EOYT Pt 4: 1pm Sco v Jap, Ita v Uru | 3.15pm Eng v SA | 5.30p Wal v Aus | 8p Fra v NZ | Sun 2.15p Ire v Arg

[JM2K6]

The Scots trash the Wallabies. Can't believe we lost twice against that vokkers.

What if I was to tell you that it was a very different Australian team

What if I was to tell you they are where we were shite away from home.

You'd still be shite if you picked a 2nd XV.

[charltom]

You called the Boks to lose against Scotland?

The Scots trash the Wallabies. Can't believe we lost twice against that vokkers.

What if I was to tell you that it was a very different Australian team

No more different than Scotland's was to their respective 1st XVs.

Although TBF Scotland still had most of the same people out vs SA.

[Torquemada 1420]

Well, here we go. Having dicked around with a strategy and selection that was broadly successful for 2 years and Fra playing like turkeys as a result over the last 2 matches, rather than admit the error, Galthie is now into the player blame game.
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/test-mat ... tory.shtml

Jalibert out and Ntamack in. Completely missing the point that the backline was failing precisely because he shoehorned Ntamack into 12 which also screwed up Fickou's long held position of leader of the defensive line too.

BB looks out too so ABs benefit from Mounga coming in. The margin of the AB win goes up another step.

[JM2K6]

The Scots trash the Wallabies. Can't believe we lost twice against that vokkers.

What if I was to tell you that it was a very different Australian team

No more different than Scotland's was to their respective 1st XVs.

Although TBF Scotland still had most of the same people out vs SA.

I can't see how the Scotland team is relevant to the fact that it's a very different Wallabies side to the one that beat SA twice. I'm trying to put Scotland down by pointing out it's a bit of a shadow team. England thrashed them, too - this version of the Australian team is garbage

[Ovals]

Scotland v Japan -- Scotland by 25
Italy v Uruguay -- Italy by 19
England v South Africa -- SA by 15
Wales v Australia -- Aus by 8
France v New Zealand -- NZ by 6
Ireland v Argentina -- Ireland by 15

[Biffer]

What if I was to tell you that it was a very different Australian team

No more different than Scotland's was to their respective 1st XVs.

Although TBF Scotland still had most of the same people out vs SA.

I can't see how the Scotland team is relevant to the fact that it's a very different Wallabies side to the one that beat SA twice. I'm trying to put Scotland down by pointing out it's a bit of a shadow team. England thrashed them, too - this version of the Australian team is garbage

Stretching a bit.

Basically the Aussies are our bunnies. Win 3 in a row, 5 of the last eight, and two of the Aussie wins in the last eight games have been by a single point.

[FalseBayFC]

Just a bit of scrum porn to fire up those fellow front rankers for Saturday. I've rewatched all of the scrums from the Scotland clash to see how the Springboks go. The starting front 3 Boks are real short guys. Ox is 1.73m or 5'8". They're all pretty much the same height. They're about 10-15cm shorter than the Scottish front row. Zander Fagerson and Schoeman are not weak props and got completely smashed here. The Nche-Mbonambi combo working on the Scottish tighthead while still scrumming legally is awesome to watch. Fagersons feet are left dangling.

[FalseBayFC]

From the Bok tighthead side. I never rated Trevor Nyakane but he's one of the most improved Boks in the last year. He dealt with Schoeman with ease.

[handyman]

Scrum porn. Always felt Scotland was ok at scrumming...

[Sards]

From the Bok tighthead side. I never rated Trevor Nyakane but he's one of the most improved Boks in the last year. He dealt with Schoeman with ease.

That whole front row has been outstanding. At scrumming. Really impressed with them. This is their first season together if I am correct.

[JM2K6]

No more different than Scotland's was to their respective 1st XVs.

Although TBF Scotland still had most of the same people out vs SA.

