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[Duff Paddy]

Leo would have been better off responding to the fashion shoes tweet with something witty/acerbic, instead of going after Boylan on an issue that no one was paying huge attention to

I'm all for going after the shinner twitter mob, but it's important to pick your targets/themes correctly

On a day when a republican scobie has just been convicted of murdering a guard, I'd have been referencing Gerry McCabe, slab Murphy, Paul Quinn etc

Missed opportunity

Yeah good point

[ticketlessinseattle]

Good article on cancel culture from the Economist

The new ideology of race
America’s problem with racism can be divided into two parts. One contains all the myriad injustices that still blight African-American lives a century and a half after the end of slavery. The other is the way that factions on the right exploit racial division as a political tool. An example of the first occurred on May 25th on a shabby street corner in Minneapolis, when George Floyd was killed by a white policeman. An example of the second occurred on July 3rd, at Mount Rushmore, against the monumental backdrop of the country’s greatest presidents, when Donald Trump sought to inflame a culture war centred on race to boost his chances of a second term. To be successful, a campaign for racial justice needs to deal with both.
Leaders like Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King used vigorous protest and relentless argument to push society towards their vision of equality of opportunity and equality before the law. Most Americans still hew to that classical liberal ideal as do many of those who marched with justified anger over the killing of Mr Floyd. But a dangerous rival approach has emerged from American universities (see article). It rejects the liberal notion of progress. It defines everyone by their race, and every action as racist or anti-racist. It is not yet dominant, but it is dynamic and it is spreading out of the academy into everyday life. If it supplants liberal values, then intimidation will chill open debate and sow division to the disadvantage of all, black and white.
The premise underpinning this ideology is correct: that racial inequality is shockingly persistent. Even though attitudes to race have improved, the quality of African-American lives has not kept pace. A third of black boys born in 2001 will probably spend time locked up, compared with one in 17 white boys. In 1968 black households earned around 60% as much as white households, and owned assets that were less than 10% of those of a typical white family. They still do.
This ideology also has some valid insights. Racism is sustained by unjust institutions and practices. Sometimes, as in policing, this is overt. More often, in countless small put-downs and biases, it is subtle but widespread and harmful.
But then the ideology takes a wrong turn, by seeking to impose itself through intimidation and power. Not the power that comes from persuasion and elections, but from silencing your critics, insisting that those who are not with you are against you, and shutting out those who are deemed privileged or disloyal to their race. It is a worldview where everything and everyone is seen through the prism of ideology—who is published, who gets jobs, who can say what to whom; one in which in-groups obsess over orthodoxy in education, culture and heritage; one that enforces absolute equality of outcome, policy by policy, paragraph by paragraph, if society is to count as just.
It is tempting to see such ideas as nothing more than overheated campus radicalism. And, true enough, they have not yet taken over a political party. When people speak of ending white privilege, most of them have good things in mind like inclusion and justice. But ideas are important, and the spread of campus terminology into newsrooms and boardrooms invites in ideologues. Their approach is already taking a toll. In universities research agendas are being warped. Outside them, public shaming and intimidation have been curbing debate.
The pity is that these ideas will not solve America’s problems with race. They will not eliminate inequality because they are a poor way to bring about beneficial change. Unless you can freely analyse causes and question orthodoxies you will not be able to solve problems. And unless you can criticise people and practices without fear of being called out, you will not be able to design effective policies and then go on to refine them.
The new race theory blocks progress in another way, too. The barriers to racism can be dismantled only when they are exposed—and so they must be, however painful. But the false idea that ingrained racism will forever block African-Americans at every turn is a barrier in its own right.
And, by focusing on power and division, this ideology only creates more space for some on the right to exploit race as a tool. A fundamental belief in power above persuasion frustrates coalition-building. Essential allies are not carried along, but forced along. When every transaction at work, at home, or at the school gate is seen through a prism of racial power, no encounter between different races can be innocent.
The new ideology of race is not just wrong and dangerous, it is also unnecessary. Liberalism can offer a fairer, more promising route to reform. It asserts the dignity of the individual and the legal, civil and moral equality of all people, whatever the colour of their skin. It believes in progress through argument and debate, in which reason and empathy lift truthful ideas and marginalise bigotry and falsehood.
Liberalism thrives on a marketplace of ideas, so diversity has a vital role. New voices and experiences enrich the debate. Liberalism does not fight power with power, which risks replacing one abusive regime with another. Instead it uses facts and evidence, tested in debate, to help the weak take on the strong.
Liberalism is all about progress, including about putting right its mistakes—and there have been many, especially over race, including finding reasons to accommodate imperialism and slavery. That is one reason why, in the 250 years in which it has been influential, humanity has seen unprecedented material, scientific and political gains, as well as a vast extension of social and political rights. Progress on racial inequities has been part of this—as in South Africa, where liberals joined forces with the trade unions and communists to sink apartheid.
Liberals can help in America, too. Much of the material gulf between African-Americans and whites can be bridged with economic policies that improve opportunity. You do not need to build a state based on identity. Nor do you need tools like reparations, which come with practical difficulties and have unintended consequences. Economic policies that are race-neutral, which people qualify for because of poverty, not the colour of their skin, can make a big difference. They have a chance of uniting Americans, not dividing them. If the mood now really is for change, they would be politically sellable and socially cohesive.
Our Briefing lays out what some of these policies might look like. Top of the list is tackling the housing segregation that is central to America’s racial economic inequality. The reform of zoning laws and the grant of rent-assistance vouchers are the chief ingredients. That would bring many benefits, improving public services and lessening violence. More integrated housing would integrate schools too and, given America’s locally financed education, mean that more would be spent on black children. Affordable measures, including advice and modest cash grants, have been shown to boost graduation from college. A third tool is the tax system. The earned-income tax credit tops up wages of working adults. A child allowance would cut poverty. A baby bond would help shrink the wealth gap.
In the past liberals have helped bring about change when society faced a challenge to the status quo, as when reforms limited child labour and won women the vote. If America has reached such a moment today, it must not resort to identity politics—and suffer intolerance, intimidation and division. Instead, for reform on race that works, it must look to liberalism.

