Springbokke next 4 years to 2027

[OomStruisbaai]

Curwin Bosch for the rainy weather up north.

[FalseBayFC]

Are you referring to the one who replaced Ox yesterday?

I actually quit watching at half time in frustration and went off for a run. But I see from Supersport match report that yes he did replace Ox in the 59th minute. If he battled in the scrum it must be mentioned that at the same time Luan de Bruin came on. De Bruin is a very experienced tighthead with 8 years of senior rugby as opposed to Mchunu who has played one season and been a sub for 9/13 of the games he's played. He's nowhere near a Bok place but he's a very good prospect.

In my opinion people only remember that try that he scored.
Just because he can run like a 12 doesn't mean that he is a prop.

At the moment he is unreservedly underwhelming as a prop. Stop making excuses for him.

At the age of 21 or 22 Ollie Le Roux and Os Du Randt were proper props. This guy is very meh.

The Sharks scrum has been solid when he's on. Os was great but Ollie le Roux is not a good example. He wasn't a great scrummaging prop and was best known for the kind of "running like a 12" you're talking about. He was a super-sub in 43/54 tests because he wasn't fit enough to play longer than 20 minutes and wasn't a good enough scrummager to last longer than 60 minutes.

[Chilli]

I actually quit watching at half time in frustration and went off for a run. But I see from Supersport match report that yes he did replace Ox in the 59th minute. If he battled in the scrum it must be mentioned that at the same time Luan de Bruin came on. De Bruin is a very experienced tighthead with 8 years of senior rugby as opposed to Mchunu who has played one season and been a sub for 9/13 of the games he's played. He's nowhere near a Bok place but he's a very good prospect.

In my opinion people only remember that try that he scored.
Just because he can run like a 12 doesn't mean that he is a prop.

At the moment he is unreservedly underwhelming as a prop. Stop making excuses for him.

At the age of 21 or 22 Ollie Le Roux and Os Du Randt were proper props. This guy is very meh.

The Sharks scrum has been solid when he's on. Os was great but Ollie le Roux is not a good example. He wasn't a great scrummaging prop and was best known for the kind of "running like a 12" you're talking about. He was a super-sub in 43/54 tests because he wasn't fit enough to play longer than 20 minutes and wasn't a good enough scrummager to last longer than 60 minutes.

Go back and watch Ollie when playing for the Freestate. He could scrum.
Yes, he then became fat(ter) and was the first super sub or impact player. Ollie could scrum. Mchunu can't.

[assfly]

Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.

[Sards]

Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.

Deckchair Thomas...
Now the Sharks have the strongest scrum in the tournament...




Listen....Sharks were very unlucky to get so much rain on saturday...would have loved to have seen a dry field...I think it would have been much different.......thats 2 games in a row rained out.....obviously this time of the year does not suit running rugby in Durban. Lets hope they start with Boeta this weekend...he did very well up north in those conditions

[OomStruisbaai]

Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.

Deckchair Thomas...
Now the Sharks have the strongest scrum in the tournament...




Listen....Sharks were very unlucky to get so much rain on saturday...would have loved to have seen a dry field...I think it would have been much different.......thats 2 games in a row rained out.....obviously this time of the year does not suit running rugby in Durban. Lets hope they start with Boeta this weekend...he did very well up north in those conditions

You still remain the Stormers bitches.

[Sards]

Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.

Deckchair Thomas...
Now the Sharks have the strongest scrum in the tournament...




Listen....Sharks were very unlucky to get so much rain on saturday...would have loved to have seen a dry field...I think it would have been much different.......thats 2 games in a row rained out.....obviously this time of the year does not suit running rugby in Durban. Lets hope they start with Boeta this weekend...he did very well up north in those conditions

You still remain the Stormers bitches.

Your scrum is still poops......

[Chilli]

Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.

And rightly so.

[Chilli]

Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.

Deckchair Thomas...
Now the Sharks have the strongest scrum in the tournament...




