So, coronavirus...

[Saint]

So, COVID claims another victim, this time Public Health England. In yet another sign of this being policy made up on the spot, Matt Hancok admits that they haven;t worked out where the non COVID responsibilities of PHE are going to end up

[SaintK]

So, COVID claims another victim, this time Public Health England. In yet another sign of this being policy made up on the spot, Matt Hancok admits that they haven;t worked out where the non COVID responsibilities of PHE are going to end up

And they put a Boris crony who still hasn't got to grips with track and trace and has zero public health background in charge. Not sure how she will fi it in with her three or four other jobs.

[Margin__Walker]

So, COVID claims another victim, this time Public Health England. In yet another sign of this being policy made up on the spot, Matt Hancok admits that they haven;t worked out where the non COVID responsibilities of PHE are going to end up

And they put a Boris crony who still hasn't got to grips with track and trace and has zero public health background in charge. Not sure how she will fi it in with her three or four other jobs.

You'd have thought she'd have raised the white flag and gone down with the ship.

[Un Pilier]

So, COVID claims another victim, this time Public Health England. In yet another sign of this being policy made up on the spot, Matt Hancok admits that they haven;t worked out where the non COVID responsibilities of PHE are going to end up

And they put a Boris crony who still hasn't got to grips with track and trace and has zero public health background in charge. Not sure how she will fi it in with her three or four other jobs.

You'd have thought she'd have raised the white flag and gone down with the ship.

Not her ship that’s going down though? It’s HMS PHE that’s to be scuttled.

[Margin__Walker]

And they put a Boris crony who still hasn't got to grips with track and trace and has zero public health background in charge. Not sure how she will fi it in with her three or four other jobs.

You'd have thought she'd have raised the white flag and gone down with the ship.

Not her ship that’s going down though? It’s HMS PHE that’s to be scuttled.

I'm just going with the facts I've got here with me.

She's no angel.

[Un Pilier]

You'd have thought she'd have raised the white flag and gone down with the ship.

Not her ship that’s going down though? It’s HMS PHE that’s to be scuttled.

I'm just going with the facts I've got here with me.

She's no angel.

I’m not for one moment suggesting she’s the right person to captain the new ship. But it’s the PHE people being hung out to dry imo.

[ScarfaceClaw]

So, COVID claims another victim, this time Public Health England. In yet another sign of this being policy made up on the spot, Matt Hancok admits that they haven;t worked out where the non COVID responsibilities of PHE are going to end up

And they put a Boris crony who still hasn't got to grips with track and trace and has zero public health background in charge. Not sure how she will fi it in with her three or four other jobs.

You'd have thought she'd have raised the white flag and gone down with the ship.

Her tea has gone cold and she’s wondering why.

[Margin__Walker]

Thank you Scarface

My work here is done.

[fishfoodie]

For a Government that's been monumentally shit at planning everything else; this is a neat piece of foresight to organize the Escape Goat, before the Public Inquiry has even been convened !

Now any answer, as to who's to blame, will have an arrow pointing a PHE.

[Ted.]

Re. the New Zealand article, we are seeing significant asymptomatic spread in Ireland (one cluster was about 95% asymptomatic) currently and very few serious cases from the 1000+ cases we've had in recent weeks. I think he's premature in being smug about others being ill informed.

That's your only take out from the article?

[CM11]

Re. the New Zealand article, we are seeing significant asymptomatic spread in Ireland (one cluster was about 95% asymptomatic) currently and very few serious cases from the 1000+ cases we've had in recent weeks. I think he's premature in being smug about others being ill informed.

That's your only take out from the article?

That wasn't a 'take'. It was a comment on part of the article. Specifically to point out just how much asymptomatic cases there are out there. We've a lot more to learn about that type of case.

[Ted.]

Re. the New Zealand article, we are seeing significant asymptomatic spread in Ireland (one cluster was about 95% asymptomatic) currently and very few serious cases from the 1000+ cases we've had in recent weeks. I think he's premature in being smug about others being ill informed.

That's your only take out from the article?

That wasn't a 'take'. It was a comment on part of the article. Specifically to point out just how much asymptomatic cases there are out there. We've a lot more to learn about that type of case.

I'm not sure he was smug about other being ill informed, the people he is commenting on are naysayers and conspiracy theorists who approach is political rather than metallically, scientifically or even economically based. As to your point on asymptomatic spread, I don't think the writer would disagree with you, but given he didn't comment on that aspect of the virus and its disease causing ability, I think your comments are superfluous.

[Hong Kong]

[CM11]

That's your only take out from the article?

That wasn't a 'take'. It was a comment on part of the article. Specifically to point out just how much asymptomatic cases there are out there. We've a lot more to learn about that type of case.

