What's going on in Ukraine?

[tabascoboy]

[tabascoboy]

Penza, Russia - fire breaks out at a warehouse full of sunflower seeds (!)

[lemonhead]

Penza, Russia - fire breaks out at a warehouse full of sunflower seeds (!)

And world already set to go hungry. War is such a f#cking senseless waste.

[inactionman]

Russian POW gets life sentence.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... hishimarin

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/opin ... n-war.html

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The chief economist of the Institute of International Finance is predicting Russian GDP will drop by 30% by the end of 2022. That's a complete economic collapse.

[tabascoboy]

The chief economist of the Institute of International Finance is predicting Russian GDP will drop by 30% by the end of 2022. That's a complete economic collapse.

That's a hell of a long time though, who knows what our own might be like by then.

Seen this reported, Russia’s Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned. Hope he enjoys his new career as pig farmer

[GogLais]

The chief economist of the Institute of International Finance is predicting Russian GDP will drop by 30% by the end of 2022. That's a complete economic collapse.

That's a hell of a long time though, who knows what our own might be like by then.

Seen this reported, Russia’s Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned. Hope he enjoys his new career as pig farmer

I hope he stays clear of door handles and perfume bottles.

[Slick]

The chief economist of the Institute of International Finance is predicting Russian GDP will drop by 30% by the end of 2022. That's a complete economic collapse.

That's a hell of a long time though, who knows what our own might be like by then.

Seen this reported, Russia’s Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned. Hope he enjoys his new career as pig farmer

Looks very, very fake to me

[tabascoboy]

Looks very, very fake to me

Fake linkedin account?

[Plim]

The proper media are reporting this as true. Good enough for me.

That response to Bondarev is a bit peevish - there’s more joy in heaven etc.

[Rinkals]

The chief economist of the Institute of International Finance is predicting Russian GDP will drop by 30% by the end of 2022. That's a complete economic collapse.

That's a hell of a long time though, who knows what our own might be like by then.

Seen this reported, Russia’s Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned. Hope he enjoys his new career as pig farmer

Looks very, very fake to me

Just to give it a little provenance.

[Slick]

Look lads, I’ve got everything wrong on this thread, literally from page 1 to here, so don’t go acting all Billy Bigbaws about so called “providence” of that letter

[Biffer]

Look lads, I’ve got everything wrong on this thread, literally from page 1 to here, so don’t go acting all Billy Bigbaws about so called “providence” of that letter

Just this thread?

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[Niegs]

How resistant would a T-64 be to a standard rpg?

[fishfoodie]

How resistant would a T-64 be to a standard rpg?

I'm wondering:

1. What ammo are they going to use, because I can't imagine them having a load of ammo lying around for a gun they haven't used in decades ?

2. Who is going to crew these museum pieces ?, because they'll need a long time to train up, & practice their gunner on a tank that uses manual sights from the 1950's !!!

3. When they get proficient with their gunnery, they still won't be able kill any of the tanks they'll be facing, because they'll still be under-gunned, & their own armor was considered too thin in the 1970s, so the only function they fill will be to use up Anti-Tank weapons.

[_Os_]

Are we actually going to see Donetsk "separatists" (really just Russia) fielding T55s, with guys riding them wearing WW2 helmets and armed with Mosin Nagants, like they're storming Berlin or something?

Seems entirely likely. The only new element would be the T55, and "separatists" fielded an IS3 and T34 (up armoured mad max style) in 2014.

Battalions of T55s crewed by people with no clue what they're doing, would be totally normal for the Russian side in Ukraine. Totally in keeping with deploying a WW2 armoured train.

[_Os_]

Newly formed Russian BTG sighted on the front line in eastern Ukraine:

[inactionman]

I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

I worked with MoD for a fair while on logistics, and it was always an article of faith that - if all else has to be cannibalised, bodged or delayed - the medevac and medical equipment was always first priority. (Well, strictly, strategic deterrent was first priority but that doesn't need too many helicopter stretchers and that was always invisible to us anyway)

One of the business drivers for a £100M+ inventory transformation project was a soldier on an armoured vehicle was killed by an IED as the systems weren't configured to issue the correct size body protective equipment in the context of the vehicle. This was universally agreed to be unacceptable.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

[petej]

Are we actually going to see Donetsk "separatists" (really just Russia) fielding T55s, with guys riding them wearing WW2 helmets and armed with Mosin Nagants, like they're storming Berlin or something?

Seems entirely likely. The only new element would be the T55, and "separatists" fielded an IS3 and T34 (up armoured mad max style) in 2014.

Battalions of T55s crewed by people with no clue what they're doing, would be totally normal for the Russian side in Ukraine. Totally in keeping with deploying a WW2 armoured train.

I'm impressed Russia are sustaining offensives with the losses. I guess Ukraine are being careful with their resources while waiting for their opponent to exhaust their resources.

[tabascoboy]

Think that UA forces are struggling a bit at the moment to hold the very long front line, still having some successes but under strong pressure in places




And Severodonetsk looking like a lost cause

[fishfoodie]

I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

I worked with MoD for a fair while on logistics, and it was always an article of faith that - if all else has to be cannibalised, bodged or delayed - the medevac and medical equipment was always first priority. (Well, strictly, strategic deterrent was first priority but that doesn't need too many helicopter stretchers and that was always invisible to us anyway)

One of the business drivers for a £100M+ inventory transformation project was a soldier on an armoured vehicle was killed by an IED as the systems weren't configured to issue the correct size body protective equipment in the context of the vehicle. This was universally agreed to be unacceptable.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

If it's any consolation, I don't think there's a chance in hell they'll field any serious numbers of T-62s.

