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From what I can see, in 2006 there was a declaration made called Akal Takht Sandesh which advised Sikhs from eating meat or drinking alcohol in UK temples. I've not clarified what existed before that, or what the real rules are outside of the Temple.
I am though left with an impression that a modern grouping in India may be trying to impose their view on how their co-religeonists act.
20-30 years ago I do not think UK sikhs were aware that they should not be drinking, so it seems to me to be a bit like the US prohibition, and fundy type prohibitionists who have invented it.
I am though left with an impression that a modern grouping in India may be trying to impose their view on how their co-religeonists act.
20-30 years ago I do not think UK sikhs were aware that they should not be drinking, so it seems to me to be a bit like the US prohibition, and fundy type prohibitionists who have invented it.
I agree that the woman sounds a complete harridan, but the clip speaks to Johnson'd complete lack of composure rather than her temperance views.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:38 pm This is not in any way a defence of that idiotic prick Johnson, but when I was at a Sikh wedding there were bottles of whisky, vodka and gin on every table, courtesy of the hosts, plus a bar.
I may well get a Sikh son in law by the looks of things
India is the third largest market for Scotch whisky exports by volume, after France and USA.
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Would add that my experience of Sikhs in both England and India is that they drink like fish - mentioning alcohol to them would be like talking about a pint to a Brit in my experience.
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Adil Ray has reported that suggestions of deportation to Rwanda seem to be popular with racist cunts being racist in public. I wonder who gave them that idea?
Adil Ray has reported that suggestions of deportation to Rwanda seem to be popular with racist cunts being racist in public. I wonder who gave them that idea?
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Mad old bat talking bollocks again
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Well the standard for getting one for the Birthday Party, was attendance not just calling it; so by that standard there'll be a lot of FPNs when ~80 people attended the BYOB Party.
Interesting to see that Jeremy Cu-Cu-Cu ... Hunt, and Penny Mordaunt, are both reportedly on maneuvers, preparing for a Leadership run.
Interesting quote from the Met that they won’t release names on the run up to elections but No 10 are free to if they choose
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I'd leave a note for JRM stating that I was just taking a shit.
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The work from home debate the government and the press are having has been conclusively lost as the private sector apart from Investment Banking have pretty uniformly decided to embrace flexible work.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:19 am
I'd leave a note for JRM stating that I was just taking a shit.
The economy built on commercial real estate investment, pret a manger and sky high commuting costs is over whatever JRM thinks. Anyone know how leveraged on commercial real estate Somerset Capital is?
I'm in the office 5 days per - but working from home is here to stay.
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There were rumbles very soon after Covid hit, of developers changing planning applications from commercial, to mix, & then to residential; because everyone was seeing that WFH was having minimal, if any, impact of efficiency, & commuting isn't exactly cheap !I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:26 amThe work from home debate the government and the press are having has been conclusively lost as the private sector apart from Investment Banking have pretty uniformly decided to embrace flexible work.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:19 am
I'd leave a note for JRM stating that I was just taking a shit.
The economy built on commercial real estate investment, pret a manger and sky high commuting costs is over whatever JRM thinks. Anyone know how leveraged on commercial real estate Somerset Capital is?
I'm in the office 5 days per - but working from home is here to stay.
Even with the preferred hybrid option having people spending 3 days in the office, that's a serious reduction in the required office footprint, & that's if everyone still has the same office space & from my experience, flex desks, mean you don't have individual filing cabinets etc, anymore, so it's more like a 50% footprint reduction.
JRM finds his ideal role as prefect with clipboard and stopwatch.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:35 amThere were rumbles very soon after Covid hit, of developers changing planning applications from commercial, to mix, & then to residential; because everyone was seeing that WFH was having minimal, if any, impact of efficiency, & commuting isn't exactly cheap !I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:26 amThe work from home debate the government and the press are having has been conclusively lost as the private sector apart from Investment Banking have pretty uniformly decided to embrace flexible work.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:19 am
I'd leave a note for JRM stating that I was just taking a shit.
The economy built on commercial real estate investment, pret a manger and sky high commuting costs is over whatever JRM thinks. Anyone know how leveraged on commercial real estate Somerset Capital is?
I'm in the office 5 days per - but working from home is here to stay.
Even with the preferred hybrid option having people spending 3 days in the office, that's a serious reduction in the required office footprint, & that's if everyone still has the same office space & from my experience, flex desks, mean you don't have individual filing cabinets etc, anymore, so it's more like a 50% footprint reduction.