I'm not sure he was smug about other being ill informed, the people he is commenting on are naysayers and conspiracy theorists who approach is political rather than metallically, scientifically or even economically based. As to your point on asymptomatic spread, I don't think the writer would disagree with you, but given he didn't comment on that aspect of the virus and its disease causing ability, I think your comments are superfluous.

Of course he commented on it. When he said 1/100 people who catch covid will die within 28 days. We've had over 1000 cases in the last two weeks. A massive proportion are asymptomatic. We're not going to have 10 (doh!) deaths in the next few weeks. There is still plenty more to be learned about this disease.

And yes, I know stats even out but the 1/100 is massively skewed by age and vulnerability while also, IMO, not taking a large enough undectectd case load into consideration. The key question is how contagious an asymptomatic person is and whether they should even count as having had Covid from the statistical perspective (can they get it again easily or are they always going to shrug it off if they catch it). Another option might be that due to masks and other restrictions, are they asymptomatic simply because they got a weak viral load. Could that actually be weather related? Plenty more questions that need answering before we get measures right.

I do hope it doesn't take hold in NZ but I fear you've just delayed the inevitable and it needs to go through your healthy population at some stage. Fingers crossed your efforts will reap rewards and you make it to the vaccine without much more suffering.

[Enzedder]

That wasn't a 'take'. It was a comment on part of the article. Specifically to point out just how much asymptomatic cases there are out there. We've a lot more to learn about that type of case.

I'm not sure he was smug about other being ill informed, the people he is commenting on are naysayers and conspiracy theorists who approach is political rather than metallically, scientifically or even economically based. As to your point on asymptomatic spread, I don't think the writer would disagree with you, but given he didn't comment on that aspect of the virus and its disease causing ability, I think your comments are superfluous.

Of course he commented on it. When he said 1/100 people who catch covid will die within 28 days. We've had over 1000 cases in the last two weeks. A massive proportion are asymptomatic. We're not going to have over a hundred deaths in the next few weeks. But will you have ten, which is what he is saying There is still plenty more to be learned about this disease.

And yes, I know stats even out but the 1/100 is massively skewed by age and vulnerability while also, IMO, not taking a large enough undectectd case load into consideration. The key question is how contagious an asymptomatic person is and whether they should even count as having had Covid from the statistical perspective (can they get it again easily or are they always going to shrug it off if they catch it). Another option might be that due to masks and other restrictions, are they asymptomatic simply because they got a weak viral load. Could that actually be weather related? Plenty more questions that need answering before we get measures right.

I do hope it doesn't take hold in NZ but I fear you've just delayed the inevitable and it needs to go through your healthy population at some stage. Fingers crossed your efforts will reap rewards and you make it to the vaccine without much more suffering.

[CM11]

Doh!

No, we won't have 10. There's barely been a blip in our hospitalisations.

[Ted.]

No worries.

Now, how about you come up with some comprehensive stats on Marino Mika'ele-Tu'u ASR, because as you have brought to the bored's notice, I am not especially good at stats.

[CM11]

Unfortunately it's not possible to track recent deaths here from covid so it'll be inconclusive if we do register that many deaths as deaths get reported quite late here. Not sure why they haven't forced the issue but there you go.

IMO, 1000 cases here now is closer to 10,000 at the start.

[Hong Kong]

[Insane_Homer]

Things you won't see reported in the MSM.

England PHE Reported COVID-19 related Deaths (no time restriction) as of 18/8/20

Week Beginning (Mon)
13/7 - 472
20/7 - 449
27/7 - 443
03/8 - 359
10/8 - 432

[Bimbowomxn]

Things you won't see reported in the MSM.

England PHE Reported COVID-19 related Deaths (no time restriction) as of 18/8/20

Week Beginning (Mon)
13/7 - 472
20/7 - 449
27/7 - 443
03/8 - 359
10/8 - 432

The other thing you’d struggle to find is that 2 people died of covid yesterday across the whole UK’s hospitals.

14 more in the community.......

There’s more hospitals in the UK than there is hospitalised patients with the virus.


However hard posters try the pandemic has been over for weeks if not months.


Average deaths are way down on the 5 year average for the 8th week running.

[Carter's Choice]

Unfortunately it's not possible to track recent deaths here from covid so it'll be inconclusive if we do register that many deaths as deaths get reported quite late here. Not sure why they haven't forced the issue but there you go.

IMO, 1000 cases here now is closer to 10,000 at the start.

Why is not possible to track deaths? Here in Australia anyone who dies whilst infected with covid-19 counts in our death tally. Surely that's the easiest system to use?

[Insane_Homer]

2 people died of covid yesterday across the whole UK’s hospitals.

I thought you said...

