Official Match Thread - England v Ireland

[Hal Jordan]

Good man ER. Gotta tell it like it is ya know.

FM. I've enjoyed a few years of not having to suffer The Swarm.

You are a whingy cnut arent you. Will you ever go and support france instead of giving out about them the whole time.

That is supporting France.

[Ovals]

It's a law that makes sense in rugby league and doesn't in Union.

Nah. If a team wants to commit everybody on the "tackle line" and leave the backfield unmarked, they are liable to get punished. Simples.

This is silly. A large number of them come from turnover ball, and why on earth are we rewarding a lucky bounce with possession on top of the 60m+ territory gain? It's ridiculous.

Both of them today weren't because England had everyone up in the tackle line

I agree - it just encourages more kicking.

[Torquemada 1420]

You are a whingy cnut arent you. Will you ever go and support france instead of giving out about them the whole time.

I've attended more France games than you've said Hail Marys.

[Torquemada 1420]

FM. I've enjoyed a few years of not having to suffer The Swarm.

You are a whingy cnut arent you. Will you ever go and support france instead of giving out about them the whole time.

That is supporting France.

Quite.

[Flockwitt]

FM. I've enjoyed a few years of not having to suffer The Swarm.

You are a whingy cnut arent you. Will you ever go and support france instead of giving out about them the whole time.

That is supporting France.

[OomStruisbaai]

Congrats to Ireland. Nearly 50.

[Tichtheid]

Ellis Genge was Player of the Match by a country mile, despite the dodgy 'tash

[Ovals]

Congrats to Ireland. Nearly 50.

Point of order - the margin was closer to zero than it was to your predicted 50

[OomStruisbaai]

Congrats to Ireland. Nearly 50.

Point of order - the margin was closer to zero than it was to your predicted 50

got it all wrong. Should always back the teams in green.

[sockwithaticket]

U20s have just kicked off for anyone interested in more disappointment.

[sockwithaticket]

Much better from England U20s so far.

[PCPhil]

Had to watch on recording due to family insistence o dinner duties.

When are players ever going to learn. Should penalise all tackles above tits with auto penalty. Stop going for the DOMINANT tackle.
England good in defence but no pace in back 3. Steward is fantastic in air but why can’t we get an Olympic sprint coach to tell players how to go a bit faster. His kicks at the end were rubbish and lost us momentum.
England scrum magnificent, maybe Nowell is a forward.

[Openside]

Can't fault the effort. Still, 0-4 in tries, a big home defeat on the scoreboard, and another bad six nations final position staring Eddie in the face.

Furlong should have been carded around 50 mins. Would have been very interesting then.

Six penalties out of 10 scrums wasn’t it?

Time for a massive rethink around scrums they are just penalty machines and are fucking dull. Not a single scrum completed without infringement until half way through second half - I am over them.

[Openside]

Six penalties out of 10 scrums wasn’t it?

Time for a massive rethink around scrums they are just penalty machines and are fucking dull. Not a single scrum completed without infringement until half way through second half - I am over them.

Ahh you would rarely see a scrum dominant at this level and the team were rightly rewarded for it. We didn't expect that Ireland front row to be so shite despite being short two first choice.

Why does being pushed backwards = penalty you don't get a penalty for knocking someone back in a tackle...

They take too long and invariably there is some technical bollox that causes either a penalty or a reset.

[sockwithaticket]

That is some bullshit. Ref fully collides with English tacklers by being in the way. Waves play on and Ireland get to the line.

[sockwithaticket]

Time for a massive rethink around scrums they are just penalty machines and are fucking dull. Not a single scrum completed without infringement until half way through second half - I am over them.

Ahh you would rarely see a scrum dominant at this level and the team were rightly rewarded for it. We didn't expect that Ireland front row to be so shite despite being short two first choice.

Why does being pushed backwards = penalty you don't get a penalty for knocking someone back in a tackle...

They take too long and invariably there is some technical bollox that causes either a penalty or a reset.

It doesn't. If you simply go backwards, refs don't blow up as no offence has been committed. If you sheer off, break binds, stand up, go to floor or in any other way bottle out of the scrum contest it's a penalty.

[Margin__Walker]

TMO having to remind the ref of the laws there

[JM2K6]

TMO having to remind the ref of the laws there

Always have to bear in mind they're very inexperienced but yeah, been a struggle so far

[Openside]

Ahh you would rarely see a scrum dominant at this level and the team were rightly rewarded for it. We didn't expect that Ireland front row to be so shite despite being short two first choice.

Why does being pushed backwards = penalty you don't get a penalty for knocking someone back in a tackle...

They take too long and invariably there is some technical bollox that causes either a penalty or a reset.

