Springbokke next 4 years to 2027

[handyman]

Absolute horror story in the news this morning.

Jannie du Plessis' 1 year old son drowned in their swimming pool yesterday.

I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Condolences to the family. Not sure if you can ever recover from something like that.

I have no words

[Big Nipper]

Awful awful awful news.

[Blake]

So tragic and on his birthday as well according to reports.

As a doctor being unable to save his own child this must be crushing.

[Sandstorm]

Just tragic. Poor family.

[OomStruisbaai]

Always a big worry if you have a pool.

But vok why not a net over the pool?

Heartbreak this.

[boere wors]

That is just horrible.

[OomStruisbaai]

2022 Bok fixtures
July 3xWales
Aug-Sep 2 x All Blacks 2 x Pumas, 2 x Wallabies
EYT Ireland, France, Italy

[Sards]

2022 Bok fixtures
July 3xWales
Aug-Sep 2 x All Blacks 2 x Pumas, 2 x Wallabies
EYT Ireland, France, Italy

Well we know the NH has not worked out how to play us. So those 3 against Wales could be used to get some form. The Pumas have really gone backwards since pre covid. The Aussies and Kiwis will be the big test.
Then Ireland. Would loved to have played them this year. Will decide about France after this weekend

[OomStruisbaai]

TRC start with two tests against the All Blacks on 6 and 13 August 2022. Look like both will be played in either NZ or SA. First time ever this has happened

[boere wors]

2022 Bok fixtures
July 3xWales
Aug-Sep 2 x All Blacks 2 x Pumas, 2 x Wallabies
EYT Ireland, France, Italy

EYT you can add another Wales test, if I am not mistaken

[_Os_]

I went to the Wales test. Didn't have internet for most of the time since then. Wanted to watch the TV coverage, before I put some stuff up that you can't see on TV (and most of us have only watched this side on TV, I'm one of the few Bok fans to watch the side live since the RWC ... which is strange).

I always get to a test early, cheer the coach in, Vermeulen gave me a thumbs up as the coach went in. Also get in early to watch the warm up.

Rassie was the first out for the warm up, he was in Bok training kit. He gets stuck in like one of the players, it was hard to tell he was staff and not a player. Before the test 23 came out, when the guys that weren't selected were getting ready so that the test 23 could have an opposed training run at the end of the warm up, Rassie was already out there seemed to enjoy getting physical (Marvin Orie was really going for it, Orie looks a lot bigger in person he looks a bit weedy on TV). The next group of players out were the backs to run through the kicking/chasing/catching drills/place kicking, Rassie was deep in all that too putting bombs up. Saw him casually slot some goals from about 30 metres out (off training cones), took 3 or 4 shots and missed none he was laughing whilst doing this. He took all the test 23 backrows and locks through some rucking drills (Nienaber took the frontrows through the same drills, other coaches for the backs doing the same drills). Then the hilarious bit, when the Welsh come out to warm up, Rassie just dumped everything he was doing pulls a coaches bib on and walks to the middle of the park, stands just inside the Bok half and watches everything they do. Two Welsh coaches come up to him and he shakes their hand. Later after it's clear he's not leaving another Welsh coach (Jenkins I think, but hard to tell) came up to him, no clue what was said obviously, Rassie belly laughed and continued observing. Nienaber was taking the side through lineout/scrum and backline drills in the corner, Rassie just remained in the middle of the park overseeing the Welsh warm up. End of the warm up was interesting with full game simulations and half contact. Rassie was also the last off after the warm up, carrying the tackle bags etc.

They wore the new jersey (with the African art inspired design) for the warm up. It has got a lot of hate. It looked okay, but did seem like a Sevens jersey. Would've worked better if it was all white (like the away jersey) with the design on the lower half of the jersey.

