Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Ovals]

All the politicos are saying it was much tamer than last time and he more or less sailed through it

hmm, for me Starmer was much more impressive this time around

I like that he always contrasts the human tragedy that real people had to deal with, while Downing Street were having piss ups on a weekly basis.

It reminds people of that lie, that; "we're all in this together"

C4 made some good points; pointing out that the Tory back benches cleared out very quickly, & didn't stick around to support him once he'd answered the initial retorts to his ... apology

They also said that the Tory back benchers weren't happy that the vote on Thursday was under a three line whip !

Memories of Owen Patterson are too fresh, & they don't want to look like mugs again next week, if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way, & they've just given him their approval on the voting record.

There's only one reason the Tory MPs will vote him out, and it isn't anything to do how awful they think behaviour has been. They will only get shot of him when they are certain that he is an electoral liability - that is the only thing that concerns them - the rights and wrongs don't matter to them in the slightest. If the Tories get a real pasting at the May elections, they'll start planning to remove him - it'll just be a question of timing. Ideally they'd want an election during the replacements honeymoon period - with just enough time to disassociate a new cabinet from BoJo's rabble. So they might decide to let BoJo stay for all the crap that's coming our way post Brexit/Covid/Ukraine war so the new incumbent isn't tainted by it.

[Tichtheid]

debaser
noun. a person or thing that reduces the quality, value, rank, or significance or someone or something.

Marina Hyde has labelled Johnson, The Great Debaser, and it's unfortunate that the word reminds me of a great band. However she is spot on, the office of Prime Minister has taken a hiding, he's our very own Trump - foreign observers laugh at him in incredulity and he seems to inspire loyalty despite everything he does, not because of it.
There is still 34% of the electorate who will vote for this party led by crooks, liars and charlatans. Platitudes like, "There's no alternative", or "least worst option" are a weak cop out, anyone who votes for this party endorses what it has done, or at the very least its main policies and actions.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... aking-laws

[fishfoodie]

hmm, for me Starmer was much more impressive this time around

I like that he always contrasts the human tragedy that real people had to deal with, while Downing Street were having piss ups on a weekly basis.

It reminds people of that lie, that; "we're all in this together"

C4 made some good points; pointing out that the Tory back benches cleared out very quickly, & didn't stick around to support him once he'd answered the initial retorts to his ... apology

They also said that the Tory back benchers weren't happy that the vote on Thursday was under a three line whip !

Memories of Owen Patterson are too fresh, & they don't want to look like mugs again next week, if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way, & they've just given him their approval on the voting record.

There's only one reason the Tory MPs will vote him out, and it isn't anything to do how awful they think behaviour has been. They will only get shot of him when they are certain that he is an electoral liability - that is the only thing that concerns them - the rights and wrongs don't matter to them in the slightest. If the Tories get a real pasting at the May elections, they'll start planning to remove him - it'll just be a question of timing. Ideally they'd want an election during the replacements honeymoon period - with just enough time to disassociate a new cabinet from BoJo's rabble. So they might decide to let BoJo stay for all the crap that's coming our way post Brexit/Covid/Ukraine war so the new incumbent isn't tainted by it.

I think the polls already show he's an electoral liability, & that the only thing stopping a push, is the complete absence of a viable replacement.

I'm worried about what's going to happen with a lame duck PM, who doesn't respect any boundaries, & is solely concerned with saving his own flabby arse.

[dpedin]

I like that he always contrasts the human tragedy that real people had to deal with, while Downing Street were having piss ups on a weekly basis.

It reminds people of that lie, that; "we're all in this together"

C4 made some good points; pointing out that the Tory back benches cleared out very quickly, & didn't stick around to support him once he'd answered the initial retorts to his ... apology

They also said that the Tory back benchers weren't happy that the vote on Thursday was under a three line whip !

Memories of Owen Patterson are too fresh, & they don't want to look like mugs again next week, if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way, & they've just given him their approval on the voting record.

