Saffers

[Amethyst]

Lets forget all the "confusion" of the SA statistics and look at the USA as an example (a country where lockdown has been relatively lax). Their mortality rate is 3,3% (OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY TESTED POSITIVE FOR CORONA). Again, that equates to almost fuckall of their total population. The sheeple who are driving this virus as being a deadly monster are really milking the cow to a point of collapse.

Finally some numbers from you!

To think only 1.5% of their population has tested positive and they have already filled at least 170,000 coffins. Similar to us, they are also a spike in other mortality stats that is unexplained, so the academics suspect the true death toll is over 200,000.

Imagine the death toll when that number creeps to 5%...10%...

The only real unknown at this point is:
- What causes some people to be asymptomatic?
- How many people in a given population has that trait?

Only once those data-points are known and added to the equation, will we know if are over the worst or if we are just getting started.

The general average (from statistics around the world) would suggest that about 20% of all tests done is positive. That would suggest that the USA are close to or have already surpassed testing 10% of their total population. If you know anything about processing statistics, that would present a fairly solid
"steekproef" of what you can expect the final result would look like. A bit like prediting the results of an election, fairly accurate.

[Chilli]

What I don't understand is why do the skeptics wear masks and sanitize their hands. If you don't believe that Covid is what it is claimed to be, be like the Americans and get together without masks and social distancing. It has certainly worked for them in places like Texas.

[Amethyst]

What I don't understand is why do the skeptics wear masks and sanitize their hands. If you don't believe that Covid is what it is claimed to be, be like the Americans and get together without masks and social distancing. It has certainly worked for them in places like Texas.

Nobody is denying the existence of the virus and that it carries risks if one goes carelessly about it. BUT we do not entertain this Covid monster, mass killer bullshit. The mortality rate is VERY LOW. It seems to me that the sheeple seem to have difficulty grasping "the full picture".
If you come to me and say I have a 1 out of 5 chance of dying from covid this year, I would start trembling in my boots. But if you come to me and say I have a 1 out of 3000 chance of dying from covid this year, I would tell you I possibly have a greater chance of getting murdered in SA this year.

[Fangle]

In the States the death rate continues to drop as they find better ways to treat those who are infected. I have heard some scientists suggest that after a vaccine is found and applied, that tge death rate could get as low as death from flu, in a year or more.

[Blake]

In the States the death rate continues to drop as they find better ways to treat those who are infected. I have heard some scientists suggest that after a vaccine is found and applied, that tge death rate could get as low as death from flu, in a year or more.

Indeed; and that is excellent progress from where we where 3-4 months ago.
The same has been true in the Western Cape where a regimen of high-flow nasal oxygen early on, and then a treatment of steroids if pneumonia starts to develop has been effective in most cases.
Obese, diabetic and hypertension patients provide a tougher challenge as they are more susceptible to the vascular effects of the disease...such as clotting. So that has to be managed.

It is wonderful that this level of progress has been made, but the required treatments can only be provided if hospital intake volumes can be managed, and the only way to do that is to limit new infections so that the patient discharge rate is in equilibrium with the new admission rate...and if enough stock of the required medications etc is available.

So yes, the situation is not nearly as dire as it used to be, but it will still be very problematic when there are localised spikes in new infections that exceed the carrying capacity of the medical infrastructure in that area.

[Blake]

The general average (from statistics around the world) would suggest that about 20% of all tests done is positive. That would suggest that the USA are close to or have already surpassed testing 10% of their total population. If you know anything about processing statistics, that would present a fairly solid
"steekproef" of what you can expect the final result would look like. A bit like prediting the results of an election, fairly accurate.

You will have to unpack that statement, because I can't make sense of it.

Because the USA's Test Positivity Rate is approximately 20%, it means that 10% of their total population has been infected already?



My understanding of a 20% Test positivity Rate is that it is an indication of unconstained community spread. 1 out of 5 people that show symptoms, and think they have it, and go to get tested, actually have it.

[Amethyst]

In the States the death rate continues to drop as they find better ways to treat those who are infected. I have heard some scientists suggest that after a vaccine is found and applied, that tge death rate could get as low as death from flu, in a year or more.

Indeed; and that is excellent progress from where we where 3-4 months ago.
The same has been true in the Western Cape where a regimen of high-flow nasal oxygen early on, and then a treatment of steroids if pneumonia starts to develop has been effective in most cases.
Obese, diabetic and hypertension patients provide a tougher challenge as they are more susceptible to the vascular effects of the disease...such as clotting. So that has to be managed.