He is a prat and verging on workplace bullying here. Flexible working is here to stay and both my kids are doing this. Both work for successful and profitable multinationals and both companies have clearly decided there is no loss of efficiency and indeed gains to be made from flexible working/WFH. There are also many benefits to the environment with less traffic and travel demand during peak hours and to local communities who are seeing increased demand for goods and services locally. JRM and the other dinosaurs will have to quickly realise that the world has changed and there will not be a 100% going back to the pre pandemic way of things. Oh ... whilst I'm here and not one to miss an opportunity - JRM is a Cnut!
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Careful now, that's dangerously close to 'levelling up'. What should we ever do if the government stumbled arse first into making good on some its rhetoric?dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:56 am
JRM finds his ideal role as prefect with clipboard and stopwatch.
He is a prat and verging on workplace bullying here. Flexible working is here to stay and both my kids are doing this. Both work for successful and profitable multinationals and both companies have clearly decided there is no loss of efficiency and indeed gains to be made from flexible working/WFH. There are also many benefits to the environment with less traffic and travel demand during peak hours and to local communities who are seeing increased demand for goods and services locally. JRM and the other dinosaurs will have to quickly realise that the world has changed and there will not be a 100% going back to the pre pandemic way of things. Oh ... whilst I'm here and not one to miss an opportunity - JRM is a Cnut!
He is such a pointless cunt. Even my very right wing, pro-Brexit uncle, who actually resides in Mogg's constituency, is sick of the useless prick and has written to inform him that the Tories have lost a vote for so long as he remains the local candidate.
Quite aside from the unnecessary snideness of that note, there's any number of reasons someone might not have been around when he (and I doubt it was actually him) dropped in for a visit. Some of my friends work in the civil service and one of them while 'in the office' is rarely at her desk because she's constantly being whisked off for meetings.
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Do you think part of the reason politicians don't think people are doing anything when working from home is because they in fact don't do anything? If Rees-Mogg is going around putting threatening notes on desks doesn't speak much to his in tray. Maybe he's run out of brexit opportunities?sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:06 amCareful now, that's dangerously close to 'levelling up'. What should we ever do if the government stumbled arse first into making good on some its rhetoric?dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:56 am
JRM finds his ideal role as prefect with clipboard and stopwatch.
He is a prat and verging on workplace bullying here. Flexible working is here to stay and both my kids are doing this. Both work for successful and profitable multinationals and both companies have clearly decided there is no loss of efficiency and indeed gains to be made from flexible working/WFH. There are also many benefits to the environment with less traffic and travel demand during peak hours and to local communities who are seeing increased demand for goods and services locally. JRM and the other dinosaurs will have to quickly realise that the world has changed and there will not be a 100% going back to the pre pandemic way of things. Oh ... whilst I'm here and not one to miss an opportunity - JRM is a Cnut!
He is such a pointless cunt. Even my very right wing, pro-Brexit uncle, who actually resides in Mogg's constituency, is sick of the useless prick and has written to inform him that the Tories have lost a vote for so long as he remains the local candidate.
Quite aside from the unnecessary snideness of that note, there's any number of reasons someone might not have been around when he (and I doubt it was actually him) dropped in for a visit. Some of my friends work in the civil service and one of them while 'in the office' is rarely at her desk because she's constantly being whisked off for meetings.
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Certainly the ones who seem animated about getting people back into offices also seem to be some of the biggest chancers I can envision doing basically nothing.I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:36 amDo you think part of the reason politicians don't think people are doing anything when working from home is because they in fact don't do anything? If Rees-Mogg is going around putting threatening notes on desks doesn't speak much to his in tray. Maybe he's run out of brexit opportunities?sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:06 amCareful now, that's dangerously close to 'levelling up'. What should we ever do if the government stumbled arse first into making good on some its rhetoric?dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:56 am
JRM finds his ideal role as prefect with clipboard and stopwatch.
He is a prat and verging on workplace bullying here. Flexible working is here to stay and both my kids are doing this. Both work for successful and profitable multinationals and both companies have clearly decided there is no loss of efficiency and indeed gains to be made from flexible working/WFH. There are also many benefits to the environment with less traffic and travel demand during peak hours and to local communities who are seeing increased demand for goods and services locally. JRM and the other dinosaurs will have to quickly realise that the world has changed and there will not be a 100% going back to the pre pandemic way of things. Oh ... whilst I'm here and not one to miss an opportunity - JRM is a Cnut!
He is such a pointless cunt. Even my very right wing, pro-Brexit uncle, who actually resides in Mogg's constituency, is sick of the useless prick and has written to inform him that the Tories have lost a vote for so long as he remains the local candidate.