Boks produced a lot of overlaps, or at least situations where they had players stretched across the entire width of the park and the Welsh didn't (both sides equal numbers, but the Boks positioning themselves across the entire width of the park). This wasn't visible on the TV coverage at all. The Boks never choose to use that attacking option until the final quarter, often the ball was too slow anyway. Looked like the Welsh stopped defending against the possibility of the Boks moving the ball wide/running, and went narrower. The Welsh were much more narrower than the Boks. Then in the final quarter the Boks tried to pass/run more, the players were there for breaks similar to those in the final quarter the entire game. Conditions were bad, there were sheets of rain the entire match this wasn't visible on the TV coverage really, certainly played a role in the Boks not using the width. Looked to me like the Bok backline was selected to attack ball in hand and didn't get the chance to do that, ended up kicking and it wasn't our best kicking/chasing side (Frans mentioned it had been sunny all week and the weather on the day was unexpected).

Wales didn't offer much on attack, there was no sense Wales were trying to execute any sort of attacking plan to unlock the Bok defence. It just looked like whatever plan they turned up with, that got smashed at the set piece by the Boks and they didn't have much left after that, I expected more from them. It probably would've been worse for Wales if the weather was better. Never felt like the Boks could lose.

Front row and bench front row were all excellent. Watching live, I think opposition frontrows struggle with the body shape of Ox/Bongi/Trevor, very low centre of gravity (short legs and not tall), massive barrel body shapes with strong legs, basically nothing to get under. You can see that a bit on the TV coverage, but it's clearer live.

Frans positioned himself to pass/carrying most of the match (so he didn't stand deep on our ball to run into the line as an option, he stood flat in the line as literally the only player positioned to get the ball wide), slotted in between Am and Kriel, but with a lot of space between them all (the three of them covering 1/3 or so of the width of the park). Just about every time he positioned himself to receive a kick on Welsh ball, the ball was kicked onto the space he positioned himself in. Very economical player, didn't actually cover much ground but is always in the right place, like a really great soccer player when they get old (don't run as much, perfect positioning, touch the ball about 10 times all of it brilliant putting others around them into space). This is how he can be backrow size and last an entire match in the backline, there's no wasted movement. You see none of this on the TV coverage. Fairly convinced he's going to the 2023 RWC and will get close to 100 caps, not bad considering he missed 4 or 5 seasons because HM and AC were morons, probably should've ended up the most capped Bok.

Moment of the match was Frans' penalty kick from beyond the halfway line in the rain. Immediately stood up and roared that over as soon as it left his boot (everyone around me silent as a graveyard), knew it was going over. Frans' performance and that kick is what I'll remember from that one, a masterclass.

[handyman]

I went to the Wales test. Didn't have internet for most of the time since then. Wanted to watch the TV coverage, before I put some stuff up that you can't see on TV (and most of us have only watched this side on TV, I'm one of the few Bok fans to watch the side live since the RWC ... which is strange).

I always get to a test early, cheer the coach in, Vermeulen gave me a thumbs up as the coach went in. Also get in early to watch the warm up.

Rassie was the first out for the warm up, he was in Bok training kit. He gets stuck in like one of the players, it was hard to tell he was staff and not a player. Before the test 23 came out, when the guys that weren't selected were getting ready so that the test 23 could have an opposed training run at the end of the warm up, Rassie was already out there seemed to enjoy getting physical (Marvin Orie was really going for it, Orie looks a lot bigger in person he looks a bit weedy on TV). The next group of players out were the backs to run through the kicking/chasing/catching drills/place kicking, Rassie was deep in all that too putting bombs up. Saw him casually slot some goals from about 30 metres out (off training cones), took 3 or 4 shots and missed none he was laughing whilst doing this. He took all the test 23 backrows and locks through some rucking drills (Nienaber took the frontrows through the same drills, other coaches for the backs doing the same drills). Then the hilarious bit, when the Welsh come out to warm up, Rassie just dumped everything he was doing pulls a coaches bib on and walks to the middle of the park, stands just inside the Bok half and watches everything they do. Two Welsh coaches come up to him and he shakes their hand. Later after it's clear he's not leaving another Welsh coach (Jenkins I think, but hard to tell) came up to him, no clue what was said obviously, Rassie belly laughed and continued observing. Nienaber was taking the side through lineout/scrum and backline drills in the corner, Rassie just remained in the middle of the park overseeing the Welsh warm up. End of the warm up was interesting with full game simulations and half contact. Rassie was also the last off after the warm up, carrying the tackle bags etc.

