Stop voting for fucking Tories

[tabascoboy]

So, Truss states "I want to abolish the top down Whitehall inspired Stalinist housing targets - that’s the wrong way to generate economic growth."

Every time the vacuous numpty opens her mouth she displays a level of stupidity that should preclude her from politics let alone the leadership

She is right though, Britain's economic model is ever increasing house prices and to stop that would be to alienate Tory voters. A rare moment of clarity if anything.

Ah, 3D thinking...

[_Os_]

I'd say he went down okay with Tory voters



But yeah, won't get past the MP/Member filter. Which is fine by me.

The problem is The Tory membership is nothing like the average Tory voter. As you can see in that poll, Tory voters aren't much different from Labour voters and swing voters, that's the nature of a system with two supposedly broad church dominant parties.

The Tory party and its members are quite different. The Tories are now a revolutionary party with some extremist factions, all that's frustrating them and holding them back is how incompetent and unrealistic they are. On every issue their membership is far to the right of their voters, and their MPs even further right than their members. They're much more dislocated from their voters than any other party. They believe in unicorns so much that they're in fucking Narnia.

It's impossible to know how that went down with Tory members and MPs. Truss said she will cut taxes by increasing debt and Sunak refused to promise tax cuts, so maybe that boosts Truss. The Tories have been infiltrated by UKIP and Britain First supporters, it's a swivel eyed loony electorate capable of anything, as the bizarre candidate list shows.

We're now starting to see how it went down with Tory members. Truss is polling ahead of Mordaunt and Sunak in head to head votes, on Conservative Home.
https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/17 ... h-of-them/

Should party members even be voting in a PM? It would be more democratic for the MPs to do it alone, they're the actual elected representatives who are accountable to the electorate. There's a real chance a tiny fraction of the UK electorate will pick the worst candidate if they get the chance.

[sefton]

Rishi intro sent the smugometer off the scale.

[GogLais]

I hope somebody asks what’s your plan for social care if you’re scrapping the NI increase? Johnson’s so-called oven-ready plan.

[sefton]

Kemi just keeps saying she’ll tell people the truth about the difficult choices but she doesn’t appear to have any opinion those difficult choices.

[GogLais]

As Chief Secretary to the Treasury, would LT really have been negotiating with the unions?

[sefton]

Truss is not as wooden as Friday.

[sefton]

Kemi is lying through her back teeth about net zero.

[Hal Jordan]

Kemi is lying through her back teeth about net zero.

Never mind the climate emergency, feel the fossil fuel donations hitting your bank account.

[Ovals]

PM's odds have lengthened a bit over the last few days - now neck and neck with Rishi with Truss, despite her awful performances in interviews and debates, actually making up some ground. She's also the least popular with the Voters.

Still looks like TH will be the next to get voted off even though he's the most popular with the voters.

The candidates have certainlly been very aggressive towards each other - If Rishi or Truss wins, it's hard to see them appointing the other to a cabinet post.

[petej]

Kemi just keeps saying she’ll tell people the truth about the difficult choices but she doesn’t appear to have any opinion those difficult choices.

Don't think the public will accept hard truths from people who have mainly served only themselves and won't talk about truths surrounding brexit. Same rubbish pretending they haven't been in power for the last decade.

[tabascoboy]

ITV leadership debate was 'little short of a disaster for the Tory party'

That was quite a debate.
I’ve never seen senior Tory ministers and MPs lay into each other so publicly and so openly, so much blue-on-blue arguing.
Mr Sunak accused Ms Truss and Ms Mordaunt of being socialists - not a compliment in the Tory lexicon - for being reckless with the public finances.
Ms Truss attacked Mr Sunak for raising taxes to record levels.
Ms Badenoch called for unity while attacking more or less everyone for everything.
Ms Mordaunt seethed at what she saw as the cheap personal attacks she’s faced in recent days, especially over the trans debate and the definition of being a woman.
And Tom Tugendhat attacked everyone else for being tainted as current or recent members of Boris Johnson’s government.

