Boxing thread

[Tichtheid]

He has a size and reach advantage that's it. He moves and boxes adequately for a man of his size but he's only winning because of his size.

Boxing, and that division in particular, is all about using your advantages to beat your opponent and countering/nullifying where they are strong.

I don't follow the sport like I used to, but Fury is no worse, and much better, than a lot of the fighters I've seen over the forty odd years I've been watching.

The heavyweight division suddenly moved to having really tall fighters dominate. Klitshko, Fury, Wilder, Joshua are all rugby union lock sized average boxers. Doesn't make them great heavyweights or boxers. They're really just a new weight/height class which has very few contenders.

Lennox Lewis too, though he was a very good boxer. He used his size to batter Mike Tyson.

[Tichtheid]

I'm always a bit suspicious of a winning boxer with a big ass spare tyre around his middle. How shit are the others that they can't beat this fatso?

six foot nine, eighteen stone plus, wingspan like an albatross and he knows how to use a jab - no one is getting near him and if they do they need crazy amounts of power to knock him over.

He's a shithouse to fight, he holds you off with a jab, he clinches and leans on you if you get close and he has a decent right hand - any professional boxer in that division will be able to spark out their opponent though he's no KO king. He has very good defence, in short he's very hard to beat.

[Hugo]

six foot nine, eighteen stone plus, wingspan like an albatross and he knows how to use a jab - no one is getting near him and if they do they need crazy amounts of power to knock him over.

He's a shithouse to fight, he holds you off with a jab, he clinches and leans on you if you get close and he has a decent right hand - any professional boxer in that division will be able to spark out their opponent though he's no KO king. He has very good defence, in short he's very hard to beat.

Good summary In addition to everything you said you've got to credit him for being tough as old boots - knocked down four times by Wilder but never knocked out.

I've just jinxed him, Whyte to knock him out now.....

[FalseBayFC]

six foot nine, eighteen stone plus, wingspan like an albatross and he knows how to use a jab - no one is getting near him and if they do they need crazy amounts of power to knock him over.

He's a shithouse to fight, he holds you off with a jab, he clinches and leans on you if you get close and he has a decent right hand - any professional boxer in that division will be able to spark out their opponent though he's no KO king. He has very good defence, in short he's very hard to beat.

Good summary In addition to everything you said you've got to credit him for being tough as old boots - knocked down four times by Wilder but never knocked out.

I've just jinxed him, Whyte to knock him out now.....

I wonder how peak Mike Tyson or Holyfield would have managed against him. 83 inch reach vs 71 inch. Would love to see Iron Mike ripping some body shots into Fury's midsection. Just wouldn't be able to live with Fury's size though.

[Slick]

Has anyone been watching the Ali series on TV recently? Got them all recorded and making a start tonight

[Kawazaki]

Nick Ball, the 9st Scouser looks like a mini-Marciano.

[Gumboot]

The ring walks have started, so we're only another hour or so from kick off.

[Gumboot]

Whyte goes southpaw for the whole first round.

Edit: and they start the second round having swapped stances. WTF?

[Jb1981]

All over with a Fury upper cut. He was in complete control throughout.

[Gumboot]

All over with a Fury upper cut. He was in complete control throughout.

Yep, great shot to end it.

[Tichtheid]

They were calling the fight on that one punch in the build up.

Fury was well on top throughout

[Crash669]

All over with a Fury upper cut. He was in complete control throughout.

He was, the most surprising thing to me was how poor Whyte looked, extremely tentative and with no obvious game plan. Both him and Joshua have gone backwards after knockout losses

Fair to say heavyweight is a poor division, with only Usyk and Fury worth talking about.

[Slick]

Over rated, shite, no decent competition, can’t punch, yadayada.

Every time

[Gumboot]

All over with a Fury upper cut. He was in complete control throughout.

He was, the most surprising thing to me was how poor Whyte looked, extremely tentative and with no obvious game plan. Both him and Joshua have gone backwards after knockout losses

Fair to say heavyweight is a poor division, with only Usyk and Fury worth talking about.

And if Fury does actually retire now, it'll be a lot poorer. Hope he sticks around a while longer.

[Enzedder]

Over rated, shite, no decent competition, can’t punch, yadayada.

Every time

Agreed. Better than everyone else at the moment is the best he can do.

[C69]

All over with a Fury upper cut. He was in complete control throughout.

He was, the most surprising thing to me was how poor Whyte looked, extremely tentative and with no obvious game plan. Both him and Joshua have gone backwards after knockout losses

Fair to say heavyweight is a poor division, with only Usyk and Fury worth talking about.

And if Fury does actually retire now, it'll be a lot poorer. Hope he sticks around a while longer.

Why should he? Personally speaking, he has nothing to prove.
A one off unification fight perhaps but nothing more. He has enough cash for his family for generations to come.

[Gumboot]

Coz he's fun to watch and I'm selfish.

[Slick]

Over rated, shite, no decent competition, can’t punch, yadayada.

Every time

Agreed. Better than everyone else at the moment is the best he can do.

+1

[Crash669]

All over with a Fury upper cut. He was in complete control throughout.

He was, the most surprising thing to me was how poor Whyte looked, extremely tentative and with no obvious game plan. Both him and Joshua have gone backwards after knockout losses

Fair to say heavyweight is a poor division, with only Usyk and Fury worth talking about.

And if Fury does actually retire now, it'll be a lot poorer. Hope he sticks around a while longer.