They wore the new jersey (with the African art inspired design) for the warm up. It has got a lot of hate. It looked okay, but did seem like a Sevens jersey. Would've worked better if it was all white (like the away jersey) with the design on the lower half of the jersey.

Boks produced a lot of overlaps, or at least situations where they had players stretched across the entire width of the park and the Welsh didn't (both sides equal numbers, but the Boks positioning themselves across the entire width of the park). This wasn't visible on the TV coverage at all. The Boks never choose to use that attacking option until the final quarter, often the ball was too slow anyway. Looked like the Welsh stopped defending against the possibility of the Boks moving the ball wide/running, and went narrower. The Welsh were much more narrower than the Boks. Then in the final quarter the Boks tried to pass/run more, the players were there for breaks similar to those in the final quarter the entire game. Conditions were bad, there were sheets of rain the entire match this wasn't visible on the TV coverage really, certainly played a role in the Boks not using the width. Looked to me like the Bok backline was selected to attack ball in hand and didn't get the chance to do that, ended up kicking and it wasn't our best kicking/chasing side (Frans mentioned it had been sunny all week and the weather on the day was unexpected).

Wales didn't offer much on attack, there was no sense Wales were trying to execute any sort of attacking plan to unlock the Bok defence. It just looked like whatever plan they turned up with, that got smashed at the set piece by the Boks and they didn't have much left after that, I expected more from them. It probably would've been worse for Wales if the weather was better. Never felt like the Boks could lose.

Front row and bench front row were all excellent. Watching live, I think opposition frontrows struggle with the body shape of Ox/Bongi/Trevor, very low centre of gravity (short legs and not tall), massive barrel body shapes with strong legs, basically nothing to get under. You can see that a bit on the TV coverage, but it's clearer live.

Frans positioned himself to pass/carrying most of the match (so he didn't stand deep on our ball to run into the line as an option, he stood flat in the line as literally the only player positioned to get the ball wide), slotted in between Am and Kriel, but with a lot of space between them all (the three of them covering 1/3 or so of the width of the park). Just about every time he positioned himself to receive a kick on Welsh ball, the ball was kicked onto the space he positioned himself in. Very economical player, didn't actually cover much ground but is always in the right place, like a really great soccer player when they get old (don't run as much, perfect positioning, touch the ball about 10 times all of it brilliant putting others around them into space). This is how he can be backrow size and last an entire match in the backline, there's no wasted movement. You see none of this on the TV coverage. Fairly convinced he's going to the 2023 RWC and will get close to 100 caps, not bad considering he missed 4 or 5 seasons because HM and AC were morons, probably should've ended up the most capped Bok.

Moment of the match was Frans' penalty kick from beyond the halfway line in the rain. Immediately stood up and roared that over as soon as it left his boot (everyone around me silent as a graveyard), knew it was going over. Frans' performance and that kick is what I'll remember from that one, a masterclass.

This is why I like Os, awesome post. Cannot wait to go to a Bok test again.

Rassie is one of a kind, breaking the mold.

[OomStruisbaai]

Thanks Ox.

[FalseBayFC]

Getting back to the gist of the thread. We've seen enough of the Boks this year to work out most of the potential squad for September 2023. What gaps need to be filled?

Front row - All incumbents should be there barring injury. Backups - Wilco Louw, Gqoboka?
Locks - Ditto front row. Hopefully RG Snyman returned.
Loosies - Duane probably won't make it. Is Jasper the heir? Not from what I've seen. If PSDT is back then a shortish no.8 is possible. Kwagga didn't impress me at 8. Dup brothers are out of favour it seems. Maybe Marcel Coetzee?
Scrumhalf - Hopefully Hershel finds his mojo. But Faf and Reinach will do. Grant Williams reminds me of Aaron Smith, maybe he overtakes Junkies.
Flyhalf - Pollard and ? Elton probably.
Centres - DDA, Am ???? Esterhuizen, Willemse
Back 3 - Does Willie last? Does Fat Frans. He has his fans but Fassi, Green, Gelant and Willemse await.

