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[assfly]

Great news. Send them to Pollsmoor.

I doubt they'll ever see justice, if you look at how hard it has been to convict Zuma, but at least they haven't gotten away with it scot-free.

[FalseBayFC]

I've read unconfirmed reports that extradition proceedings are going ahead. I'm pretty sure that if they ever appear in front of a South African Court they'll be fkd. Zuma has a massive support base still. The Guptas not so much. Any bets on one or both of them being Epsteined while in custody? They must know so many secrets and have shit tons of kompromat on some powerful people here.

[Chilli]

I've read unconfirmed reports that extradition proceedings are going ahead. I'm pretty sure that if they ever appear in front of a South African Court they'll be fkd. Zuma has a massive support base still. The Guptas not so much. Any bets on one or both of them being Epsteined while in custody? They must know so many secrets and have shit tons of kompromat on some powerful people here.

Might not be a bad thing.

[_Os_]

I've read unconfirmed reports that extradition proceedings are going ahead. I'm pretty sure that if they ever appear in front of a South African Court they'll be fkd. Zuma has a massive support base still. The Guptas not so much. Any bets on one or both of them being Epsteined while in custody? They must know so many secrets and have shit tons of kompromat on some powerful people here.

I agree, they're fucked. SA is a place where a former president ended up in court and did some jail time, that would never happen in some supposedly more developed democracies. The Guptas aren't South Africans they're foreign bagmen, plenty of evidence that they were extremely racist towards black South Africans during their time in SA too. No one is going to support them. There's two types of ANC elite, those that wrote the laws to make their stealing legal (BEE) and those that were left out of that process and did their stealing the old fashioned way. The Guptas rolled with the latter group, they'll have all the dirt on Zuma and the Premier League and will be in such a weak position they'll want to talk, a lot of criminals will want to make sure they're silenced.

I'll be happy if they end up in an SA court, they clearly regarded SA as a joke and never thought that outcome was possible.

[FalseBayFC]

They're selling asphalt in Spar now to do DIY pothole filling. Potholes not really an issue in Cape Town and surrounds.

[troglodiet]

Was in matric and had just turned 18 so could work for IEC at my local polling station (Heidelberg Town Hall)

If you're talking about Heidelberg Gauteng, then we cast our votes close to each other. I voted in Nigel; my then girlfriend, now wife, grew up there.

I was livng in Springs at the time, where I moved back to recently after 25 years.

[Niegs]

Just saw this...

[troglodiet]

I've read unconfirmed reports that extradition proceedings are going ahead. I'm pretty sure that if they ever appear in front of a South African Court they'll be fkd. Zuma has a massive support base still. The Guptas not so much. Any bets on one or both of them being Epsteined while in custody? They must know so many secrets and have shit tons of kompromat on some powerful people here.

I agree, they're fucked. SA is a place where a former president ended up in court and did some jail time, that would never happen in some supposedly more developed democracies. The Guptas aren't South Africans they're foreign bagmen, plenty of evidence that they were extremely racist towards black South Africans during their time in SA too. No one is going to support them. There's two types of ANC elite, those that wrote the laws to make their stealing legal (BEE) and those that were left out of that process and did their stealing the old fashioned way. The Guptas rolled with the latter group, they'll have all the dirt on Zuma and the Premier League and will be in such a weak position they'll want to talk, a lot of criminals will want to make sure they're silenced.

I'll be happy if they end up in an SA court, they clearly regarded SA as a joke and never thought that outcome was possible.

A bit weird that the FBI isn't involved at all. I read somewhere that fraud with US dollars is a federal crime in the States, no matter where in the works it occurs or the nationality of the criminals.

That's probably why the DA got the FBI involved in the Ramaphosa investigation.

Whilst on the subject of Ramaphosa, i must admit I'm extremely disappointed. I hold him in such high regard that I considered voting for the ANC in the next General election. Apart from Jan Smuts and Frederik van Zyl Slabbert, he was my favorite SA politician. There no way that $6m stolen from him was clean.

[Wilson's Toffee]

Ramaphosa is just another lawyer/politician/crook. Slabbert gets some respect from me, Smuts was a charlatan of the highest order, Ramaphosa a not very sophisticated crook.
Like most politicians...

[_Os_]

A bit weird that the FBI isn't involved at all. I read somewhere that fraud with US dollars is a federal crime in the States, no matter where in the works it occurs or the nationality of the criminals.