I can't see how the Scotland team is relevant to the fact that it's a very different Wallabies side to the one that beat SA twice. I'm trying to put Scotland down by pointing out it's a bit of a shadow team. England thrashed them, too - this version of the Australian team is garbage

Stretching a bit.

Basically the Aussies are our bunnies. Win 3 in a row, 5 of the last eight, and two of the Aussie wins in the last eight games have been by a single point.

I missed a very important 'not' in my sentence there!

Trying to explain to a Saffer that the Aussie side on tour is not the Aussie side that beat them is the only aim here.

[Gumboot]

I think the ABs side is named tomorrow morning, but this is who I'd like to see selected:

15. Jordie
14. Jordan
13. Rieko
12. Tupaea
11. Ennor
10. Mo'unga
9. A Smith

8. Savea
7. Cane (c)
6. Papalii
5. Whitelock
4. Retallick
3. Ofa
2. Coles
1. Moody

16. Taukei'aho, 17. de Groot, 18. Ta'avao, 19. Vaa'i, 20. Jacobson, 21. Christie, 22. Reece, 23. McKenzie

[OomStruisbaai]

I think the ABs side is named tomorrow morning, but this is who I'd like to see selected:

15. Jordie
14. Jordan
13. Rieko
12. Tupaea
11. Ennor
10. Mo'unga
9. A Smith

8. Savea
7. Cane (c)
6. Papalii
5. Whitelock
4. Retallick
3. Ofa
2. Coles
1. Moody

16. Taukei'aho, 17. de Groot, 18. Ta'avao, 19. Vaa'i, 20. Jacobson, 21. Christie, 22. Reece, 23. McKenzie

Looks weak.

[FalseBayFC]

[sturginho]

Italy:
15 Edoardo PADOVANI (Benetton Rugby, 29 caps)
14 Pierre BRUNO (Zebre Parma, esordiente)
13 Juan Ignacio BREX (Benetton Rugby, 7 caps)
12 Luca MORISI (Benetton Rugby, 35 caps)
11 Montanna IOANE (Benetton Rugby, 8 caps)
10 Paolo GARBISI (Montpellier, 12 caps)
9 Callum BRALEY (Benetton Rugby, 11 caps)
8 Abraham STEYN (Benetton Rugby, 45 caps)
7 Michele LAMARO (Benetton Rugby, 9 caps) – capitano
6 Sebastian NEGRI (Benetton Rugby, 35 caps)
5 Federico RUZZA (Benetton Rugby, 24 caps)
4 Marco FUSER (Newcastle Falcons, 35 caps)
3 Ivan NEMER (Benetton Ruby, 2 caps)
2 Luca BIGI (Zebre Parma 39 caps)
1 Danilo FISCHETTI (Zebre Parma, 14 caps)

A disposizione
16 Epalahame FAIVA (Benetton Rugby, esordiente)
17 Cherif TRAORE’ (Benetton Rugby, 11 caps)
18 Pietro CECCARELLI (Brive, 16 caps)
19 David SISI (Zebre Parma, 17 caps)
20 Giovanni LICATA (Zebre Parma, 12 caps)
21 Alessandro FUSCO (Fiamme Oro Rugby/Zebre Parma, 1 cap)
22 Carlo CANNA (Zebre Parma, 53 caps)
23 Ratuva TAVUYARA (Benetton Rugby, esordiente)

[OomStruisbaai]

Italy:
15 Edoardo PADOVANI (Benetton Rugby, 29 caps)
14 Pierre BRUNO (Zebre Parma, esordiente)
13 Juan Ignacio BREX (Benetton Rugby, 7 caps)
12 Luca MORISI (Benetton Rugby, 35 caps)
11 Montanna IOANE (Benetton Rugby, 8 caps)
10 Paolo GARBISI (Montpellier, 12 caps)
9 Callum BRALEY (Benetton Rugby, 11 caps)
8 Abraham STEYN (Benetton Rugby, 45 caps)
7 Michele LAMARO (Benetton Rugby, 9 caps) – capitano
6 Sebastian NEGRI (Benetton Rugby, 35 caps)
5 Federico RUZZA (Benetton Rugby, 24 caps)
4 Marco FUSER (Newcastle Falcons, 35 caps)
3 Ivan NEMER (Benetton Ruby, 2 caps)
2 Luca BIGI (Zebre Parma 39 caps)
1 Danilo FISCHETTI (Zebre Parma, 14 caps)