All in all it would appear that we have the cattle and depth to stage a serious defence of the title. If we take the old stagers we may repeat the Dad's Army of 2015. Frans Steyn will be 36. I wouldn't bet on him not being there.

[assfly]

Lots of rugby to be played between now and then. If we can have a good URC then I think there will be a few more names in the mix for the Wales series.

As much as I love this Bok team, I'm always wary of trying to push players beyond what their capable of and ignoring new talent. Learnt that lesson in 2011.

[FalseBayFC]

Nyakane, Malherbe, de Jager, PSDT, Eben, Kolisi, Pollard, DDA would all be playing their 3rd WC in 2023. Fat Frans his 4th.

[OomStruisbaai]

Most important that we keep our waterboy till next WC.

Hope he stay healthy

[boere wors]

As of now, biggest issue is finding a decent replacement for Duane. I don't think he will last another 2 years. It didnt sound as if the du preez twins are out of favor, rather that they were unlucky catching covid and injury. Doubt that Wiese or Marcel Coetzee are the answer here.

[boere wors]

Lots of rugby to be played between now and then. If we can have a good URC then I think there will be a few more names in the mix for the Wales series.

As much as I love this Bok team, I'm always wary of trying to push players beyond what their capable of and ignoring new talent. Learnt that lesson in 2011.

Who/what are you referring to, in 2011 and now?

[assfly]

As of now, biggest issue is finding a decent replacement for Duane. I don't think he will last another 2 years. It didnt sound as if the du preez twins are out of favor, rather that they were unlucky catching covid and injury. Doubt that Wiese or Marcel Coetzee are the answer here.

I thought Notshe was making a case for himself before his injury.
If Roos can have a good URC then he'll also be in for a good chance come June.

Otherwise there are quite a few to pick from. I wouldn't be surprised if Juarno Augustus is in the conversation by then too, as he's hitting some good form with Saints.

[boere wors]

As of now, biggest issue is finding a decent replacement for Duane. I don't think he will last another 2 years. It didnt sound as if the du preez twins are out of favor, rather that they were unlucky catching covid and injury. Doubt that Wiese or Marcel Coetzee are the answer here.

I thought Notshe was making a case for himself before his injury.
If Roos can have a good URC then he'll also be in for a good chance come June.

Otherwise there are quite a few to pick from. I wouldn't be surprised if Juarno Augustus is in the conversation by then too, as he's hitting some good form with Saints.

Was impressed specially with Roos. Elrigh Louw as well.

[Calculon]

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Scrumhalf - Hopefully Hershel finds his mojo. But Faf and Reinach will do. Grant Williams reminds me of Aaron Smith, maybe he overtakes Junkies.
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Jaden Hendrikse will overtake junkies

[Sandstorm]

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Scrumhalf - Hopefully Hershel finds his mojo. But Faf and Reinach will do. Grant Williams reminds me of Aaron Smith, maybe he overtakes Junkies.
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Jaden Hendrikse will overtake junkies on yellow cards

fixed

[Sards]

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Scrumhalf - Hopefully Hershel finds his mojo. But Faf and Reinach will do. Grant Williams reminds me of Aaron Smith, maybe he overtakes Junkies.
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Jaden Hendrikse will overtake junkies on yellow cards

fixed

What a blessing. At least he will get stuck in and deliver his passes without taking a stop at KFC to eat some chicken wings first before clearing from the rucks so I am all good with that

[Sandstorm]

Jaden Hendrikse will overtake junkies on yellow cards

fixed

What a blessing. At least he will get stuck in and deliver his passes without taking a stop at KFC to eat some chicken wings first before clearing from the rucks so I am all good with that

So you’re ok if Jayden gets 10 in the bin and - since 9 is a vital position so we have to bring the replacement scrumhalf on - here comes Herschel onto the pitch?