There's only one reason the Tory MPs will vote him out, and it isn't anything to do how awful they think behaviour has been. They will only get shot of him when they are certain that he is an electoral liability - that is the only thing that concerns them - the rights and wrongs don't matter to them in the slightest. If the Tories get a real pasting at the May elections, they'll start planning to remove him - it'll just be a question of timing. Ideally they'd want an election during the replacements honeymoon period - with just enough time to disassociate a new cabinet from BoJo's rabble. So they might decide to let BoJo stay for all the crap that's coming our way post Brexit/Covid/Ukraine war so the new incumbent isn't tainted by it.

I think the polls already show he's an electoral liability, & that the only thing stopping a push, is the complete absence of a viable replacement.

I'm worried about what's going to happen with a lame duck PM, who doesn't respect any boundaries, & is solely concerned with saving his own flabby arse.

Surely the more moderate (are there any) Tory MPs can find a stand in PM to cover a short period until they sort themselves out. They have 2 more years of this shit if they do nothing about the Blonde Bumblecunt and he will destroy them completely in that time. They must realise that their only hope in the next election is to act now, put in place a safe and credible pair of hands temporarily and take a bit of time to find a credible replacement. They then have 12-18 months to build to the next election, to blame the current shower of shits for all the damage they have caused and to try and build public confidence in their party. To do nothing is in effect writing their own death warrants as more FPNs emerge, the Rwanda dead cat becomes unimplementable, cost of living and power prices continue uncontrolled, Covid review gets underway, etc. They need to find some grown ups in their party and act now! I think Mark Harper, who is hardly moderate, realises this and, behind the scenes, will push hard for the Blonde Bumblecunt to go asap.

[Slick]

There's only one reason the Tory MPs will vote him out, and it isn't anything to do how awful they think behaviour has been. They will only get shot of him when they are certain that he is an electoral liability - that is the only thing that concerns them - the rights and wrongs don't matter to them in the slightest. If the Tories get a real pasting at the May elections, they'll start planning to remove him - it'll just be a question of timing. Ideally they'd want an election during the replacements honeymoon period - with just enough time to disassociate a new cabinet from BoJo's rabble. So they might decide to let BoJo stay for all the crap that's coming our way post Brexit/Covid/Ukraine war so the new incumbent isn't tainted by it.

I think the polls already show he's an electoral liability, & that the only thing stopping a push, is the complete absence of a viable replacement.

I'm worried about what's going to happen with a lame duck PM, who doesn't respect any boundaries, & is solely concerned with saving his own flabby arse.

Surely the more moderate (are there any) Tory MPs can find a stand in PM to cover a short period until they sort themselves out. They have 2 more years of this shit if they do nothing about the Blonde Bumblecunt and he will destroy them completely in that time. They must realise that their only hope in the next election is to act now, put in place a safe and credible pair of hands temporarily and take a bit of time to find a credible replacement. They then have 12-18 months to build to the next election, to blame the current shower of shits for all the damage they have caused and to try and build public confidence in their party. To do nothing is in effect writing their own death warrants as more FPNs emerge, the Rwanda dead cat becomes unimplementable, cost of living and power prices continue uncontrolled, Covid review gets underway, etc. They need to find some grown ups in their party and act now! I think Mark Harper, who is hardly moderate, realises this and, behind the scenes, will push hard for the Blonde Bumblecunt to go asap.

This is more hope than reality I fear. They may well take a bashing at the local elections but will probably go on to win the next GE.

[dpedin]

I think the polls already show he's an electoral liability, & that the only thing stopping a push, is the complete absence of a viable replacement.

I'm worried about what's going to happen with a lame duck PM, who doesn't respect any boundaries, & is solely concerned with saving his own flabby arse.

Surely the more moderate (are there any) Tory MPs can find a stand in PM to cover a short period until they sort themselves out. They have 2 more years of this shit if they do nothing about the Blonde Bumblecunt and he will destroy them completely in that time. They must realise that their only hope in the next election is to act now, put in place a safe and credible pair of hands temporarily and take a bit of time to find a credible replacement. They then have 12-18 months to build to the next election, to blame the current shower of shits for all the damage they have caused and to try and build public confidence in their party. To do nothing is in effect writing their own death warrants as more FPNs emerge, the Rwanda dead cat becomes unimplementable, cost of living and power prices continue uncontrolled, Covid review gets underway, etc. They need to find some grown ups in their party and act now! I think Mark Harper, who is hardly moderate, realises this and, behind the scenes, will push hard for the Blonde Bumblecunt to go asap.

