The 2 Trillion deficit thread.

[Line6 HXFX]

When labour left office we had a 800 billion deficit, brought about by the global financial crisis, after 10 years of Austerity, 135 thousand needless deaths, slashing public services to the bone, terrorising millions and sending millions more to food banks, we now have a 2 Trillion deficit,

Does the UK have the self serving contempt in them to go after the poor sick and unemployed again?

George Osborne has reappeared lately, with a cross look on his face, whenever he is pictured in the press, is he and pritti patels cross face enough to send millions of Brits to their doom again?

I mean they do really terrific Cross face.

[Bimbowomxn]

So, they spent too much money and they killed people with Austerity, brilliant stuff refry.

[Insane_Homer]

1.46 apples

[Line6 HXFX]

I hate to jump to assumptions here, but you know, of the three of us I'm guessing I am the only one who pays the bedroom tax, and had an actual heart attack (cardiac care for a month) because of the intense, real stress the Tory Government (who you cheer on) caused me over a 4 months period?
That I am the only one who has seen close friends die and commit suicide because they couldn't cope anymore?
I am the only one who has had to face quite revolting abuse, just because being a carer (for my brother an parents over the last 15 years) limited my job prospects.

That I am the only one who amongst you pair who has experienced really hateful Tory policies from a young age, that seem designed to completely destroy my life, and throw me on the scrap heap?

Born in the wrong time, to the wrong people in the wrong place.
Labelled the enemy within.


The 2 Trillion deficit is the legacy of your hate and self serving contempt Tory boys, not mine.

[Insane_Homer]

I hate to jump to assumptions here, but you know, of the three of us I'm guessing I am the only one who pays the bedroom tax, and had an actual heart attack (cardiac care for a month) because of the intense, real stress the Tory Government (who you cheer on) caused me over a 4 months period?
That I am the only one who has seen close friends die and commit suicide because they couldn't cope anymore?
I am the only one who has had to face quite revolting abuse, just because being a carer (for my brother an parents over the last 15 years) limited my job prospects.

That I am the only one who amongst you pair who has experienced really hateful Tory policies from a young age, that seem designed to completely destroy my life, and throw me on the scrap heap?

Born in the wrong time, to the wrong people in the wrong place.
Labelled the enemy within.


The 2 Trillion deficit is the legacy of your hate and self serving contempt Tory boys, not mine.

It seems you're not familiar with my postings . I'm the polar opposite of Bimbo.

I'm not, and have never been, a tory boy. I think the Tories are absolute scum. This debt mountain is a perfect example of their shyteness and it will be my children paying the price for this folly.

Now go and get a job you fcking useless scrounger and buy a TV License.

[Yeeb]

Wtf? You had a heart attack ?
God really dealt you a raw hand eh, what with the scabby face and everything Refry boyo.

It must really pain you that labour still can’t get in power hey
Tbf some of that 2 trillion is thanks to virus, can’t really blame Tories for that because they did put their hands in their pockets for once.

[notfatcat]

If only we'd had 30 years of labour government, Refry would be a tech billionaire now.

[Lemoentjie]

Pet peeve- people who don't know the difference between deficit and debt.

[paddyor]

I'm guessing the deficit is debt. I don't remember the Uk turning hard in favour of MMT.

[shereblue]

Sounds tough, Line 6 HXFX.

Yeeb's characterisation of Tories putting THEIR hands in THEIR pockets is probably well meant. All they have done though is borrow money on OUR behalf.

This clip shows the hapless Liz Truss claiming we've all been affected by austerity and then being unable to answer how she personally has been.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=in ... M%3DHDRSC3

[Caley_Red]

When labour left office we had a 800 billion deficit, brought about by the global financial crisis, after 10 years of Austerity, 135 thousand needless deaths, slashing public services to the bone, terrorising millions and sending millions more to food banks, we now have a 2 Trillion deficit,

Does the UK have the self serving contempt in them to go after the poor sick and unemployed again?

George Osborne has reappeared lately, with a cross look on his face, whenever he is pictured in the press, is he and pritti patels cross face enough to send millions of Brits to their doom again?

I mean they do really terrific Cross face.

The difference being that Gordon Brown ran huge structural deficits before the crisis, lifting debt by 10 percentage points once the constraint of sticking to legacy fiscal plans was abandoned. It is important to distinguish between the structural component and the cyclical; things would have been far better had we entered the crisis with a debt level more akin to Australia rather than c45%.

All irrelevant small potatoes these days: QE, no one takes rating agencies seriously on developed sovereign debt and COVID.

[C69]

Surely when this crisis is over, all those furloughed should have a levy to repay all the hans outs they have been given.
It's a no brainer.