That's probably why the DA got the FBI involved in the Ramaphosa investigation.

Whilst on the subject of Ramaphosa, i must admit I'm extremely disappointed. I hold him in such high regard that I considered voting for the ANC in the next General election. Apart from Jan Smuts and Frederik van Zyl Slabbert, he was my favorite SA politician. There no way that $6m stolen from him was clean.

No one in the ANC is clean, but it's been a bit surprising how low rent Ramaphosa is turning out to be. My guess (only an opinion) is that to get anywhere in the ANC you now need stash of cash to pay some very dodgy people off on an ongoing basis, obviously if that is the case then part of that can be the legalised corruption (BEE) but part of it would have to be untraceable. Why he was using US dollars is interesting, it's a hard currency, but Rands are fully convertible and it's not like they're worthless. What if the US knew the precarious position SA was in and would rather it not fall apart, and knew Ramaphosa was useless but also the best ANC candidate, so the US helped supply his US dollar war chest? If it's not the US then it could be some other powerful group like SA billionaires (many have speculated they provided the financial assistance so he could narrowly win against the Zuma faction). There are some powerful people where the calculation would be "resupplying him with a few million every now and again is much cheaper than the alternative". It's not clear at all that it's Ramaphosa's own cash.

All not good. No one should be voting ANC but that's been true for 2 decades now.

You seem to be searching for party that's: pro-capitalism (supports private property and the right to own what's yours), pro-rule of law, anti-corruption, pro-merit (does not support people gaining positions based on their race or political affiliation). But for whatever reason don't want to back the DA. I think you're overthinking this one, the DA is all those things at the moment and worth supporting. SA is approaching a critical point politically (this should've happened decades ago, but sadly a lot needed to fall apart first), if the DA is weak there won't be a good outcome, it needs more support/votes/members/money. Zille/Leon/Suzman/Schwarz are all more worthy of your admiration than anyone still connected with the ANC.

[average joe]

Oh got! It's a game farm. Do any of you know how the hunting market works? Your big spenders are American hunters. You're talking $20k for the privilege of shooting one Cape Buffalo. They like paying in dollars. The worst that can be said is that it's in cash so tax evasion. Something that many farmers and small to medium businesses in SA partake in.

I'll fix your car for xxxx amount.
I cant afford that.
Ok I'll take the VAT of but then you have to pay me cash and there's no invoice.

I bought 10 cows but two was struck by lightning and one died of hartswater, wink wink, nudge nudge.

[_Os_]

Oh got! It's a game farm. Do any of you know how the hunting market works? Your big spenders are American hunters. You're talking $20k for the privilege of shooting one Cape Buffalo. They like paying in dollars. The worst that can be said is that it's in cash so tax evasion. Something that many farmers and small to medium businesses in SA partake in.

I'll fix your car for xxxx amount.
I cant afford that.
Ok I'll take the VAT of but then you have to pay me cash and there's no invoice.

I bought 10 cows but two was struck by lightning and one died of hartswater, wink wink, nudge nudge.

Game livestock auctions have come out and said "we don't deal in any cash" it's all done by bank transfers because the amounts are so large and everyone wants to do things legally.

Yes some contractors prefer cash the same as anywhere, but is there really a Zimbabwe situation where there's a parallel US dollar economy in SA. It seems really unlikely to me, the Rand is a stable currency that is freely convertible (if people want physical US dollars they can get them). For most people US dollars would just have the extra hassle of being converted into Rands so they could actually use them.

A pile of US dollars stacking up into the multiple millions, doesn't sound like the normal running of any type of SA farm to me.

[average joe]

Oh got! It's a game farm. Do any of you know how the hunting market works? Your big spenders are American hunters. You're talking $20k for the privilege of shooting one Cape Buffalo. They like paying in dollars. The worst that can be said is that it's in cash so tax evasion. Something that many farmers and small to medium businesses in SA partake in.

I'll fix your car for xxxx amount.
I cant afford that.
Ok I'll take the VAT of but then you have to pay me cash and there's no invoice.

I bought 10 cows but two was struck by lightning and one died of hartswater, wink wink, nudge nudge.

Game livestock auctions have come out and said "we don't deal in any cash" it's all done by bank transfers because the amounts are so large and everyone wants to do things legally.