Listen....Sharks were very unlucky to get so much rain on saturday...would have loved to have seen a dry field...I think it would have been much different.......thats 2 games in a row rained out.....obviously this time of the year does not suit running rugby in Durban. Lets hope they start with Boeta this weekend...he did very well up north in those conditions

Sards, get your facts straight. I never called him Deckchair Thomas.

[average joe]

The Ikey Tank?

[Chilli]

The Ikey Tank?

The French tank? Always retreating?

[average joe]

I thought more in the lines of. Assemble it yourself but it will inevitably end up in a heap on the floor.

[Chilli]

https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/spri ... s-20220329

Rassie Erasmus says South African rugby is benefiting from having so many of its top players playing for English clubs.

In a wide-ranging column for the Daily Mail, Erasmus noted that the likes of Faf de Klerk playing regularly in the Premiership has not only benefited the Springboks, but hampered English players from coming through their system.


Erasmus believes South Africa's weak rand also discourages foreign players from coming here, which allows young local players to feature prominently on the domestic front.

"People say South Africa are stupid for allowing our players to leave. Is it stupid? Look at England, there are six or seven South African players taking the places of young English players at Premiership clubs," Erasmus wrote in the column.


"For us, it's wonderful. Among about 32 players we are looking at, they're probably earning R400 million that doesn't have to come off our accounts.

"Meanwhile, back in South Africa, we have the next South African lock coming through because there is no financial incentive for players to come here.

"Is it good for England that Faf de Klerk is starting ahead of Raffi Quirke at Sale? No. Is it good for South Africa? Yes, it works for us."

READ | What former Bok mentors told Rassie Erasmus after taking on head coach role

Erasmus, the current director of rugby at SA Rugby, was responsible for a complete U-turn in the fortunes of the Springboks.

After a difficult few years under then-coach Allister Coetzee, Erasmus took over the national side in March 2018, and he famously coached the team to the 2019 Rugby World Cup title in Japan.

He gave up the head coaching responsibilities to Jacques Nienaber in 2020.

Very interesting.

[OomStruisbaai]

England is about to change the Saffer ruling. Rassie is giving some tips to RFU before they appoint him as the next coach.

[assfly]

England is about to change the Saffer ruling. Rassie is giving some tips to RFU before they appoint him as the next coach.

Rassie won't be the next England coach. They've already said Jones' successor must be English.

[Sards]

England is about to change the Saffer ruling. Rassie is giving some tips to RFU before they appoint him as the next coach.

Rassie won't be the next England coach. They've already said Jones' successor must be English.

Rassie is pulling a move to get our players returned.....basically getting them unemployed up north so they are forced to return.....

Thats how I read it....

[OomStruisbaai]

The quality of their rugby will go down without Saffers.

[assfly]

Anyone with a link to the first Bok alignment training squad?

Heard Roos was left out but Deon Fourie was in

[Chilli]

Anyone with a link to the first Bok alignment training squad?

Heard Roos was left out but Deon Fourie was in

These are the players from the Stormers / Bulls match invited.

Stormers: Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Scarra Ntubeni, Salmaan Moerat, Marvin Orie, Herschel Jantjies and Damian Willemse.

Bulls: Johan Grobbelaar, Ruan Nortje, Elrigh Louw and Johan Goosen.

[FalseBayFC]

Anyone with a link to the first Bok alignment training squad?

Heard Roos was left out but Deon Fourie was in

These are the players from the Stormers / Bulls match invited.

Stormers: Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Scarra Ntubeni, Salmaan Moerat, Marvin Orie, Herschel Jantjies and Damian Willemse.

Bulls: Johan Grobbelaar, Ruan Nortje, Elrigh Louw and Johan Goosen.

Brave call to back the Goose again. That guys knees must be well wonky. Saffer rugby twitter is having a bit of a meltdown over Evan "the new Spies" Roos's exclusion. Its weird how fixated we get with loose forwards. Its always been our strength.