Quite aside from the unnecessary snideness of that note, there's any number of reasons someone might not have been around when he (and I doubt it was actually him) dropped in for a visit. Some of my friends work in the civil service and one of them while 'in the office' is rarely at her desk because she's constantly being whisked off for meetings.
See also most middle managers keen to get people back. Without necks to breathe down, they don't have much to do.
The levelling up stuff is such a pile of horseshit. It needs huge amounts of money to do that in a meaningful way and this government isn’t prepared to do that. If you wonder what huge amounts actually are, then you need to look at what the Germans have done over the last thirty years. West Germany integrated a post soviet economy East Germany into their western style economy. They have invested 55 trillion euro to do that over thirty years. As a result, every region in the former east now has a better economy than most regions in the UK, from a lower starting point thirty years ago.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:06 amCareful now, that's dangerously close to 'levelling up'. What should we ever do if the government stumbled arse first into making good on some its rhetoric?dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:56 am
JRM finds his ideal role as prefect with clipboard and stopwatch.
He is a prat and verging on workplace bullying here. Flexible working is here to stay and both my kids are doing this. Both work for successful and profitable multinationals and both companies have clearly decided there is no loss of efficiency and indeed gains to be made from flexible working/WFH. There are also many benefits to the environment with less traffic and travel demand during peak hours and to local communities who are seeing increased demand for goods and services locally. JRM and the other dinosaurs will have to quickly realise that the world has changed and there will not be a 100% going back to the pre pandemic way of things. Oh ... whilst I'm here and not one to miss an opportunity - JRM is a Cnut!
He is such a pointless cunt. Even my very right wing, pro-Brexit uncle, who actually resides in Mogg's constituency, is sick of the useless prick and has written to inform him that the Tories have lost a vote for so long as he remains the local candidate.
Quite aside from the unnecessary snideness of that note, there's any number of reasons someone might not have been around when he (and I doubt it was actually him) dropped in for a visit. Some of my friends work in the civil service and one of them while 'in the office' is rarely at her desk because she's constantly being whisked off for meetings.
If you want to level up the regions you need to spend a trillion quid a year for several decades.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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why would she not review it before uploading and re do it?
pathetic excuse, rightly being called on it,
specifically since she actively voted to remove funding from kids who do actually suffer from it.
rumble again, lying cunt
pathetic excuse, rightly being called on it,
specifically since she actively voted to remove funding from kids who do actually suffer from it.
rumble again, lying cunt
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Three cabinet ministers reportedly facing allegations of sexual misconduct
Three cabinet ministers are among more than 50 MPs reportedly facing allegations of sexual misconduct after being referred to a parliamentary watchdog.
A total of 56 MPs – including two shadow cabinet ministers – have been reported to the Independent Complaints and Grievance Scheme (ICGS), according to the Sunday Times.
The ICGS, which is understood to be handling 70 separate complaints dating back to 2018, was set up in the wake of the #MeToo movement and after parliamentarians including Sir Michael Fallon and Charlie Elphicke faced a string of allegations relating to sleaze and sexual misconduct.
The 56 MPs have not been named. At least one of the complaints made to the watchdog is believed to relate to a criminal offence.
It comes just over a week after Imran Ahmad Khan, the disgraced former Conservative MP, resigned after he was convicted of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy in 2008, triggering a byelection in his Yorkshire seat of Wakefield. Khan is appealing against the conviction.
My wife retired just about as lockdown started, but her job of many years included procuring office space in central London for various organisations.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:35 amThere were rumbles very soon after Covid hit, of developers changing planning applications from commercial, to mix, & then to residential; because everyone was seeing that WFH was having minimal, if any, impact of efficiency, & commuting isn't exactly cheap !I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:26 amThe work from home debate the government and the press are having has been conclusively lost as the private sector apart from Investment Banking have pretty uniformly decided to embrace flexible work.Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:19 am
I'd leave a note for JRM stating that I was just taking a shit.
The economy built on commercial real estate investment, pret a manger and sky high commuting costs is over whatever JRM thinks. Anyone know how leveraged on commercial real estate Somerset Capital is?
I'm in the office 5 days per - but working from home is here to stay.
Even with the preferred hybrid option having people spending 3 days in the office, that's a serious reduction in the required office footprint, & that's if everyone still has the same office space & from my experience, flex desks, mean you don't have individual filing cabinets etc, anymore, so it's more like a 50% footprint reduction.
She thinks full time office work is a thing of the past and especially so in expensive markets like central London, Hybrid working is better for everyone and it's the model the private sector is working to.