Yes some contractors prefer cash the same as anywhere, but is there really a Zimbabwe situation where there's a parallel US dollar economy in SA. It seems really unlikely to me, the Rand is a stable currency that is freely convertible (if people want physical US dollars they can get them). For most people US dollars would just have the extra hassle of being converted into Rands so they could actually use them.

A pile of US dollars stacking up into the multiple millions, doesn't sound like the normal running of any type of SA farm to me.

Auctioneers don't deal in cash. If you asked me, I could have told you and saved you the time googling. Anyone whose actioned off animals knows this. Private hunters don't necessarily though and you make a lot more dosh selling privately to Yank trophy hunters. You even get to keep the meat.

[average joe]

Yank hunters prefer to do everything in dollars. It's easier for them, even give you some to organise some local talent to keep the bed warm. Speak to some PH's, they'll enlighten you.

[_Os_]

Auctioneers don't deal in cash. If you asked me, I could have told you and saved you the time googling. Anyone whose actioned off animals knows this. Private hunters don't necessarily though and you make a lot more dosh selling privately to Yank trophy hunters. You even get to keep the meat.

I didn't Google it, it was in a podcast I listened to a few weeks back (BizNews maybe?). Is it at all realistic to you that he could have US$8m stacked up in a room in his house, as part of the normal running of his business?

[FalseBayFC]

Oh got! It's a game farm. Do any of you know how the hunting market works? Your big spenders are American hunters. You're talking $20k for the privilege of shooting one Cape Buffalo. They like paying in dollars. The worst that can be said is that it's in cash so tax evasion. Something that many farmers and small to medium businesses in SA partake in.

I'll fix your car for xxxx amount.
I cant afford that.
Ok I'll take the VAT of but then you have to pay me cash and there's no invoice.

I bought 10 cows but two was struck by lightning and one died of hartswater, wink wink, nudge nudge.

Game livestock auctions have come out and said "we don't deal in any cash" it's all done by bank transfers because the amounts are so large and everyone wants to do things legally.

Yes some contractors prefer cash the same as anywhere, but is there really a Zimbabwe situation where there's a parallel US dollar economy in SA. It seems really unlikely to me, the Rand is a stable currency that is freely convertible (if people want physical US dollars they can get them). For most people US dollars would just have the extra hassle of being converted into Rands so they could actually use them.

A pile of US dollars stacking up into the multiple millions, doesn't sound like the normal running of any type of SA farm to me.

Auctioneers don't deal in cash. If you asked me, I could have told you and saved you the time googling. Anyone whose actioned off animals knows this. Private hunters don't necessarily though and you make a lot more dosh selling privately to Yank trophy hunters. You even get to keep the meat.

Big money and a big business.

https://businesstech.co.za/news/busines ... 8-million/

[_Os_]

Yank hunters prefer to do everything in dollars. It's easier for them, even give you some to organise some local talent to keep the bed warm. Speak to some PH's, they'll enlighten you.

So you're saying Ramaphosa's claim he got it by selling animals at auction is kak. It instead comes from trophy hunting.

What are we looking at for one of the Big 5? US$10k-US$50k? So between 200 and 800 hunts?

Maybe that does explain it then, it's a very large amount of hunts though.

But back to my original post, why would a billionaire need an undeclared pool of US dollars? Why would Ramaphosa need to dirty himself in any of this? There's been quite a lot of books written on the subject of ANC corruption now, no one gets to the top of the ANC without buying support. No war chest, no ANC top job. We're really just discussing how he's generating his war chest.

[_Os_]

Big money and a big business.

https://businesstech.co.za/news/busines ... 8-million/

Ramaphosa's claim is he generated his stack of millions of US$ via that method (selling valuable animal/s). But no, all the auctions of animals that valuable are done using bank transfers, which is what Average Joe has said and everyone else that's in or has been in that business has said. There's no duffle bags filled with cash that is then stored unsecured in someone's home after selling a valuable animal.

[average joe]

He might have by selling them privately out of hand but not through any reputable auctioneers, perhaps private auctions.

Big hunters don't come over just to shoot one animal. It's also known that arm twisting is part of a good PH's job.

I went with my BiL for his first hunt, we were planning to take a few Impala and perhaps a Kudu. When the PH heard it was my BiL's first hunt he thought we were all first timers and took us to a farm were the farmer only kept Sable's. Every animal we came across was a huge Sable bull, he told my BiL it was a sign and that he'll never get such a chance again in his life. We didn't see one Impala or Kudu that whole day. A nice sized Sable can fetch up to 25k-30k for local hunters (biltong hunters). Farmers tend to charge a lot more for fancy pant Yank hunters though ,especially for things like a Sable.

