So, coronavirus...

[Insane_Homer]

Are you claiming 201 people died in 3 days in August as you’ve stated above?

I'm not 'claiming' anything, I'm reporting the numbers published by the Government.

What part of "first 3 days of this week" confused you? I've linked to the Govt stats. have a look.

here's a screenshot of the data.If you're too lazy.

[Insane_Homer]

Are you claiming 201 people died in 3 days in August as you’ve stated above?

naa it's 193 according to the official government statistics, but what is 8 lives between friends huh?

193 is for England, not the UK.

[Bimbowomxn]

So, IH are you claiming that many people died with Covid in the last 3 days ? Yes or no ?

[Clogs]

I believe he has posted the official stats to demonstrate that many people died. Do you have official data to disprove it?

[dpedin]

So highest death toll in Europe and the largest fall in GDP in Europe ... real europe beating performance from the UK Gov. We must be so proud?

[Smutley]

So highest death toll in Europe and the largest fall in GDP in Europe ... real europe beating performance from the UK Gov. We must be so proud?

Ain't seen nothin yet.

[Margin__Walker]

Technically those deaths are not likely to have actually occurred in the three days they were reported.

Guessing that's laborious point Bimbo is making

[Insane_Homer]

So, IH are you claiming that many people died with Covid in the last 3 days ? Yes or no ?

As already stated above.

I'm reporting, not claiming, the number of the deaths reported this week in the UK as per the official Government published numbers.

That total is 201.

[dpedin]

So highest death toll in Europe and the largest fall in GDP in Europe ... real europe beating performance from the UK Gov. We must be so proud?

Ain't seen nothin yet.

And I'm sure many will argue there is no relationship between being shit at managing the pandemic and being shit at managing the economy. Ain't no economy without public health!

[Smutley]

Well, yes. I was thinking of Brexit though. Be nice to have something to garnish our second wave with this winter.

[Saint]

So, IH are you claiming that many people died with Covid in the last 3 days ? Yes or no ?

As already stated above.

I'm reporting, not claiming, the number of the deaths reported this week in the UK as per the official Government published numbers.

That total is 201.

There are now two VERY different stats being published for the UK (the difference being England specifically)

Stat 1 - The revised stat for the whole of the UK. This has brought England into line with Scotland/Wales/NI, in that a death is now only reported as COVID if it occurs within 28 days of a positive test. By that number, the total number of deaths in the UK from COVID is around 5,000 lower than previously reported, and the 7 day average is around 12 deaths per day

Stat 2 -For England ONLY, the previous stat that PHE were using will continue to be published separately - which is within 60 days of a positive COVID test. No other region of the UK has ever published this stat, and you shouldn't see a UK published statthat incorporates England's 60 days with everyone else's 28 days, as that simply wouldn't make sense

Most of the rest of the world appears to be publishing a variation of Stat 1, but it's very hard to find details

Then of course you can add in the ONS Excess deaths stat for good measure

[Ovals]

Technically those deaths are not likely to have actually occurred in the three days they were reported.

Guessing that's laborious point Bimbo is making

Equally, there will be people that died in those 3 days that are yet to be reported.

[Margin__Walker]

Technically those deaths are not likely to have actually occurred in the three days they were reported.

Guessing that's laborious point Bimbo is making

Equally, there will be people that died in those 3 days that are yet to be reported.

Yep.

[Bimbowomxn]

So highest death toll in Europe and the largest fall in GDP in Europe ... real europe beating performance from the UK Gov. We must be so proud?

People demanding a tighter lockdown and a bigger economy......

And Spain has suffered a larger fall in GDP.

[Bimbowomxn]

Technically those deaths are not likely to have actually occurred in the three days they were reported.

Guessing that's laborious point Bimbo is making

Equally, there will be people that died in those 3 days that are yet to be reported.

Yep.

By the logic being applied 4,000 people have come back to life this week.

[ASMO]

Equally, there will be people that died in those 3 days that are yet to be reported.

Yep.

By the logic being applied 4,000 people have come back to life this week.

So by your own admission, nothing this government tells us can be trusted...okay, glad we got that sorted

[Bimbowomxn]

Public health England rather than the government.... the ONS is reliable.

[Insane_Homer]

Public health England rather than the government.... the ONS is reliable.

Just checking, that's the same reliable ONS that states the COVID death count total is 51,120 as of 31 July 2020 (published 11 Aug)? [Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate (ICD-10 U07.1 and U07.2)]

Compared to the Governments official published count(PHE) for 31 July being 46,124 (not sure if either excluded the now revised 5000 odd or not)

Now, exclude the ~5000 revision from the ONS figures then they are 0.0008% different (4) to the understated Govt numbers? (as per their def below ONS seems to include any mention on COVID)



OR are the Govt(PHE) the unrealiable overstated numbers, in which case the gap is ~10,000?

[Saint]

If you're going to call the PHE numbers into question then you HAVE to question the Welsh and Scottish numbers. They've been working to the 28 day standard throughout, so you would expect the difference to the ONS numbers to largely be there.

What this whole thing really exposes is

1 - We're actually really crap as a country in collating and reporting these stats rapidly, and whatever your views on devolution, there needs to be a UK-wide standard for what is reported - even if collation and reporting remains independent
2 - We've been far more open at admitting that fact. We've publically reported a bunch of different stats that contradict each other, with even explained why they do.

