Eddie Jones Not Out

[Guy Smiley]

Eddie Jones two wins away from 6 Nations title.

England will knock the Irish over. Not sure about France.

Is this the end of Eddie?

[Tilly Orifice]

Every team should be coached by Eddie Jones. For one year only.

[OomStruisbaai]

Every team should be coached by Eddie Jones. For one year only.

The Stormers missed out. England poached him before he could start.

[Chilli]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

[OomStruisbaai]

Rassie is the favorite to take over.

[Kiwias]

We would willingly let Foster go if you insisted

[sockwithaticket]

Rassie is the favorite to take over.

I can never tell whether or not you're joking, Oom.

Clueless as the blazers at the RFU can be, I don't see that at all. It would be a hugely unpopular choice.

[sockwithaticket]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.

There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.

[Ymx]

We would willingly let Foster go if you insisted

I don’t know mate. I think there should be a fee on that one.

We will give 20% proceeds of our 2022 gate, if you take him.

[Chilli]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.

There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.

So best the devil that you know?


Nick Mallett, Jake White or Johan Erasmus would all kill for the job.

[Ymx]

I’d honestly take a swap deal on this.

[Chilli]

I’d honestly take a swap deal on this.

Jones for Foster ?

[Ymx]

I’d honestly take a swap deal on this.

Jones for Foster ?

Any day of the week

[Chilli]

I’d honestly take a swap deal on this.

Jones for Foster ?

Any day of the week

You now know how we felt during the 8 years of Heyneke Meyer and Pieter De Villiers.

[sockwithaticket]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.

There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.

So best the devil that you know?


Nick Mallett, Jake White or Johan Erasmus would all kill for the job.

When Eddie seems like your best option...

[OomStruisbaai]

Rassie have the cv. He turned the Springbok from nr10 to WC champs in 18 months.

[Chilli]

If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.

There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.

So best the devil that you know?


Nick Mallett, Jake White or Johan Erasmus would all kill for the job.

When Eddie seems like your best option...

[ASMO]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.

There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.

They wont sack him, unfortunately money talks more than on field success in Rugby these days. I think England supporters just need to accept that we will likely not get out of pool stages, QF at best in the next RWC..2015 all over again.

[Guy Smiley]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.

There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.

They wont sack him, unfortunately money talks more than on field success in Rugby these days. I think England supporters just need to accept that we will likely not get out of pool stages, QF at best in the next RWC..2015 all over again.

Without checking the draw, a potential scenario sees England meet the ABs in a semi final which presents a serendipitous set of matching opportunities for fans from every nation... NZR are stuck with Foster just as England are stuck with Jones. By then, Foster will have eroded All Black rugby down into some sort of Benny Hill version of the Graeme Henry led teams and short of whisking him out the back for a quick bullet, the most appealing option for NZ fans would be a humiliating exit from the RWC after losing the Bledisloe and a one off pre tournament 'development' game against Roumania.

Enter Eddie and his peculiar and life defining knack of beating NZ at the Cup... an opportunity to score a trifecta will have one of his eyes wide open with anticipation and he'll pull off what most of the world's press, led by luminaries like The Walrus and a bloke named James from some internet backwater as an almost miraculous stroke of genius and the upset of the millenium... ensuring a contract extension for Eddie.

4 more years, boys. 4 more years.

[sockwithaticket]

If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.

There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.

They wont sack him, unfortunately money talks more than on field success in Rugby these days. I think England supporters just need to accept that we will likely not get out of pool stages, QF at best in the next RWC..2015 all over again.

Without checking the draw, a potential scenario sees England meet the ABs in a semi final which presents a serendipitous set of matching opportunities for fans from every nation... NZR are stuck with Foster just as England are stuck with Jones. By then, Foster will have eroded All Black rugby down into some sort of Benny Hill version of the Graeme Henry led teams and short of whisking him out the back for a quick bullet, the most appealing option for NZ fans would be a humiliating exit from the RWC after losing the Bledisloe and a one off pre tournament 'development' game against Roumania.

Enter Eddie and his peculiar and life defining knack of beating NZ at the Cup... an opportunity to score a trifecta will have one of his eyes wide open with anticipation and he'll pull off what most of the world's press, led by luminaries like The Walrus and a bloke named James from some internet backwater as an almost miraculous stroke of genius and the upset of the millenium... ensuring a contract extension for Eddie.

