The Brexit Thread

[ASMO]

He is already here, i believe under the name of Aficionado

I don't think that's bimbo. I think that's the poster "Bayern". Very different posting style.

You could very well be right, i tend not to study Bimbo or his ilk at all if i can help it.

[tabascoboy]

He is already here, i believe under the name of Aficionado

I don't think that's bimbo. I think that's the poster "Bayern". Very different posting style.

You could very well be right, i tend not to study Bimbo or his ilk at all if i can help it.

Does Bimboman ever actually post about rugby?

[SaintK]

I don't think that's bimbo. I think that's the poster "Bayern". Very different posting style.

You could very well be right, i tend not to study Bimbo or his ilk at all if i can help it.

Does Bimboman ever actually post about rugby?

Yes, certainly on the English Rugby thread on PR when England are playing. Often in his usual style mind you

[PCPhil]

You could very well be right, i tend not to study Bimbo or his ilk at all if i can help it.

Does Bimboman ever actually post about rugby?

Yes, certainly on the English Rugby thread on PR when England are playing. Often in his usual style mind you

Note to self.....never go on that fred as I might start supporting Wales....

[Longshanks]

The Daily Express is so funny.

POLL: Blair wants 12 month delay to avoid no deal – do you agree? VOTE

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13103 ... uk-eu-deal

Asking Express readers do they agree with Blair
And to delay Brexit
The rabid comments too. Nutters!

[Koalabyte]

Watched the first episode of 'The Rise of The Murdoch Dynasty', very interesting. I didn't know Brexiteers were the bastard children of Rupert Murdoch.

Must watch.

[Longshanks]

EU talks not going well on the covid recovery funds. "Heated" debate.

[eldanielfire]

Brexit is gonna fuck us all like 3 Covid recessions and 4 Great Depressions.

Nah. Even the worst predictions of Brexit was in 10 years we'd have a little less growth than expected and none of it was on the scale of the COVID-19 impact. And that didn't factor in the likely scale of money Boris is likely going to invest in un-Thatcher-like ways. Which is good. As I always stated the doomsday predictions of both Remain and Brexit sides about each other was always exaggerated and overblown.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Brexit is gonna fuck us all like 3 Covid recessions and 4 Great Depressions.

Nah. Even the worst predictions of Brexit was in 10 years we'd have a little less growth than expected and none of it was on the scale of the COVID-19 impact. And that didn't factor in the likely scale of money Boris is likely going to invest in un-Thatcher-like ways. Which is good. As I always stated the doomsday predictions of both Remain and Brexit sides about each other was always exaggerated and overblown.

Leaving aside the issues of how Boris is getting his sweaty hands on the money with which he's going to build, build, build, that's nothing to do with Brexit. We could have stayed in the EU and done that or not.

I agree Brexit is marginal Vs the size of the economy, but those marginal gains/losses are still very important. And I certainly object given Brexit was sold on the basis of sunlit uplands when it looked and looks like there's no early reason it'd be an act which would do other than damage the economy. Brexit was already delivering us into recession pre Covid, we just hadn't met the technical definition at that point but we soon would have, and the difference in even a 0.25% contraction vs 1.25% expansion is huge and has long lasting consequences.

Some of the damage that Brexit was doing as regards diminished levels of investment would have recovered with whatever deal was determined, even a no deal, business just needed to know what the situation was going to be so they could plan and invest, this isn't going to happen now that Covid will have burnt big holes through what was a large stockpile of monies which companies had on their books awaiting clarification on the future of the economy. So the hits just keep coming, and it's far too early to say trying to invest in un-Thatcher like ways is going to prove especially useful, even before it's Boris and he's likely to spend that money in really stupid ways

[Line6 HXFX]

The Germans and French must be pissing themselves. All that money invested in Europe over 40 years, hundreds of Billions, that other nations will now benefit from, whilst we get a worse deal than Australia (at least they have a free wine trading deal).

I don't care anymore. So gawdamned disappointed with the UK.
I just feel like all the dangerous resent'tards have taken over. People who are extremely priviledged but somehow retarded by their own personal and petty resentments, who have managed to get into politics and destroy everything.

And as a Welsh Nat, this is actually all fucking great for Welsh Nationalism btw.
Couldn't work out better.