Given that every candidate said they wouldn’t have Mr Johnson in their cabinet, maybe Ms Tugendhat had a point.
But, truthfully, Mr Tugendhat looked like the trailing candidate the first two rounds of the leadership contest have showed him to be.
He’s performed eloquently in the contest. But tonight he looked deflated - and presumably he will be ejected from the contest in tomorrow’s heat.
Mr Sunak looked the leader in the contest he has been so far, since the lion’s share of the candidates’ criticisms were directed at him, and he replied - or deflected - with some style.
I would imagine he’ll consolidate his lead tomorrow.
I simply can’t judge how the Brexiter right of the Tory party will rate the relative performances of Ms Mordaunt, Ms Truss and Ms Badenoch.

They all had good and bad moments - though the candidate most forensic in challenging Mr Sunak was Ms Badenoch.
If I am right that Mr Sunak is now more-or-less guaranteed to be in the final two - the duo from whom Tory members choose our next PM - then the decision for the anyone-but-Rishi brigade is who’s best placed to stop him.
And I am going to break the habit of a lifetime by saying I am not sure who Tory MPs will ultimately say that is.
What I do know is this debate - and this contest - is little short of a disaster for the Tory party, because the Labour Party will record and repeat every single attack made by these candidates on each other and on the actions of their government.
One of them will win the contest and become the PM. But the Tory party looks set to lose.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-07-17/itv ... tory-party

[Ovals]

ITV leadership debate was 'little short of a disaster for the Tory party'

That was quite a debate.
I’ve never seen senior Tory ministers and MPs lay into each other so publicly and so openly, so much blue-on-blue arguing.
Mr Sunak accused Ms Truss and Ms Mordaunt of being socialists - not a compliment in the Tory lexicon - for being reckless with the public finances.
Ms Truss attacked Mr Sunak for raising taxes to record levels.
Ms Badenoch called for unity while attacking more or less everyone for everything.
Ms Mordaunt seethed at what she saw as the cheap personal attacks she’s faced in recent days, especially over the trans debate and the definition of being a woman.
And Tom Tugendhat attacked everyone else for being tainted as current or recent members of Boris Johnson’s government.

Given that every candidate said they wouldn’t have Mr Johnson in their cabinet, maybe Ms Tugendhat had a point.
But, truthfully, Mr Tugendhat looked like the trailing candidate the first two rounds of the leadership contest have showed him to be.
He’s performed eloquently in the contest. But tonight he looked deflated - and presumably he will be ejected from the contest in tomorrow’s heat.
Mr Sunak looked the leader in the contest he has been so far, since the lion’s share of the candidates’ criticisms were directed at him, and he replied - or deflected - with some style.
I would imagine he’ll consolidate his lead tomorrow.
I simply can’t judge how the Brexiter right of the Tory party will rate the relative performances of Ms Mordaunt, Ms Truss and Ms Badenoch.

They all had good and bad moments - though the candidate most forensic in challenging Mr Sunak was Ms Badenoch.
If I am right that Mr Sunak is now more-or-less guaranteed to be in the final two - the duo from whom Tory members choose our next PM - then the decision for the anyone-but-Rishi brigade is who’s best placed to stop him.
And I am going to break the habit of a lifetime by saying I am not sure who Tory MPs will ultimately say that is.
What I do know is this debate - and this contest - is little short of a disaster for the Tory party, because the Labour Party will record and repeat every single attack made by these candidates on each other and on the actions of their government.
One of them will win the contest and become the PM. But the Tory party looks set to lose.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-07-17/itv ... tory-party

Nice - wonder how the losing candidates will lie their way out of the attacks on the winner - one or more of them are sure to be in senior Government posts - and some, after getting knocked out, are likely to then come out in support of one of the others that they've been attacking ! All good stuff.

[Tichtheid]

It's graduation season and yes Johnson has slipped into irrelevancy due to him being punted, but he has changed political life in the UK and until we get back to a point where there is some semblance of public service over self aggrandisement and enrichment, then he is always going to be worth kicking.

He is a piece of shite, the worst prime minister for a long time and by a long way

[Line6 HXFX]

Last century the rich made out that wealth will trickle down, this idea sustained conservatism fir decades...then when even David Cameron called that bollocks, they had to find something else.
What they went with was complete, out and out class war on the poor sick and unemployed.
They made the most vulnerable and weakest in society their targets and got everyone to join in.
They are that evil.
They reqlise that there is not a single reason why we should not tax the wealthiest until they all just fuck off.
Most avoid tax anyway but at least then they don't get to drip poison into the publics ear and divide us.
They would rather the UK completely crashed and burned than to pay a fair share of taxes.
There is no other reason for them to exist. They are funded by Billionaires to keep their cash out of our pockets, and will do anything to prevent this, up to and including the destruction of the UK.
Pure selfishness, pure evil in political form.
Lower than vermin.
This is what we are up against.