only reading this now - good article

[ticketlessinseattle]

so neighbours of mine returned from Spain 10 days ago ; we get on well with them but they've been breaking quarantine here and there and I've tried a subtle call out on it ; their teenage kid is now doing some work with their builders on another job these guys are working on ; attitude seems to be that no sign of symptoms so all good ; its wrecking my head a bit tbh - anyone else having similar issues with friends/neighbours ? probably going to be worse when school restarts

[Camroc2]

Proposal for an eight storey over basement office block in Mount Street. Personally I like it,but much will depend on the quality of the detailing and finishes.
Planning lodged in June.




Replacing this :

[Munster man!!!!!]

Not that I know anything about the commercial property market but is not the best time to be building more?

[Locke Lamora]

Proposal for an eight storey over basement office block in Mount Street. Personally I like it,but much will depend on the quality of the detailing and finishes.
Planning lodged in June.




Replacing this :

that has literally zero chance of getting permission ..... ZERO

the conservation officer will block the demolition of the Georgian shops (and rightly so)
the regular planners will block it on height, aesthetic and incongruity grounds (and rightly so)

this is a kite flying exercise by the look of things, with the developers hoping they can get it through with two floors lopped off it

[iarmhí]

Proposal for an eight storey over basement office block in Mount Street. Personally I like it,but much will depend on the quality of the detailing and finishes.
Planning lodged in June.




Replacing this :

That looks dreadful

[Duff Paddy]

I’m all for building higher in the city but don’t think that’s a great move knocking down a Georgian building to replace it with a shit 80’s looking design that isn’t even that high.

[Camroc2]

Spoiler

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Proposal for an eight storey over basement office block in Mount Street. Personally I like it,but much will depend on the quality of the detailing and finishes.
Planning lodged in June.




Replacing this :

That looks dreadful

Compared with the 70s/80s redbricked aluminium sash windowed "neo georgian" shite either side of it it looks extremely good indeed.

The question is whether the late Georgian/early victorian units are on the Register of Protected Buildings or not. If not, there's not much the Corpo can do, that won't be reversed by ABP.

And a quick check tells me they are not protected structures.

[.OverThere]

Proposal for an eight storey over basement office block in Mount Street. Personally I like it,but much will depend on the quality of the detailing and finishes.
Planning lodged in June.




Replacing this :

I do not like the proportions of the new building against the existing ones, and having said that, in the picture you posted of the existing building, the balance appears wrong. (Maybe though it looks better in real life).
It is not necessarily the size of the new building that does not seem to fit, but maybe one story lower would be more balanced. I think it is the windows, (or apparent new windows).
Maybe though it is glass v red brick. In Grand Canal Dock maybe the new building could look iconic, but in Mount Street, it looks more of a sore thumb.
I actually find the picture of the plants painted in front of the new building are irritating.