It is wonderful that this level of progress has been made, but the required treatments can only be provided if hospital intake volumes can be managed, and the only way to do that is to limit new infections so that the patient discharge rate is in equilibrium with the new admission rate...and if enough stock of the required medications etc is available.

So yes, the situation is not nearly as dire as it used to be, but it will still be very problematic when there are localised spikes in new infections that exceed the carrying capacity of the medical infrastructure in that area.

The situation has never been dire, it's just that the government and media made you to believe it was.

[Big Nipper]

In the States the death rate continues to drop as they find better ways to treat those who are infected. I have heard some scientists suggest that after a vaccine is found and applied, that tge death rate could get as low as death from flu, in a year or more.

Indeed; and that is excellent progress from where we where 3-4 months ago.
The same has been true in the Western Cape where a regimen of high-flow nasal oxygen early on, and then a treatment of steroids if pneumonia starts to develop has been effective in most cases.
Obese, diabetic and hypertension patients provide a tougher challenge as they are more susceptible to the vascular effects of the disease...such as clotting. So that has to be managed.

It is wonderful that this level of progress has been made, but the required treatments can only be provided if hospital intake volumes can be managed, and the only way to do that is to limit new infections so that the patient discharge rate is in equilibrium with the new admission rate...and if enough stock of the required medications etc is available.

So yes, the situation is not nearly as dire as it used to be, but it will still be very problematic when there are localised spikes in new infections that exceed the carrying capacity of the medical infrastructure in that area.

The situation has never been dire, it's just that the government and media made you to believe it was.

Go on, call it by the name you want to - a plandemic?

[Amethyst]

The general average (from statistics around the world) would suggest that about 20% of all tests done is positive. That would suggest that the USA are close to or have already surpassed testing 10% of their total population. If you know anything about processing statistics, that would present a fairly solid
"steekproef" of what you can expect the final result would look like. A bit like prediting the results of an election, fairly accurate.

You will have to unpack that statement, because I can't make sense of it.

Because the USA's Test Positivity Rate is approximately 20%, it means that 10% of their total population has been infected already?



My understanding of a 20% Test positivity Rate is that it is an indication of unconstained community spread. 1 out of 5 people that show symptoms, and think they have it, and go to get tested, actually have it.

Read again, SLOWLY.

[Blake]

Okay boet.

I'm glad 10% of the people have been tested and that 20% positives means that most people have already probably had it already and all this is overhyped and we should stop with all the lockdowns and all the restrictions immediately. 0.03% is nothing and we should go back to normal ASAP. You have convinced me

[Amethyst]

Okay boet.

I'm glad 10% of the people have been tested and that 20% positives means that most people have already probably had it already and all this is overhyped and we should stop with all the lockdowns and all the restrictions immediately. 0.03% is nothing and we should go back to normal ASAP. You have convinced me

Can't help you with your comprehension problems but the parts in bold is about right as far as SA is concerned.

[Sards]

So the western cape is decommissioning its ICC emergency facility already. I have been out and about since 1 May.. Maybe I was just lucky. Or maybe all the exposure I have had with the thousands of people I have met and interacted with haa been offset by the flu vaccine I had before lockdown. I certainly am glad I have been living my life or my business would be down the tubes and I would never have considered another venture. My staff are at a full weeks work again for most of them and although I still have not taken a salary the future is looking very bright.

I suppose it all depends on what type of person you are. The half full or half empty type.

Thr one thing I have learned from Covid. Playing it straight is definitely the wrong way to approach our government . What was I thinking before.

[Big Nipper]

So the western cape is decommissioning its ICC emergency facility already. I have been out and about since 1 May.. Maybe I was just lucky. Or maybe all the exposure I have had with the thousands of people I have met and interacted with haa been offset by the flu vaccine I had before lockdown. I certainly am glad I have been living my life or my business would be down the tubes and I would never have considered another venture. My staff are at a full weeks work again for most of them and although I still have not taken a salary the future is looking very bright.

I suppose it all depends on what type of person you are. The half full or half empty type.

Thr one thing I have learned from Covid. Playing it straight is definitely the wrong way to approach our government . What was I thinking before.

