Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Mahoney]

Power of Four coming right up.

[Hugo]

I just can't take these people seriously.

[I like neeps]

Ukrainians dropping strong hints that they prefer Truss to Sunak.

Considering Johnson and Truss have been asking for these kind words it's a surprise Sunak doesn't call up his equivalent in Ukraine and remind him who bankrolled our support.

[C69]

Plain speaking Yorkshire woman Liz ticks all the boxes.

There must be a mountain of dirt on her

[tabascoboy]

[SaintK]

Johnson was at his most shouty delusional at PMQ's
He seems to think he's left some sort of legacy other than being a crooked, bullshitting liar

[SaintK]

Truss is now the bookies favourite

Some of her greatest hits!

[Slick]

My sister, a probation officer, was at a conference this morning with Raab who was talking through his most recent incredibly unpopular changes to probation. Having visited his large family 4 bedroom house in Gerrards Cross on numerous occasions she was obviously a little surprised to hear about his "impoverished" and "disadvantaged" upbringing. As she does, shes gone fucking mental and making an absolute nuisance of herself.

[JM2K6]

My sister, a probation officer, was at a conference this morning with Raab who was talking through his most recent incredibly unpopular changes to probation. Having visited his large family 4 bedroom house in Gerrards Cross on numerous occasions she was obviously a little surprised to hear about his "impoverished" and "disadvantaged" upbringing. As she does, shes gone fucking mental and making an absolute nuisance of herself.

Sounds like a reaction to Badenoch et al trying to position themselves as poor kids done good

[fishfoodie]

My sister, a probation officer, was at a conference this morning with Raab who was talking through his most recent incredibly unpopular changes to probation. Having visited his large family 4 bedroom house in Gerrards Cross on numerous occasions she was obviously a little surprised to hear about his "impoverished" and "disadvantaged" upbringing. As she does, shes gone fucking mental and making an absolute nuisance of herself.

Sounds like a reaction to Badenoch et al trying to position themselves as poor kids done good

We understand, we feel your pain, we're just like you

Yet no-one knows how many of the former Cabinet actually pay tax in the UK .... if any !

[petej]

My sister, a probation officer, was at a conference this morning with Raab who was talking through his most recent incredibly unpopular changes to probation. Having visited his large family 4 bedroom house in Gerrards Cross on numerous occasions she was obviously a little surprised to hear about his "impoverished" and "disadvantaged" upbringing. As she does, shes gone fucking mental and making an absolute nuisance of herself.

Sounds like a reaction to Badenoch et al trying to position themselves as poor kids done good

Truss has been not nice about her school. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -education

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Ukrainians dropping strong hints that they prefer Truss to Sunak.

Considering Johnson and Truss have been asking for these kind words it's a surprise Sunak doesn't call up his equivalent in Ukraine and remind him who bankrolled our support.

Philip Hammond? Gordon Brown?

The stocks we've been supplying to are mostly years and years old, and of course nothing we've been supplied have we especially thought about replacing, either for ourselves or to be able to continue to supply Ukraine. Worse, because defence contractors are struggling with the global supply chain issues there's a big lag even if the next PM very quickly places orders in a few months time.

Just more amateur hour rubbish from BoJo the sad clown, aided and abetted in this by Truss, Sunak and Wallace

[petej]

Ukrainians dropping strong hints that they prefer Truss to Sunak.

Considering Johnson and Truss have been asking for these kind words it's a surprise Sunak doesn't call up his equivalent in Ukraine and remind him who bankrolled our support.

Philip Hammond? Gordon Brown?

The stocks we've been supplying to are mostly years and years old, and of course nothing we've been supplied have we especially thought about replacing, either for ourselves or to be able to continue to supply Ukraine. Worse, because defence contractors are struggling with the global supply chain issues there's a big lag even if the next PM very quickly places orders in a few months time.

Just more amateur hour rubbish from BoJo the sad clown, aided and abetted in this by Truss, Sunak and Wallace

An awful lot of our defence budget has gone on aircraft carriers, submarines and planes which isn't surprising as an island but not hugely useful for Ukraine.

JIT supply chains and down scaling of internal manufacturing capabilities within companies needs to be questioned.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Considering Johnson and Truss have been asking for these kind words it's a surprise Sunak doesn't call up his equivalent in Ukraine and remind him who bankrolled our support.

