Stop voting for fucking Tories

[ASMO]

It's a prime example of their arrogance. They've gotten away with sh*tting on everyone else and stealing from the public purse in front of our eyes for so long, they really believed they could do anything and get away with it.

Agreed - but why do it anyway - there were plenty of MPs, that supported him, that he could have given the whips job to - why take the really stupid option of giving it to a known sex pest. It's beyond arrogance - it's plain crazy.

In a word. Laziness !

He could have been diligent, but he doesn't do details, & isn't interested, he just wants to do the cosplay appearances

You have to bear in mind the fat slug has form for this himself, he used a positon of power to get Nut Nut to nosh him off on the sofa. So he probably saw him as an ally in that.

[Torquemada 1420]

Kerrrist. The "resignation" speech
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62072419

Trying to work out whether the applause was for him leaving and this was another lack of self awareness.

[tabascoboy]

Read a few times about his "dignified" speech, must've been a different one to that which I saw ( and many others)

[Torquemada 1420]

Read a few times about his "dignified" speech, must've been a different one to that which I saw ( and many others)

Typical mix of arrogance, lies and plain delusion.

[GogLais]

He spent most of his working life slagging off politicians, probably convinced himself any fool could be PM.

[Insane_Homer]

fuck me, he's a slipper shit.

[_Os_]

To be fair, about 99.997% of all politicians find themselves in all three categories.

A minority of politicians can be described using two of those words. If you look hard enough, you might find a politician somewhere that fits only one those 3 descriptions.

That's not actually true though.

Starmer's shadow cabinet is clearly a merit based selection, multiple shadow ministers could be a threat to Starmer as opposition leader based purely on ability. Cooper and Reeves aren't morons, aren't incompetent, aren't compromised and if they are and it's just not public they're hardly likely to be little better than a rapist.

To put it into perspective, the UK has a worse executive team than the city of Cape Town.

When people say this sort of thing - they're all dreadful, they're all as bad as each other, all politicians are liars - it's an excuse; either for disengaging (it's a relief not to have to form a view and take a position), or for supporting the real arseholes because you suspect them being in power is in your personal interest.

It's mostly the former, a lot of people seem to want freedom from politics. It's a common position in the developed world and among middle classes in the developing world. They just don't want to hear about politics or think about it at all, they don't even want to read/watch the news. It's the immature delusion that freedom is about having no responsibility and making no hard choices, politics is just far enough removed for this to seem credible when it wouldn't be if it were something more mundane closer to home (paying the bills or whatever).

"All just the same", so Patel and Cooper are the same, Zahawi and Reeves are the same, Hands and Miliband are the same. It doesn't take a politics nerd to spot that this isn't true, watching Patel and Cooper face eachother in the Commons once is enough.

Tory strategy plays into this, by attempting to claim Starmer is as bad as Johnson in different ways. Trogs should be a bit wiser to it, it's the same strategy the ANC use against the DA. If the party in power is awful, they'll do all they can to ensure they're held to no standards whatsoever whilst the opposition is held to insane standards, the quiet part of "they're all the same" is "so why vote anyone out".

[sturginho]

He wants to stay on as caretaker so that he can use Chequers as a party venue......

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... t-27422792

[Insane_Homer]

you reckon he's holding out in hope of his own Jan 6th? Would love to see what that would amount too.

[sturginho]

you reckon he's holding out in hope of his own Jan 6th? Would love to see what that would amount too.

I think that he still thinks it might just all blow over if he hangs on long enough

[SaintK]

fuck me, he's a slipper shit.

That's Chris Bryant's take on it as well

He hasn’t resigned so far, he said he’s going to resign later on this year.
It’s now in the hands of the Conservative Party to decide how long that is going to take, if it is going to be a few days, OK, maybe he can stay.
If it is going to be months he cannot stay, because that puts the country’s security and economy at risk because he will be a completely lame duck prime minister.

[Lobby]

fuck me, he's a slipper shit.

That's Chris Bryant's take on it as well

He hasn’t resigned so far, he said he’s going to resign later on this year.
It’s now in the hands of the Conservative Party to decide how long that is going to take, if it is going to be a few days, OK, maybe he can stay.
If it is going to be months he cannot stay, because that puts the country’s security and economy at risk because he will be a completely lame duck prime minister.