I think it is quite clear to all that thinking is not your strong suit

[Sards]

peace Nips.....dealing with children feeling isolated because of Covid is a challenge enough.

[sorCrer]

peace Nips.....dealing with children feeling isolated because of Covid is a challenge enough.

No sympathy. You made them and are responsible for them so don't complain about it.

[Amethyst]

peace Nips.....dealing with children feeling isolated because of Covid is a challenge enough.

Just ignore that despicable character. He only comes here to deliver his shit one-liner insults. Kak poster, not worth to entertain.

[Chilli]

peace Nips.....dealing with children feeling isolated because of Covid is a challenge enough.

Just ignore that despicable character. He only comes here to deliver his shit one-liner insults. Kak poster, not worth to entertain.

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

[Amethyst]

And, Kopdoek extends the state of emergency to 15/9/2020. So, all we can hope for is a drop to level 2 now. Ag, jirre tog........


Where's her mask?

[Amethyst]

peace Nips.....dealing with children feeling isolated because of Covid is a challenge enough.

Just ignore that despicable character. He only comes here to deliver his shit one-liner insults. Kak poster, not worth to entertain.

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

Julle tweetjies is ewe kak maar jy kan darem kosmaak.

[Sards]

peace Nips.....dealing with children feeling isolated because of Covid is a challenge enough.

No sympathy. You made them and are responsible for them so don't complain about it.

the point is...I didn't make Nipper so would appreciate him taking his shit elsewhere as I don't have the energy

[Blake]

Level 2

Booze, smokes, inter-provincial travel all allowed now.
Booze also allowed in restaurants until 22:00.
Parks, beaches and gyms to open.
Sport allowed but no crowds.
Gatherings limited to 50 max.

Masks still mandatory.
Curfew still in place.

[Sards]

Level 2

Booze, smokes, inter-provincial travel all allowed now.
Booze also allowed in restaurants until 22:00.
Parks, beaches and gyms to open.
Sport allowed but no crowds.
Gatherings limited to 50 max.

Masks still mandatory.
Curfew still in place.

I do not understand the curfew bit. It makes absolutely no sense

[Chilli]

Level 2

Booze, smokes, inter-provincial travel all allowed now.
Booze also allowed in restaurants until 22:00.
Parks, beaches and gyms to open.
Sport allowed but no crowds.
Gatherings limited to 50 max.

Masks still mandatory.
Curfew still in place.

I do not understand the curfew bit. It makes absolutely no sense

The curfew is to try and prevent people from being out till all hours getting pissed and stabbong, killing, drunk driving & getting into accidents. It wont work, but it is an attempt.

[Amethyst]

This is what it should have been like four months ago after the first total lockdown (the non-sensical curfew apart). Quite funny how smoking has gone from the greatest sin on earth to being okay. But of course you just need to put a little pressure on the simpletons with a court case or two and they cave in because their arguments are so fucking unbelievably ridiculous (but not before spending tax payers' money on actually trying to defend the undefendable). But hey ho, be happy. We can now actually walk on the beach and not alongside it.

[Amethyst]

Level 2

Booze, smokes, inter-provincial travel all allowed now.
Booze also allowed in restaurants until 22:00.
Parks, beaches and gyms to open.
Sport allowed but no crowds.
Gatherings limited to 50 max.

Masks still mandatory.
Curfew still in place.

I do not understand the curfew bit. It makes absolutely no sense

The curfew is to try and prevent people from being out till all hours getting pissed and stabbong, killing, drunk driving & getting into accidents. It wont work, but it is an attempt.

So it should be permanent then.

[Blake]

Curfew makes a lot of sense.
Annoying, but a very small sacrifice in the grand scheme of things.

It curbs 3 things: late night partying that will be impossible to contact trace, drunk driving and street racing...all things that are an unnessasary drain on resources.

[Amethyst]

I don't have a problem with the alcohol restrictions and they may even make it permanent. Any "sensible" user should not have a problem with such an arrangement.

[Amethyst]

Curfew makes a lot of sense.
Annoying, but a very small sacrifice in the grand scheme of things.

It curbs 3 things: late night partying that will be impossible to contact trace, drunk driving and street racing...all things that are an unnessasary drain on resources.

For how long? You do realise this is a major restriction on your freedom of movement, a basic human right. You are basically jailed for those hours.

