Stop voting for fucking Tories

[tc27]

My position is nuanced whereby I agree the Conservatives post May were utterly reckless towards NI in order 'to get Brexit done' and deserve to eat shit for every more about it but on the other hand the maximalist implementation of the NIP demanded by the EU commission is utterly cynical and driven by political spitefulness rather than a realistic threat to the integrity of the single market.

NI is sadly a victim caught between two reckless political establishments in this respect.

Would also add the GFA basically makes change in NI impossible - power sharing and consent mean we aren't going to see any significant changes their in my lifetime I would guess (and I am 40). Certainly not just on the basis of the Unionist vote fragmenting rather than a genuine nationalist majority.

What complete & utter fucking horseshit !

The chief cunt briefed the Unionist that he never intended abiding to the deal he signed, & the DUP made no efforts to ever implement the deal that the Tories forced thru. They still haven't given the EU the access to UKs customs database, that they agreed to years ago !

The Tories have acted with bad faith throughout the entire negotiations; & on to this day.

The majority in NI voted against leaving the EU; & did so, in part, because they knew the Tories would use them as pawns.

The reality is that surveys show that significantly more people in NI trust the EU; than trust the cunts in Westminster !

Your completely missing my point.

[fishfoodie]

My position is nuanced whereby I agree the Conservatives post May were utterly reckless towards NI in order 'to get Brexit done' and deserve to eat shit for every more about it but on the other hand the maximalist implementation of the NIP demanded by the EU commission is utterly cynical and driven by political spitefulness rather than a realistic threat to the integrity of the single market.

NI is sadly a victim caught between two reckless political establishments in this respect.

Would also add the GFA basically makes change in NI impossible - power sharing and consent mean we aren't going to see any significant changes their in my lifetime I would guess (and I am 40). Certainly not just on the basis of the Unionist vote fragmenting rather than a genuine nationalist majority.

What complete & utter fucking horseshit !

The chief cunt briefed the Unionist that he never intended abiding to the deal he signed, & the DUP made no efforts to ever implement the deal that the Tories forced thru. They still haven't given the EU the access to UKs customs database, that they agreed to years ago !

The Tories have acted with bad faith throughout the entire negotiations; & on to this day.

The majority in NI voted against leaving the EU; & did so, in part, because they knew the Tories would use them as pawns.

The reality is that surveys show that significantly more people in NI trust the EU; than trust the cunts in Westminster !

Your completely missing my point.

No I'm not. You're posting Post-Truth bollox, pretending there's any equivalence between the behavior of the UKs Government, & that of the EU.

There's no such thing as a, "maximalist implementation of the NIP". It's a fucking treaty; & the UK Parliament passed it, & then a UK Minister stood at the dispatch box & explained that the UK planed on breaking it's own National Law, & International Law, by ignoring the text of that treaty.

[_Os_]

My position is nuanced whereby I agree the Conservatives post May were utterly reckless towards NI in order 'to get Brexit done' and deserve to eat shit for every more about it but on the other hand the maximalist implementation of the NIP demanded by the EU commission is utterly cynical and driven by political spitefulness rather than a realistic threat to the integrity of the single market.

NI is sadly a victim caught between two reckless political establishments in this respect.

Would also add the GFA basically makes change in NI impossible - power sharing and consent mean we aren't going to see any significant changes their in my lifetime I would guess (and I am 40). Certainly not just on the basis of the Unionist vote fragmenting rather than a genuine nationalist majority.

Until I read Barnier's book I feel I'm at a disadvantage on some of this (dipped out of Brexit, and insider stuff has come out since). But it seemed to me May wanted a series of things that couldn't all be accommodated (the May trilemma of: 1. whole UK exit to maintain the union 2. no Irish land border 3. SM/CU exit), she then negotiated with the EU on her own almost (only taking part of her executive and some senior civil servants into her confidence) to try and get all three. What she managed to negotiate prioritised her main concerns "uncontrolled immigration" (leaving the SM) and the Union/whole of the UK leaving on the same terms (which meant the UK being in a form of CU with the EU). She didn't care about "independent trade deals" as much, so didn't prioritise that as much, and was then attacked by the Tory right for it. From memory in her final few months she was talking about CU whilst making independent trade deals (l guess aiming towards an EFTA type outcome, but that's very different to a CU type outcome). I may have misremembered some of this, but the important thing is, all the UK's negotiating effort went into this direction over most of the time since 2016. So that's where the UK gained concessions, to be in some CU but not CU arrangement. Something May took no one with her on and consequently wasn't supported.