Scotland goes,.. and we won't be far behind.
And yet I am still sad.
All it took (after 800 years) was English peoples misguided and deluded belief in their exceptionalism, and they would destroy the UK in two years.

Guess I should have been complimenting the English all this time and telling them how great they are, and quoting churchill at them.

[Bimbowomxn]

And as a Welsh Nat, this is actually all fucking great for Welsh Nationalism btw.
Couldn't work out better.

[Yeeb]

[Glaston]

2019 European elections result for Wales

Brexit party 32.5%
Plaid 19.6%

[spike]

The Germans and French must be pissing themselves. All that money invested in Europe over 40 years, hundreds of Billions, that other nations will now benefit from, whilst we get a worse deal than Australia (at least they have a free wine trading deal).

I don't care anymore. So gawdamned disappointed with the UK.
I just feel like all the dangerous resent'tards have taken over. People who are extremely priviledged but somehow retarded by their own personal and petty resentments, who have managed to get into politics and destroy everything.

And as a Welsh Nat, this is actually all fucking great for Welsh Nationalism btw.
Couldn't work out better.

Scotland goes,.. and we won't be far behind.
And yet I am still sad.
All it took (after 800 years) was English peoples misguided and deluded belief in their exceptionalism, and they would destroy the UK in two years.

Guess I should have been complimenting the English all this time and telling them how great they are, and quoting churchill at them.

What do you think is the most economically damaging for Wales :
a) coming out of the EU
b) coming out of the UK

You talk about the English as if only they voted to leave. The irony in your post...
Am I being whooshed?

[Line6 HXFX]

The Germans and French must be pissing themselves. All that money invested in Europe over 40 years, hundreds of Billions, that other nations will now benefit from, whilst we get a worse deal than Australia (at least they have a free wine trading deal).

I don't care anymore. So gawdamned disappointed with the UK.
I just feel like all the dangerous resent'tards have taken over. People who are extremely priviledged but somehow retarded by their own personal and petty resentments, who have managed to get into politics and destroy everything.

And as a Welsh Nat, this is actually all fucking great for Welsh Nationalism btw.
Couldn't work out better.

Scotland goes,.. and we won't be far behind.
And yet I am still sad.
All it took (after 800 years) was English peoples misguided and deluded belief in their exceptionalism, and they would destroy the UK in two years.

Guess I should have been complimenting the English all this time and telling them how great they are, and quoting churchill at them.

What do you think is the most economically damaging for Wales :
a) coming out of the EU
b) coming out of the UK

You talk about the English as if only they voted to leave. The irony in your post...
Am I being whooshed?

Do you want to try again? WTF was that?

[Longshanks]

The Dutch are the new Brits
And there was me thinking there would be harmony without us trouble makes

[Line6 HXFX]

And as a Welsh Nat, this is actually all fucking great for Welsh Nationalism btw.
Couldn't work out better.

Hah, I know me and you should have some meeting of minds, that I should recognise all the hard work you have put into this place.all the hard arguements you have won or lost..and agree to prostrate myself before you without you ever having to open your gob, and just recognise everything is now boring to you because you are king of the internet.. but you know...I would much rather go with "go fuck yourself and never talk to me again, you absolute twat".

[Bimbowomxn]

And as a Welsh Nat, this is actually all fucking great for Welsh Nationalism btw.
Couldn't work out better.

Hah, I know me and you should have some meeting of minds, that I should recognise all the hard work you have put into this place.all the hard arguements you have won or lost..and agree to prostrate myself before you without you ever having to open your gob, and just recognise everything is now boring to you because you are king of the internet.. but you know...I would much rather go with "go fuck yourself and never talk to me again, you absolute twat".

[Zig]

The Dutch are the new Brits
And there was me thinking there would be harmony without us trouble makes

There's nothing new about the Dutch position and they negotiate in good faith.

They're nothing like the UK in how they operate as an EU member.

[spike]

The Germans and French must be pissing themselves. All that money invested in Europe over 40 years, hundreds of Billions, that other nations will now benefit from, whilst we get a worse deal than Australia (at least they have a free wine trading deal).

I don't care anymore. So gawdamned disappointed with the UK.
I just feel like all the dangerous resent'tards have taken over. People who are extremely priviledged but somehow retarded by their own personal and petty resentments, who have managed to get into politics and destroy everything.