Only problem there is who would he fight? Usyk fighting in the Ukraine has essentially frozen all the other belts, Joshua has a road ahead to prove he's not a chinny bodybuilder, there are no American heavyweights worth speaking of at the minute and Whyte was the next best British guy. I don't see where the big money fight is other than Usyk.

It still bothers me that modern heavyweights don't seem to know how to attack the body. It's an obvious thing to do against a man that tall yet no one actually builds a game plan round it. Joe Frazier must be spinning.

[Crash669]

Over rated, shite, no decent competition, can’t punch, yadayada.

Every time

He's also a MASSIVE cunt.

[Tichtheid]

Over rated, shite, no decent competition, can’t punch, yadayada.

Every time

He's also a MASSIVE cunt.

There is that, right enough.

[Slick]

Over rated, shite, no decent competition, can’t punch, yadayada.

Every time

He's also a MASSIVE cunt.

Didn’t stop you boxing

[Crash669]

Over rated, shite, no decent competition, can’t punch, yadayada.

Every time

He's also a MASSIVE cunt.

Didn’t stop you boxing

If anything it helped.

[Slick]

Would it be fair to say that punch is an unusual way for a fight to end? Can’t recall something like that for a long time

[Tichtheid]

Would it be fair to say that punch is an unusual way for a fight to end? Can’t recall something like that for a long time

I haven't actually watched this vid yet

Mike Tyson had a hell of an upper cut on him.

[Big D]

Would it be fair to say that punch is an unusual way for a fight to end? Can’t recall something like that for a long time

Whyte was ko'd by Joshua with an uppercut.

[Kawazaki]

Fury will fight Joshua, no question, whether in sequence with an Ukyk fight or not. It's just worth too much money to too many people, not least Fury and Joshua. And it'll be a good fight, it probably favours Joshua better to not be a champion or belt holder going into a fight with Fury, he needs whatever he had when he fought Klitschko if he has any chance against Fury.

[Tichtheid]

Fury will fight Joshua, no question, whether in sequence with an Ukyk fight or not. It's just worth too much money to too many people, not least Fury and Joshua. And it'll be a good fight, it probably favours Joshua better to not be a champion or belt holder going into a fight with Fury, he needs whatever he had when he fought Klitschko if he has any chance against Fury.

Wladimir Klitschko was 41 years old when he fought Joshua and had 68 professional fights in his legs before going into the ring

I got fooled by the Joshua hype train, I really wanted him to be good.

[Hugo]

Would it be fair to say that punch is an unusual way for a fight to end? Can’t recall something like that for a long time

Not sure if this was part of Fury's gameplan or if it was opportunism but the last fight Whyte lost was via an uppercut which his opponent set up with multiple hooks to the body.

[Oxbow]

Would it be fair to say that punch is an unusual way for a fight to end? Can’t recall something like that for a long time

Whyte was ko'd by Joshua with an uppercut.

Povetkin also knocked out Whyte with an uppercut, and Rivas put him down with one. It's become a punch that Whyte is clearly susceptible to.

[C69]

Fury atm ranking up there with Calzhage as the UK's best ever boxer?

Puts flak jacket on

[Grandpa]

Fury atm ranking up there with Calzhage as the UK's best ever boxer?

Puts flak jacket on

Up with Lennox Lewis.. you can take the flak jacket off now...

[Kawazaki]

Fury atm ranking up there with Calzhage as the UK's best ever boxer?

Puts flak jacket on

Calzaghe wasn't really a boxer, more of a street fighter with a granite chin.

Peak Calzaghe v peak Froch would have been epic.

[Crash669]

Fury atm ranking up there with Calzhage as the UK's best ever boxer?

Puts flak jacket on

Calzaghe isn't even the best Welsh boxer ever.

[C69]

Fury atm ranking up there with Calzhage as the UK's best ever boxer?

Puts flak jacket on

Calzaghe isn't even the best Welsh boxer ever.

I'll give you Jimmy Wilde, my dad reckons Tommy Farr beacuse of his legendary Louis fight would be up there.

Tbh my favourite was Colin Jones, his hands at the Yank officials was a disgrace.

[Crash669]

Fury atm ranking up there with Calzhage as the UK's best ever boxer?

Puts flak jacket on

Calzaghe isn't even the best Welsh boxer ever.

I'll give you Jimmy Wilde, my dad reckons Tommy Farr beacuse of his legendary Louis fight would be up there.

Tbh my favourite was Colin Jones, his hands at the Yank officials was a disgrace.

Wilde is who I would have as the greatest British fighter of all time. Farr is the Welsh Henry Cooper, loved by people of a certain age but never actually good enough to be a world champion.

Piss taking aside Calzaghe should be considered one of the best British fighters ever, top 10 certainly. Fury is up there with the best British heavyweights ever, but when you get down to it there really haven't been many top British heavyweights - Lewis, Fury and then you're into might have been a like Joshua, or guys who weren't that good like Farr, Cooper, Bugner, Bruno.

Fury isn't in the same class as Lewis though, just looking at their opponents it's night and day.

[Kawazaki]

Stick Fury in a time machine to fight opponents in other eras then. That's a bullshit way to rate fighters (or any sportsman).

[FalseBayFC]

How much did the Kinahans pay for that dive?

[Crash669]

Stick Fury in a time machine to fight opponents in other eras then. That's a bullshit way to rate fighters (or any sportsman).

Ok - so England 2015 are better than England 2003 then.

[Kawazaki]

Stick Fury in a time machine to fight opponents in other eras then. That's a bullshit way to rate fighters (or any sportsman).

Ok - so England 2015 are better than England 2003 then.

They doesn't work any which way. Odd fail.