[.OverThere]

Surely when this crisis is over, all those furloughed should have a levy to repay all the hans outs they have been given.
It's a no brainer.

You have just said,
"Surely all Public Servants should either be on a full contribution only pension, or pay back the DB pension from their estate after death".

[C69]

Surely when this crisis is over, all those furloughed should have a levy to repay all the hans outs they have been given.
It's a no brainer.

You have just said,
"Surely all Public Servants should either be on a full contribution only pension, or pay back the DB pension from their estate after death".

Not sure any public servants have been furloughed at all.
What fantasy land are you living in?

[La soule]

Sounds tough, Line 6 HXFX.

Yeeb's characterisation of Tories putting THEIR hands in THEIR pockets is probably well meant. All they have done though is borrow money on OUR behalf.

This clip shows the hapless Liz Truss claiming we've all been affected by austerity and then being unable to answer how she personally has been.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=in ... M%3DHDRSC3

That lady looks entirely capable of negotiating multiple complex trade deals on behalf of the uk population.

The UK are in safe hands.

[Un Pilier]

Surely when this crisis is over, all those furloughed should have a levy to repay all the hans outs they have been given.
It's a no brainer.

You have just said,
"Surely all Public Servants should either be on a full contribution only pension, or pay back the DB pension from their estate after death".

Not sure any public servants have been furloughed at all.
What fantasy land are you living in?

Nah, loads of nurses and ambulance staff have been furloughed, plus a fair few junior doctors. Coppers and firefighters too. Sodding refuse collectors have done f all. Bloke down the pub said and he’s never wrong.

[.OverThere]

Surely when this crisis is over, all those furloughed should have a levy to repay all the hans outs they have been given.
It's a no brainer.

You have just said,
"Surely all Public Servants should either be on a full contribution only pension, or pay back the DB pension from their estate after death".

Not sure any public servants have been furloughed at all.
What fantasy land are you living in?

Nothing to do with furlough. The magic money tree is what it is.
So why exactly do you think should you keep your helicopter money, but suggest I should repay?

My furlough money finishes on 31/10, and after that I will have no income until tourists return in volume, maybe next year, maybe not.
You will receive yours from the day you are 67 till the day you die.

[Line6 HXFX]

I'm guessing that if the Universal Credit system (created by the tories) wasn't a steaming festering punishment pit of spite, run by aggressively optimist harridans of hate,, and mental torturers, designed to give claimants colon cancer and heart attacks, and leave them penniless and in the streets begging for help from local foodbanks, and then finally, gratefully, into the arms of suicides sweet embrace, then there would have been absolutely no need to expensively furlough workers, and they could have all claimed that for a bit, like proper honest to God people do.
Would have worked out a lot cheaper for the country too.

But because the Universal Credit system was designed by psychopaths and boogie eating sociopaths, then we had to throw massive amounts of cash, directly into peoples pockets, without question, and fuck the consequences and the deficit and the utter hypocrisy of it all.
When the tories shut down south Wales, because they needed lots and lots of poor people, as the pound was a bit weak, and it needed cheering up, we didn't get furloughed, we got fucked.
Fucked over twice a week and six times on Sunday.
So we can add hundreds of billions to its already astronomical, bloated 15.8 billion roll out cost of UC.
It would have been quite amusing though, if the six million people who cheated the furlough scheme, got punished for Benefits fraud, if it had actually been the Universal Credit system they were cheating.

[C69]

You have just said,
"Surely all Public Servants should either be on a full contribution only pension, or pay back the DB pension from their estate after death".

Not sure any public servants have been furloughed at all.
What fantasy land are you living in?

Nothing to do with furlough. The magic money tree is what it is.
So why exactly do you think should you keep your helicopter money, but suggest I should repay?

My furlough money finishes on 31/10, and after that I will have no income until tourists return in volume, maybe next year, maybe not.
You will receive yours from the day you are 67 till the day you die.

You are making big assumptions stating I will recieve my pension at 67.
I work for my wages not sit on my furloughed arse.

[Un Pilier]

K’in ell.

[.OverThere]

Not sure any public servants have been furloughed at all.
What fantasy land are you living in?

Nothing to do with furlough. The magic money tree is what it is.
So why exactly do you think should you keep your helicopter money, but suggest I should repay?

My furlough money finishes on 31/10, and after that I will have no income until tourists return in volume, maybe next year, maybe not.
You will receive yours from the day you are 67 till the day you die.

You are making big assumptions stating I will recieve my pension at 67.
I work for my wages not sit on my furloughed arse.

You haven't answered the question. Why should you receive free money when you retire?
I have paid National Insurance for many years. It is my turn to fall back on the insurance I paid.
Whats your excuse?

