their parents. Now dropping rapidly in the u18s. Masks etc at this point only delaying the inevitable endemic state. Not that this government isn't a bunch of incompetents but I'm totally unwilling to have restrictions considering the minor impact of COVID on the young (compared to the impact of restrictions) who have basically had a government (voted into power by the old) that has been a complete and utter set of cnuts to people under 30 for 10 years.dpedin wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:52 pmYou need more coffee!fishfoodie wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:29 amI don't think this is true, since Delta; & I'll dig out an article I found a few weeks ago; but in essence, a study found that being vaccinated isn't retarding the spread, the way it had been expected (based on the early variants), but it does importantly, break the link with hospitalizations, & deaths.vball wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:30 am The vaccine will stop most of the spread and I understand the comparision to wearing a seat belt.
However, as more and more people get vaccinated, the number of of unvaccintated becomes less. In Scotland we are sitting at about 2500 new cases per day. So the 2500 as a % of unvaccinated must be rising. So if it stays constant and we continue to vaccinate at same rate, there will come a time when all have been vaccinated but we still get 2500 new cases per day. So it is if we vacccinate or not, we will still get 2500 cases per day for ever. So really what we are saying is 2500 what we would expect each and every day when we are all vaccinated and without vaccinations, the number will be far, far higher.
Or do I need more coffee ?
So Ireland with >90% vaccinations is still seeing climbing positive tests; but our rickety health system is coping, & ICU usage has dropped slightly , even though our daily cases has doubled in the last month.
Vaccination stops you ending up in hospital (for Covid); but won't necessarily stop you from catching Covid
Vaccination doesn't stop infection or transmission - it does however make you less likely to transmit covid and you are infectious for a shorter period of time. It also, as said above, prevents most of those infected going on to develop severe disease and being hospitalised and dying. However remember that the vaccines were only ever 85% 'ish effective so there are still a chance of fully vaccinated folk who will develop covid and be very ill or even die. Also the vaccine wanes and over time and that's why for those most vulnerable we need booster shots.
Across the UK 25% of the pop have not been vaccinated - 11% are eligible but unvaccinated and 14% are kids who we currently don't vaccinate. This means approx 16 million folk in a pool able to contract and spread the virus.
All the above means that the Gov strategy of depending on vaccines alone is doomed to failure. We need to have all the other PH mitigations in place to try and control the community transmission of covid. This is not a lock down but sensible fairly unobtrusive measures like wearing masks.
7 day average for deaths is now 170 per day, 1,190 per week or 62,000 a year. Many of these are avoidable. It will get worse.
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No, that would have been dumb at the time as we didn't have vaccines or the treatments or the understanding we have now. Due to the feckless nature of our government we have very much been the global canaries. The output of the UK's health and scientific bodies has been excellent impart due to this incompetence. The uk government screwed up massively in march 2020 and last autumn/winter.Sandstorm wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:51 pm Looks like the beginning of the pandemic in April 2020 we should have sent every kid between 5 and 18 to a Covid camp for 2 weeks, get them infected and then come home afterwards with immunity.
Trying to achieve herd immunity by letting the young get infected deliberately and then trying to achieve herd immunity by onward community transmission is criminal. We still don't know the long term health impact of what is still a relatively unknown virus, why potentially consign 1,000's of young folk to an uncertain long term health issues due to covid etc when we have a very effective vaccine and we can use some simple but effective PH mitigations to control cases? Also we know kids can transmit covid to others and the data shows that covid in the older age groups ie parents/grandparents, is rising again.
142,000 UK deaths from covid so far and currently 1,700 additional excess deaths per week compared with the 5 year average prior to covid would suggest the UK strategy has been and still is an abysmal failure. We are going to have a real shit winter folks!
142,000 UK deaths from covid so far and currently 1,700 additional excess deaths per week compared with the 5 year average prior to covid would suggest the UK strategy has been and still is an abysmal failure. We are going to have a real shit winter folks!
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I don't think Sandy was being completely serious.dpedin wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:01 pm Trying to achieve herd immunity by letting the young get infected deliberately and then trying to achieve herd immunity by onward community transmission is criminal. We still don't know the long term health impact of what is still a relatively unknown virus, why potentially consign 1,000's of young folk to an uncertain long term health issues due to covid etc when we have a very effective vaccine and we can use some simple but effective PH mitigations to control cases? Also we know kids can transmit covid to others and the data shows that covid in the older age groups ie parents/grandparents, is rising again.
142,000 UK deaths from covid so far and currently 1,700 additional excess deaths per week compared with the 5 year average prior to covid would suggest the UK strategy has been and still is an abysmal failure. We are going to have a real shit winter folks!
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Booster jab booked for 4th December, exactly 6 months after the second jab.
Just got back from having mine. Good to see how many folk were waiting in line for theirs.tabascoboy wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:34 pm Booster jab booked for 4th December, exactly 6 months after the second jab.
One of the staff said thay had been very quiet for a few weeks until this weekend as nobody was aware that you could just walk-in!!!
Perhaps if the NHS website ahd been clearer we would have seen more people having their booster by now.
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262 Covid deaths registered in the last 24 hours
Plan A sucks arse
Plan A sucks arse
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
Don't know what you're talking about, it's all over. Just ask any of the students round hereInsane_Homer wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:54 pm 262 Covid deaths registered in the last 24 hours
Plan A sucks arse
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Or to put it another way, deaths up 2.6% over the past seven days and the lowest reported Tuesday total for three weeks. The number of Covid deaths “registered” in the last 24 hours was actually 34, although that will obviously rise.Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:54 pm 262 Covid deaths registered in the last 24 hours
Plan A sucks arse
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... e_of_death
Good to see positive cases down 14.8% and hospitalisations down 7.8% week on week.
Yep. Really don't like seeing people using the deaths reported today as the number of deaths for the day as it fluctuates a lot, think the AVG is about 150 currently.Wrinkles wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:24 pmOr to put it another way, deaths up 2.6% over the past seven days and the lowest reported Tuesday total for three weeks. The number of Covid deaths “registered” in the last 24 hours was actually 34, although that will obviously rise.Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:54 pm 262 Covid deaths registered in the last 24 hours
Plan A sucks arse
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... e_of_death
Good to see positive cases down 14.8% and hospitalisations down 7.8% week on week.
Boosters report is really good news. a 3rd dose is reducing the likelihood of symptomatic COVID by x20 for those who have had two doses and the antibody levels are higher than reported after 2doses.
Think I'm getting my booster by catching it. I got a positive lft yesterday (been testing myself whenever I catch a cold). Pretty unavoidable when you have small child that they and you will catch it. Just normal cold symptoms so far.