A disposizione
16 Epalahame FAIVA (Benetton Rugby, esordiente)
17 Cherif TRAORE’ (Benetton Rugby, 11 caps)
18 Pietro CECCARELLI (Brive, 16 caps)
19 David SISI (Zebre Parma, 17 caps)
20 Giovanni LICATA (Zebre Parma, 12 caps)
21 Alessandro FUSCO (Fiamme Oro Rugby/Zebre Parma, 1 cap)
22 Carlo CANNA (Zebre Parma, 53 caps)
23 Ratuva TAVUYARA (Benetton Rugby, esordiente)

Lots of Benneton.

[OomStruisbaai]

When will Eddie stop playing fucking games and release the England team?

[Raggs]

When will Eddie stop playing fucking games and release the England team?

I think 1.45pm, which I think is roughly when it's normally released.

[vball]

Scotland team to face Japan in the 2021 Autumn Nations Series at BT Murrayfield, live on Amazon Prime – kick-off 1pm.

15. Stuart Hogg – Exeter Chiefs - (Captain) – 87 caps

14. Darcy Graham – Edinburgh Rugby – 21 caps
13. Chris Harris – Gloucester Rugby – 30 caps
12. Sam Johnson – Glasgow Warriors – 20 caps
11. Duhan van der Merwe – Worcester Warriors – 12 caps

10. Finn Russell – Racing 92 - (Vice-Captain) – 57 caps
9. Ali Price – Glasgow Warriors – 45 caps

1. Jamie Bhatti – Glasgow Warriors – 21 caps
2. George Turner – Glasgow Warriors - 19 caps
3. Zander Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors – 41 caps
4. Scott Cummings – Glasgow Warriors – 20 caps
5. Grant Gilchrist – Edinburgh Rugby – 47 caps
6. Jamie Ritchie – Edinburgh Rugby - (Vice-Captain) – 30 caps
7. Hamish Watson – Edinburgh Rugby – 44 caps
8. Josh Bayliss – Bath Rugby – 1 cap

Replacements
16. Stuart McInally – Edinburgh Rugby 42 caps
17. Pierre Schoeman – Edinburgh Rugby – 3 caps
18. Javan Sebastian – Scarlets – Uncapped
19. Sam Skinner – Exeter Chiefs – 14 caps
20. Dylan Richardson – Cell C Sharks - Uncapped
21. Matt Fagerson – Glasgow Warriors – 16 caps
22. George Horne – Glasgow Warriors – 16 caps
23. Blair Kinghorn – Edinburgh Rugby – 27 caps

[Uncle fester]

Just a bit of scrum porn to fire up those fellow front rankers for Saturday. I've rewatched all of the scrums from the Scotland clash to see how the Springboks go. The starting front 3 Boks are real short guys. Ox is 1.73m or 5'8". They're all pretty much the same height. They're about 10-15cm shorter than the Scottish front row. Zander Fagerson and Schoeman are not weak props and got completely smashed here. The Nche-Mbonambi combo working on the Scottish tighthead while still scrumming legally is awesome to watch. Fagersons feet are left dangling.

In the days before lineout lifting, most props topped out at 6'.