[Sandstorm]

K’in ell.

Just walk away.

[ScarfaceClaw]

designed to give claimants colon cancer and heart attacks,

What are your thoughts on 5G and nano tech chips in injections?

[eldanielfire]

Nothing to do with furlough. The magic money tree is what it is.
So why exactly do you think should you keep your helicopter money, but suggest I should repay?

My furlough money finishes on 31/10, and after that I will have no income until tourists return in volume, maybe next year, maybe not.
You will receive yours from the day you are 67 till the day you die.

You are making big assumptions stating I will recieve my pension at 67.
I work for my wages not sit on my furloughed arse.

You haven't answered the question. Why should you receive free money when you retire?
I have paid National Insurance for many years. It is my turn to fall back on the insurance I paid.
Whats your excuse?

C69 works in a hospital so almost certainly has paid into a pension, therefore he has earned that pension and is just taking what is rightfully his.

[C69]

Nothing to do with furlough. The magic money tree is what it is.
So why exactly do you think should you keep your helicopter money, but suggest I should repay?

My furlough money finishes on 31/10, and after that I will have no income until tourists return in volume, maybe next year, maybe not.
You will receive yours from the day you are 67 till the day you die.

You are making big assumptions stating I will recieve my pension at 67.
I work for my wages not sit on my furloughed arse.

You haven't answered the question. Why should you receive free money when you retire?
I have paid National Insurance for many years. It is my turn to fall back on the insurance I paid.
Whats your excuse?

What excuse?

[Bimbowomxn]

C69 works in a hospital so almost certainly has paid into a pension, therefore he has earned that pension and is just taking what is rightfully his.

I’ll wager the tax payer is funding his pension.

[New guy]

I'm guessing the deficit is debt. I don't remember the Uk turning hard in favour of MMT.

The UK defecit is 60 billion.

2 trillion defecit would be somewhat concerning.

[Line6 HXFX]

I make no excuses, I am the genuine voice of the de-industrialised cast aside millions, left to rot in Jobless enclavia with no hope and even less prospects, one of the punished terrorised poor, who will again be made to pay for Tory folly and whim.

Will it be another heart attack, stroke this time, complete nervous breakdown?
2 trillion is a hell of a lot of finger jabbing and hatred, and "policy" coming right my way.

We are lost as a society. There are points in history when things can change, there are also events that we can never come back from.
Are cemented..
Where we accept, this is us now.
When that little kid washed up in the Mediterranean, we voiced our horror and did nothing. Still carried on ranting about immigrants.
Cruelty just gradually became the new normal.
When they put kids in cages, when we rolled out food banks, when we forced people to wait a year to get PIP, when we let some guy with social phobia starve to death, when we turned on the most vulnerable, when we heard about 135 thousand needless deaths and just ignored it, when we see horror story after horror story and still, still voted Tory.
We are not in this situation by accident, but by ever newer norms of cruelty.
The finger jabbing middle classes in the UK are knee deep in blood, and just like rabid wild dogs, crave more.

[Bimbowomxn]

I'm guessing the deficit is debt. I don't remember the Uk turning hard in favour of MMT.

The UK defecit is 60 billion.

2 trillion defecit would be somewhat concerning.

It’s been 60 billion a month recently. We’re fucked.

[New guy]

On the plus side the Defecit is lower than it was a decade ago. Wahay

[New guy]

I'm guessing the deficit is debt. I don't remember the Uk turning hard in favour of MMT.

The UK defecit is 60 billion.

2 trillion defecit would be somewhat concerning.

It’s been 60 billion a month recently. We’re fucked.

Q3 is looking like record breaking economic growth, according to the FT.

Back on track just in time for no deal Brexit.

[Line6 HXFX]

Tony Benn once said that how they treat immigrants and asylum seekers is exactly how they would treat you if given the chance.

Sorry this is extremely harrowing and upsetting, if it was ten years ago and this cruelty stuff wasn't completely fucking normalised.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 87486.html

A destitute asylum seeker was found lying dead next to her malnourished baby son in Glasgow, according to a charity.

Mercy Baguma, from Uganda, was found dead in her flat in the city’s Govan area on Saturday with the child crying beside her, Positive Action in Housing (PAIH) said. Authorities confirmed they had discovered the body of a 34-year-old woman.

In a statement, the charity said Baguma had been living in “extreme poverty” after losing her job, following the expiration of her leave to remain in the UK. After she began the process of claiming asylum she was forced to rely on friends and charities to obtain food, it said.
Baguma contacted PAIH on 11 August to ask for help. Though asylum seekers are entitled to a small weekly stipend (£37.75 for each person in a household), she told charity workers that she had not yet received any money.