I hear the Civil Service is about to introduce annual assessment centres for senior civil servants "to ensure they are up to the job".
The Tories really know how to drive any talent away from public service.
They have a long track record of this, they cut out any long term experience and in-depth knowledge from the civil service and Labour have to clear up their mess every time after years of destruction.
The Tories really are the party of economic illiteracy and inefficiency.
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A billion or so years ago the Irish Government had a push to de-centralize departments; & it ended in failure for a load or reasons; but I think the push for hybrid working provides a real opportunity to do stuff like that, & have civil servants popping in for their two days a week into small offices in Derby, or Dundee or where ever, instead of having massive centralized offices.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:56 pmMy wife retired just about as lockdown started, but her job of many years included procuring office space in central London for various organisations.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:35 amThere were rumbles very soon after Covid hit, of developers changing planning applications from commercial, to mix, & then to residential; because everyone was seeing that WFH was having minimal, if any, impact of efficiency, & commuting isn't exactly cheap !I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:26 am
The work from home debate the government and the press are having has been conclusively lost as the private sector apart from Investment Banking have pretty uniformly decided to embrace flexible work.
The economy built on commercial real estate investment, pret a manger and sky high commuting costs is over whatever JRM thinks. Anyone know how leveraged on commercial real estate Somerset Capital is?
I'm in the office 5 days per - but working from home is here to stay.
Even with the preferred hybrid option having people spending 3 days in the office, that's a serious reduction in the required office footprint, & that's if everyone still has the same office space & from my experience, flex desks, mean you don't have individual filing cabinets etc, anymore, so it's more like a 50% footprint reduction.
She thinks full time office work is a thing of the past and especially so in expensive markets like central London, Hybrid working is better for everyone and it's the model the private sector is working to.
I hear the Civil Service is about to introduce annual assessment centres for senior civil servants "to ensure they are up to the job".
The Tories really know how to drive any talent away from public service.
They have a long track record of this, they cut out any long term experience and in-depth knowledge from the civil service and Labour have to clear up their mess every time after years of destruction.
The Tories really are the party of economic illiteracy and inefficiency.
As others have said, the benefits of having them out of London, & keeping money local, is significant.
The upside would be that it'll be a lot easier to encourage good people into the CS, if they don't have to relocate & bugger up their happy existence, to tramp on into a city, five days a week, & piss away thousands on train tickets & parking.
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I wondered why the Mail is running interference with a story about Angela Rayner distracting the PM by crossing and uncrossing her legs during PMQs like that slut from Basic Instinct.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:34 pmThree cabinet ministers reportedly facing allegations of sexual misconduct
Three cabinet ministers are among more than 50 MPs reportedly facing allegations of sexual misconduct after being referred to a parliamentary watchdog.
A total of 56 MPs – including two shadow cabinet ministers – have been reported to the Independent Complaints and Grievance Scheme (ICGS), according to the Sunday Times.
The ICGS, which is understood to be handling 70 separate complaints dating back to 2018, was set up in the wake of the #MeToo movement and after parliamentarians including Sir Michael Fallon and Charlie Elphicke faced a string of allegations relating to sleaze and sexual misconduct.
The 56 MPs have not been named. At least one of the complaints made to the watchdog is believed to relate to a criminal offence.
It comes just over a week after Imran Ahmad Khan, the disgraced former Conservative MP, resigned after he was convicted of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy in 2008, triggering a byelection in his Yorkshire seat of Wakefield. Khan is appealing against the conviction.
Other than their usual rampant misogyny.
Some food for thought:
Such a lot does tend to hinge on the optics of parliamentary debate, and how the protagonists acquit themselves there, rather whether they have the ability to run a country. Much of this Tory Government seems far more at home as a sixth form classroom running various amusing japes.
Such a lot does tend to hinge on the optics of parliamentary debate, and how the protagonists acquit themselves there, rather whether they have the ability to run a country. Much of this Tory Government seems far more at home as a sixth form classroom running various amusing japes.
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What undiluted horseshit.
So why did he fuck off to India then ?
Why didn't he stop the Parliament go into recess, when all of this was happening ?
"Instability", are the Brits less stable than the French, who are having a Presidential election, with all of the same factors in play in their Country ???
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61207801Removing Boris Johnson from Downing Street would lead to "instability and uncertainty" in the country, according to the Conservative Party's chairman.
The PM has come under increasing pressure from MPs after being fined by the police for attending a party in No 10 during the first lockdown.
Some senior Tories have now joined opposition calls for Mr Johnson to go.
But Oliver Dowden said changing leader right now "would not be in the national interest".