It doesn't. If you simply go backwards, refs don't blow up as no offence has been committed. If you sheer off, break binds, stand up, go to floor or in any other way bottle out of the scrum contest it's a penalty.

It never happens like that though. Its a farce.

[sockwithaticket]

Not sure him spilling out of the maul like that was entirely the plan, but he took that try well.

[sockwithaticket]

Why does being pushed backwards = penalty you don't get a penalty for knocking someone back in a tackle...

They take too long and invariably there is some technical bollox that causes either a penalty or a reset.

It doesn't. If you simply go backwards, refs don't blow up as no offence has been committed. If you sheer off, break binds, stand up, go to floor or in any other way bottle out of the scrum contest it's a penalty.

It never happens like that though. Its a farce.

Teams might want to put some training into retreating a scrum legally. In the various videos teams drop of training, including scrum, I've never seen it.

[JM2K6]

He drops it backwards, mind

[Margin__Walker]

It's not risky. There's pen advantage

No need for any benefit of the doubt

[JM2K6]

Did he actually tap that mark

[ASMO]

England will not be getting another penny out of me until that cunt Jones is gone, fuck him and the fuck car crash he has turned England into.

[JM2K6]

"Hands on the ball, play on" yeah that's not actually the law mate

[Margin__Walker]

"Hands on the ball, play on" yeah that's not actually the law mate

I wasn't going to mention that one. Will stop giving the ref a hard time now though.

Surprised Ireland took HT with that pen. If they'd played they'd have had a lineout in our half. Pretty conservative option.

[sockwithaticket]

The sort of mixed bag this group of U20s have been delivering all tournament so far.

"Hands on the ball, play on" yeah that's not actually the law mate

He's had a couple of those. Don't know if it's him not finding the right words for what he means or if he's legitimately getting laws wrong.

[Ymx]

Well I thought it was a ballsy effort by England considering they were not favourites and they were down to 14. And were so close until the final 10 mins.

[Slick]

Just finished watching the 2nd half, well done to England, gutsy stuff but the emotional energy expended got them in the end.

Enjoyed the retro 90’s Ireland performance for a while but they were never realistically going to lose that. Absolute head scratcher why the scrum was so dominated.

We talked about Smiths defence last week but at big boy level he’s the notch under speed bump, going to be very targeted

[JM2K6]

Just finished watching the 2nd half, well done to England, gutsy stuff but the emotional energy expended got them in the end.

Enjoyed the retro 90’s Ireland performance for a while but they were never realistically going to lose that. Absolute head scratcher why the scrum was so dominated.

We talked about Smiths defence last week but at big boy level he’s the notch under speed bump, going to be very targeted

He missed one tackle out of 8.

[Slick]

Just finished watching the 2nd half, well done to England, gutsy stuff but the emotional energy expended got them in the end.

Enjoyed the retro 90’s Ireland performance for a while but they were never realistically going to lose that. Absolute head scratcher why the scrum was so dominated.

We talked about Smiths defence last week but at big boy level he’s the notch under speed bump, going to be very targeted

He missed one tackle out of 8.

He was swatted out the way regularly

[JM2K6]

Just finished watching the 2nd half, well done to England, gutsy stuff but the emotional energy expended got them in the end.

Enjoyed the retro 90’s Ireland performance for a while but they were never realistically going to lose that. Absolute head scratcher why the scrum was so dominated.

We talked about Smiths defence last week but at big boy level he’s the notch under speed bump, going to be very targeted

He missed one tackle out of 8.

He was swatted out the way regularly

The stats suggest otherwise.

[JM2K6]

Superb finish by Cleaves, remarkable to score that without a finger laid on him.

[PCPhil]

Just finished watching the 2nd half, well done to England, gutsy stuff but the emotional energy expended got them in the end.

Enjoyed the retro 90’s Ireland performance for a while but they were never realistically going to lose that. Absolute head scratcher why the scrum was so dominated.

We talked about Smiths defence last week but at big boy level he’s the notch under speed bump, going to be very targeted

He missed one tackle out of 8.

He was swatted out the way regularly

Back to Farrell then ey?

[JM2K6]

He missed one tackle out of 8.

He was swatted out the way regularly

Back to Farrell then ey?

It's nice that Slick is so concerned for Smith at international level, but given he's played against most of the major nations with one poor performance in defence, I don't think any England fans are too worried. No more than we were with Ford at 10.

[Margin__Walker]

I know Mullins is decent, but what was this lad doing on the bench?

[JM2K6]

Brilliant finish. Some of these Irish lads have a great mix of power and pace

[JM2K6]

That outside break looked familiar

[Margin__Walker]

That outside break looked familiar

He's a carbon copy style wise