[Sandstorm]

Curfew makes a lot of sense.
Annoying, but a very small sacrifice in the grand scheme of things.

It curbs 3 things: late night partying that will be impossible to contact trace, drunk driving and street racing...all things that are an unnessasary drain on resources.

For how long? You do realise this is a major restriction on your freedom of movement, a basic human right. You are basically jailed for those hours.

You talk a lot of shit.

[Blake]

Curfew makes a lot of sense.
Annoying, but a very small sacrifice in the grand scheme of things.

It curbs 3 things: late night partying that will be impossible to contact trace, drunk driving and street racing...all things that are an unnessasary drain on resources.

For how long? You do realise this is a major restriction on your freedom of movement, a basic human right. You are basically jailed for those hours.

It’s not lost on me, I just don’t consider it to be a major one. A temporary minor inconvenience for the greater good. Until when? I’m not an expert, but it probably makes sense until we drop down to Level 1...whenever that is. I’m just of the opinion it has more upsides than downsides.

Personally I’m more concerned with other rights being under threat, such as the FPB censoring the internet. In my opinion that is a much bigger threat.

[Amethyst]

Curfew makes a lot of sense.
Annoying, but a very small sacrifice in the grand scheme of things.

It curbs 3 things: late night partying that will be impossible to contact trace, drunk driving and street racing...all things that are an unnessasary drain on resources.

For how long? You do realise this is a major restriction on your freedom of movement, a basic human right. You are basically jailed for those hours.

It’s not lost on me, I just don’t consider it to be a major one. A temporary minor inconvenience for the greater good. Until when? I’m not an expert, but it probably makes sense until we drop down to Level 1...whenever that is. I’m just of the opinion it has more upsides than downsides.

Personally I’m more concerned with other rights being under threat, such as the FPB censoring the internet. In my opinion that is a much bigger threat.

It may not bother yourself but what about other law-abiding citizens for whom their human rights do matter? So how long have we already had this curfew? Besides, this curfew has nothing to do with the virus but it's rather a sign of an inapt government which have failed the country on all levels. Pathetic, inapt, corrupt bunch of communists.

[Amethyst]

I didn't see Ramaphosa's whole speech last night but according to Steenhuisen he admitted that the models used to grind the economy to a halt have been WRONG. So the ANC fucks up (as usual) and just gets away with it without any consequences.

[OomStruisbaai]

The reason why they played kak on friday

[OomStruisbaai]

Level 2

Booze, smokes, inter-provincial travel all allowed now.
Booze also allowed in restaurants until 22:00.
Parks, beaches and gyms to open.
Sport allowed but no crowds.
Gatherings limited to 50 max.

Masks still mandatory.
Curfew still in place.

No international travel.

[Sandstorm]

Level 2

Booze, smokes, inter-provincial travel all allowed now.
Booze also allowed in restaurants until 22:00.
Parks, beaches and gyms to open.
Sport allowed but no crowds.
Gatherings limited to 50 max.

Masks still mandatory.
Curfew still in place.

No international travel.

Where do you want to go? Lagos?

[OomStruisbaai]

Level 2

Booze, smokes, inter-provincial travel all allowed now.
Booze also allowed in restaurants until 22:00.
Parks, beaches and gyms to open.
Sport allowed but no crowds.
Gatherings limited to 50 max.

Masks still mandatory.
Curfew still in place.

No international travel.

Where do you want to go? Lagos?

Ja, you also want to visit Wynberg.

[Amethyst]

No international travel.

Where do you want to go? Lagos?

Ja, you also want to visit Wynberg.

Ek het so gehoop jy ignoreer net die trol.

[Amethyst]

The reason why they played kak on friday

Only 4 bent the knee but none of the 8 saffers did (they only wore anti-racsism t-shirts)

[OomStruisbaai]

Where do you want to go? Lagos?

Ja, you also want to visit Wynberg.

Ek het so gehoop jy ignoreer net die trol.

Sandy? Hy is n goeie Soutie trol.

[Amethyst]

Ja, you also want to visit Wynberg.

Ek het so gehoop jy ignoreer net die trol.

Sandy? Hy is n goeie Soutie trol.

Jy kan maar kyk, hy trol al die kommentare waar hy gaan. Maak uiters selde 'n waardevolle (of enige) bydrae tot die topic. Die probleem is, hy is 'n kak trol. Nie slim nie en ook nie snaaks nie.