This is more hope than reality I fear. They may well take a bashing at the local elections but will probably go on to win the next GE.

Having just watched the clip below I am sad to say I now agree with you!

[SaintK]

Having just watched the clip below I am sad to say I now agree with you!

Good for Gale (never thought I'd be saying that!!!)

[Rhubarb & Custard]

if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way

If is an interesting point there. So far the fines at least as far as Boris goes are for tame events. And whilst I hardly know all the events at Downing Street we've heard from people who were certainly as per their take at far more raucous gatherings (if some way short of coke abuse and dwarf tossing) and some of those have not been spoken to by the police, not yet anyway. Whether there's an intentional policy not to enquire about more sensitive gatherings, ones where the PM served drinks and still wants to claim he thought it a work event for instance I don't know, it could be corruption, it could be incompetence. Given all the previous refusals to investigate Boris as Mayor, or as PM I don't off hand see how it could be incompetence, but then again the Police have happily allowed sexual grooming of minors to carry on without bothering to look into the situation whether in Rotherham or elsewhere, so they can cite significant incompetence as a possible defence. Or maybe the police will actually complete the party investigations properly and much more serious failings by Boris will be made public, hard to know if the drip drip drip nature of this would count against him even than mind.

[Biffer]

if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way

If is an interesting point there. So far the fines at least as far as Boris goes are for tame events. And whilst I hardly know all the events at Downing Street we've heard from people who were certainly as per their take at far more raucous gatherings (if some way short of coke abuse and dwarf tossing) and some of those have not been spoken to by the police, not yet anyway. Whether there's an intentional policy not to enquire about more sensitive gatherings, ones where the PM served drinks and still wants to claim he thought it a work event for instance I don't know, it could be corruption, it could be incompetence. Given all the previous refusals to investigate Boris as Mayor, or as PM I don't off hand see how it could be incompetence, but then again the Police have happily allowed sexual grooming of minors to carry on without bothering to look into the situation whether in Rotherham or elsewhere, so they can cite significant incompetence as a possible defence. Or maybe the police will actually complete the party investigations properly and much more serious failings by Boris will be made public, hard to know if the drip drip drip nature of this would count against him even than mind.

The kicker is who gets an FPN for organising a gathering. If he gets one of those I reckon he's done, but he'll throw Carrie under the bus for some, and senior civil servants for others.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

if another two or three FPNs come the cunts way

If is an interesting point there. So far the fines at least as far as Boris goes are for tame events. And whilst I hardly know all the events at Downing Street we've heard from people who were certainly as per their take at far more raucous gatherings (if some way short of coke abuse and dwarf tossing) and some of those have not been spoken to by the police, not yet anyway. Whether there's an intentional policy not to enquire about more sensitive gatherings, ones where the PM served drinks and still wants to claim he thought it a work event for instance I don't know, it could be corruption, it could be incompetence. Given all the previous refusals to investigate Boris as Mayor, or as PM I don't off hand see how it could be incompetence, but then again the Police have happily allowed sexual grooming of minors to carry on without bothering to look into the situation whether in Rotherham or elsewhere, so they can cite significant incompetence as a possible defence. Or maybe the police will actually complete the party investigations properly and much more serious failings by Boris will be made public, hard to know if the drip drip drip nature of this would count against him even than mind.

The kicker is who gets an FPN for organising a gathering. If he gets one of those I reckon he's done, but he'll throw Carrie under the bus for some, and senior civil servants for others.

I would like to hear his take on the work gathering that saw someone drunkenly break his kid's swing

[fishfoodie]

If is an interesting point there. So far the fines at least as far as Boris goes are for tame events. And whilst I hardly know all the events at Downing Street we've heard from people who were certainly as per their take at far more raucous gatherings (if some way short of coke abuse and dwarf tossing) and some of those have not been spoken to by the police, not yet anyway. Whether there's an intentional policy not to enquire about more sensitive gatherings, ones where the PM served drinks and still wants to claim he thought it a work event for instance I don't know, it could be corruption, it could be incompetence. Given all the previous refusals to investigate Boris as Mayor, or as PM I don't off hand see how it could be incompetence, but then again the Police have happily allowed sexual grooming of minors to carry on without bothering to look into the situation whether in Rotherham or elsewhere, so they can cite significant incompetence as a possible defence. Or maybe the police will actually complete the party investigations properly and much more serious failings by Boris will be made public, hard to know if the drip drip drip nature of this would count against him even than mind.