...the announcements aren’t for the day they’re announced.

Why can’t you grasp this ?

[Bimbowomxn]

2 people died of covid yesterday across the whole UK’s hospitals.

I thought you said...

...the announcements aren’t for the day they’re announced.

Why can’t you grasp this ?

Pillar 1 results. Different from pillar 2.

You know this right?

Either way, stop trying to scare people with nonsense statistics. I can not grasp why you’d want that.

[Mahoney]

Excess deaths continue to be negative as of week ending 7th August:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Hospital admission, total in hospital & patients in mechanical ventilation beds are flat:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

All of which matches up with the flat lining deaths at around 10-15 a day.

The anomaly is the steady linear growth in cases. If there were a concerted attempt to deceive us they wouldn't be showing the linear climb in number of cases.

It looks to me as if the situation is pretty stable in the UK & the growth in cases is a result of increased testing.

Other hypotheses I can think of - the virus itself has become less deadly, or the people most likely to get it badly have already had it. But as less than 10% of the UK seems likely to have had it at all, and I haven't read any suggestion that the virus has mutated to become less deadly, those seem less likely hypotheses.

[Insane_Homer]

Pillar 1 results. Different from pillar 2.
You know this right?
Either way, stop trying to scare people with nonsense statistics. I can not grasp why you’d want that.

So, just to be clear, you're saying they died yesterday?

[Bimbowomxn]

Pillar 1 results. Different from pillar 2.
You know this right?
Either way, stop trying to scare people with nonsense statistics. I can not grasp why you’d want that.

So, just to be clear, you're saying they died yesterday?

Day before, in hospital.


Pillar 1 deaths.

Why do you post things designed to scare people that aren’t true ?

[Insane_Homer]

Day before, in hospital.

So, not yesterday then Why would you say yesterday when you know that not to be true?

[Sandstorm]

Excess deaths continue to be negative as of week ending 7th August:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Hospital admission, total in hospital & patients in mechanical ventilation beds are flat:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

All of which matches up with the flat lining deaths at around 10-15 a day.

The anomaly is the steady linear growth in cases. If there were a concerted attempt to deceive us they wouldn't be showing the linear climb in number of cases.

It looks to me as if the situation is pretty stable in the UK & the growth in cases is a result of increased testing.

Other hypotheses I can think of - the virus itself has become less deadly, or the people most likely to get it badly have already had it. But as less than 10% of the UK seems likely to have had it at all, and I haven't read any suggestion that the virus has mutated to become less deadly, those seem less likely hypotheses.

I see that as more and more under 30s are heading out again as normal, getting infected but are resilient enough to not need a hospital bed (or die)

The older crowd are dead or still self-isolating properly.

[Bimbowomxn]

Day before, in hospital.

So, not yesterday then Why would you say yesterday when you know that not to be true?

Being pedantic on this issue just demonstrates your desperation to scare people with fake news. Why do you want to do that.

It was clear what I meant, It’s clear it’s a very low number, just as it’s clear you post the highest number you can conjure up to try and create a false narrative.

[Bimbowomxn]

Excess deaths continue to be negative as of week ending 7th August:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Hospital admission, total in hospital & patients in mechanical ventilation beds are flat:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

All of which matches up with the flat lining deaths at around 10-15 a day.

The anomaly is the steady linear growth in cases. If there were a concerted attempt to deceive us they wouldn't be showing the linear climb in number of cases.

It looks to me as if the situation is pretty stable in the UK & the growth in cases is a result of increased testing.

Other hypotheses I can think of - the virus itself has become less deadly, or the people most likely to get it badly have already had it. But as less than 10% of the UK seems likely to have had it at all, and I haven't read any suggestion that the virus has mutated to become less deadly, those seem less likely hypotheses.

I see that as more and more under 30s are heading out again as normal, getting infected but are resilient enough to not need a hospital bed (or die)

The older crowd are dead or still self-isolating properly.

When you say “resilient enough not to die” you mean not even getting symptoms.

Self isolation isn’t required anymore (Properly or otherwise). That the virus took the most vulnerable of course is a real thing.

You seem very worried about the virus.

[Insane_Homer]

Being pedantic on this issue just demonstrates your desperation to scare people with fake news. Why do you want to do that.

It was clear what I meant, It’s clear it’s a very low number, just as it’s clear you post the highest number you can conjure up to try and create a false narrative.

Thank you , you just proved my point perfectly. I was just doing exactly what you did but a few days ago.


BTW, You are quoting PHE numbers

Public health England rather than the government.... the ONS is reliable.

But the PHE numbers for Pillar 1 say we've had 36,628 deaths to 31 July, ONS says 51,710 deaths. How do you reconcile this 41% discrepancy between the reliable ONS data against the dodgy PHE data you're using?