So encumbents are Kolisi, PSDT, Thor. Jasper, Kwagga are backups. I don't think they'll be ditched. So a replacement for Slouw is needed. I think they'll look to blood Elrigh this year and him and Marcell Coetzee will be next off the rank with Augustus. As much as I rate the duP brothers I don't think they're favoured by our coaching set up.

[OomStruisbaai]

Obviously Nienaber wants a replacement for Flo. Elrigh fit the bill.

[boere wors]

Brave call to back the Goose again. That guys knees must be well wonky. Saffer rugby twitter is having a bit of a meltdown over Evan "the new Spies" Roos's exclusion. Its weird how fixated we get with loose forwards. Its always been our strength.

So encumbents are Kolisi, PSDT, Thor. Jasper, Kwagga are backups. I don't think they'll be ditched. So a replacement for Slouw is needed. I think they'll look to blood Elrigh this year and him and Marcell Coetzee will be next off the rank with Augustus. As much as I rate the duP brothers I don't think they're favoured by our coaching set up.

Weird is how fixated our coaches have gotten with this rabbble...

[boere wors]

And i know who our incumbent 15 will be...

[FalseBayFC]

And i know who our incumbent 15 will be...

Where is Willie playing at the moment? OK I see he's in Japan but injured.

[FalseBayFC]

So it looks like the Boks have requested that the Japanese based Boks be available for the November tests including Willie le Roux. So it seems he will still be in the picture. The Euro based boks will miss the test against England as its outside the test window. The RWC2019 squad will largely be intact besides those in bold who are injured/retired. I reckon Vermeulen and Steyn will be included if they haven't retired yet. So that leaves a hooker, a lock, wing and a loose forward spot open.

I don't think Rasnaber will look to take anyone new. So Dweba, Orie, Willemse (as a utility back) and Jasper. I'd prefer to see Tyrone Greene in for Willemse though.

A non travelling reserves XV for RWC 2023 could be:

Green, Tambwe, Simelane, Esterhuizen, Arendse, Hendrikse, Hendrikse, Roos, Louw, Tshituka, Nortje, Janse van Rensburg, Wilco Louw, Grobelaar, Matanzima


My picks for possible new caps for the November tour are Elrigh Louw, Morne van den Berg, Ruan Nortje, Roos, Grobelaar and maybe two new props. Madosh Tambwe is trying hard for his passport and may if he gets it will travel.


2019 Squad

Forwards
Schalk Brits (13 tests, Bulls), Lood de Jager (40 tests, Bulls), Pieter-Steph du Toit (49 tests, Stormers), Eben Etzebeth (78 tests, Stormers), Steven Kitshoff* (39 tests, Stormers), Vincent Koch* (15 tests, Saracens), Siya Kolisi (Captain - 42 tests, Stormers), Francois Louw (68 tests, Bath), Frans Malherbe (31 tests, Stormers), Malcolm Marx* (26 tests, Lions), Bongi Mbonambi* (29 tests, Stormers), Franco Mostert* (31 tests, Gloucester), Tendai Mtawarira (110 tests, Sharks), Trevor Nyakane (40 tests, Bulls), Kwagga Smith* (4 tests, Lions), RG Snyman* (15 tests, Bulls), Duane Vermeulen (48 tests, Bulls).

Backs
Lukhanyo Am* (8 tests, Sharks), Damian de Allende (39 tests, Stormers), Faf de Klerk* (24 tests, Sale Sharks), Warrick Gelant* (7 tests, Bulls), Elton Jantjies* (35 tests, Lions), Herschel Jantjies*(3 tests, Stormers), Cheslin Kolbe* (9 tests, Toulouse), Jesse Kriel 44 tests, Bulls), Willie le Roux (55 tests, Wasps), Makazole Mapimpi* (7 tests, Sharks), Sbu Nkosi* (8 tests, Sharks), Handre Pollard (41 tests, Bulls), Cobus Reinach* (12 tests, Northampton), Frans Steyn (60 tests, Montpellier).