Johnson takes over in mid-2019 and Frost then starts negotiating. The EU basically sees both as untrustworthy which makes reaching concessions harder. In the limited time he has Frost wins some concessions on fish (which seemed to be his main area of interest), seemingly not realising that not having SM access made those concessions a dead letter. Johnson/Frost approached the trilemma differently, for them it was about leaving the CU and SM to make independent trade deals. They're unconcerned about a border in the Irish Sea or the state of the Union, and got no concessions there. They seemed happy with what was offered to them off the shelf to leave the CU and SM and "get Brexit done", most of the UK media cheered them over the line.

The only way anything they signed gets undone, is implementing it all in full to build trust and then try to renegotiate from that position. Or tear it all up and go into what the French called a "wild Brexit", where essentially the UK tries to start the entire Brexit process again from an even weaker position.

On a united Ireland, it'll happen in your lifetime I think. The GFA is crucial because it provides a mechanism for it, that's cemented into the UK constitution and into international law, the GFA has also been severely tested through the Brexit process and the interpretation of "no border on the island of Ireland" was the one backed by the UK/EU/US. It's likely the "simple majority" interpretation will be backed too when the time comes, from memory that's what is in the GFA. This is all completely different to Scotland, where none of this exists. The nationalist community will edge a demographic majority soon (the unionist community is top heavy on old people), the unionist vote is fragmenting basically because they cannot win. Power sharing does create political inertia but that's separate from the border poll mechanism, but power sharing is double edged, if unionists refuse to cooperate because they're now the weaker partner it does validate the nationalist claim that NI is a protestant rotten borough (when the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly power sharing becomes impossible ...). So the unionist options now are to help legitimate Sinn Fein as NI's dominant party, or to undermine the legitimacy of NI as a state, both get a united Ireland faster.

[fishfoodie]

The Bumblecunts deputy chief of staff tells women MPs to shut up & get back in the kitchen !*

* More or less

Bumblecunt’s deputy chief of staff criticised female MPs for reporting Neil Parish for watching pornography in parliament as he called for an end to “blue-on-blue” attacks, it has been claimed.

Mr Parish, who served as MP for Tiverton and Honiton, resigned last week after female colleagues reported the MP looking at adult content while sitting near them.

During a meeting on Friday, David Canzini reportedly told staffers he was “shocked” that women chose to expose the incident in an open forum.

A source told The Sunday Times that he called for an end to “blue-on-blue” attacks as he urged his colleagues to stick together.

However, Downing Street told the paper that Mr Canzini had not explicitly singled out the female MPs behind the complaint.

Female MPs at the meeting vehemently disagreed with his reading of the situation.

According to the paper, one said: “The reality is that if there was a decent mechanism, so that MPs could raise their concerns about a colleague with the whips with the confidence it would actually be acted upon, then MPs raising their concerns in an open forum would not happen.

“We do have to end the blue-on-blue attacks, but we can only do that by having proper respect for female colleagues. This epitomises the concerns about whether female colleagues are there to be tolerated or valued.”

A Tory source said: “It felt really grubby. Several female spads special advisers looked uncomfortable.

“Dismissing the concerns of multiple female MPs as a shocking blue-on-blue attack is appalling. Canzini’s whole approach is that we must get back to Conservative values. If this is the Conservative offering, we are screwed.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/bori ... 98682.html

[I like neeps]

Sir Keir will resign if given a FPN. The only correct course of action.

[C69]

Sir Keir will resign if given a FPN. The only correct course of action.

No sure if he will get one. Considering Boris did not get one for his garden drinks.
Tbh who the feck knows.

[SaintK]

Sir Keir will resign if given a FPN. The only correct course of action.

Looks like he's going to put his cock on the block

Keir Starmer will promise to resign if Durham police conclude that he broke the lockdown rules in Durham last year when he had a curry and a beer with Labour works at the end of a day campaigning, my colleague Jessica Elgot reports.

[fishfoodie]

Suggest that he'll resign, if found guilty, & if the Bumblecunt commits to resigning if the Gray report finds him culpable, or he gets another FPN

[dpedin]

Meanwhile ....