4 more years, boys. 4 more years.

You heartless monster.

[Glaston]

If Eddie were going to be sacked, it should have been last year. If anyone were to step in now they'd have maybe 16 months and about as many tests before the world cup, which can't be an enticing prospect.

There's no ready made replacement in the Prem, most of the best coaches/DoRs are fairly new to it and international coaching where you don't have week in week out access to ther players is a very different beast. Not who's currently available on the international scene either, it's usually post-world cup that people are free for new offers.

They wont sack him, unfortunately money talks more than on field success in Rugby these days. I think England supporters just need to accept that we will likely not get out of pool stages, QF at best in the next RWC..2015 all over again.

Without checking the draw, a potential scenario sees England meet the ABs in a semi final which presents a serendipitous set of matching opportunities for fans from every nation... NZR are stuck with Foster just as England are stuck with Jones. By then, Foster will have eroded All Black rugby down into some sort of Benny Hill version of the Graeme Henry led teams and short of whisking him out the back for a quick bullet, the most appealing option for NZ fans would be a humiliating exit from the RWC after losing the Bledisloe and a one off pre tournament 'development' game against Roumania.

Enter Eddie and his peculiar and life defining knack of beating NZ at the Cup... an opportunity to score a trifecta will have one of his eyes wide open with anticipation and he'll pull off what most of the world's press, led by luminaries like The Walrus and a bloke named James from some internet backwater as an almost miraculous stroke of genius and the upset of the millenium... ensuring a contract extension for Eddie.

4 more years, boys. 4 more years.

Always knew you were a barsteward.

[ScarfaceClaw]

The moment it mentioned a Foster led All Black team reaching a World Cup semi final then you should have known it was a wind up.

[Uncle fester]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

Available immediately
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams

[Guy Smiley]

The moment it mentioned a Foster led All Black team reaching a World Cup semi final then you should have known it was a wind up.

[ScarfaceClaw]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

Available immediately
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams

What is Scott Johnson up to these days?

[TheFrog]

If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th

If Jones survives this?!

[OomStruisbaai]

England will beat France. This will save Eddie.

[Chilli]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

Available immediately
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams

Eddie O'Sullivan, the not so successful ex Ireland coach?
Michael Bradley, who?
Matt Williams, not high profile enough

[sockwithaticket]

If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th

If Jones survives this?!

For the second year in a row and third time overall under Jones. Unacceptable really, but, as this thread shows with suggestions both serious and not, the RFU have left it too late to get rid of him this close to a world cup given the paucity of alternative coaches.

[Uncle fester]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

Available immediately
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams

What is Scott Johnson up to these days?

Think he might be DoR for ARU.

[Uncle fester]

If Jones is to be replaced, who would you want to coach England?

Who has the pedigree and the want to do the job?

Available immediately
Eddie O'Sullivan
Michael Bradley
Matt Williams

Eddie O'Sullivan, the not so successful ex Ireland coach? Very successful depending on who you talk to.
Michael Bradley, who? Vastly experienced pro coach.
Matt Williams, not high profile enough Former Scotland & Leinster coach. You need to learn a bit more about rugby outside your braai circle.

[TheFrog]

Eddie Jones two wins away from 6 Nations title.

England will knock the Irish over. Not sure about France.

Is this the end of Eddie?

England will beat France. This will save Eddie.

[Big Nipper]

Eddie Jones two wins away from 6 Nations title.

England will knock the Irish over. Not sure about France.

Is this the end of Eddie?

England will beat France. This will save Eddie.

Lifetime achievement award for braindead posting has long been awarded to OomPB

[Kawazaki]

If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th

If Jones survives this?!

If England lose to France without getting any bonus points then Scotland only need a losing bonus point to go ahead of England. Wales need a 5-point win against Italy to go ahead of England.

Arguably, fifth place is the most likely outcome for England after the last round.

That would be three fifth place finishes for Jones in just 7 championships (43%).

[dpedin]

If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th

If Jones survives this?!

If England lose to France without getting any bonus points then Scotland only need a losing bonus point to go ahead of England. Wales need a 5-point win against Italy to go ahead of England.

Arguably, fifth place is the most likely outcome for England after the last round.

That would be three fifth place finishes for Jones in just 7 championships (43%).