Actually, I think the greater danger with Johnson is that, rather than being a lame duck, he will try to force through reckless and damaging legislation during his last few months, including tax cuts and breaking the Brexit deal with the EU.

Earlier today, Theresa May was asked about her own transition period, and she reflected:

"When I stepped down there was a process, the new leader of the party was determined and during that period of time I was still there as prime minister, able to do some things, but, crucially you have to restrict yourself what you do during that period of time for several reasons."


Johnson is unlikely to recognise any reason to restrict his actions, and his Cabinet of fools and yes men are unlikely to stop him, which is another reason for him to be kicked out as soon as possible. I would much rather we have a care-taker in place who is simply there to continue the business of Government, and not enact new legislation.

[Paddington Bear]

you reckon he's holding out in hope of his own Jan 6th? Would love to see what that would amount too.

No, he's hoping:
1) The possible replacements tear each other apart in a way that discredits them all and
2) there's some sort of event that means he can say 'in the national interest' he should stay on

He's playing for time exactly like he did with Partygate, the slippery bastard.

[fishfoodie]

fuck me, he's a slipper shit.

That's Chris Bryant's take on it as well

He hasn’t resigned so far, he said he’s going to resign later on this year.
It’s now in the hands of the Conservative Party to decide how long that is going to take, if it is going to be a few days, OK, maybe he can stay.
If it is going to be months he cannot stay, because that puts the country’s security and economy at risk because he will be a completely lame duck prime minister.

I wouldn't put it past him to declare his intention to compete in the Leadership election.

[Niegs]

Thread reveals the culprit a few posts down...

[_Os_]

you reckon he's holding out in hope of his own Jan 6th? Would love to see what that would amount too.

No, he's hoping:
1) The possible replacements tear each other apart in a way that discredits them all and
2) there's some sort of event that means he can say 'in the national interest' he should stay on

He's playing for time exactly like he did with Partygate, the slippery bastard.

That's his intention, but he's surely lost too many of his foot soldiers for it to work.

He could only survive the Privileges Committee process if he had some general opinion/sympathy on his side (the Privileges Committee didn't recommend he be given a sanction of 10 or more days suspension, or the Speaker decided Privileges Committee recommendations couldn't trigger a recall no matter what sanction resulted), or if he had enough MPs willing to vote down any recommended sanction he received. There's a massive post (even by my standards) where I went through the process.

Given sentiment and his lack of support, the Privileges Committee and a recall now isn't survivable. He could escape into the Lords though maybe, in that massive post I didn't try to work through that possibility as at the time I thought his own MPs would block any sanction which could trigger a constituency recall.

[fishfoodie]

Gove is smartly playing the long game, & not running in this Leadership race.

The next 4/5 years are not going to be ones you want to be in power.

[Lobby]

you reckon he's holding out in hope of his own Jan 6th? Would love to see what that would amount too.

No, he's hoping:
1) The possible replacements tear each other apart in a way that discredits them all and
2) there's some sort of event that means he can say 'in the national interest' he should stay on

He's playing for time exactly like he did with Partygate, the slippery bastard.

That's his intention, but he's surely lost too many of his foot soldiers for it to work.

He could only survive the Privileges Committee process if he had some general opinion/sympathy on his side (the Privileges Committee didn't recommend he be given a sanction of 10 or more days suspension, or the Speaker decided Privileges Committee recommendations couldn't trigger a recall no matter what sanction resulted), or if he had enough MPs willing to vote down any recommended sanction he received. There's a massive post (even by my standards) where I went through the process.

Given sentiment and his lack of support, the Privileges Committee and a recall now isn't survivable. He could escape into the Lords though maybe, in that massive post I didn't try to work through that possibility as at the time I thought his own MPs would block any sanction which could trigger a constituency recall.

His appearance before the Privileges Committee could be interesting given that several of the resignation letters all but admitted that he had not only misled the House himself, but also provided false information to ministers which led to them misleading the House.

[Biffer]

I mean - why on earth give a known sex pest a job as a whip. And why, when you are telling the public to isolate, allow, and attend parties in number 10 - that's just plain dumb, mindboggingly stupid. And, all politicians bend the truth, but to keep being caught out in obvious outright lies, for which the truth was always going to come out - is also bloody stupid.