[C69]

The Tories are tearing themselves apart on TV.
Its quite astounding. A kinder gentler politics?
These wounds and divisions and toxic briefings are going to hurt

[Mahoney]

Nice - wonder how the losing candidates will lie their way out of the attacks on the winner - one or more of them are sure to be in senior Government posts - and some, after getting knocked out, are likely to then come out in support of one of the others that they've been attacking ! All good stuff.

Early in the race it seemed to be standard practice for supporters to tweet that "only X can unite the party", which struck me as a curious choice of words given the almost certainty that they would shortly be tweeting "now that the contest is over the party must unite behind Y".

[SaintK]

Boooooooooooooooo!! Keep it going please

Tory MPs and activists will have watched in horror as several of the candidates flung buckets of manure over each other. Or tore into the record of the Government in which all of them have served. Or sought to distance themselves from policies which they have supported, or are committed to support.

[dpedin]

It's graduation season and yes Johnson has slipped into irrelevancy due to him being punted, but he has changed political life in the UK and until we get back to a point where there is some semblance of public service over self aggrandisement and enrichment, then he is always going to be worth kicking.

He is a piece of shite, the worst prime minister for a long time and by a long way

Can't disagree with any of the above. I hope against hope this is a turning point but then again c30% of voters still vote conservative and many thought the Blonde Bumblecunt was 'fun', a 'good guy' and 'trying his best'. There is a real issue in England, and I do mean just England, with deference to the 'lord of the manor' types and tugging of the forelock' to your betters, an acceptance or even expectation that the titled, the rich and the powerful are better than the working man, know best and will 'look after us' - how else do the likes of the Blonde Bumblecunt, Peter Bone and JRM get elected? It is utterly insane and this seems to make them blind to the actuality of the situation we are in and what this current gov inflict upon them, it is almost like they have a lack of confidence in being able to lead and manage themselves and are happy to leave it to the posh boys.

[fishfoodie]

Boooooooooooooooo!! Keep it going please

Tory MPs and activists will have watched in horror as several of the candidates flung buckets of manure over each other. Or tore into the record of the Government in which all of them have served. Or sought to distance themselves from policies which they have supported, or are committed to support.

So it turns out that the population would prefer to watch Tories when they tell the truth, but this isn't too good for the Party, so now they'll just resume normal service, & lie whenever the cameras are on, or just duck the cameras entirely.

[Biffer]

It's graduation season and yes Johnson has slipped into irrelevancy due to him being punted, but he has changed political life in the UK and until we get back to a point where there is some semblance of public service over self aggrandisement and enrichment, then he is always going to be worth kicking.

He is a piece of shite, the worst prime minister for a long time and by a long way

Can't disagree with any of the above. I hope against hope this is a turning point but then again c30% of voters still vote conservative and many thought the Blonde Bumblecunt was 'fun', a 'good guy' and 'trying his best'. There is a real issue in England, and I do mean just England, with deference to the 'lord of the manor' types and tugging of the forelock' to your betters, an acceptance or even expectation that the titled, the rich and the powerful are better than the working man, know best and will 'look after us' - how else do the likes of the Blonde Bumblecunt, Peter Bone and JRM get elected? It is utterly insane and this seems to make them blind to the actuality of the situation we are in and what this current gov inflict upon them, it is almost like they have a lack of confidence in being able to lead and manage themselves and are happy to leave it to the posh boys.

This, over and over again. This inherent unconscious adherence to the class system, know your place, our masters and betters, etc in England is just such a poison.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Thomas does have something of a point, but it's also a serial philanderer berating a serial philanderer whilst also saying violence is wrong while calling for another to be bullwhipped. There are probably better means to deliver the message, but it does in part illustrate how widespread the anger is

[tabascoboy]

[Hal Jordan]

Cancel culture at its worst!

[C69]

Running Frit

[SaintK]

Should imagine that this is a resigning matter................eventually!

A Conservative police and crime commissioner who pledged to crack down on speeding has been banned from driving for six months after being caught breaking the speed limit five times within a 12-week period.

Caroline Henry, the PCC for Nottinghamshire, was sentenced at Nottingham magistrates court on Monday after previously admitting the offences.