The real coverup would have been not to publish the differing stats

[Insane_Homer]

I've just check, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

minus the ~5000 revision and the UK remains the 5th worst in both total deaths and death/million population

[Saint]

6th on per million ATM to be fair.


Lots making a hard charge up the board though

[Raggs]

6th on per million ATM to be fair.


Lots making a hard charge up the board though

I also wonder what's suddenly happened with Spain's numbers, there was a big hoohaa about how they're changing how they're recording deaths now, and since then, very very few recorded. Sweden too, highest case numbers (OK, more testing I'm sure), mid to late June, and yet no increase in deaths.

I don't think any of this will be clear, and the numbers will never be complete for most countries.

[Saint]

6th on per million ATM to be fair.


Lots making a hard charge up the board though

I also wonder what's suddenly happened with Spain's numbers, there was a big hoohaa about how they're changing how they're recording deaths now, and since then, very very few recorded. Sweden too, highest case numbers (OK, more testing I'm sure), mid to late June, and yet no increase in deaths.

I don't think any of this will be clear, and the numbers will never be complete for most countries.

I thought with Spain they siad they'd only now report a death if it had happened inside the previous 24 hours? So if it had taken them 4 days to get the data to the authorities that someone had died, and it was confirmed COVID, they weren't going to report it as they were only bothered about the "trend", and legacy data distorts that

[CM11]

Spain's figures included antibody cases.

[La soule]

I believe he has posted the official stats to demonstrate that many people died. Do you have official data to disprove it?

[Insane_Homer]

Coronavirus: England's contact tracing app trial gets under way
By Leo Kelion

A trial of the English coronavirus app is getting under way.

It will be limited to residents in the Isle of Wight, the London Borough of Newham and NHS volunteer responders to begin with.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53765240

[Raggs]

Coronavirus: England's contact tracing app trial gets under way
By Leo Kelion

A trial of the English coronavirus app is getting under way.

It will be limited to residents in the Isle of Wight, the London Borough of Newham and NHS volunteer responders to begin with.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53765240

That was news to me... I had no idea we were supposed to be trialing a new app. Saw on community facebook groups that it came to a shock to a lot of island residents.

[Insane_Homer]

-1.3 Million. Best one yet. Best reporting in the World!!!

I look forward to the mental gymnastics Bimbobot's going using to excuse this one

[Bimbowomxn]

-1.3 Million. Best one yet. Best reporting in the World!!!

I look forward to the mental gymnastics Bimbobot's going using to excuse this one

Or you could just check my earlier post today criticising the reporting. I can’t even be bothered to see how you’ve misrepresented this one though. (I’m certain you have).

[EnergiseR]

Was it in the Jews?

[Line6 HXFX]

Temp 38.5
Fatigue.
Muscle Pain.
Serious Diahhorea.
Heart racing.

Thanks again for your bountiful gifts my lovely funny nurse Mrs.

Remember when they went nuts about toilet paper at the beginning, well turns out you should really get the toilet paper in, I have been shitting liquid every 20 minutes for nearly two days.

Feels like my internal organs are being liquified.

[Gumboot]

Have you been tested?

[Enzedder]

Temp 38.5
Fatigue.
Muscle Pain.
Serious Diahhorea.
Heart racing.

Thanks again for your bountiful gifts my lovely funny nurse Mrs.

Remember when they went nuts about toilet paper at the beginning, well turns out you should really get the toilet paper in, I have been shitting liquid every 20 minutes for nearly two days.

Feels like my internal organs are being liquified.

Oh shit, sorry. That's ebola.

Catch you later

[Clogs]

Temp 38.5
Fatigue.
Muscle Pain.
Serious Diahhorea.
Heart racing.

Thanks again for your bountiful gifts my lovely funny nurse Mrs.

Remember when they went nuts about toilet paper at the beginning, well turns out you should really get the toilet paper in, I have been shitting liquid every 20 minutes for nearly two days.

Feels like my internal organs are being liquified.

Oh shit, sorry. That's ebola.

Catch you later

The bad kind?

[Clogs]

2 cases found 200km south of Auckland. Fuck.

[Enzedder]

2 cases found 200km south of Auckland. Fuck.

Same cluster though - we have cars over here

[Insane_Homer]

So UK's new revised reporting of died with 28 days should a new daily total of................18

Under the previous method that number is 70!!!

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3__2_.xlsx

A pure conincidence that in the week deaths start rising the Government suddenly devises a new method...

[Insane_Homer]

-1.3 Million. Best one yet. Best reporting in the World!!!

I look forward to the mental gymnastics Bimbobot's going using to excuse this one

Or you could just check my earlier post today criticising the reporting. I can’t even be bothered to see how you’ve misrepresented this one though. (I’m certain you have).

yep, i misrepresented the data by showing a screen capture from here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ology-note

[Bimbowomxn]

So UK's new revised reporting of died with 28 days should a new daily total of................18

Under the previous method that number is 70!!!

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3__2_.xlsx

A pure conincidence that in the week deaths start rising the Government suddenly devises a new method...

Deaths haven’t started rising this week. That’s the “misinterpretation “ I refer to with your posts.

[Insane_Homer]

Reported deaths for the first 4 days of last week 212

Reported deaths for the first 4 days of this week 271

A week on week comparison for all 4 days (eg Monday 3rd & Monday 10th) shows a rise on all 4 days consecutively.

This is the first week since peak that the weekly count has gone up. So far a rather significant 27% rise.

Little wonder the Govt has mid week sought to revise the numbers downwards.