The kicker is who gets an FPN for organising a gathering. If he gets one of those I reckon he's done, but he'll throw Carrie under the bus for some, and senior civil servants for others.

I would like to hear his take on the work gathering that saw someone drunkenly break his kid's swing

That one at least had people who worked in No 10 involved.

The one I'd question is the one they held in their flat to celebrate Scummings getting kicked out. That was organised by the Princess, & in no way, shape, or form could have been confused for a work "Event" !

[Edit] I think this is reluctant Tory MPs view too. They don't want to give him carte blanche, & then have to pretend that a FPN for hosting a piss up in their flat was okay too

[Ymx]

Ukraine are having a street named after Boris Johnson.

That should get some frothing.

[sockwithaticket]

He's an absolute shitheel if you're living under his governance, but, obviously, the Ukrainians don't. As far as they're concerned he's just the head of a state that's been helping them militarily for the last few years and was among the first to deliver tangible additional military support after the Russian invasion.

[petej]

Ukraine are having a street named after Boris Johnson.

That should get some frothing.

Essentially getting praise for others work. Probably fortunate for the Ukrainians that he was too busy messing around with other things to get in the way defence expertise and left people to it. He certainly wasn't keen on doing anything about money laundering and londongrad though obv has now.

[fishfoodie]

It's all just sunshine & flowers from here on forward ...

Rail worker strike would be 'biggest' in history, says RMT


A rail workers' union has said it intends to ballot more than 40,000 workers in a dispute over pay and jobs, which could trigger the "biggest rail strike in modern history".

The RMT union said Network Rail plans to cut up to 2,500 jobs as part of a £2bn reduction in spending.

The union claimed that the cuts would mean accidents were "more likely".

Network Rail said it was "disappointed" with the union's move and urged it to "work with us, not against us".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61163549

I'm going to go out on a limb here, & speculate that this isn't the first, & won't be the last major Union to put a gun against the Governments heads, & say that they aren't going to take the pain for the cost of living increases, while the Tories ignore the billions siphoned off in fraudulent Covid contracts. At the very least I expect UNITE, the Nursing, Teaching, & other unions who've been stiffed, to threaten another Winter of Discontent, if they don't get pay rises that come some way to match the inflation figures.

Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

The Irony is that if the Tories hadn't purged almost all their decent candidates last time out; they might have the people to turn this all around; but as it is, they're a bunch of lazy fuckups, who don't have the intelligence, or the work ethic to do so. Nadine Dorries is a fucking Cabinet Minister !!!

[Happyhooker]

Ukraine are having a street named after Boris Johnson.

That should get some frothing.

a perfect example of a culture war post.

nothing definite or specific that you can shoot down, but a smug superiority shines through.

[C69]

It's all just sunshine & flowers from here on forward ...

Rail worker strike would be 'biggest' in history, says RMT


A rail workers' union has said it intends to ballot more than 40,000 workers in a dispute over pay and jobs, which could trigger the "biggest rail strike in modern history".

The RMT union said Network Rail plans to cut up to 2,500 jobs as part of a £2bn reduction in spending.

The union claimed that the cuts would mean accidents were "more likely".

Network Rail said it was "disappointed" with the union's move and urged it to "work with us, not against us".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61163549

I'm going to go out on a limb here, & speculate that this isn't the first, & won't be the last major Union to put a gun against the Governments heads, & say that they aren't going to take the pain for the cost of living increases, while the Tories ignore the billions siphoned off in fraudulent Covid contracts. At the very least I expect UNITE, the Nursing, Teaching, & other unions who've been stiffed, to threaten another Winter of Discontent, if they don't get pay rises that come some way to match the inflation figures.

Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

The Irony is that if the Tories hadn't purged almost all their decent candidates last time out; they might have the people to turn this all around; but as it is, they're a bunch of lazy fuckups, who don't have the intelligence, or the work ethic to do so. Nadine Dorries is a fucking Cabinet Minister !!!