Philip Hammond? Gordon Brown?

The stocks we've been supplying to are mostly years and years old, and of course nothing we've been supplied have we especially thought about replacing, either for ourselves or to be able to continue to supply Ukraine. Worse, because defence contractors are struggling with the global supply chain issues there's a big lag even if the next PM very quickly places orders in a few months time.

Just more amateur hour rubbish from BoJo the sad clown, aided and abetted in this by Truss, Sunak and Wallace

An awful lot of our defence budget has gone on aircraft carriers, submarines and planes which isn't surprising as an island but not hugely useful for Ukraine.

JIT supply chains and down scaling of internal manufacturing capabilities within companies needs to be questioned.

The big budget items are separate to what we've supplied to Ukraine, and there was nothing stopping us taking notice that we were running down our own stocks once we started supplying Ukraine and placing orders months ago. The failings here are on our strategic decisions and budgeting

[sefton]

LT4PM

The dream lives on.

[tabascoboy]

Sunak 137 (+19)
Truss 113 (+27)
Mordaunt 105 (+13) --- Goooonnnneeeee


It is going to be that waste of oxygen, Truss isn't it

[SaintK]

Sunak 137 (+19)
Truss 113 (+27)
Mordaunt 105 (+13) --- Goooonnnneeeee


It is going to be that waste of oxygen, Truss isn't it

Yep!!
Far more popular than Sunak with the 150,000 mainly pale, male and middle aged Tory members who will vote on our next PM, even if she did vote Remain
God help us all!!!!

[tabascoboy]

And the Cabinet is going to filled with the same useless arrogant bluffers as before

[_Os_]

It's really astounding.

Mordaunt was clearly the best politician out of the lot. As in she presented well and concisely, quick witted. Like Truss there didn't seem to be any substance at all, but if someone is waffling on forever in monotone then they've got nothing. Mordaunt was also a genuine ordinary person (not a load of bullshit about being an immigrant when Badenoch is in fact from the UK), that may have been able to test Labour in connecting with ordinary people. She was also more of a fresh start.

Sunak has to overcome that he's seen as the billionaire guy who raised taxes to record levels, whilst also being seen as a tax dodger himself. He's also a rubbish politician when the pressure comes on. He'll go into the "unelected cunt" category very quickly with most voters.

Truss is a genuine moron. Some how the Tories look set to pick someone worse than Johnson. It's baffling she's now the favourite.

[Ovals]

It's really astounding.

Mordaunt was clearly the best politician out of the lot. As in she presented well and concisely, quick witted. Like Truss there didn't seem to be any substance at all, but if someone is waffling on forever in monotone then they've got nothing. Mordaunt was also a genuine ordinary person (not a load of bullshit about being an immigrant when Badenoch is in fact from the UK), that may have been able to test Labour in connecting with ordinary people. She was also more of a fresh start.

Sunak has to overcome that he's seen as the billionaire guy who raised taxes to record levels, whilst also being seen as a tax dodger himself. He's also a rubbish politician when the pressure comes on. He'll go into the "unelected cunt" category very quickly with most voters.

Truss is a genuine moron. Some how the Tories look set to pick someone worse than Johnson. It's baffling she's now the favourite.

It's quite astonishing that the Tories could choose such an utter waste of space as PM. But, at least it leaves the Labour party with plenty of ammo to attack the Government with, since her election will be 'continuity' of the BoJo mob. And, I can't see her handling PM's questions very well - she's not exactly quick on her feet or an accomplished speaker/debater. She's also not very popular so I can't see the honeymoon period being very long - even if she goes ahead with her pledge to cut taxes - they'll be forgotten well before the next election and the Tories will find it hard to go to the country with their 'economically prudent' moniker intact.

If only I had faith in our electorate, in the face of our Right WIng media, it might almost be worth putting up with having such a cringeworthy PM for a couple of years,

[fishfoodie]

It's really astounding.

Mordaunt was clearly the best politician out of the lot. As in she presented well and concisely, quick witted. Like Truss there didn't seem to be any substance at all, but if someone is waffling on forever in monotone then they've got nothing. Mordaunt was also a genuine ordinary person (not a load of bullshit about being an immigrant when Badenoch is in fact from the UK), that may have been able to test Labour in connecting with ordinary people. She was also more of a fresh start.