[Tichtheid]

There are claims that Starmer has grounds for "vexatious complaint" against Durham Police, he's already been cleared of any wrong doing, Johnson was not investigated for having a beer in a pub with fellow Tories after the Hartlepool by-election, Cummings was not investigated for the "eye-test" driving and although I can't find it just now there are mentions of the Durham MP who is behind a lot of the noise surrounding the beer and curry story was himself involved in an event which could be investigated.

In any event, a beer and curry at the end of the working day doesn't really equate to 15 events, some of which included karaoke singing and booze smuggled in suitcases, plus the regular wine o'clock Fridays

[PCPhil]

I don't spend much time on this board and even less on this thread, but....are there actually any Tories on this forum?

I think there was one once but he might have been p1ssed at the time.

[Hal Jordan]

Starmer has just announced that he will resign if issued with a FPN.

[fishfoodie]

Starmer has just announced that he will resign if issued with a FPN.

Doesn't he realize there's a war in Ukraine ?

[C69]

Sir Keir will resign if given a FPN. The only correct course of action.

Looks like he's going to put his cock on the block

Keir Starmer will promise to resign if Durham police conclude that he broke the lockdown rules in Durham last year when he had a curry and a beer with Labour works at the end of a day campaigning, my colleague Jessica Elgot reports.

Thank feck there are still politicians with some notion of integrity.
If both he and Rayner get FPNs and resign then it's going to be carnage with Sunak and Boris still in Govt.

However I think there are goingto be more FPNs for Boris and the Gray report is going to be brutal.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

There are claims that Starmer has grounds for "vexatious complaint" against Durham Police, he's already been cleared of any wrong doing, Johnson was not investigated for having a beer in a pub with fellow Tories after the Hartlepool by-election, Cummings was not investigated for the "eye-test" driving and although I can't find it just now there are mentions of the Durham MP who is behind a lot of the noise surrounding the beer and curry story was himself involved in an event which could be investigated.

In any event, a beer and curry at the end of the working day doesn't really equate to 15 events, some of which included karaoke singing and booze smuggled in suitcases, plus the regular wine o'clock Fridays

The Durham police have in fairness consistently said they can't look into things like Dick Holden, the Tory MP with the amusing name pushing to investigate Starmer, because they don't retrospectively look into the shenanigans of the Tories

[tc27]

What complete & utter fucking horseshit !

The chief cunt briefed the Unionist that he never intended abiding to the deal he signed, & the DUP made no efforts to ever implement the deal that the Tories forced thru. They still haven't given the EU the access to UKs customs database, that they agreed to years ago !

The Tories have acted with bad faith throughout the entire negotiations; & on to this day.

The majority in NI voted against leaving the EU; & did so, in part, because they knew the Tories would use them as pawns.

The reality is that surveys show that significantly more people in NI trust the EU; than trust the cunts in Westminster !

Your completely missing my point.

No I'm not. You're posting Post-Truth bollox, pretending there's any equivalence between the behavior of the UKs Government, & that of the EU.

There's no such thing as a, "maximalist implementation of the NIP". It's a fucking treaty; & the UK Parliament passed it, & then a UK Minister stood at the dispatch box & explained that the UK planed on breaking it's own National Law, & International Law, by ignoring the text of that treaty.

That is simply inaccurate - the NIP describes an objective the actual mechanics behind delivering it are open to interpretation - customs and conformity checks are a vast and complex area.

The EU side itself has said it can see a way to substantially reducing the paperwork and inspections - and its also extended grace periods for certain lines of products. This in itself implies there is a great degree of flexibility certainly more than the current regime allows particulary WRT the onerous checks on finished/consumer products coming from a regime with good standards that are clearly unlikely to circulate within the RoI itself in any scale.

Honestly I am trying to make a nuanced point I I think your response to me was totally out of kilter - I get the sense you are itching for a full on fight with a red blooded Brexit supporter - that aint me..

[petej]

Your completely missing my point.

No I'm not. You're posting Post-Truth bollox, pretending there's any equivalence between the behavior of the UKs Government, & that of the EU.

There's no such thing as a, "maximalist implementation of the NIP". It's a fucking treaty; & the UK Parliament passed it, & then a UK Minister stood at the dispatch box & explained that the UK planed on breaking it's own National Law, & International Law, by ignoring the text of that treaty.

That is simply inaccurate - the NIP describes an objective the actual mechanics behind delivering it are open to interpretation - customs and conformity checks are a vast and complex area.