I suspect the public secor pay announcements will not go down to well either.
A big below inflation offer is on the table atm

[fishfoodie]

It's all just sunshine & flowers from here on forward ...

Rail worker strike would be 'biggest' in history, says RMT


A rail workers' union has said it intends to ballot more than 40,000 workers in a dispute over pay and jobs, which could trigger the "biggest rail strike in modern history".

The RMT union said Network Rail plans to cut up to 2,500 jobs as part of a £2bn reduction in spending.

The union claimed that the cuts would mean accidents were "more likely".

Network Rail said it was "disappointed" with the union's move and urged it to "work with us, not against us".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61163549

I'm going to go out on a limb here, & speculate that this isn't the first, & won't be the last major Union to put a gun against the Governments heads, & say that they aren't going to take the pain for the cost of living increases, while the Tories ignore the billions siphoned off in fraudulent Covid contracts. At the very least I expect UNITE, the Nursing, Teaching, & other unions who've been stiffed, to threaten another Winter of Discontent, if they don't get pay rises that come some way to match the inflation figures.

Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

The Irony is that if the Tories hadn't purged almost all their decent candidates last time out; they might have the people to turn this all around; but as it is, they're a bunch of lazy fuckups, who don't have the intelligence, or the work ethic to do so. Nadine Dorries is a fucking Cabinet Minister !!!

I suspect the public secor pay announcements will not go down to well either.
A big below inflation offer is on the table atm

They really have created the perfect storm with Brexit, Covid, & Ukraine.

Massively increased costs for consumers, extra costs for businesses, with NI, fuel, materials, Non-Tariff costs, a few years of zero income because of Covid, & all combined with a massive reduction in the market that the companies can sell into.

And what will their reaction be ?
..
..
..
They'll trigger Article 16, & the EU will suspend the TCA, & the UK will have the same access to the richest market in the world, as North Korea .....

[Tichtheid]

[fishfoodie]

You have to give them credit; they're accomplishing their U-Turns more rapidly with each one.

They've gone from a three line whip to defeat the inquiry, to an amendment to kick it out for months, to throwing their hands up & begging the MPs to abstain, & not vote what they're thinking.

The mood in the back benches must be sulphurous.

[Paddington Bear]

Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

This is absolutely not how it works and significant amounts of voters will back the Tories if offered just one of the two options above.

[Ymx]

Ukraine are having a street named after Boris Johnson.

That should get some frothing.

a perfect example of a culture war post.

nothing definite or specific that you can shoot down, but a smug superiority shines through.

Mate, this thread started out as being called “Tory Scum”.

It’s hardly designed as any sort of healthy UK politics thread. It’s a hate thread not a debate thread.

So pop off the high horse.

[petej]

Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

This is absolutely not how it works and significant amounts of voters will back the Tories if offered just one of the two options above.

You don't give a free run but you do put your campaign resources somewhere else when you are likely to be third in a seat.

[JM2K6]

There's plenty of debate here. It's just largely not between the sort of right wingers who only care about "owning the libs" and the rest. There's right-leaning people getting stuck in all the time. And plenty of debate among the more left people too.

Sure, there's plenty of posts that are essentially rants but the present climate practically demands it. It's an absolute shitshow.

[fishfoodie]

Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

This is absolutely not how it works and significant amounts of voters will back the Tories if offered just one of the two options above.

You don't give a free run but you do put your campaign resources somewhere else when you are likely to be third in a seat.

Yeah, you stand a candidate, but the emphasis is on the need for change, & to oust the Tories who've ruined the economy etc, etc, & you don't go thru the customary rubbishing of all the opposition candidates; & then you finish off by telling the voters to make their voice heard, even if you're not voting for me.

[Biffer]

Labour need to just keep banging away at the body of the corrupt Tory party, & work with the Lib Dems to carve up the constituencies, so that the most electable Non-Tory candidate gets a free run, & then agree a common program for Government, once the final Tallies come in.

This is absolutely not how it works and significant amounts of voters will back the Tories if offered just one of the two options above.

Also, the libs and Labour would rather see the Tories win seats in Scotland than the SNP.

[Tichtheid]

[I like neeps]

Nadine Dorries idea of turning c4 into Netflix looks better by the day.