Speaking to the BBC's Sunday Morning programme, the party chairman said the UK faced "unparalleled challenges" over national security and energy supplies, and it was right for the prime minister to focus on that.
So why did he fuck off to India then ?
Why didn't he stop the Parliament go into recess, when all of this was happening ?
"Instability", are the Brits less stable than the French, who are having a Presidential election, with all of the same factors in play in their Country ???
Very scummy but par for the course
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... act-pmAngela Rayner has said she will not be deterred by “vile lies” after a widely criticised report suggested Conservative MPs believe she crosses and uncrosses her legs during prime minister’s questions to distract Boris Johnson.
The Mail on Sunday reported that unnamed senior Tories had “mischievously” suggested Labour’s deputy leader deploys what it called “a fully clothed parliamentary equivalent of Sharon Stone’s infamous scene in the 1992 film Basic Instinct”.
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The Daily Mail and the Sun exist for a low tax conservative government. View every single article from the angle of helping their owners avoid as much tax as is possible and you'll see why they run the stories they do.Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:26 amI wondered why the Mail is running interference with a story about Angela Rayner distracting the PM by crossing and uncrossing her legs during PMQs like that slut from Basic Instinct.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:34 pmThree cabinet ministers reportedly facing allegations of sexual misconduct
Three cabinet ministers are among more than 50 MPs reportedly facing allegations of sexual misconduct after being referred to a parliamentary watchdog.
A total of 56 MPs – including two shadow cabinet ministers – have been reported to the Independent Complaints and Grievance Scheme (ICGS), according to the Sunday Times.
The ICGS, which is understood to be handling 70 separate complaints dating back to 2018, was set up in the wake of the #MeToo movement and after parliamentarians including Sir Michael Fallon and Charlie Elphicke faced a string of allegations relating to sleaze and sexual misconduct.
The 56 MPs have not been named. At least one of the complaints made to the watchdog is believed to relate to a criminal offence.
It comes just over a week after Imran Ahmad Khan, the disgraced former Conservative MP, resigned after he was convicted of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy in 2008, triggering a byelection in his Yorkshire seat of Wakefield. Khan is appealing against the conviction.
Other than their usual rampant misogyny.
They aren't newspapers they're just campaign materials.
And he and his mates have been in charge for years as this all approached.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:32 am What undiluted horseshit.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61207801Removing Boris Johnson from Downing Street would lead to "instability and uncertainty" in the country, according to the Conservative Party's chairman.
The PM has come under increasing pressure from MPs after being fined by the police for attending a party in No 10 during the first lockdown.
Some senior Tories have now joined opposition calls for Mr Johnson to go.
But Oliver Dowden said changing leader right now "would not be in the national interest".
Speaking to the BBC's Sunday Morning programme, the party chairman said the UK faced "unparalleled challenges" over national security and energy supplies, and it was right for the prime minister to focus on that.
So why did he fuck off to India then ?
Why didn't he stop the Parliament go into recess, when all of this was happening ?
"Instability", are the Brits less stable than the French, who are having a Presidential election, with all of the same factors in play in their Country ???
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The counter bots are out in force...
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If anything was going to disturb the Bumblecunt in the HoC, it would be a bunny boiler looking at him like this !
Indeed, I was going to say he’s more likely to be distracted by thinking about the blow job Mad Nad has promised to give him after PMQs.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:41 pm If anything was going to disturb the Bumblecunt in the HoC, it would be a bunny boiler looking at him like this !
Nah, I had nothing to do with Randox getting shit loads of contracts!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20 ... requestThe former health secretary Matt Hancock was given an overnight stay at a country estate owned by the head of Randox, the healthcare firm that had hired the MP Owen Paterson as a consultant.
During a two-day visit to Northern Ireland as health secretary in 2019, Hancock had a private dinner and stayed overnight at the Dundarave country estate in County Antrim, which is owned by Peter Fitzgerald, Randox’s founder.
The overnight stay was disclosed in documents released under the Freedom of Information Act. It was not included in the official register of hospitality received by ministers.
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I only remembered earlier, that this is, the new & improved No 10 Team, after the Princess purged the last of Scummings people,when the MPs were demanding blood after Sue Grays initial report.
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Anyone else wonder whether the “Distracted by Rayner’s legs” story has been put about by Boris’s Tory enemies? As a
red-blooded male I can understand he might be distracted by them but to go public about it was madness.
red-blooded male I can understand he might be distracted by them but to go public about it was madness.
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It's that or his close advisors are fucking idiots, and I find both fairly plausible.
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