I cant say how Ramaphosa got all this money. Perhaps it's lizard people from mars that gave him the money, who knows? It all just proves what I've always said. Politicians are all a bunch of lazy crooks and not to be trusted.

[FalseBayFC]

No load-shedding how is this possible? We've just taken a short term rental in Kenilworth Cape Town while we have some alterations and renovation done at home. We don't get loadshedded at all! Are there some areas that don't get affected?

[assfly]

No load-shedding how is this possible? We've just taken a short term rental in Kenilworth Cape Town while we have some alterations and renovation done at home. We don't get loadshedded at all! Are there some areas that don't get affected?

You must have important neighbours!

[FalseBayFC]

No load-shedding how is this possible? We've just taken a short term rental in Kenilworth Cape Town while we have some alterations and renovation done at home. We don't get loadshedded at all! Are there some areas that don't get affected?

You must have important neighbours!

We're in Harfield Village which abuts the Metrorail railway line. Thats the only thing I can think of.

[_Os_]

It all just proves what I've always said. Politicians are all a bunch of lazy crooks and not to be trusted.

There's still the conviction politicians out there that are decent and hard working. Ramaphosa managed to convince people he was a conviction politician somehow, when a lot of his biography was about amassing personal wealth and climbing the ANC career ladder. Ramaphosa doesn't seem to have thought much about things like political ideology or economics, these things can't be learned on the job and take time to reach conclusions on, which if I'm right means he doesn't even really know how to change or improve anything. He's a bit hollow because he focused on making money his whole life. A conviction politician would have a firm set of ideals they had thought through going into the job, they would know what they were doing and what they wanted to achieve, maybe their ideals would be wrong and they would make things worse but the motivation still wouldn't be financial self interest.

There's no one in the ANC that's a conviction politician who actually cares about trying to improve people's lives. That's why they're now all clueless about politics and economics, they haven't thought through these things because they're not interested in them, it's all irrelevant to them making money.

The DA has quite a few conviction politicians, Zille is an obvious one. It's not great that the DA are vilified on the basis of being no better than the ANC, because the conviction politician is looking to be rewarded with glory. If there's no praise and glory for doing the right thing, there's no self interest at all for capable people to go into politics (anyone decent is taking a pay cut going into politics).

[Big Nipper]

It all just proves what I've always said. Politicians are all a bunch of lazy crooks and not to be trusted.

There's still the conviction politicians out there that are decent and hard working. Ramaphosa managed to convince people he was a conviction politician somehow, when a lot of his biography was about amassing personal wealth and climbing the ANC career ladder. Ramaphosa doesn't seem to have thought much about things like political ideology or economics, these things can't be learned on the job and take time to reach conclusions on, which if I'm right means he doesn't even really know how to change or improve anything. He's a bit hollow because he focused on making money his whole life. A conviction politician would have a firm set of ideals they had thought through going into the job, they would know what they were doing and what they wanted to achieve, maybe their ideals would be wrong and they would make things worse but the motivation still wouldn't be financial self interest.

There's no one in the ANC that's a conviction politician who actually cares about trying to improve people's lives. That's why they're now all clueless about politics and economics, they haven't thought through these things because they're not interested in them, it's all irrelevant to them making money.

The DA has quite a few conviction politicians, Zille is an obvious one. It's not great that the DA are vilified on the basis of being no better than the ANC, because the conviction politician is looking to be rewarded with glory. If there's no praise and glory for doing the right thing, there's no self interest at all for capable people to go into politics (anyone decent is taking a pay cut going into politics).

[_Os_]

I think you'll find he struggles to give Zille any credit at all, Nipper. Because he worked for the DA he goes harder on them, to try and balance his anti-ANC takes and avoid being accused of bias.

It's one of the really stupid things about SA politics, everyone pretends that the ANC and DA are equal to each other and just as bad as each other. Destroying large parts of the state sector and mass corruption, just as bad as running some metros as well as possible. We all know that's not true though.

[average joe]

It all just proves what I've always said. Politicians are all a bunch of lazy crooks and not to be trusted.