The EU side itself has said it can see a way to substantially reducing the paperwork and inspections - and its also extended grace periods for certain lines of products. This in itself implies there is a great degree of flexibility certainly more than the current regime allows particulary WRT the onerous checks on finished/consumer products coming from a regime with good standards that are clearly unlikely to circulate within the RoI itself in any scale.

Honestly I am trying to make a nuanced point I I think your response to me was totally out of kilter - I get the sense you are itching for a full on fight with a red blooded Brexit supporter - that aint me..

I think this comes from a lack of trust with our morons. Our morons also love mouthing off (like threatening to reduce standards) in ways which reduce trust.

Edit: while causing trouble with the EU is an election winner in the eyes of the government they will keep doing it.

[fishfoodie]

Your completely missing my point.

No I'm not. You're posting Post-Truth bollox, pretending there's any equivalence between the behavior of the UKs Government, & that of the EU.

There's no such thing as a, "maximalist implementation of the NIP". It's a fucking treaty; & the UK Parliament passed it, & then a UK Minister stood at the dispatch box & explained that the UK planed on breaking it's own National Law, & International Law, by ignoring the text of that treaty.

That is simply inaccurate - the NIP describes an objective the actual mechanics behind delivering it are open to interpretation - customs and conformity checks are a vast and complex area.

The EU side itself has said it can see a way to substantially reducing the paperwork and inspections - and its also extended grace periods for certain lines of products. This in itself implies there is a great degree of flexibility certainly more than the current regime allows particulary WRT the onerous checks on finished/consumer products coming from a regime with good standards that are clearly unlikely to circulate within the RoI itself in any scale.

Honestly I am trying to make a nuanced point I I think your response to me was totally out of kilter - I get the sense you are itching for a full on fight with a red blooded Brexit supporter - that aint me..

The NIP is the way it is, because the UK didn't have a coherent, achievable plan at any stage, & the NIP was slapped together at the last moment.

It's hardly surprising that it's implementation was going to be awkward for NI; when the negotiators on the UK side (a) didn't give a shit, & (b) always intended on reneging on anything they agreed.

The EU have accepted that there are issues; & have proposed changes; but there is zero movement on the UK/DUP side to do the minimum necessary on their side.Why should the EU relax food safety inspection standards, when the DUP are still acting like cunts around basics like giving EU officials an office to sit in ?

Why should the EU give concessions on inspections when the UK still, years later, hasn't given the EU access to customs databases ?

The DUP have blocked the building of inspection facilities for over a year now !

The EU have suggested that they thing up to 80% of the checks can be relaxed, in some way, shape or form; what have the UK done in return to compromise their position ???

It's frankly insulting to compare the behavior or the UK, & EU sides, because one side has always behaved reasonably, & the other like cunts.

[_Os_]

The NIP is the way it is, because the UK didn't have a coherent, achievable plan at any stage, & the NIP was slapped together at the last moment.

It's hardly surprising that it's implementation was going to be awkward for NI; when the negotiators on the UK side (a) didn't give a shit, & (b) always intended on reneging on anything they agreed.

That's a decent enough summary of my far too long post. The problem with a lot of this Brexit stuff, is it is complicated, summaries miss a lot out and often sound hostile when that's not the intention. If the UK had been able to pick one option, whichever it had decided was least worst, then it would've been able to negotiate the best version of that with the maximum concessions.

there is zero movement on the UK/DUP side

This is where the UK is making a mistake. There shouldn't be a "UK/DUP side", they're not the same thing. But the UK has decided to back DUP claims because it wants confrontation with the EU and wants concessions. Without the confrontation they would probably get what they say they want (but I suspect the EU thinks they're not honest, and believe they want further conflict and greater EU concessions).

In the Assembly election the NI Protocol wasn't a big issue. The DUP banged on about it, realised it wasn't getting them anywhere and had to switch to issues people cared about late in their campaign. The DUP have challenged the legality of the Protocol in the Belfast High Court, and lost. This is dangerous for the DUP, after the last election they suffered the greatest loss of votes of any party, and now only have a slim majority of the unionist vote (184k v 162k for the other two). Most protestant voters aren't voting for them (once Alliance is taken into account). For the DUP what Brexit is really about is trying to return NI to a pre-GFA situation, this is the only interpretation of all their Brexit maneuvering that makes any sense, they're attempting to use Brexit to destroy the GFA (they're the only NI party which never supported it after all) and are okay with any resulting violence. Which is stupid because a pre-GFA situation is one where the DUP loses faster. It's also stupid because it assumes all the rules stay the same, that they can keep losing and obstructing even when potentially they're not the largest or second largest party.