You never think these things through, mate.

[FalseBayFC]

Jayden H is still years away from being a Bok SH. Faf and Reinach are our 1 and 2 until RWC 23. Nothing wrong with either of them. I'm very keen to see how Grant Williams goes in the URC and Currie Cup next year. He's way ahead of Jayden imo. I'd also like to see more of Embrose Papier at the Bulls. I think he was discarded a bit too quickly.

[assfly]

Jayden H is still years away from being a Bok SH. Faf and Reinach are our 1 and 2 until RWC 23. Nothing wrong with either of them. I'm very keen to see how Grant Williams goes in the URC and Currie Cup next year. He's way ahead of Jayden imo. I'd also like to see more of Embrose Papier at the Bulls. I think he was discarded a bit too quickly.

He's already got 2 caps for the Boks, and possibly would have had more if it wasn't for his injury. He's already on Rassie's radar, and I've love to see him (and Williams) have good seasons so they can both push for a starting spot against Wales in June. We need to consider our options beyond Faf and Cobus.

[Sards]

Jayden H is still years away from being a Bok SH. Faf and Reinach are our 1 and 2 until RWC 23. Nothing wrong with either of them. I'm very keen to see how Grant Williams goes in the URC and Currie Cup next year. He's way ahead of Jayden imo. I'd also like to see more of Embrose Papier at the Bulls. I think he was discarded a bit too quickly.

He's already got 2 caps for the Boks, and possibly would have had more if it wasn't for his injury. He's already on Rassie's radar, and I've love to see him (and Williams) have good seasons so they can both push for a starting spot against Wales in June. We need to consider our options beyond Faf and Cobus.

Boks are done....

Full steam ahead the URC....

Looking forward to our boys at the Sharks sorting out their defensive issues and getting some wins under the belt now....

[assfly]

https://rugby365.com/countries/south-af ... 7-million/

Surely Roux has to go.

[handyman]

https://rugby365.com/countries/south-af ... 7-million/

Surely Roux has to go.

You still don't get South Africa. This is something to put on your CV, it's a feather in his cap.

[assfly]

You still don't get South Africa. This is something to put on your CV, it's a feather in his cap.

Perhaps I am naive, but I would like to think that the head of our national sport is different to the ANC.

[handyman]

You still don't get South Africa. This is something to put on your CV, it's a feather in his cap.

Perhaps I am naive, but I would like to think that the head of our national sport is different to the ANC.

Perhaps you are. Go back in our rugby history, we have had a lot of villains.

[assfly]

Perhaps you are. Go back in our rugby history, we have had a lot of villains.

Strange comment. Are you ok with him remaining, despite this decision?

[handyman]

Perhaps you are. Go back in our rugby history, we have had a lot of villains.

Strange comment. Are you ok with him remaining, despite this decision?

I don't have all the facts nor do I have any control over that decision, why fret about it?

[Sards]

Perhaps you are. Go back in our rugby history, we have had a lot of villains.

Strange comment. Are you ok with him remaining, despite this decision?

I don't have all the facts nor do I have any control over that decision, why fret about it?

The ANC never had an issue with courts....can take years to eventually get thrown out because all the information waa either lost or someone got killed.

You youngsters.....yoh

[FalseBayFC]

Its not the Springbokke of the future but we have a little hiatus before we can talk about that again. So just for fun, choose 7 players from each SA world cup winning starting 23 plus 2 jokers for a combined 23.