[JM2K6]

England

1. Bevan Rodd

2. Jamie Blamire

3. Kyle Sinckler

4. Maro Itoje

5. Jonny Hill

6. Courtney Lawes

7. Sam Underhill

8. Tom Curry

9. Ben Youngs

10. Marcus Smith

11. Jonny May

12. Manu Tuilagi

13. Henry Slade

14. Joe Marchant

15. Freddie Steward

FINISHERS

16. Nic Dolly

17. Joe Marler

18. Will Stuart

19. Charlie Ewels

20. Sam Simmonds

21. Alex Dombrandt

22. Raffi Quirke

23. Max Malins

We're gonna get gubbed at the set piece, so congrats Boks!

[Paddington Bear]

Will be fun if we get the ball

[OomStruisbaai]

England

1. Bevan Rodd

2. Jamie Blamire

3. Kyle Sinckler

4. Maro Itoje

5. Jonny Hill

6. Courtney Lawes

7. Sam Underhill

8. Tom Curry

9. Ben Youngs

10. Marcus Smith

11. Jonny May

12. Manu Tuilagi

13. Henry Slade

14. Joe Marchant

15. Freddie Steward

FINISHERS

16. Nic Dolly

17. Joe Marler

18. Will Stuart

19. Charlie Ewels

20. Sam Simmonds

21. Alex Dombrandt

22. Raffi Quirke

23. Max Malins

We're gonna get gubbed at the set piece, so congrats Boks!

Kak man your Viking is back.

Very strong team England by plenty

[Ymx]

FRANCE TEAM VS NEW ZEALAND:

15. Melvyn Jaminet;
14. Damian Penaud,
13. Gael Fickou,
12. Jonathan Danty,
11. Gabin Villière;
10. Romain Ntamack,
9. Antoine Dupont;
8. Gregory Alldritt,
7. Francois Cros,
6. Anthony Jelonch,
5. Paul Willemse,
4. Cameron Woki,
3. Uini Antonio,
2. Peato Mauvaka
1. Cyril Baille.

REPLACEMENTS: 16. Gaëtan Barlot, 17. Jean-Baptiste Gros, 18. Demba Bamba, 19. Thibaud Flament, 20. Dylan Cretin, 21. Maxime Lucu, 23. Mathieu Jailbert

[sockwithaticket]

Oom, your offerings to the mockers are far too obvious.

Between all our forwards, starters and bench, there's only two who definitely stand up to their opposite number - Itoje and Marler, one of whom has just 'recovered' from covid. Sinckler's almost certainly better around the park than his Bok counterpart, but probably not at the set piece.

Boks will take our pack apart at scrum, lineout and maul. If our ball protection last week is anything to go by you'll do us at the breakdown too.

Boks by 15.

[Ymx]

WALLABIES (vs Wales, Saturday)
1. James Slipper (c) (113 Tests)
2. Tolu Latu (20 Tests)
3. Taniela Tupou (37 Tests)
4. Rory Arnold (28 Tests)
5. Izack Rodda (33 Tests)
6. Rob Leota (5 Tests)
7. Pete Samu (18 Tests)
8. Rob Valetini (17 Tests)
9. Nic White (46 Tests)
10. James O’Connor (60 Tests)
11. Filipo Daugunu (6 Tests)
12. Hunter Paisami (13 Tests)
13. Len Ikitau (12 Tests)
14. Andrew Kellaway (12 Tests)
15. Kurtley Beale (94 Tests)
Replacements
16. Folau Fainga’a (24 Tests)
17. Angus Bell (15 Tests)
18. Allan Alaalatoa (52 Tests)
19. Will Skelton (20 Tests)
20. Lachlan Swinton (6 Tests)
21. Tate McDermott (14 Tests)
22. Lalakai Foketi*
23. Tom Wright (9 Tests)

[Tichtheid]

New Zealand have lost two in a row five times since 2000, in around 250 tests

(I was surprised at how many games they've played)

[Ymx]

Wales team to face Australia,

at Principality Stadium, on Saturday 20th November 2021

15 Liam Williams (Scarlets)
14 Louis Rees-Zammit (Gloucester Rugby)
13 Nick Tompkins (Saracens)
12 Uilisi Halaholo (Cardiff Rugby)
11 Josh Adams (Cardiff Rugby)
10 Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints)
9 Tomos Williams (Cardiff Rugby);