Thinking more about it, I do not like the stubbiness of it. An extra 10 or 20 stories might cure that.

[Nols]

The two women missing from Galway bay found safe and well. Spent 15 hours in the water holding on to a lobster pot. Close call.

[Duff Paddy]

A child passed away Ticknock mountain bike trail yesterday. Everyone in complete shock. RIP.

[Camroc2]

Proposal for an eight storey over basement office block in Mount Street. Personally I like it,but much will depend on the quality of the detailing and finishes.
Planning lodged in June.




Replacing this :

I do not like the proportions of the new building against the existing ones, and having said that, in the picture you posted of the existing building, the balance appears wrong. (Maybe though it looks better in real life).
It is not necessarily the size of the new building that does not seem to fit, but maybe one story lower would be more balanced. I think it is the windows, (or apparent new windows).
Maybe though it is glass v red brick. In Grand Canal Dock maybe the new building could look iconic, but in Mount Street, it looks more of a sore thumb.
I actually find the picture of the plants painted in front of the new building are irritating.

Thinking more about it, I do not like the stubbiness of it. An extra 10 or 20 stories might cure that.

I'm pretty sure that HJLyons are working on a scheme to replace that awful offices to the left in the picture. I'll see can I dig anything out.

[CM11]

A child passed away Ticknock mountain bike trail yesterday. Everyone in complete shock. RIP.

From a biking accident or what?

Last time we were there a walker was being treated by an ambulance crew but thankfully not badly injured.

[Duff Paddy]

A child passed away Ticknock mountain bike trail yesterday. Everyone in complete shock. RIP.

From a biking accident or what?

Last time we were there a walker was being treated by an ambulance crew but thankfully not badly injured.

Yeah bike accident. 12 years old. His dad is a big mountain biker too. Shocking news. Condolences to the family I can’t imagine what they’re going through

[The sun god]

The two women missing from Galway bay found safe and well. Spent 15 hours in the water holding on to a lobster pot. Close call.

Lucky, lucky girls. A great outcome all the same.

[CM11]

A child passed away Ticknock mountain bike trail yesterday. Everyone in complete shock. RIP.

From a biking accident or what?

Last time we were there a walker was being treated by an ambulance crew but thankfully not badly injured.

Yeah bike accident. 12 years old. His dad is a big mountain biker too. Shocking news. Condolences to the family I can’t imagine what they’re going through

That's awful.

[Camroc2]

HJL submitted a planning application for the demolition and rebuilding of Nos 73 - 83 Lwr Mount Street in June. Not the pile of shite immediately adajacent above, but the continuation of the same pile of shite further up the street. Leads me to suspect that the remaining red bricked aluminium windowed pile of shite is not long for this world.

Some CGI's of the HJL application here : http://www.dublincity.ie/AnitePublicDocs/00872332.pdf

[Camroc2]

From a biking accident or what?

Last time we were there a walker was being treated by an ambulance crew but thankfully not badly injured.

Yeah bike accident. 12 years old. His dad is a big mountain biker too. Shocking news. Condolences to the family I can’t imagine what they’re going through

That's awful.

Terrible.

[ticketlessinseattle]

The two women missing from Galway bay found safe and well. Spent 15 hours in the water holding on to a lobster pot. Close call.

fcukin hell ; when I read the story I thought that was the end of that ; I'm doing approx 1k swim a week at Seapoint and am different shades of white and purple when I get out ; 15 hours .....Jesus

[Gav]

A child passed away Ticknock mountain bike trail yesterday. Everyone in complete shock. RIP.

Biking accident? RIP

[Camroc2]

The two women missing from Galway bay found safe and well. Spent 15 hours in the water holding on to a lobster pot. Close call.

fcukin hell ; when I read the story I thought that was the end of that ; I'm doing approx 1k swim a week at Seapoint and am different shades of white and purple when I get out ; 15 hours .....Jesus

Were out paddle boarding, so could well have been wearing "dry suits", or at least "wet suits".

[Duff Paddy]

I don’t understand why they didn’t just stay on their paddle boards - they’re over 10ft long and attached to your ankle by a leash.

[Nols]

I guess the story will come out eventually.

That's really awful about the poor kid. Jesus.