The UK would be better off distancing themselves from the DUP, and honestly explaining the situation. That the UK signed a deal with the hope of renegotiating it later once the UK was completely out of the door, and that DUP concerns aren't the same as the concerns of the people of NI, that instead the DUP's reason for existing is to cynically manipulate situations like this. But Johnson and friends seem happy to pretend the EU is the problem and the DUP are correct. The UK government position may as well be the DUP position.

[ia801310]

I agree with Boris Johnson's view of Starmer

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/0 ... ing-stock/


At the weekend, one of Johnson’s allies told The Sunday Times that ‘[Johnson] genuinely does not like Keir. He sees this man as part of a privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite uncomfortable with the raw instincts of the vast majority of the British people.’

[Tichtheid]

I agree with Boris Johnson's view of Starmer

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/0 ... ing-stock/


At the weekend, one of Johnson’s allies told The Sunday Times that ‘[Johnson] genuinely does not like Keir. He sees this man as part of a privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite uncomfortable with the raw instincts of the vast majority of the British people.’

That is what we in Scotland call a hat of pish.

"Ho Ho, good old Boris, he just can't help himself, but he's a good egg really."

[derriz]

My position is nuanced whereby I agree the Conservatives post May were utterly reckless towards NI in order 'to get Brexit done' and deserve to eat shit for every more about it but on the other hand the maximalist implementation of the NIP demanded by the EU commission is utterly cynical and driven by political spitefulness rather than a realistic threat to the integrity of the single market.

NI is sadly a victim caught between two reckless political establishments in this respect.

Nuanced? You sound like one of these c*nts who say the poor deluded Ukrainians are naive pawns in a battle between Russia and Nato.

Are the population of NI allowed any agency in your world view? Polling shows the majority are in favour of the protocol and support for the protocol has consistently been growing since it was agreed between the UK and the EU. A large majority have just voted for parties that officially support the protocol. The whole "protocol issue" is mostly a Tory party construct used to prolong the bickering with the EU as they make hay from this sort of "plucky blighty putting it to the bad europeans" shit plays well with a big part of their constituency.

[robmatic]

I agree with Boris Johnson's view of Starmer

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/0 ... ing-stock/


At the weekend, one of Johnson’s allies told The Sunday Times that ‘[Johnson] genuinely does not like Keir. He sees this man as part of a privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite uncomfortable with the raw instincts of the vast majority of the British people.’

Look at the state of our politics, we have an Old Etonian dismissing someone else as being part of a 'privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite'.

There's an inkling of a point there in that Labour clearly weren't in tune with the voters at the last election, but since then the Tories have basically shit the bed and apparently don't recognise this.

[GogLais]

I agree with Boris Johnson's view of Starmer

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/0 ... ing-stock/


At the weekend, one of Johnson’s allies told The Sunday Times that ‘[Johnson] genuinely does not like Keir. He sees this man as part of a privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite uncomfortable with the raw instincts of the vast majority of the British people.’

I suppose I’d have to admit to being a bit elitist - not sure if I want to be governed in accordance with the raw instincts of the vast majority.

[SaintK]

I agree with Boris Johnson's view of Starmer

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/0 ... ing-stock/


At the weekend, one of Johnson’s allies told The Sunday Times that ‘[Johnson] genuinely does not like Keir. He sees this man as part of a privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite uncomfortable with the raw instincts of the vast majority of the British people.’

Look at the state of our politics, we have an Old Etonian dismissing someone else as being part of a 'privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite'.

There's an inkling of a point there in that Labour clearly weren't in tune with the voters at the last election, but since then the Tories have basically shit the bed and apparently don't recognise this.

Quite!!! I would imagine that the "dislike/loathing" is mutual. Especially with such an entitled cunt of a human being in Downing St!!

[sockwithaticket]

I don't spend much time on this board and even less on this thread, but....are there actually any Tories on this forum?

The only truly obvious ones are Ymx and Openside.