[Bimbowomxn]

Being pedantic on this issue just demonstrates your desperation to scare people with fake news. Why do you want to do that.

It was clear what I meant, It’s clear it’s a very low number, just as it’s clear you post the highest number you can conjure up to try and create a false narrative.

Thank you , you just proved my point perfectly. I was just doing exactly what you did but a few days ago.


BTW, You are quoting PHE numbers

Public health England rather than the government.... the ONS is reliable.

But the PHE numbers for Pillar 1 say we've had 36,628 deaths to 31 July, ONS says 51,710 deaths. How do you reconcile this 41% discrepancy between the reliable ONS data against the dodgy PHE data you're using?

And those goal posts move again. Jeez you’re a weirdo.

No, it isn’t the same thing due to scale and timeframes. You know this (maybe). Either way, I’ll keep pointing out your continuing use of fake news and statistics to scare people.

The difference between PHE and ONS is a separate issue to the one of scaring people with an inflation of death news.

Why you want to do that is only known by you, the fact you do it ..... well a fact.

[Insane_Homer]

2 people died of covid yesterday across the whole UK’s hospitals.

Best reporting

On the 16/8 the same published Pillar 1 Death count reported was 1 for day before, the 15th.

As of yesterday, the published death count for the same day, the 15th, says it's now 9.

So let's see what the real number for pillar 1 is in a few days time for 'yesterday'.

The difference between PHE and ONS is a separate issue

I'm all ears.

[Saint]

Excess deaths continue to be negative as of week ending 7th August:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Hospital admission, total in hospital & patients in mechanical ventilation beds are flat:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

All of which matches up with the flat lining deaths at around 10-15 a day.

The anomaly is the steady linear growth in cases. If there were a concerted attempt to deceive us they wouldn't be showing the linear climb in number of cases.

It looks to me as if the situation is pretty stable in the UK & the growth in cases is a result of increased testing.

Other hypotheses I can think of - the virus itself has become less deadly, or the people most likely to get it badly have already had it. But as less than 10% of the UK seems likely to have had it at all, and I haven't read any suggestion that the virus has mutated to become less deadly, those seem less likely hypotheses.

I see that as more and more under 30s are heading out again as normal, getting infected but are resilient enough to not need a hospital bed (or die)

The older crowd are dead or still self-isolating properly.

When you say “resilient enough not to die” you mean not even getting symptoms.

Self isolation isn’t required anymore (Properly or otherwise). That the virus took the most vulnerable of course is a real thing.

You seem very worried about the virus.

There's plenty more of "the most" vulnerable out there Bimbo. Indications froim the continent are that it;s re-establishing a foothold in care homes; it would still be very possible for a second wave to significantly impact the NHS

[Bimbowomxn]

There's plenty more of "the most" vulnerable out there Bimbo. Indications froim the continent are that it;s re-establishing a foothold in care homes; it would still be very possible for a second wave to significantly impact the NHS

Indeed, I said nothing about the continent. We’ve been warned about the second wave so I’m sure we will spot it.

[Bimbowomxn]

2 people died of covid yesterday across the whole UK’s hospitals.

Best reporting

On the 16/8 the same published Pillar 1 Death count reported was 1 for day before, the 15th.

As of yesterday, the published death count for the same day, the 15th, says it's now 9.

So let's see what the real number for pillar 1 is in a few days time for 'yesterday'.

The difference between PHE and ONS is a separate issue

I'm all ears.

Was it 9 ? Really.

Point is you don’t know. You aren’t reporting low numbers , you’re not reporting honest numbers, you’re not interested in an honest discussion.

I will keep pointing that out. I’ve no further interest in a discussion with you though.

[Sandstorm]

When you say “resilient enough not to die” you mean not even getting symptoms.

No, I don't mean that.

[Saint]

There's plenty more of "the most" vulnerable out there Bimbo. Indications froim the continent are that it;s re-establishing a foothold in care homes; it would still be very possible for a second wave to significantly impact the NHS

Indeed, I said nothing about the continent. We’ve been warned about the second wave so I’m sure we will spot it.

I mention the continent because they've consistently been between 2 and 4 weeks ahead of us, for better or worse - so we have the advantage of seeing where things might go wrong there and adapt policy in the UK.

By the time we've spotted the second wave locally in the UK it'll be too late as we'll 2-4 weeks behind the growth curve - so you then have to enact much stricter lockdowns to regain control. There is a lot still to be very worried about with this virus and we've already made plenty of mistakes that we don;t seem to be prepared to learn from

[Bimbowomxn]

When you say “resilient enough not to die” you mean not even getting symptoms.

No, I don't mean that.

There’s less than 600 patients with Covid in hospital.......