[Gav]

I don’t understand why they didn’t just stay on their paddle boards - they’re over 10ft long and attached to your ankle by a leash.

Blow up boards. Fault maybe? There’s no way they could have lasted 15 hours in the water though. Further details may clarify.

[ticketlessinseattle]

The two women missing from Galway bay found safe and well. Spent 15 hours in the water holding on to a lobster pot. Close call.

fcukin hell ; when I read the story I thought that was the end of that ; I'm doing approx 1k swim a week at Seapoint and am different shades of white and purple when I get out ; 15 hours .....Jesus

Were out paddle boarding, so could well have been wearing "dry suits", or at least "wet suits".

rte saying they weren't wearing wet suits which seems odd

[Nols]

Presumably they weren't actually hanging on to the lobster pot for 15 hours. Must have spent a lot of it on the boards.
Swept away and used the pot as an anchor point?


Incredibly lucky, in any case. Presumed they were ginners when I saw the headline this morning. Overnight on the Atlantic while completely exposed to the elements?

[redderneck]

The two women missing from Galway bay found safe and well. Spent 15 hours in the water holding on to a lobster pot. Close call.

Lucky, lucky girls. A great outcome all the same.

Beyond lucky - can't link at moment but IT has a graphic of where they were found and where they entered the water in Furbo. How far they had gone/drifted with currents/wind, would scare the crap out of anyone.
Edit:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.4329346

[Nols]

Holy moly. Lucky, lucky women.

[paddyor]

I'm surprised leo (or supporters) don't play his gay mixed race card that would mind fuck some people.

He is?

This is liable to drive the ethno nationalists a little nuts and that's before you get to the reaction of the woke wing of the party.

[.OverThere]

They were still on the boards, but found 3 miles from Inisheer. That means they must have drifted what? 30 miles?
I assume they gripped the rope/buoy of the pot rather than a drifting pot?

[redderneck]

They were still on the boards, but found 3 miles from Inisheer. That means they must have drifted what? 30 miles?
I assume they gripped the rope/buoy of the pot rather than a drifting pot?

Presume so. Just tied themselves off to it with a leash/took turns to hold on. Nothing else makes sense.

[Nols]

Decent resourcefulness, all the same. Imagine it could be very easy to panic and loose all decision making in that situation.

[dob]

The two women missing from Galway bay found safe and well. Spent 15 hours in the water holding on to a lobster pot. Close call.

Lucky, lucky girls. A great outcome all the same.

Beyond lucky - can't link at moment but IT has a graphic of where they were found and where they entered the water in Furbo. How far they had gone/drifted with currents/wind, would scare the crap out of anyone.
Edit:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.4329346

Guessing here, but I can only assume they got into trouble on the paddle boards, probably lost their paddles, and the tide was taking them out to the Atlantic. And as they passed through some shallow water, the nearest thing they could find to something anchored to the sea bed was the lobster pot, so they grabbed it. They might be well on their way to the Canaries/Azores by now otherwise.

[Blackrock Bullet]

Not that I know anything about the commercial property market but is not the best time to be building more?

Mount Street has a bit of potential if they can eventually get rid of a couple of those horrid office blocks. Would be nice for some more mixed use along there.

[The sun god]

The two women missing from Galway bay found safe and well. Spent 15 hours in the water holding on to a lobster pot. Close call.

Lucky, lucky girls. A great outcome all the same.

Beyond lucky - can't link at moment but IT has a graphic of where they were found and where they entered the water in Furbo. How far they had gone/drifted with currents/wind, would scare the crap out of anyone.
Edit:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.4329346

I know those waters very very well. Even in mid August those seas can be bloody cold certainly no more than 15 degrees.

[.OverThere]

It seems the fishermen who found them left Galway? Harbour with the intention of finding them.
They did the calculations, and followed their results. Brilliant navigation.

[ticketlessinseattle]

It seems the fishermen who found them left Galway? Harbour with the intention of finding them.
They did the calculations, and followed their results. Brilliant navigation.

that would bring a tear to your eye in fairness - apparently the point where they were found was 17 miles from where last seen that fisherman

[Duff Paddy]

Decent resourcefulness, all the same. Imagine it could be very easy to panic and loose all decision making in that situation.

Yeah very true. Can you imagine the fear out in open ocean water in darkness. Fair play to the girls.

[ticketlessinseattle]

getting very dusty in here !

what fuckin heroes

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2020/0 ... ay-rescue/