1 Wyn Jones (Scarlets)
2 Ryan Elias (Scarlets)
3 Tomas Francis (Ospreys)
4 Adam Beard (Ospreys)
5 Seb Davies (Cardiff Rugby)
6 Ellis Jenkins (Cardiff Rugby – captain)
7 Taine Basham (Dragons)
8 Aaron Wainwright (Dragons)

Replacements
16 Elliot Dee (Dragons)
17 Gareth Thomas (Ospreys)
18 Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Rugby)
19 Ben Carter (Dragons)
20 Christ Tshiunza (Exeter Chiefs)
21 Gareth Davies (Scarlets)
22 Rhys Priestland (Cardiff Rugby)
23 Johnny McNicholl (Scarlets)

[Grandpa]

New Zealand have lost two in a row five times since 2000, in around 250 tests

(I was surprised at how many games they've played)

But not for ten years?

[Ymx]

New Zealand have lost two in a row five times since 2000, in around 250 tests

(I was surprised at how many games they've played)

Thanks for this buddy

[Torquemada 1420]

FRANCE TEAM VS NEW ZEALAND:

15. Melvyn Jaminet;
14. Damian Penaud,
13. Gael Fickou,
12. Jonathan Danty,
11. Gabin Villière;
10. Romain Ntamack,
9. Antoine Dupont;
8. Gregory Alldritt,
7. Francois Cros,
6. Anthony Jelonch,
5. Paul Willemse,
4. Cameron Woki,
3. Uini Antonio,
2. Peato Mauvaka
1. Cyril Baille.

REPLACEMENTS: 16. Gaëtan Barlot, 17. Jean-Baptiste Gros, 18. Demba Bamba, 19. Thibaud Flament, 20. Dylan Cretin, 21. Maxime Lucu, 23. Mathieu Jailbert

- FFS. These hooker selections get crazier. Okay, we can debate whether Marchand is no1: he probably is because he's the only one who throws straight, often enough. But to exclude Chat (think he is recovered from injury) or Bourgarit in favour of Mauvaka or an unheard of Barlot...... v the friggin' ABs......
- Atonio.
- Woki at lock again. Farcical. Only out of position in order that Gathie can keep Jelonch in the team because he's clearly no Aldritt. At least Tao has gone and a proper lump starts in the 2nd row.
- As expected, Macalou was only ever getting one chance before being ejected forever.
- Backline is at least balanced again with Danty being a suitable substitute for Vakatawa (albeit a pen machine one) BUT Ntamack over Jalibert is a bitter irony for Jalibert i.e. he is dropped due to a malfunctioning backline that largely malfunctioned precisely because Ntamack played at 12 the last 2 games. By that thought process, Ntamack would have been incentivised to play as badly as possible.

ABs by plenty with Aldritt, Dupont, Fickou and Villiere having to do all the breakdown/turnover work for Fra.

[Torquemada 1420]

England

1. Bevan Rodd

2. Jamie Blamire

3. Kyle Sinckler

4. Maro Itoje

5. Jonny Hill

6. Courtney Lawes

7. Sam Underhill

8. Tom Curry

9. Ben Youngs

10. Marcus Smith

11. Jonny May

12. Manu Tuilagi

13. Henry Slade

14. Joe Marchant

15. Freddie Steward

FINISHERS

16. Nic Dolly

17. Joe Marler

18. Will Stuart

19. Charlie Ewels

20. Sam Simmonds

21. Alex Dombrandt

22. Raffi Quirke

23. Max Malins

We're gonna get gubbed at the set piece, so congrats Boks!

Hmm. Agree with the set piece looking like it will get reamed but based on SA tactics to date and ability in open play, no reason to suggest it will be a hiding.

