Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

[Hal Jordan]

Wait for the lies from the Press Office now to, explain, how it wasn't him they were booing, or how it was only a couple of radicals, & the microphone was right beside them, or that the rest of the crowd was booing the boo'ers, for politicizing the event.

They were saying "Boo-ris."

[JM2K6]

The Tory press have already been on Twitter talking about how Starmer being met with silence wasn't a vote of confidence etc

[tabascoboy]

Wait for the lies from the Press Office now to, explain, how it wasn't him they were booing, or how it was only a couple of radicals, & the microphone was right beside them, or that the rest of the crowd was booing the boo'ers, for politicizing the event.

Well the Twitterati are claiming both BBC and Sky were standing near a group of Socialists waving banners with their mikes turned that way and BoJo was actually cheered ...

[fishfoodie]

"There's never a bloody fridge around when you need one !"

[Insane_Homer]

Dorries the delusion at it again and getting totally P@wned.

31,000+ votes, 98% say boos

[Insane_Homer]

[fishfoodie]

Jesus, Putin would get a friendlier reception

Lucky there wasn't a fruit & veg market near by

[fishfoodie]

Dorries the delusion at it again and getting totally P@wned.

31,000+ votes, 98% say boos

Mad Nadine has her own version of the clapometer,, & unfortunately for the Bumblecunt, it says he's got another dose, & he needs to break the news to the Princess

[PCPhil]

Like in the Simpsons, they weren’t booing. They were going, “boo’oris”.

[Line6 HXFX]

The lies about Brexit are now so tenuous, every tory is terrified that as soon as Boris goes the next PM will completely ditch it, or least let the public know some of the truth. That is why he will cling on for as long as possible. He is basically Brexit.

[Gumboot]

The lies about Brexit are now so tenuous, every tory is terrified that as soon as Boris goes the next PM will completely ditch it, or least let the public know some of the truth. That is why he will cling on for as long as possible. He is basically Brexit.

Is ditching Brexit even possible any more? Even if Johnson's successor came back begging on his knees, why wouldn't the EU just tell him to fuck off?

[fishfoodie]

The lies about Brexit are now so tenuous, every tory is terrified that as soon as Boris goes the next PM will completely ditch it, or least let the public know some of the truth. That is why he will cling on for as long as possible. He is basically Brexit.

Is ditching Brexit even possible any more? Even if Johnson's successor came back begging on his knees, why wouldn't the EU just tell him to fuck off?

Let's put it this way; if the Brits thought leaving took a long time, they're in for a nasty surprise, if ever want to re-join, & they'll never get all the exemptions, & rebate next time around.

[Rinkals]

The lies about Brexit are now so tenuous, every tory is terrified that as soon as Boris goes the next PM will completely ditch it, or least let the public know some of the truth. That is why he will cling on for as long as possible. He is basically Brexit.

Is ditching Brexit even possible any more? Even if Johnson's successor came back begging on his knees, why wouldn't the EU just tell him to fuck off?

I doubt they'd just say "fuck off", but they certainly wouldn't get the wide raft of concessions, vetos and exemptions that they had prior to Brexit.

[tabascoboy]

Hard to believe that they could trust the words and actions of a (specifically) English PM after all this, we're probably seen much like Orban's Hungary only more populated.

[Lobby]

Hard to believe that they could trust the words and actions of a (specifically) English PM after all this, we're probably seen much like Orban's Hungary only more populated.

As a new joiner, the UK would also have to join the Euro.

[GogLais]

The lies about Brexit are now so tenuous, every tory is terrified that as soon as Boris goes the next PM will completely ditch it, or least let the public know some of the truth. That is why he will cling on for as long as possible. He is basically Brexit.

Is ditching Brexit even possible any more? Even if Johnson's successor came back begging on his knees, why wouldn't the EU just tell him to fuck off?

Easy for me to say being retired but the idea of starting the whole EU debate again fills me with dread. Is any party going to put rejoining the EU in their manifesto?

[dpedin]

I see we are now repeating all the usual Brexit nonsense again. There are lots of options about the relationship we have with the EU other than the one we have now, regardless of what the Brexit Ultras tell you. It is not a binary decision. I post this diagram again with no apologies! We need to get beyond the previous shite and let the adults back into the room and sort this relationship with the EU out, our biggest and closest market and the most successful in the world, before the current bunch of twats in Gov destroy our economy and the UK. We are already suffering badly and things are only going to get worse with this stupid and self destructing NI Protocol shite, it is a battle we will only lose and one that is being fought purely to keep the current Gov and the DUP cling to power - it is however self defeating and will ultimately destroy the both of them. However the damage before then will be huge.