[JM2K6]

I agree with Boris Johnson's view of Starmer

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/0 ... ing-stock/


At the weekend, one of Johnson’s allies told The Sunday Times that ‘[Johnson] genuinely does not like Keir. He sees this man as part of a privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite uncomfortable with the raw instincts of the vast majority of the British people.’

Good old Spiked, never wary of a chance to make themselves look like complete bellends.

So in your opinion, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, son of two Oxford students (one of whom was briefly a Tory politician), who read classics at Eton, was a political columnist for the Daily Telegraph, editor of the Spectator, Mayor of London, Conservative Party Minister in various roles and now Prime Minister, who thinks £250k a year is "chicken feed", is less of a "privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite" than Keir Starmer, the guy born in Southwark to a toolmaker and a nurse who - despite going to Oxford himself - actually had a successful career outside of politics as a lawyer focusing on human rights?

You're either a moron or deeply disingenuous. Why even bother with shit like this? It just makes you look bad.

[sockwithaticket]

I agree with Boris Johnson's view of Starmer

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/0 ... ing-stock/


At the weekend, one of Johnson’s allies told The Sunday Times that ‘[Johnson] genuinely does not like Keir. He sees this man as part of a privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite uncomfortable with the raw instincts of the vast majority of the British people.’

Boris doesn't like seeing someone from a similar background (in the sense of having been to Oxbridge and had a white collar career) who would prefer to try and make the country better for the people than loot it and enrich the already well off. Starmer, while far from perfect and not radical enough, is a disturbing mirror image for Tories, he shows you can enjoy privilege and not be an utter cunt intent on surrendering the country to vulture capitalism.

[JM2K6]

"Brendan, what does your giant alien forehead tell you we should write about today?"

"Let's talk about how Johnson, who regularly tries to quote Latin or reference ancient greece & rome in his speeches, is definitely more a man of the people and less privileged than Keir Starmer"

[Tichtheid]

I agree with Boris Johnson's view of Starmer

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/0 ... ing-stock/


At the weekend, one of Johnson’s allies told The Sunday Times that ‘[Johnson] genuinely does not like Keir. He sees this man as part of a privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite uncomfortable with the raw instincts of the vast majority of the British people.’

Boris doesn't like seeing someone from a similar background (in the sense of having been to Oxbridge and had a white collar career) who would prefer to try and make the country better for the people than loot it and enrich the already well off. Starmer, while far from perfect and not radical enough, is a disturbing mirror image for Tories, he shows you can enjoy privilege and not be an utter cunt intent on surrendering the country to vulture capitalism.

Starmer would never have been allowed in to the Bullingdon Club

[shaggy]

Does this thread contain the highest count of the c word? Struggling to think of one that creates such raw emotion, except maybe World Cup threads for England games.

[SaintK]

Daily Heil at it's finest! I wonder how many knighthoods or peerages this will cost the blonde slug?

[sockwithaticket]

Does this thread contain the highest count of the c word? Struggling to think of one that creates such raw emotion, except maybe World Cup threads for England games.

Until the next election we have basically no recourse while the Tories continue to run the country down. It's not surprising that emotions run a little high.

[fishfoodie]

a truely remarkable piece of doublespeak, & mendacity.

I can see why Liz pulled a sickie; she was probably afraid her tongue would turn black uttering such lies.

[salanya]

Well, that 'not tbe Queen' s Speech' was tone deaf.

All about that community 'cohesion' apparently...

[fishfoodie]

Well, that 'not tbe Queen' s Speech' was tone deaf.

All about that community 'cohesion' apparently...

Presumably the type of Cohesion where, everyone is huddled around the same brazier, waiting for the foodbank to open

[fishfoodie]

How many socially affordable homes are on Charlies estates ?

[JM2K6]

Well, that 'not tbe Queen' s Speech' was tone deaf.

All about that community 'cohesion' apparently...

[GogLais]

a truely remarkable piece of doublespeak, & mendacity.

I can see why Liz pulled a sickie; she was probably afraid her tongue would turn black uttering such lies.

Ah, thought you meant Truss for a minute. I was confused.

[fishfoodie]

a truely remarkable piece of doublespeak, & mendacity.

I can see why Liz pulled a sickie; she was probably afraid her tongue would turn black uttering such lies.

Ah, thought you meant Truss for a minute. I was confused.

Truss doesn't have the wit, or self-awareness to be ashamed of parroting this kind of drivel