[SaintK]

Scotland v Japan -- Scotland by 23
Italy v Uruguay -- Italy by 19
England v South Africa -- S Africa by 21
Wales v Australia -- Wales by 9
France v New Zealand -- NZ by 14
Ireland v Argentina -- Ireland by 18

[Tichtheid]

New Zealand have lost two in a row five times since 2000, in around 250 tests

(I was surprised at how many games they've played)

But not for ten years?

Last year, Argentina and Australia

but it does show how strong NZ are, even if they are not the side of Ruchie and Dan

[Grandpa]

I think the ABs side is named tomorrow morning, but this is who I'd like to see selected:

15. Jordie
14. Jordan
13. Rieko
12. Tupaea
11. Ennor
10. Mo'unga
9. A Smith

8. Savea
7. Cane (c)
6. Papalii
5. Whitelock
4. Retallick
3. Ofa
2. Coles
1. Moody

16. Taukei'aho, 17. de Groot, 18. Ta'avao, 19. Vaa'i, 20. Jacobson, 21. Christie, 22. Reece, 23. McKenzie

Nice avatar!

Is Cane ready to start a match like this?

[Grandpa]

New Zealand have lost two in a row five times since 2000, in around 250 tests

(I was surprised at how many games they've played)

But not for ten years?

Last year, Argentina and Australia

but it does show how strong NZ are, even if they are not the side of Ruchie and Dan

Oh yes.. I had blanked last year from my memory...

[Ymx]

But not for ten years?

Last year, Argentina and Australia

but it does show how strong NZ are, even if they are not the side of Ruchie and Dan

Oh yes.. I had blanked last year from my memory...

I’m waiting to purge this one as well.

Well, to purge the whole Foster “error”

[Grandpa]

Last year, Argentina and Australia

but it does show how strong NZ are, even if they are not the side of Ruchie and Dan

Oh yes.. I had blanked last year from my memory...

I’m waiting to purge this one as well.

Well, to purge the whole Foster “error”

I see what you did there...

Meanwhile Cane is back... I would have had Papalii on the bench as insurance...

The All Blacks team has been named to play France for the Dave Gallaher Trophy in the final Test of their Tudor Northern Tour at Stade de France, Paris, on Saturday 20 November (Kick off: 9.00PM CET / 9.00AM Sunday NZT).
The matchday 23 is:

1. Joe Moody (56)
2. Dane Coles (79)
3. Nepo Laulala (39)
4. Brodie Retallick (91)
5. Samuel Whitelock (131) – captain
6. Akira Ioane (12)
7. Sam Cane (76)
8. Ardie Savea (59)
9. Aaron Smith (101)
10. Richie Mo’unga (31)
11. George Bridge (18)
12. Quinn Tupaea (6)
13. Rieko Ioane (46)
14. Will Jordan (12)
15. Jordie Barrett (35)

16. Samisoni Taukei’aho (8)
17. George Bower (10)
18. Ofa Tuungafasi (43)
19. Tupou Vaa’i (10)
20. Shannon Frizell (16)
21. Brad Weber (16)
22. Damian McKenzie (39)
23. David Havili (14)


In several changes from the 23 which played last weekend, Dane Coles will start at hooker, with Samisoni Taukei’aho coming onto the bench; George Bower and Ofa Tuungafasi come in as reserve props; Akira Ioane starts at six and Sam Cane at seven; with Shannon Frizell coming onto the bench as loose forward cover.


In the backs, Aaron Smith starts at halfback, with Richie Mo’unga at ten. Quinn Tupaea comes in at 12 to pair up with Rieko Ioane in the midfield, and George Bridge comes in on the left wing. Brad Weber and Damian McKenzie come onto the bench, joining David Havili as the back reserves.

[Ymx]

It looks strong until 11.

Maybe front row need a performance they are capable of.

Mid field meh.

Back row good, aside from Bridge who hopefully makes amends for that disaster start he had.

[Ymx]

I hope nugget fires up that back line.