She was elected in May 2021 after a campaign in which she used the slogan “make Notts safe” and promised to “reduce crime with action, not words”.

The 52-year-old, who is the wife of the Broxtowe MP, Darren Henry, was caught speeding in a blue Mercedes and a silver Lexus with a personalised number plate in 30mph zones at four locations in Nottingham in March, May and June last year.

[Ovals]

PM's star appears to have dimmed considerably over the last few days - courtesy of a concerted campaign against her. Sunak is now the favourite @ evens, with the Bookies and Truss, unbelievably, is now 2nd favourite @ 2/1. PM has slipped out to 3 or 4 to 1.

How on earth can Truss be seriously considered as a potential PM - but it looks like she'll be in the final two - God help us.

[Lobby]

PM's star appears to have dimmed considerably over the last few days - courtesy of a concerted campaign against her. Sunak is now the favourite @ evens, with the Bookies and Truss, unbelievably, is now 2nd favourite @ 2/1. PM has slipped out to 3 or 4 to 1.

How on earth can Truss be seriously considered as a potential PM - but it looks like she'll be in the final two - God help us.

It’s because the Brexit ultras and others on the right of the party want one of their own as leader. Conservative Home and Guido Fawkes have been pushing positive lines about her furiously since the contest began, while also promoting every negative story about PM they can find.

Hilariously, after her dismal showing in the C4 debate, Guido’s report on the debate claimed she had done well, and showed herself to be ‘the only adult in the room’, whereas everyone to the left of Genghis Khan thought she had demonstrated her almost total idiocy.

Still, a Truss-led Tory Party would surely be completely unelectable, so every cloud and all that.

[I like neeps]

PM's star appears to have dimmed considerably over the last few days - courtesy of a concerted campaign against her. Sunak is now the favourite @ evens, with the Bookies and Truss, unbelievably, is now 2nd favourite @ 2/1. PM has slipped out to 3 or 4 to 1.

How on earth can Truss be seriously considered as a potential PM - but it looks like she'll be in the final two - God help us.

It’s because the Brexit ultras and others on the right of the party want one of their own as leader. Conservative Home and Guido Fawkes have been pushing positive lines about her furiously since the contest began, while also promoting every negative story about PM they can find.

Hilariously, after her dismal showing in the C4 debate, Guido’s report on the debate claimed she had done well, and showed herself to be ‘the only adult in the room’, whereas everyone to the left of Genghis Khan thought she had demonstrated her almost total idiocy.

Still, a Truss-led Tory Party would surely be completely unelectable, so every cloud and all that.

The Mail are all in on Truss too. It's because she's a complete empty vessel who will do anything for power. Including giving those who fund the mail, conservative home and Guido every single thing they want like Johnson did.

[Ovals]

PM's star appears to have dimmed considerably over the last few days - courtesy of a concerted campaign against her. Sunak is now the favourite @ evens, with the Bookies and Truss, unbelievably, is now 2nd favourite @ 2/1. PM has slipped out to 3 or 4 to 1.

How on earth can Truss be seriously considered as a potential PM - but it looks like she'll be in the final two - God help us.

It’s because the Brexit ultras and others on the right of the party want one of their own as leader. Conservative Home and Guido Fawkes have been pushing positive lines about her furiously since the contest began, while also promoting every negative story about PM they can find.

Hilariously, after her dismal showing in the C4 debate, Guido’s report on the debate claimed she had done well, and showed herself to be ‘the only adult in the room’, whereas everyone to the left of Genghis Khan thought she had demonstrated her almost total idiocy.

Still, a Truss-led Tory Party would surely be completely unelectable, so every cloud and all that.

Yep - but we'd still have her as PM for 2 years +. And, given an electorate that voted for Bojo in droves, I'm not entirely convinced they will come to their senses and kick this lot out when they get the chance - especially with the riight wing media we have.

[Biffer]

PM's star appears to have dimmed considerably over the last few days - courtesy of a concerted campaign against her. Sunak is now the favourite @ evens, with the Bookies and Truss, unbelievably, is now 2nd favourite @ 2/1. PM has slipped out to 3 or 4 to 1.

How on earth can Truss be seriously considered as a potential PM - but it looks like she'll be in the final two - God help us.