[sockwithaticket]

Met police says it will suspend further Partygate fine announcements ahead of local elections

The Metropolitan police has said that it will not make any further announcements about people being fined for lockdown breaches at No 10 ahead of the May local elections, the BBC reports.

Fines could still be issued, the BBC reports. But there won’t be announcements about them.

This is in line with the “purdah” convention that government should not make announcements likely to advantage a political party ahead of an election. It is a convention that normally applies to spending decisions - not police inquiries.

From the Graun.

It seems like the Met been bending over backwards at every opportunity to help bury this? Given Tory slashing of police numbers over the last decade could someone explain to me why they want to prop up BoJo the Clown and his merry band of numpties?

[Biffer]

Met police says it will suspend further Partygate fine announcements ahead of local elections

The Metropolitan police has said that it will not make any further announcements about people being fined for lockdown breaches at No 10 ahead of the May local elections, the BBC reports.

Fines could still be issued, the BBC reports. But there won’t be announcements about them.

This is in line with the “purdah” convention that government should not make announcements likely to advantage a political party ahead of an election. It is a convention that normally applies to spending decisions - not police inquiries.

From the Graun.

It seems like the Met been bending over backwards at every opportunity to help bury this? Given Tory slashing of police numbers over the last decade could someone explain to me why they want to prop up BoJo the Clown and his merry band of numpties?

Working in the civil service I can understand how hyper people are about purdah.

The exception is the devolved administration elections. When I asked about purdah in the run up to those, colleagues down south were told there was no need to restrict any activities!

[sockwithaticket]

Ta.

[SaintK]

Already posted!!!

[GogLais]

Met police says it will suspend further Partygate fine announcements ahead of local elections

The Metropolitan police has said that it will not make any further announcements about people being fined for lockdown breaches at No 10 ahead of the May local elections, the BBC reports.

Fines could still be issued, the BBC reports. But there won’t be announcements about them.

This is in line with the “purdah” convention that government should not make announcements likely to advantage a political party ahead of an election. It is a convention that normally applies to spending decisions - not police inquiries.

I bet Hilary Clinton wishes they had something like that in the US.

[sefton]

Tories bottled it, they must have feared they could lose the vote.

[tabascoboy]

No doubt

MPs approve a plan to open an investigation into whether the prime minister misled the House on lockdown parties

MPs have voted, without any opposition from the government benches, to open the investigation into the PM, as Labour outlined in their motion.

There were no cries of "no" from the government benches, so there is no formal 15-minute division on the matter.

With that, the House of Commons moves on to the adjournment debate for the day.

Now that the Commons vote has passed the committee will investigate and produce a report stating whether or not they believe a contempt has been committed against the House - ie did Boris Johnson deliberately mislead Parliament.

If they find that he did mislead MPs, they can recommend a sanction within the disciplinary powers of the House.

The most significant of these are admonishment (censure), suspension for any number of days up until the end of this Parliament or expulsion from the House entirely.

There is also a possibility that they could recommend an apology on the floor of the House.

Once they have completed their report and recommended any sanction, it is voted on by the House as a whole to decide whether to accept the findings.

[Insane_Homer]

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Captain Clinky for the win.

[Tichtheid]

This is not in any way a defence of that idiotic prick Johnson, but when I was at a Sikh wedding there were bottles of whisky, vodka and gin on every table, courtesy of the hosts, plus a bar.

I may well get a Sikh son in law by the looks of things

India is the third largest market for Scotch whisky exports by volume, after France and USA.

[Hal Jordan]

Goans enjoy a drink too, being Roman Catholic, so having no prohibition on booze at all. My wife's family come from Goa (her parents were born in Kenya) and before her parents generation all got too old and diabetic to put it away, family events involved a good slug of stuff.

[C69]

This is not in any way a defence of that idiotic prick Johnson, but when I was at a Sikh wedding there were bottles of whisky, vodka and gin on every table, courtesy of the hosts, plus a bar.

I may well get a Sikh son in law by the looks of things

India is the third largest market for Scotch whisky exports by volume, after France and USA.

Lets face it there are religious people and religious people
Catholics are not supposed to have premarital sex or use bith control.
My Sikh friends love Scotch Whisky.