With all the resources and talents in England this is surely unacceptable for the RFU? Jones is a poor coach and needs to go, however as a Scot I am delighted that he remains in post. Please keep him England!

[sockwithaticket]

If Scotland wins against Ireland, and France beat Englsnd by more than 7pts, England could finish 5th

If Jones survives this?!

If England lose to France without getting any bonus points then Scotland only need a losing bonus point to go ahead of England. Wales need a 5-point win against Italy to go ahead of England.

Arguably, fifth place is the most likely outcome for England after the last round.

That would be three fifth place finishes for Jones in just 7 championships (43%).

With all the resources and talents in England this is surely unacceptable for the RFU? Jones is a poor coach and needs to go, however as a Scot I am delighted that he remains in post. Please keep him England!

'But he won a couple of titles and got us to a world cup final' cry his supporters.

Say what you want about Lancaster, but he never flubbed the 6N in the way Eddie has. A couple of titles were only narrowly missed on points difference and consistent second place is definitely better than a title followed by 5th in my book.

[JM2K6]

If England lose to France without getting any bonus points then Scotland only need a losing bonus point to go ahead of England. Wales need a 5-point win against Italy to go ahead of England.

Arguably, fifth place is the most likely outcome for England after the last round.

That would be three fifth place finishes for Jones in just 7 championships (43%).

With all the resources and talents in England this is surely unacceptable for the RFU? Jones is a poor coach and needs to go, however as a Scot I am delighted that he remains in post. Please keep him England!

'But he won a couple of titles and got us to a world cup final' cry his supporters.

Say what you want about Lancaster, but he never flubbed the 6N in the way Eddie has. A couple of titles were only narrowly missed on points difference and consistent second place is definitely better than a title followed by 5th in my book.

Though to be fair, England's 6N opponents back then were all (bar Wales) much worse than they are in 2022.

I think it's fair to praise Eddie for the highs but to be frank we're not a nation that should lurch from crisis to glory and without a world cup win you can't say it's worth it. There's absolutely no reason why we should be a boom and bust country; we should be competing for the title in everything.

[sockwithaticket]

With all the resources and talents in England this is surely unacceptable for the RFU? Jones is a poor coach and needs to go, however as a Scot I am delighted that he remains in post. Please keep him England!

'But he won a couple of titles and got us to a world cup final' cry his supporters.

Say what you want about Lancaster, but he never flubbed the 6N in the way Eddie has. A couple of titles were only narrowly missed on points difference and consistent second place is definitely better than a title followed by 5th in my book.

Though to be fair, England's 6N opponents back then were all (bar Wales) much worse than they are in 2022.

I think it's fair to praise Eddie for the highs but to be frank we're not a nation that should lurch from crisis to glory and without a world cup win you can't say it's worth it. There's absolutely no reason why we should be a boom and bust country; we should be competing for the title in everything.

Not sure that's true of Italy and Ireland, but France and Scotland have definitely come on.

If it should come to pass, any other coach who delivered consecutive 5th place finishes would be out on their arse.

[Paddington Bear]

It's not serious to discuss Lancaster without mentioning the 15 World Cup. Wales was bad enough but I'd argue that the Australia loss/surrender was probably the worst English capitulation in the modern era, probably only rivalled by the 30-3 drubbing in Cardiff, also under Lancaster. Jones took essentially the same side and was a try away from winning consecutive Grand Slams.

This isn't a defence of Eddie seven years later, of course. This is now two poor campaigns on the spin, and two years of a non-existent attack.

[sockwithaticket]

It's not serious to discuss Lancaster without mentioning the 15 World Cup. Wales was bad enough but I'd argue that the Australia loss/surrender was probably the worst English capitulation in the modern era, probably only rivalled by the 30-3 drubbing in Cardiff, also under Lancaster. Jones took essentially the same side and was a try away from winning consecutive Grand Slams.

This isn't a defence of Eddie seven years later, of course. This is now two poor campaigns on the spin, and two years of a non-existent attack.

See I think it's not serious to discuss him while fixating on the world cup. It's a once in four year tournament, what coaches do the rest of the time is of far greater relevance to whether they and their side are any good.

He and his side were probably too raw for the real top end challenges they faced. We'll never know if he'd have taken them there himself if given the opportunity to carry on.