Sunak has to overcome that he's seen as the billionaire guy who raised taxes to record levels, whilst also being seen as a tax dodger himself. He's also a rubbish politician when the pressure comes on. He'll go into the "unelected cunt" category very quickly with most voters.

Truss is a genuine moron. Some how the Tories look set to pick someone worse than Johnson. It's baffling she's now the favourite.

^^^

when you're playing to a distinct constituency of 150k people who though; Brexit was a good idea, & making the Bumblecunt Leader was a good idea, its a very low fuck bar to clear !

The bigger danger is having them think you're too clever.

[SaintK]

Truss according to Cummings!!

[fishfoodie]

Truss according to Cummings!!

Disturbingly plausible, but then again, to run again for PM, he'll have to still be an MP

[C69]

LT4PM

The dream lives on.

All aboard the Truss Bus

[SaintK]

Just who the fuck do these arseholes think they are?
Patel, Raab and now Kwarteng ducking scrutiny at a select committee. Political cowards, though probably won't be the same roles in SEptember.

Business secretary Kwasi Kwarteng had been due to answer questions this afternoon from the environmental audit committee on accelerating the transition away from fossil fuels and securing energy supplies.

But Kwarteng wrote to the committee’s chairman, Philip Dunne, this morning to say he could no longer attend.

The minister gave no reason for pulling out, but offered to rearrange for a date in September, after MPs return from their summer recess.

Announcing Kwarteng’s decision, the committee tweeted: “He gives no explanation nor apology. This is not the way for senior ministers to treat scrutiny.”

[tabascoboy]

Truss according to Cummings!!

Disturbingly plausible, but then again, to run again for PM, he'll have to still be an MP

And there is of course a petition to add BloJo's name to the forthcoming leadership ballot for all Tory Party members to vote in. The stinking turd that just refuses to flush away...

[fishfoodie]

Truss according to Cummings!!

Disturbingly plausible, but then again, to run again for PM, he'll have to still be an MP

And there is of course a petition to add BloJo's name to the forthcoming leadership ballot for all Tory Party members to vote in. The stinking turd that just refuses to flush away...

I never liked his obviously snakish commitment to leave, when the Tories elected a new Leader; it always left the possibility that he would somehow intervene, & stop the contest before one was elected.

[Raggs]

Truss is now the bookies favourite

Some of her greatest hits!

It's the look of being so pleased with herself when she makes a shitty joke that gets me.

[GogLais]

Truss according to Cummings!!

Disturbingly plausible, but then again, to run again for PM, he'll have to still be an MP

And there is of course a petition to add BloJo's name to the forthcoming leadership ballot for all Tory Party members to vote in. The stinking turd that just refuses to flush away...

Go for it lads. It’d wreck the Conservative party for a generation surely? Presumably he’s staying on as an MP.

[tabascoboy]

Truss will either destroy the Tory Party for at least 10 years, or provoke a nuclear holocaust - and quite possibly both.

[fishfoodie]

Disturbingly plausible, but then again, to run again for PM, he'll have to still be an MP

And there is of course a petition to add BloJo's name to the forthcoming leadership ballot for all Tory Party members to vote in. The stinking turd that just refuses to flush away...

Go for it lads. It’d wreck the Conservative party for a generation surely? Presumably he’s staying on as an MP.

He may want to, but his seat is far from safe, & I don't think he realizes how toxic he is. If he is found to have lied to the Parliament, it will be very fucking difficult to justify re-selecting him !

[Lobby]

Truss according to Cummings!!

Disturbingly plausible, but then again, to run again for PM, he'll have to still be an MP

There's a good chance she won't make it as far as the next election, so the Tories will have to elect another leader before they face the Country again and, please God, total annihilation.

[Lobby]

It's really astounding.

Mordaunt was clearly the best politician out of the lot. As in she presented well and concisely, quick witted. Like Truss there didn't seem to be any substance at all, but if someone is waffling on forever in monotone then they've got nothing. Mordaunt was also a genuine ordinary person (not a load of bullshit about being an immigrant when Badenoch is in fact from the UK), that may have been able to test Labour in connecting with ordinary people. She was also more of a fresh start.