It’s because the Brexit ultras and others on the right of the party want one of their own as leader. Conservative Home and Guido Fawkes have been pushing positive lines about her furiously since the contest began, while also promoting every negative story about PM they can find.

Hilariously, after her dismal showing in the C4 debate, Guido’s report on the debate claimed she had done well, and showed herself to be ‘the only adult in the room’, whereas everyone to the left of Genghis Khan thought she had demonstrated her almost total idiocy.

Still, a Truss-led Tory Party would surely be completely unelectable, so every cloud and all that.

Yep - but we'd still have her as PM for 2 years +. And, given an electorate that voted for Bojo in droves, I'm not entirely convinced they will come to their senses and kick this lot out when they get the chance - especially with the riight wing media we have.

I think a Truss government would collapse within the year.

[petej]

PM's star appears to have dimmed considerably over the last few days - courtesy of a concerted campaign against her. Sunak is now the favourite @ evens, with the Bookies and Truss, unbelievably, is now 2nd favourite @ 2/1. PM has slipped out to 3 or 4 to 1.

How on earth can Truss be seriously considered as a potential PM - but it looks like she'll be in the final two - God help us.

It’s because the Brexit ultras and others on the right of the party want one of their own as leader. Conservative Home and Guido Fawkes have been pushing positive lines about her furiously since the contest began, while also promoting every negative story about PM they can find.

Hilariously, after her dismal showing in the C4 debate, Guido’s report on the debate claimed she had done well, and showed herself to be ‘the only adult in the room’, whereas everyone to the left of Genghis Khan thought she had demonstrated her almost total idiocy.

Still, a Truss-led Tory Party would surely be completely unelectable, so every cloud and all that.

Yep - but we'd still have her as PM for 2 years +. And, given an electorate that voted for Bojo in droves, I'm not entirely convinced they will come to their senses and kick this lot out when they get the chance - especially with the riight wing media we have.

Truss has none of Johnson's salesman talent and less media connections. The continue along the current path will solve no issues the country has. Can't really see her not bombing like May but with a more competent opponent than corbyn.

[fishfoodie]

I think we can rule out any debates between the Party leaders, if Dizzy Lizzy becomes Leader

[tabascoboy]

TT has told the 1922 Committee he won't drop out, bet they they were very keen to try and get him to withdraw and to try and steer those votes elsewhere. Not that he's likely get many but enough to swing the outcome and disadvantage their choice of anti-Rishi runner

[Ovals]

TT has told the 1922 Committee he won't drop out, bet they they were very keen to try and get him to withdraw and to try and steer those votes elsewhere. Not that he's likely get many but enough to swing the outcome and disadvantage their choice of anti-Rishi runner

Would his supporters tend to gravitate to Dizzy - I'd have thought they'd be more Sunak or PM - the latter being less a prior BoJo disciple than the others ! Hard to tell what is in their minds really - their must be quite a few who'd be aghast at the prospect of Diizzy Lizzy getting the job.

[Ovals]

It’s because the Brexit ultras and others on the right of the party want one of their own as leader. Conservative Home and Guido Fawkes have been pushing positive lines about her furiously since the contest began, while also promoting every negative story about PM they can find.

Hilariously, after her dismal showing in the C4 debate, Guido’s report on the debate claimed she had done well, and showed herself to be ‘the only adult in the room’, whereas everyone to the left of Genghis Khan thought she had demonstrated her almost total idiocy.

Still, a Truss-led Tory Party would surely be completely unelectable, so every cloud and all that.

Yep - but we'd still have her as PM for 2 years +. And, given an electorate that voted for Bojo in droves, I'm not entirely convinced they will come to their senses and kick this lot out when they get the chance - especially with the riight wing media we have.

Truss has none of Johnson's salesman talent and less media connections. The continue along the current path will solve no issues the country has. Can't really see her not bombing like May but with a more competent opponent than corbyn.

Yes - that's the common sense logic - but how often does the electorate display such common sense in the face of concerted right wing scare mongering - Brexit is a good example,

[Hal Jordan]

Suddenly the candidates seem to noticed climate change for some reason and are suggesting they might do something about it. I have no doubt that's blue hydrogen and carbon capture (which are brilliant wheezes to keep funneling money to fossil fuel companies whilst making things worse), but at least they have joined the hippies.

[Insane_Homer]

[petej]

Missed 3 cobr meetings for the heatwave.

[SaintK]

A lying piece of shit until the end