[Camroc2]

Wait for the lies from the Press Office now to, explain, how it wasn't him they were booing, or how it was only a couple of radicals, & the microphone was right beside them, or that the rest of the crowd was booing the boo'ers, for politicizing the event.

They were saying "Boo-ris."

[Camroc2]

Hard to believe that they could trust the words and actions of a (specifically) English PM after all this, we're probably seen much like Orban's Hungary only more populated.

As a new joiner, the UK would also have to join the Euro.

Only when its economy was considered strong enough though. So there'd probably be a last few years of sterling.........

[sefton]

Whether you were a remoaner or a rabid Brexiteer it’s a done deal now and there will be no going back for a generation at a minimum, we just have to find a way of mitigating the pain.

[fishfoodie]

Tony Connelly reckons the Bumblecunt is so fucked, that he's going with the worst possible trashing of the NIP, probably to force the EU to respond with withdrawing the TCA entirely, so he can bring the ERG nutters back on his side.

If you thought your economy was fucked now, wait till your businesses are only able to trade on WTO terms, & the EU starts slapping tariffs on your goods.

The date for the UK to introduce a bill to dismantle the Northern Ireland Protocol keeps shifting, and it may be contingent on when Boris Johnson faces a vote of no confidence.

The anticipated date was Monday. That slipped to Tuesday, then Wednesday. In the meantime, the number of Tory MPs who have sent letters to Sir Graham Brady is getting closer to the 54 threshold (if it has not already reached it).

That suggests that Sir Graham could hold the confidence vote as early as Tuesday. Alternatively, if rebels feel they have a better chance of actually winning the vote, they will wait until after the two by-elections on 23 June, which the Conservatives are expected to lose.

It is possible, therefore, that the legislation could be placed on hold until the confidence vote.

"Assuming Johnson survives the confidence vote," says one source close to the Conservative Party, "it would make a huge amount of sense from their perspective to bring [the bill] in straight away afterwards, to show that Johnson is on it, he's being active and being dynamic, he's got a plan".

Alternatively, Downing Street could bring the legislation out ahead of the confidence vote. "If you want to lock down the ERG [European Research Group] you would publish early, lock it down and make it robust so they like it," says one Irish official

....

What can we expect when the legislation does appear?

London has privately told Dublin that two options are being considered. In one version, the bill will simply give ministers enabling powers to disapply elements of the Protocol at some point in the future.

In the second, the bill will in itself, once enacted, immediately disapply key parts of the Protocol.

In recent days the second, harder option appears to have become the preferred choice, winning favour precisely because of Boris Johnson’s faltering leadership.

Sources familiar with the process say a tussle has been going on between the hard and soft options, and within the past 10 days the more hardline version has prevailed (although things could ebb in the other direction at the last minute).

It boils down to a choice between a blatant breach of international law or a theoretical, potential breach at some point in the future.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0604/13029 ... ol-brexit/

[_Os_]

Whether you were a remoaner or a rabid Brexiteer it’s a done deal now and there will be no going back for a generation at a minimum, we just have to find a way of mitigating the pain.

The problem is the Tories and Johnson have intentionally created an alternate reality about this subject (which is now smashing into reality), because that benefits them. Quite a lot of media have fallen into line, either because they support the Tories (most of the print media) or are scared of the Tories (the BBC). The unreality is that they can pretend an almost maximum pain option is actually really really great and completely unconnected to any pain.

As soon as a Tory MP inserted reality into all this by saying "the UK needs to be in the Single Market", they all bit his head off. So the Tory position is that they've chosen almost the least sustainable Brexit option possible, and they're going to defend that as long as possible. Keeping Johnson in power is also probably the only way of doing this.

I can't see how this Brexit deal lasts a generation. It means permanently lower living standards, economic stagnation, and higher borrowing than would've been the case to hide the failure. The Tories are now completely unhinged from reality, so I fully expect them to eventually burn down this deal and replace it with nothing. Maybe that will inject some reality into UK politics.

[dpedin]

Whether you were a remoaner or a rabid Brexiteer it’s a done deal now and there will be no going back for a generation at a minimum, we just have to find a way of mitigating the pain.

The problem is the Tories and Johnson have intentionally created an alternate reality about this subject (which is now smashing into reality), because that benefits them. Quite a lot of media have fallen into line, either because they support the Tories (most of the print media) or are scared of the Tories (the BBC). The unreality is that they can pretend an almost maximum pain option is actually really really great and completely unconnected to any pain.

As soon as a Tory MP inserted reality into all this by saying "the UK needs to be in the Single Market", they all bit his head off. So the Tory position is that they've chosen almost the least sustainable Brexit option possible, and they're going to defend that as long as possible. Keeping Johnson in power is also probably the only way of doing this.