And as a Welsh Nat, this is actually all fucking great for Welsh Nationalism btw.
Couldn't work out better.

Scotland goes,.. and we won't be far behind.
And yet I am still sad.
All it took (after 800 years) was English peoples misguided and deluded belief in their exceptionalism, and they would destroy the UK in two years.

Guess I should have been complimenting the English all this time and telling them how great they are, and quoting churchill at them.

What do you think is the most economically damaging for Wales :
a) coming out of the EU
b) coming out of the UK

You talk about the English as if only they voted to leave. The irony in your post...
Am I being whooshed?

Do you want to try again? WTF was that?

Your post is hypocritical. You write about economic impacts of the UK leaving the EU, while ignoring the much bigger economic impacts of Wales leaving the UK. You ignore the fact Wales voted leave alongside England. You talk about English exceptionalism, yet are a Welsh nationalist.

[fishfoodie]

And as a Welsh Nat, this is actually all fucking great for Welsh Nationalism btw.
Couldn't work out better.

Hah, I know me and you should have some meeting of minds, that I should recognise all the hard work you have put into this place.all the hard arguements you have won or lost..and agree to prostrate myself before you without you ever having to open your gob, and just recognise everything is now boring to you because you are king of the internet.. but you know...I would much rather go with "go fuck yourself and never talk to me again, you absolute twat".

Want to go over later to PR with me ?

I'm thinking of leaving a burning bag of dog shite on their door step, in retaliation for them inflicting this steaming pile of shite on us.

[Zig]

The EU seems to be working well since the UK's departure.

No grand standing just honest negotiation.

The way it should be.

[Bimbowomxn]

Ireland to be the EU’s 5th largest financial contributor....

[Glaston]

I read some where they were going to be no 4

Germany
France
Holland
Ireland


15 billion for the Irish share of the Covid bailout to Spain and Italy

[Marylandolorian]

The Dutch are the new Brits
And there was me thinking there would be harmony without us trouble makes

There's nothing new about the Dutch position and they negotiate in good faith.

They're nothing like the UK in how they operate as an EU member.

This, nobody can replace the Brits, they are in their own class.

[Zig]

I read some where they were going to be no 4

Germany
France
Holland
Ireland


15 billion for the Irish share of the Covid bailout to Spain and Italy

4th largest contributor to the UK budget too.

[MungoMan]

I read some where they were going to be no 4

Germany
France
Holland
Ireland


15 billion for the Irish share of the Covid bailout to Spain and Italy

4th largest contributor to the UK budget too.

Generous mob, yer Irish.

Give away their arsehole and shit through their ribs, they would.

[Longshanks]

‘Second shock’ of Brexit may be too much for Ireland to cope with, Coveney told
Protection of €85bn trading relationship ‘vital to our overall economic recovery’

Households and businesses may not have the capacity to withstand a second economic shock as a result of a hard Brexit at the end of the year, Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney has been warned, as the Government intensifies its planning for the UK’s departure from the EU.

Given the economic damage already wrought by Covid-19, Mr Coveney has been warned that Ireland is “facing into Brexit from a fundamentally different economic starting point than for a no-deal Brexit in 2019”.

In official briefing documents given to the Minister as he resumed office following the formation of Government, officials also told him that protecting the €85 billion trade link with Britain will be “vital to our overall economic recovery” and that Ireland needs to build a new relationship with the UK and with British cabinet ministers.

Officials warned that “the capacity of households and businesses to manage a second economic shock will be more limited” in light of the pandemic.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4317097

[fishfoodie]

Another marvelous piece of numbnuttery by the coke head.

The new Trader Support Service is aimed at addressing concerns from Northern Ireland businesses that red tape could disrupt the flow of goods from Britain.

An initial £50 million will set up the service, with the full contract worth up to £200 million.

It will provide end-to-end support to deal with import, safety and security declarations on behalf of traders.

Businesses in Northern Ireland can sign up for further information about the scheme from today, before it becomes operational in September.

A £155 million investment will fund the development of new technology to ensure the process can be fully digital and streamlined.

The measures are needed because the Northern Ireland protocol requires it to remain in alignment with EU rules on goods, effectively creating a regulatory border in the Irish Sea from 1 January after the transition period ends.

NI businesses will be able to use Taxpayer money, to utilize a service, which generate paperwork, that HMG bills for !