South Africa 1995
15 André Joubert
RW 14 James Small Substituted off 97'
OC 13 Japie Mulder
IC 12 Hennie le Roux
LW 11 Chester Williams
FH 10 Joel Stransky
SH 9 Joost van der Westhuizen
N8 8 Mark Andrews Substituted off 90'
BF 7 Ruben Kruger
OF 6 Francois Pienaar (c)
RL 5 Hannes Strydom
LL 4 Kobus Wiese
TP 3 Balie Swart Substituted off 68'
HK 2 Chris Rossouw
LP 1 Os du Randt
Replacements:
HK 16 Naka Drotské
WG 17 Brendan Venter Substituted in 97'
FL 18 Rudolf Straeuli Substituted in 90'
SH 19 Johan Roux
PR 20 Garry Pagel Substituted in 68'
FB 21 Gavin Johnson

2007

FB 15 Percy Montgomery
RW 14 JP Pietersen
OC 13 Jaque Fourie
IC 12 François Steyn
LW 11 Bryan Habana
FH 10 Butch James
SH 9 Fourie du Preez
N8 8 Danie Rossouw Substituted off 72'
BF 7 Juan Smith
OF 6 Schalk Burger
RL 5 Victor Matfield
LL 4 Bakkies Botha
TP 3 CJ van der Linde
HK 2 John Smit (c) Sent to blood bin 72' to 77'
LP 1 Os du Randt
Replacements:
HK 16 Bismarck du Plessis Substituted in 72' Substituted off 77'
PR 17 Jannie du Plessis
LK 18 Johann Muller
FL 19 Wikus van Heerden Substituted in 72'
SH 20 Ruan Pienaar
FH 21 Andre Pretorius
CE 22 Wynand Olivier

2019
FB 15 Willie le Roux Substituted off 67'
RW 14 Cheslin Kolbe
OC 13 Lukhanyo Am
IC 12 Damian de Allende
LW 11 Makazole Mapimpi
FH 10 Handré Pollard
SH 9 Faf de Klerk Substituted off 76'
N8 8 Duane Vermeulen
BF 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit
OF 6 Siya Kolisi (c) Substituted off 63'
RL 5 Lood de Jager Substituted off 21'
LL 4 Eben Etzebeth Substituted off 59'
TP 3 Frans Malherbe Substituted off 43'
HK 2 Bongi Mbonambi Substituted off 21'
LP 1 Tendai Mtawarira Substituted off 43'
Replacements:
HK 16 Malcolm Marx Substituted in 21'
PR 17 Steven Kitshoff Substituted in 43'
PR 18 Vincent Koch Substituted in 43'
LK 19 RG Snyman Substituted in 59'
LK 20 Franco Mostert Substituted in 21'
FL 21 Francois Louw Substituted in 63'
SH 22 Herschel Jantjies Substituted in 76'
CE 23 François Steyn Substituted in 67

[Sandstorm]

Joost or FDP. FDP or Joost.......nee fok! I can't decide.

[handyman]

15 André Joubert
RW 14 Cheslin Kolbe
OC 13 Jaque Fourie
IC 12 Hennie le Roux
LW 11 Bryan Habana
FH 10 Handré Pollard
SH 9 Joost van der Westhuizen
N8 8 Duane Vermeulen
BF 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit
OF 6 Schalk Burger
RL 5 Victor Matfield
LL 4 Eben Etzebeth
TP 3 Frans Malherbe
HK 2 John Smit (c)
LP 1 Os du Randt

1995 - 3
2007 - 6
2019 - 6

Have a look at those blind sides

[FalseBayFC]

1995 - 7
2007 - 7
2019 - 9

15 André Joubert
14 Cheslin Kolbe
13 Jaque Fourie
12 François Steyn
11 Bryan Habana
10 Joel Stransky
9 Joost van der Westhuizen

8 Duane Vermeulen
7 PSDT
6 Siya Kolisi
5 Victor Matfield
4 Kobus Wiese
3  Steven Kitshoff
2 Malcolm Marx
1 Os du Randt


16 Bismarck du Plessis
17 Beast Mwtawarira
18 Ruben Kruger
19 Eben Etzebeth
20 Garry Pagel
21 Faf
22 JP Pietersen
23 Lukhanyo Am

[FalseBayFC]

Have a look at those blind sides

And Andre Venter was there 1996 - 2001!