It's a prime example of their arrogance. They've gotten away with sh*tting on everyone else and stealing from the public purse in front of our eyes for so long, they really believed they could do anything and get away with it.

Agreed - but why do it anyway - there were plenty of MPs, that supported him, that he could have given the whips job to - why take the really stupid option of giving it to a known sex pest. It's beyond arrogance - it's plain crazy.

You’ve really not got it. He genuinely believes these kinds of rules don’t apply to him. That’s all there is to it. He genuinely believes it.

[tabascoboy]

Some good news out of this, hopefully

Channel 4 privatisation and human rights changes may now be scrapped - think tank

If you're unclear on how a caretaker cabinet works, the BBC has been speaking to Dr Catherine Haddon, senior fellow at the Institute for Government think tank, to shed some light on what it means for policies.

She tells the BBC that Boris Johnson won't be able to continue as normal and will face some restrictions on what he's allowed to do.

"That said, it's not supposed to stop you dealing with the business of government," she adds.

"You have to make judgement calls all the time... where do you need to make decisions about the economy that could prove controversial... where do you need to drop things?

She suggested some policies that could be dropped include privatising Channel 4 and changes to the Human Rights Act, adding "some aspects of the manifesto are now just dead in the water".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62072419

[Torquemada 1420]

Prescient stuff:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ty-britain

[Insane_Homer]

[fishfoodie]

I know wax works are always a bit shite, but they need to add about 15kg of lard,make the face much pastier, & change the suit to something from the Kim Jong Un collection

[tabascoboy]

[Tichtheid]

They all knew, they knew how bad he was and they themselves lied about it because it suited them at the time - they thought Johnson would win them another grubby four or five years at the trough.

They are not to be trusted.

[fishfoodie]

- Still living in Downing Street
- Still collecting PMs salary
- Still hosting Cabinet meetings
- Still taking PMQs
- Still Lying

- Still not fucking gone !

[Niegs]

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

[Tichtheid]

I agree with the thoughts above that Johnson will have convinced himself that this is something he can come back from, hence the staying put, but it isn't going to happen.


I wonder if Baker is the canary sent out to test the air by the ERG loons?

Paterson is gone, Rees Mogg is an entirely invented creature who will know he cannot be PM, but they will still want that direction of travel.

[Paddington Bear]

I agree with the thoughts above that Johnson will have convinced himself that this is something he can come back from, hence the staying put, but it isn't going to happen.


I wonder if Baker is the canary sent out to test the air by the ERG loons?

Paterson is gone, Rees Mogg is an entirely invented creature who will know he cannot be PM, but they will still want that direction of travel.

Baker believes that it was his work in parliament that got a referendum in the first place and he claims credit for the unofficial pact with Farage in 2019. So I suspect he believes he has a genuine chance of winning.

[tabascoboy]

Feeling our pain in this cost of living crisis?

[Lobby]

Feeling our pain in this cost of living crisis?

Never mind the rug and trolley, there's a single fucking lamp and lampshade on that invoice for £8,500.

And of course it will all have to be ripped out as soon as the new incumbent is installed, as the whole lot is unspeakably ghastly.

[PCPhil]

Fat blond, disheveled man rumoured to be seen boarding flight to Japan. quoted as saying, “this changes everything, or if not this then something else will.”

[sturginho]

Feeling our pain in this cost of living crisis?

James o'Brien just now: "Even Michael Fabricant doesn't spend £7000 on a rug!"

[tabascoboy]

And of course it will all have to be ripped out as soon as the new incumbent is installed, as the whole lot is unspeakably ghastly.

It's horrific

[ia801310]

Great news for the Tory party. They don't fear Starmer, they do fear Nandy, Streeting, Philipson

[sturginho]

sure, everything is looking rosy for them

[Slick]

Great news for the Tory party. They don't fear Starmer, they do fear Nandy, Streeting, Philipson

Have to admit to a secret little crush on Nandy

[JM2K6]

Great news for the Tory party. They don't fear Starmer, they do fear Nandy, Streeting, Philipson

Starmer gives them very little ammo, so this news is terrible for the Tories who banked so much on this. Must admit I was struggling to see how the right wingers would spin "no case to answer" as being good for the Tories / bad for Labour, so it's good to get that answered.