So this is taxpayers, paying a private company, (no doubt a good Tory supporting enterprise), to fill out paperwork, & submit it to HMG.

Why couldn't HMG just not charge NI based businesses for form processing ?

.
.

Because that wouldn't allow theft in plain sight !

[tabascoboy]

It used to be said NI has a problem for every known solution, HMG doing their bit to create a new one...

[Line6 HXFX]

Seem to have two types of Brexit voter now.
Ones that are deeply ashamed and deeply embarrassed,
And ones who say stuff like
"Well I voted to lose my job and sell off the NHS".

[fishfoodie]

It used to be said NI has a problem for every known solution, HMG doing their bit to create a new one...

I said at the time of the announcement that the UK would go with the paper border down the Irish Sea; that smart businesses in NI would realize that they should grasp the advantage they had over the rest of the UK; & look for more business with the ROI & the EU27; given that would be less hassle than trading with the UK.

There's definitely opportunities there, & it just takes stepping away from the mindset that; EU Bad, UK Good, that can exist in Unionists.

Trading smartly does nothing to weaken the Union.

[Longshanks]

Still no comment about the article I posted in the Irish Times lads?

[lilyw]

Still no comment about the article I posted in the Irish Times lads?

Stating the bleeding obvious?

Government minister says that disruption to trade with one of our largest partners is a bad thing. I know that the UK government doesn't seem to realise that basic fact, however we had spotted it quite some time ago.

[Longshanks]

Still no comment about the article I posted in the Irish Times lads?

Stating the bleeding obvious?

Government minister says that disruption to trade with one of our largest partners is a bad thing. I know that the UK government doesn't seem to realise that basic fact, however we had spotted it quite some time ago.

I think he says more than it's a bad thing
He also says Ireland should be trying to build a new relationship with Britain.

[Longshanks]

What I would add is that it was a refreshing piece of honesty coupled with humility - both sides need a deal!
No deal is not a win for either side.
With respect, many of you Irish lads are as bad as Brexiteers in thinking you hold all the cards
Both sides need each other, whether you like it or not.

[Raggs]

Not really brexit, but this is more a UK politics thread than the coronavirus thread, and to be honest, it's more uk politics than corona related.

So far, lawyers are currently chasing the government on multiple deals made with companies, for around 3/4 of a billion pounds (that they know of), for procuring PPE. Instead of being medical supply companies, or even logistics companies though, these orders were made directly (no bidding process) and have hired the most obvious choices. Those being a sweets vendor, a pest control company, and a newly formed £100 special company. Odd thing is, they all seem to have direct relationships to those in power in the government...

[lilyw]

What I would add is that it was a refreshing piece of honesty coupled with humility - both sides need a deal!
No deal is not a win for either side.
With respect, many of you Irish lads are as bad as Brexiteers in thinking you hold all the cards
Both sides need each other, whether you like it or not.

The only people disagreeing with that statement are Brexiteers. Every single person from the EU side has said that No Deal is a terrible outcome.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Not really brexit, but this is more a UK politics thread than the coronavirus thread, and to be honest, it's more uk politics than corona related.

So far, lawyers are currently chasing the government on multiple deals made with companies, for around 3/4 of a billion pounds (that they know of), for procuring PPE. Instead of being medical supply companies, or even logistics companies though, these orders were made directly (no bidding process) and have hired the most obvious choices. Those being a sweets vendor, a pest control company, and a newly formed £100 special company. Odd thing is, they all seem to have direct relationships to those in power in the government...

This fits nicely alongside the notion of taking back control. Nepotism and corruption for the win.

[fishfoodie]

What I would add is that it was a refreshing piece of honesty coupled with humility - both sides need a deal!
No deal is not a win for either side.
With respect, many of you Irish lads are as bad as Brexiteers in thinking you hold all the cards
Both sides need each other, whether you like it or not.

The only people disagreeing with that statement are Brexiteers. Every single person from the EU side has said that No Deal is a terrible outcome.

Exactly !

On the PR thread the Brexiteers kept asking why we were so vocal on the thread; when it was bleeding obvious that we actually understood the potential fallout, & they didn't.

Oh; & on the we're both screwed front; we don't import >50% of the food we eat, & rely upon migrant workers for a significant portion of the other 50%