There's still the conviction politicians out there that are decent and hard working. Ramaphosa managed to convince people he was a conviction politician somehow, when a lot of his biography was about amassing personal wealth and climbing the ANC career ladder. Ramaphosa doesn't seem to have thought much about things like political ideology or economics, these things can't be learned on the job and take time to reach conclusions on, which if I'm right means he doesn't even really know how to change or improve anything. He's a bit hollow because he focused on making money his whole life. A conviction politician would have a firm set of ideals they had thought through going into the job, they would know what they were doing and what they wanted to achieve, maybe their ideals would be wrong and they would make things worse but the motivation still wouldn't be financial self interest.

There's no one in the ANC that's a conviction politician who actually cares about trying to improve people's lives. That's why they're now all clueless about politics and economics, they haven't thought through these things because they're not interested in them, it's all irrelevant to them making money.

The DA has quite a few conviction politicians, Zille is an obvious one. It's not great that the DA are vilified on the basis of being no better than the ANC, because the conviction politician is looking to be rewarded with glory. If there's no praise and glory for doing the right thing, there's no self interest at all for capable people to go into politics (anyone decent is taking a pay cut going into politics).

Try as you may but you'll never convince me politicians are purely in it for the betterment of others. They might start of that way when they are young but soon change when they realize what's at stake. If there was no monetary or power gained through politics, no one would be in politics.

Even when you watch Parliament you get the impression that these people feel fokol for the populace. They're all in there fighting and disagreeing with each other. Not one will raise his hand and say "Guy's we have this problem that's causing a great deal of suffering and hardship, let's find a solution together. I suggest we can do x or y" Not one? It's all "the ANC is shit and we will be better" They're in there squabbling like a bunch of rats over the cream whilst we must be happy with the crumbs.

[_Os_]

Try as you may but you'll never convince me politicians are purely in it for the betterment of others. They might start of that way when they are young but soon change when they realize what's at stake. If there was no monetary or power gained through politics, no one would be in politics.

Even when you watch Parliament you get the impression that these people feel fokol for the populace. They're all in there fighting and disagreeing with each other. Not one will raise his hand and say "Guy's we have this problem that's causing a great deal of suffering and hardship, let's find a solution together. I suggest we can do x or y" Not one? It's all "the ANC is shit and we will be better" They're in there squabbling like a bunch of rats over the cream whilst we must be happy with the crumbs.

There's quite a few in the DA who could emigrate tomorrow and get minimum x2 what they're on doing public service in SA as a politician. R300k for being a ward councillor isn't a great salary if they're actually doing the work (on call 24/7, dealing with Karens like Average Joe saying "don't you know I pay your salary!" every day). I've spoken to quite a few people who have worked with Zille, her work rate is relentless, she runs men under 30 ragged with how hard and long she works. Someone with her ability could've earned a lot in the private sector if they had wanted that.

Like I said some people go into it to make a difference, the glory if they achieve that is the reason for them. In SA you'll only find politicians like that in the DA, you need power to make a difference and most minnow parties struggle with that so don't attract many of those people.

[average joe]

Talking does not qualify as work. And I've never claimed I pay anyone's salary. I've had people throw that one at me a few times though.

[_Os_]

Talking does not qualify as work

Shutter SA's service sector, everyone down the mines!
But most of SA's economy is services, a lot of it is people talking and tapping into computers.
AJ is clear on this, it's not work, report to the mines immediately ward councillor, your rock drill and some real work is waiting!

[average joe]

Believe it or not Ox, there's people out there that actually do real dirty hard work for 5k a month. I'm sure when you start out as a politician with your degrees in social studies and political science that your aim was not to be a lowly ward consular for the rest of your career.

[assfly]

This is such a weird argument to follow.

[_Os_]

Believe it or not Ox, there's people out there that actually do real dirty hard work for 5k a month. I'm sure when you start out as a politician with your degrees in social studies and political science that your aim was not to be a lowly ward consular for the rest of your career.

People doing hard labour for that little, would give anything to be earning more talking and tapping into a computer. This is getting silly AJ.

That's the thing though isn't it. What is the incentive for me to start a political career in SA? Ignoring that my identity is all wrong for the job (a minority within a minority, who has spent a lot of time outside SA), it would be much harder than you assume to be a become ward councillor, then hard to do well and be noticed, then everything else comes even more into play for any chance of getting higher (ability/qualifications/politics/identity/contacts). Almost all the decent ones start out in their early 20s, because everyone with good intentions needs to be naive about it to even attempt it.

Running a business is literally more rewarding. But you don't change the world doing that, which back to my original point is the attraction for some politicians (and not making money through corruption).