[OomStruisbaai]

Really don't have sleepless night about Rassienaber. Don't worry about Wales tour in SA. The biggest challenge come with the two home tests against the old foe. We need to beat them twice and seal the TRC. They usually do this with the Wallabies.
It will also a big test with our switch to the NH competition and season. We don't have superrugby or CC during August to October. Looking forward to a great season and know we are in good hands.

[assfly]

The noises I'm hearing are that don't expect any major changes to the squad or starting XV come June.

[OomStruisbaai]

Heard the same through the grape vines.

We,ll have to wait until Rasnaber get the nod from RFU after the WC for changes.

[assfly]

I'll judge them on results. But it always makes me nervous when a Bok coach tries to stretch his previous RWC team to the next, rather than incorporate new talent in the team.

[OomStruisbaai]

The measurement will be the two home tests against the old foe. If we beat them in both tests, we'll be we'll set for the tests up north.

Springboks Test Schedule 2022

Castle Lager Incoming Series fixtures (kick-off times TBC):
Saturday, 2 July: Springboks v Wales – Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Saturday, 9 July: Springboks v Wales – Toyota Stadium, Bloemfontein
Saturday, 16 July: Springboks v Wales – DHL Stadium, Cape Town

Castle Lager Rugby Championship fixtures (kick-off times TBC):
Saturday, 6 August: Springboks v New Zealand – Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
Saturday, 13 August: Springboks v New Zealand – Emirates Airline Park, Johannesburg
Saturday, 27 August: Australia v Springboks – venue TBC
Saturday, 3 September: Australia v Springboks – venue TBC
Saturday, 17 September: Argentina v Springboks – Vélez Sarsfield, Buenos Aires
Saturday, 24 September: Springboks v Argentina – Hollywoodbets Kings Park, Durban

5 Nov – Ireland vs South Africa - Aviva Stadium, Dublin
12 Nov – France vs South Africa - Stade Vélodrome, Marseille
19 Nov – Italy vs South Africa
26 Nov – England vs South Africa - Twickenham Stadium, London

Suppose 3 losses acceptable?

[ia801310]

So it looks like the Boks have requested that the Japanese based Boks be available for the November tests including Willie le Roux. So it seems he will still be in the picture. The Euro based boks will miss the test against England as its outside the test window. The RWC2019 squad will largely be intact besides those in bold who are injured/retired. I reckon Vermeulen and Steyn will be included if they haven't retired yet. So that leaves a hooker, a lock, wing and a loose forward spot open.

I don't think Rasnaber will look to take anyone new. So Dweba, Orie, Willemse (as a utility back) and Jasper. I'd prefer to see Tyrone Greene in for Willemse though.

A non travelling reserves XV for RWC 2023 could be:

Green, Tambwe, Simelane, Esterhuizen, Arendse, Hendrikse, Hendrikse, Roos, Louw, Tshituka, Nortje, Janse van Rensburg, Wilco Louw, Grobelaar, Matanzima


My picks for possible new caps for the November tour are Elrigh Louw, Morne van den Berg, Ruan Nortje, Roos, Grobelaar and maybe two new props. Madosh Tambwe is trying hard for his passport and may if he gets it will travel.


2019 Squad

Forwards
Schalk Brits (13 tests, Bulls), Lood de Jager (40 tests, Bulls), Pieter-Steph du Toit (49 tests, Stormers), Eben Etzebeth (78 tests, Stormers), Steven Kitshoff* (39 tests, Stormers), Vincent Koch* (15 tests, Saracens), Siya Kolisi (Captain - 42 tests, Stormers), Francois Louw (68 tests, Bath), Frans Malherbe (31 tests, Stormers), Malcolm Marx* (26 tests, Lions), Bongi Mbonambi* (29 tests, Stormers), Franco Mostert* (31 tests, Gloucester), Tendai Mtawarira (110 tests, Sharks), Trevor Nyakane (40 tests, Bulls), Kwagga Smith* (4 tests, Lions), RG Snyman* (15 tests, Bulls), Duane Vermeulen (48 tests, Bulls).