The last time anyone heard from her was on 18 August.

Police Scotland said Baguma’s body was found at about 11.30am on Saturday and that her death was being treated as “unexplained, but not suspicious”. The procurator fiscal’s office also confirmed it was investigating.

Her son, found “weakened with starvation”, was taken to hospital and has since been released into the care of his father, who lives elsewhere in Glasgow, according to PAIH.

PAIH’s director, Robina Qureshi, said in a statement: “Had she lived she would have been a high priority for a crisis payment from our emergency relief fund.

“The question remains, why are mothers and babies being left to go hungry in this city, and why is it being left to charities and volunteers to pick up the pieces?

“Home Office asylum policy has created unimaginable hardship for refugees and migrant households in this city. It is a matter of when – not if – the next tragedy occurs and this reinforces our resolve for a public inquiry.”

Paul Sweeney, the Labour MP for Glasgow North East, said Baguma’s case reflected the “brutal and tragic consequences of the asylum system”.

This isn't a one off, we sanctioned millions of people who got their benefits stopped completely and put them all in this situation and in this amount of danger and peril.

[MungoMan]

Why don't you and various other annoying fucks from the NW European Archipeligo start a Bohoohoo in re the UK & I thread?

That, or stick your head up a dead bear's bum.

[Line6 HXFX]

Some of the money being literally thrown away for nothing recently: in just the last two months or so.
£100 million promoting 'no deal' Brexit
£150 million dodgy masks from a Tory adviser and off-shore investment fund
£500 million - assorted scams and non-effective 'no bid' contracts
£40 million - non existent ferries
£11 million - non functioning App from mate of Cummings
£700 million - Lorry parks
£300 million - help for N.Ireland to sort out self-made border issues
£500 million - vouchers for meals for people who can already afford to eat out Nothing for poor Mercy and her kid of course.

And yet I ( an unpaid carer for 10 years, who, along with my unpaid Carer brothers and sisters, scraping by on a pittance, and with a jolly gaite and nay a word of complaint, whilst saving the NHS a fortune and allowing it to actually function and not collapse and be overwhelmed completely) am the bad guy in the picture, and deserving of every indignity and disgrace.

Sat here litterally terrified about what is coming down the pipe, as soon as Boris leaves office (running away from his stupid Brexit as fast as possible) and they all go nasty and turn towards the proper psychos, like Iain Duncan Smith and Domonic Raab and Liz Truss and Pritti Patel to stop us having an easy ride "chum".

[Insane_Homer]

If only they could give more money to you so you could spend all day on the internet telling people you've had a heart attack and life's unfair and it's someone else's fault.

[Sandstorm]

Imagine how much fun the Unpaid Carer Bored is.

[spike]

Some of the money being literally thrown away for nothing recently: in just the last two months or so.
£100 million promoting 'no deal' Brexit
£150 million dodgy masks from a Tory adviser and off-shore investment fund
£500 million - assorted scams and non-effective 'no bid' contracts
£40 million - non existent ferries
£11 million - non functioning App from mate of Cummings
£700 million - Lorry parks
£300 million - help for N.Ireland to sort out self-made border issues
£500 million - vouchers for meals for people who can already afford to eat out Nothing for poor Mercy and her kid of course.

And yet I ( an unpaid carer for 10 years, who, along with my unpaid Carer brothers and sisters, scraping by on a pittance, and with a jolly gaite and nay a word of complaint, whilst saving the NHS a fortune and allowing it to actually function and not collapse and be overwhelmed completely) am the bad guy in the picture, and deserving of every indignity and disgrace.

Sat here litterally terrified about what is coming down the pipe, as soon as Boris leaves office (running away from his stupid Brexit as fast as possible) and they all go nasty and turn towards the proper psychos, like Iain Duncan Smith and Domonic Raab and Liz Truss and Pritti Patel to stop us having an easy ride "chum".

Could be worse, Labour could be in charge

[Carter's Choice]

Sad to see the Refry multi get another run. It wasn't clever before and it isn't clever now. It's always been a way for posters to get stuck into the poor, the Welsh and the Labour Party. Just free kicks to get stuck into these groups thread after thread.

I thought it was common knowledge that Refry was a Yeeb multi? Yeeb, grow up.

[TB63]

It's not Yeeb.

[Carter's Choice]

It's not Yeeb.

I'm not convinced. Yeeb used to follow Refry around like a bad smell, and Refry's threads would provide cover for Yeeb to make fun of poor people year in, year out.

Either way, would you at least agree that this is a clearly fake login that has always been used solely to troll the poor, the Welsh and the Labour Party?