I can't see how this Brexit deal lasts a generation. It means permanently lower living standards, economic stagnation, and higher borrowing than would've been the case to hide the failure. The Tories are now completely unhinged from reality, so I fully expect them to eventually burn down this deal and replace it with nothing. Maybe that will inject some reality into UK politics.

Deal isn't done! As I said earlier there are still a. number of options available for the UK and EU to come to a sensible arrangement that doesn't trash the UK economy and sink our international reputation however as Os says the problem is the internal UK politics or more accurately the internal tory party politics This means the Blonde Bumblecunt will use the NI protocol to create a trade war with the EU to support him with ERG in the misguided believe this will help him and the Tories win the next election. They will do anything and risk anything to save their skins.

[SaintK]

So vote of confidence in the blonde slug at 6pm tonight

[Margin__Walker]

It's happening.

[SaintK]

This sums it all up pretty well

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Boris looks nailed on to win sufficient votes tonight. Nobody knows what it may do to whatever passes for his authority. And too there are a number in the Tory party already looking at how they change the 1922 committee rules around not being able to challenge a leader who wins a confidence vote for 12 months, partly they don't think Boris can win a GE, partly they don't think Boris can go 12 months without cocking up in a manner which in able reasonable assessment necessitates the party firing him as leader

[Hal Jordan]

Even if he loses, I wouldn't put it past him to stay. The country elected him to do a job, and by golly gum misquoted Latin he's going to see it through.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Even if he loses, I wouldn't put it past him to stay. The country elected him to do a job, and by golly gum misquoted Latin he's going to see it through.

There's a Roman playwright of the republic, Publius Terentius ( or just Terence), born say 200 years B.C. who wrote the line 'Proximus sum egomet mihi' that Boris with his stepped learning in classics will surely be familiar with. The line literally translated means 'I am closest to myself' from which one is supposed to draw the inference that charity begins at home, but you might reasonably wonder if Boris isn't a literalist in this

[C T]

Since there was an air of inevitability about this, probably best case scenario for BJ is to get it over with before the by-elections.

Is it possible his allies put in letters to get this done before them? Seems this is the best way to give him a year unchallenged.

[C69]

I hope he survives. He is now a pariah, a joke and a liability to the Tories.The probability of losing the red wall with the polling results was the nail in the coffin. If Starmer goes as well this is going to be a rollercoaster.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Since there was an air of inevitability about this, probably best case scenario for BJ is to get it over with before the by-elections.

Is it possible his allies put in letters to get this done before them? Seems this is the best way to give him a year unchallenged.

He doesn't have allies. He has Nadine Dorries and then a bunch of people who see Boris as being better for their careers who are just waiting for the right (safe) moment to put the knife in. And we'd have to allow Nadine Dorries might just be putting on an act she so adores Boris and she too is merely waiting for the chance to strike

In theory though yes, but there's not much precedence for surviving a confidence vote with one's power enhanced if even intact, so it's a strategy Sir Humphrey would likely call brave

[Biffer]

I hope he survives. He is now a pariah, a joke and a liability to the Tories.The probability of losing the red wall with the polling results was the nail in the coffin. If Starmer goes as well this is going to be a rollercoaster.

Yeah, poll results will crash further if they confirm hell be here for the next year - and so probably until the next GE

[Margin__Walker]

Agree. Surely the biggest threat to Labour is him actually going. Fingers crossed.

[dpedin]

He will win but there will be enough votes against to mortally wound him. He will continue in office and continue to drag the Tory party down, they will likely lose both forthcoming by-elections and will end up with a dead man walking into the next General Election. Labour and Lib Dems will be delighted with this outcome, the Blonde Bumblecunt will never get the public back, particularly with more Partygate shit to hit the fan over the summer.

[dpedin]

Car crash of an interview by Victoria Derbyshire with Andrew Bridgen on BBC News channel just now! She manages to poke holes in every shred of his defence for his position re the Blonde Bumblecunt, makes it obvious he is driven purely by self interest (no surprise there then) and he ends up a babbling bag of shite! He is as thick as a pound of mince.

Interesting that BBC suggesting that all the supportive tweets from ministers are one thing but that they could all walk into secret ballot and vote against him. Lots of suspicion that the bunch of duplicitous bastards are less than straightforward with their support, as P G Wodehouse would say there are 'wheels within wheels'.

[Paddington Bear]

Suspect that he'll win but have over 100 vote against him, limping on as they lose the by elections at the end of the month.

[tabascoboy]

Suspect the Tories are too weak and have too much self-interest at stake to kick the slug out, but depressingly the two main names touted as replacements are Jeremy Hunt and Liz Truss - I mean Christ alive is that all they've got? A few others appear to be discounted for various reasons then Ben Wallace as an outsider seen as another but he's made a strong statement of support for the slug this morning, unless that's merely a ploy...