[average joe]

I'm sorry if you are in politics and I insulted you Ox. I'm sure you're a great guy and mean only well, it's just that I have an inherent distrust in you guys.

[_Os_]

I'm sorry if you are in politics and I insulted you Ox. I'm sure you're a great guy and mean only well, it's just that I have an inherent distrust in you guys.

It's all lekker don't worry. No I'm not in politics. If/when (it was looking like when before Covid) I move back to SA I will put myself forward as a councillor wherever I end up, technically a lot of councillors are supposed to be part time (but the workload is really a full time job) which really means if you have a business you can make good money too (no employer would tolerate someone randomly disappearing to their part-time job). Like I said though it's very unlikely I would get selected and hard to get anywhere even if I was. It would be more like "ticked that box, tried my best", it's supposed to be public service not some do or die attempt at a career.

[average joe]

My problem with politicians is with something you stated earlier (anyone decent is taking a pay cut going into politics). The problem is the "decent" part, you cant convince me that any of them are decent and even if you could, you cant point out which ones are really decent or just appears to be decent to garner support and get people to vote for them.

[_Os_]

My problem with politicians is with something you stated earlier (anyone decent is taking a pay cut going into politics). The problem is the "decent" part, you cant convince me that any of them are decent and even if you could, you cant point out which ones are really decent or just appears to be decent to garner support and get people to vote for them.

The way the system is supposed to work, is that people interested in politics are party members and know the candidates personally, they know if candidate Van Der Merwe is decent because they've known him for years. This has stopped working even in longer established democracies than SA, where party membership has collapsed. Got to say I think everyone interested should pick a party and be a party member, even if they're not going to every branch meeting, it strengthens the system and dispels some of the negativity.

I can see I'm not going to convince you AJ. But I know extremely rich guys as I'm sure you do too, none of them will ever be able to buy the love Zille gets from random ordinary people when she's walking around and people come up to her and ask for selfies and the rest. That's the self interest reason for a decent person going into it, it's about what can't be bought. It's similar to other public service jobs (police, health care), about half the people in it are cunts who just want to pay the bills and would happily do something else for more money, the other half want to serve people for the job satisfaction of doing that.

[average joe]

It's hard when your main function is to get people to vote for your party and people feel that you'll say, do and be anything just to get them to vote for you. You see this happen in SA politics a lot. When a party says one thing for a while only to realize it's not working and then firing and hiring and changing it's whole tune, it's hard to put your trust in them. What stops them from not doing it again in future.

[_Os_]

It's hard when your main function is to get people to vote for your party and people feel that you'll say, do and be anything just to get them to vote for you. You see this happen in SA politics a lot. When a party says one thing for a while only to realize it's not working and then firing and hiring and changing it's whole tune, it's hard to put your trust in them. What stops them from not doing it again in future.

Speaking only about the DA, the leadership changed direction in the 2010s, which accelerated under Maimane. Members were never really fully onboard with it, no one joins the DA for ANC type policies, Maimane didn't grow the membership or the votes (most DA members and activists are black, Maimane's failure was he didn't grow black support ... he left it as he found it). It was obvious before 2019 the DA would do badly. Since then they've gone back to their standard position, it was the members and especially the councillors that forced that change, through internal elections the lower reaches of the party hierarchy ejected the entire Maimane leadership (I've heard a lot about that guy none of it good). I'm happy with their direction since then, also shows that anyone going into the party to try and change it into something totally different will fail.

I follow some of the minnows, some are terrible flip floppers, others not so much. ANC was heading towards the cliff decades back, went through the crash barriers in the 2010s and just kept flooring the accelerator, now we're in the 2020s and they're over the cliff and there's still no u-turn from them.

[average joe]

The ANC wont change, they'll keep going headfirst into oblivion. Remember, they believe they'll rule "till Jesus comes" no matter what.

[bok_viking]

No load-shedding how is this possible? We've just taken a short term rental in Kenilworth Cape Town while we have some alterations and renovation done at home. We don't get loadshedded at all! Are there some areas that don't get affected?

You must have important neighbours!

We're in Harfield Village which abuts the Metrorail railway line. Thats the only thing I can think of.

I know of some areas in KZN and in Gauteng where they don't do loadshedding because everytime they do Loadshedding in those areas, Eskom infrastructure gets stolen and needs to be replaced, so eventually they stopped loadshedding because it became to costly
My neighbour's parents live in 1 such area.