This has all the signs of just being something they've told Putin they will do, fully in the knowledge that it's impossible, but at least it looks like they're doing something.

[TheFrog]

I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

I worked with MoD for a fair while on logistics, and it was always an article of faith that - if all else has to be cannibalised, bodged or delayed - the medevac and medical equipment was always first priority. (Well, strictly, strategic deterrent was first priority but that doesn't need too many helicopter stretchers and that was always invisible to us anyway)

One of the business drivers for a £100M+ inventory transformation project was a soldier on an armoured vehicle was killed by an IED as the systems weren't configured to issue the correct size body protective equipment in the context of the vehicle. This was universally agreed to be unacceptable.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

They are sending the rabble and the poorer of the ethnic minorities to war. Putin doesn't care about their lives.

Russia's advantage over Ukraine in this war is naval power and human resources. And I get the feeling that they'll keep throwing bodies at this war even if equipped with peaks and forks.

Meanwhile, each death on the Ukrainian side is a blow, never mind all the sophisticated equipment the country may be receiving.

[tabascoboy]

Pro-Russian former president of Moldova suspected of treason

[tabascoboy]

[Marylandolorian]

I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

They are sending the rabble and the poorer of the ethnic minorities to war. Putin doesn't care about their lives.*

Russia's advantage over Ukraine in this war is naval power and human resources. And I get the feeling that they'll keep throwing bodies at this war even if equipped with peaks and forks.

Meanwhile, each death on the Ukrainian side is a blow, never mind all the sophisticated equipment the country may be receiving.

This*
I read several articles saying that about 2 thirds of the dead and injured soldiers were from the poorest parts of russia or areas with unrests, they concluded that it looks like an hidden ethnic cleansing.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

They are sending the rabble and the poorer of the ethnic minorities to war. Putin doesn't care about their lives.*

Russia's advantage over Ukraine in this war is naval power and human resources. And I get the feeling that they'll keep throwing bodies at this war even if equipped with peaks and forks.

Meanwhile, each death on the Ukrainian side is a blow, never mind all the sophisticated equipment the country may be receiving.

This*
I read several articles saying that about 2 thirds of the dead and injured soldiers were from the poorest parts of russia or areas with unrests, they concluded that it looks like an hidden ethnic cleansing.

To be fair, that's been military recruitment all through history. It's easier to recruit from areas where there are few other opportunities.

[Niegs]

I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

I worked with MoD for a fair while on logistics, and it was always an article of faith that - if all else has to be cannibalised, bodged or delayed - the medevac and medical equipment was always first priority. (Well, strictly, strategic deterrent was first priority but that doesn't need too many helicopter stretchers and that was always invisible to us anyway)

One of the business drivers for a £100M+ inventory transformation project was a soldier on an armoured vehicle was killed by an IED as the systems weren't configured to issue the correct size body protective equipment in the context of the vehicle. This was universally agreed to be unacceptable.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

They are sending the rabble and the poorer of the ethnic minorities to war. Putin doesn't care about their lives.

Russia's advantage over Ukraine in this war is naval power and human resources. And I get the feeling that they'll keep throwing bodies at this war even if equipped with peaks and forks.

Meanwhile, each death on the Ukrainian side is a blow, never mind all the sophisticated equipment the country may be receiving.

And while one section of the population, not directly impacted by the deaths of soldiers, also thinks that's okay, are there no rumblings of revolution among these ethnic groups treated with such disregard?

[tabascoboy]

[fishfoodie]

Open the shipping blockade of Odessa ... or else !

[Slick]

Look lads, I’ve got everything wrong on this thread, literally from page 1 to here, so don’t go acting all Billy Bigbaws about so called “providence” of that letter

Just this thread?

Certainly not rugby threads where, as you are aware, I am NEVER wrong.

[Uncle fester]

I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

I worked with MoD for a fair while on logistics, and it was always an article of faith that - if all else has to be cannibalised, bodged or delayed - the medevac and medical equipment was always first priority. (Well, strictly, strategic deterrent was first priority but that doesn't need too many helicopter stretchers and that was always invisible to us anyway)

One of the business drivers for a £100M+ inventory transformation project was a soldier on an armoured vehicle was killed by an IED as the systems weren't configured to issue the correct size body protective equipment in the context of the vehicle. This was universally agreed to be unacceptable.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

They are sending the rabble and the poorer of the ethnic minorities to war. Putin doesn't care about their lives.

Russia's advantage over Ukraine in this war is naval power and human resources. And I get the feeling that they'll keep throwing bodies at this war even if equipped with peaks and forks.

Meanwhile, each death on the Ukrainian side is a blow, never mind all the sophisticated equipment the country may be receiving.

Sounds a bit:

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[Openside]

Russian paratrooper alleged to have been present in Bucha during the massacre identified from a photo published in an article in the NYT concerning the murder of 9 civilians. A native of Magadan in the far east of Siberia served with one of the two Air Assault Regiments charged with "cleaning up" the town. Even if he is not responsible personally, it gives hope that it's not impossible to find those who were - though getting any of them out of Russia to face war crimes charges might be.

Or just do what Israel did after Munich, & say fuck the rules of civilized Nations; because we aren't dealing with a civilized Nation, & send out assassination squads, & kill the murdering/raping bastards, & worry about the legal implication,when & if anyone gives a damn !

Define a civilized nation....

One that doesn’t hold a knife like a pen

[Niegs]

The size of the peak on their caps!

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