Backs
Lukhanyo Am* (8 tests, Sharks), Damian de Allende (39 tests, Stormers), Faf de Klerk* (24 tests, Sale Sharks), Warrick Gelant* (7 tests, Bulls), Elton Jantjies* (35 tests, Lions), Herschel Jantjies*(3 tests, Stormers), Cheslin Kolbe* (9 tests, Toulouse), Jesse Kriel 44 tests, Bulls), Willie le Roux (55 tests, Wasps), Makazole Mapimpi* (7 tests, Sharks), Sbu Nkosi* (8 tests, Sharks), Handre Pollard (41 tests, Bulls), Cobus Reinach* (12 tests, Northampton), Frans Steyn (60 tests, Montpellier).

Sounds like there will be a big clear out after 2023. I guess Roos will get his shot then. Maybe with the new English salary cap, the new French rule and the 5 year residency rule the Boks coaches are less worried about fringe players and prospects being poached.

[FalseBayFC]

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Sounds like there will be a big clear out after 2023. I guess Roos will get his shot then. Maybe with the new English salary cap, the new French rule and the 5 year residency rule the Boks coaches are less worried about fringe players and prospects being poached.
[/quote]
I think the higher profile marquee players who are in their prime will be going to Japan and possibly the USA if MLR really takes off. The Japanese league is very attractive for our Boks. Short seasons, less physical and lots of cash. Forgotten Boks and uncapped journeymen like Courtnall Skosan and Jacques Vermeulen will still be very good value for the British and French clubs though.

[bok_viking]

I hope some of the young and promising players get some game time against Wales, even if its just off the bench. These home games would be great to blood Arendse, Louw, Roos, etc. If we can give about 5 or so young players some test experience it would be a good autumn tour. Definitely should not wait until after the WC, in case of injuries leading up to the WC.

[FalseBayFC]

I hope some of the young and promising players get some game time against Wales, even if its just off the bench. These home games would be great to blood Arendse, Louw, Roos, etc. If we can give about 5 or so young players some test experience it would be a good autumn tour. Definitely should not wait until after the WC, in case of injuries leading up to the WC.

I'm not sure they're going to do that. Loose forward is covered by Augustus, van Staden, du Preez's, Marcel. They'll opt for experience. It will and should be all about building for 2023. New blood comes after that in my opinion.

They need cover at flyhalf. So maybe Goosen if fit. Esterhuizen at centre. I'll get ripped for this but I would look at Courtnall Skosan for wing cover too. He's scored 12 tries in 18 matches for Northampton. He's 20kg bigger than Arendse who I don't think is an international prospect at 76kg. Smaller than Kolbe ffs and nowhere near as good.

Ruan Nortje and Grobelaar might be useful to blood in November. But I don't see any of the others getting a foot in the door until after RWC.

[assfly]

There won't be any few faces near the starting XV.

[Chilli]

There won't be any few faces near the starting XV.

This

[OomStruisbaai]

There won't be any few faces near the starting XV.

This

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[boere wors]

The boks are in desperate need for rejuvination. We won't go anywhere with last years rabble in 2022. Let alone 2023. We won't even make it out of our group with these oupas...

[OomStruisbaai]

The boks are in desperate need for rejuvination. We won't go anywhere with last years rabble in 2022. Let alone 2023. We won't even ma3ke it out of our group with these oupas...

We thought the same in 2019. Strong defense win test matches.

[assfly]

The boks are in desperate need for rejuvination. We won't go anywhere with last years rabble in 2022. Let alone 2023. We won't even make it out of our group with these oupas...

We are definitely in need of rejuvenation. But that ship has sailed. It's possible to blame Covid as we lost a year of test matches, but I'm not sure they would have blooded many new players anyway.

As fans we just have to hope that our usual suspects are able to maintain form for the next 18 months. But there are a few players on the wrong side of 30 that I think it's a bridge too far, and there are other players who haven't hit the same form we saw in 2019, including our captain.