Sunak has to overcome that he's seen as the billionaire guy who raised taxes to record levels, whilst also being seen as a tax dodger himself. He's also a rubbish politician when the pressure comes on. He'll go into the "unelected cunt" category very quickly with most voters.

Truss is a genuine moron. Some how the Tories look set to pick someone worse than Johnson. It's baffling she's now the favourite.

It's quite astonishing that the Tories could choose such an utter waste of space as PM. But, at least it leaves the Labour party with plenty of ammo to attack the Government with, since her election will be 'continuity' of the BoJo mob. And, I can't see her handling PM's questions very well - she's not exactly quick on her feet or an accomplished speaker/debater. She's also not very popular so I can't see the honeymoon period being very long - even if she goes ahead with her pledge to cut taxes - they'll be forgotten well before the next election and the Tories will find it hard to go to the country with their 'economically prudent' moniker intact.

If only I had faith in our electorate, in the face of our Right WIng media, it might almost be worth putting up with having such a cringeworthy PM for a couple of years,

Its bizarre. The Tories used to have a reputation for being utterly ruthless about removing and selecting leaders to win elections, but Truss is a dreadful choice. She has zero charisma, was far and away the worst performer in the leadership debates, and is the least popular option amongst the general population.

I suppose its because almost all of the old-style One Nation Tories have largely been excised from the party, and its membership is now almost entirely made up of ageing golf club bores, Britain First entryists and disaffected UKIP supporters who wonder why that nice Mr Farage isn't standing for leader.

[Jockaline]

Pretty slick.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1549503944770076673

[fishfoodie]

Pretty slick.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1549503944770076673

It is very good !

It just needs the final tag line.

"When you have to cut down the magic money tree, to not freeze to death."

[Hal Jordan]

Just who the fuck do these arseholes think they are?
Patel, Raab and now Kwarteng ducking scrutiny at a select committee. Political cowards, though probably won't be the same roles in SEptember.

Business secretary Kwasi Kwarteng had been due to answer questions this afternoon from the environmental audit committee on accelerating the transition away from fossil fuels and securing energy supplies.

But Kwarteng wrote to the committee’s chairman, Philip Dunne, this morning to say he could no longer attend.

The minister gave no reason for pulling out, but offered to rearrange for a date in September, after MPs return from their summer recess.

Announcing Kwarteng’s decision, the committee tweeted: “He gives no explanation nor apology. This is not the way for senior ministers to treat scrutiny.”

They simply don't believe they are accountable to anyone for their actions. It's not something that people like them should have to do.

It's been the consistent theme of Johnson's Government.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Truss is now the bookies favourite

Some of her greatest hits!

It's the look of being so pleased with herself when she makes a shitty joke that gets me.

You seemingly get a strong grounding in a failure to be funny in public as a Lib Dem. I suppose Paddy was funny and had a lightness of touch when wanted, perhaps Charles but he was often just wankered, Liz has the same elegance of touch as a Tim Farron or Ed Davey, a par for the course Lib Dem in the media style. I wouldn't want to say she's as bad as Nick Clegg, because for a witty chap he couldn't deliver a joke in public to save his life

[Margin__Walker]

Old but gold

[Torquemada 1420]

Torq you can't disagree with me saying "you are entirely wrong", by first agreeing with parts of my original reply, then ignoring those parts of my reply where I agree.

I'm familiar with the UK PRS. The reason why I'm sort of doubting BTL being the sole reason for house price inflation (above the UK building considerably less than in comparable nations), is the numbers don't really stack up for it. Most landlords have a portfolio of one property (this accounts for about 80% of all UK landlords), the reason for this is simple, they think it's easy money then they actually try it and discover it's fucking difficult, then they quit but keep the property they have already (the property could've been acquired to rent, or from something like forming a new household with their partner, either way the equation is "being a landlord is difficult = fuck that"). These are usually sold by the owner eventually and do not become a viable stand alone business. There's a lot of limiting factors on your BTL get rich quick scheme, not least the renovation/maintenance costs (do you want to buy at the ceiling price? Or do you want to buy at below ceiling price/renovate/remortage at ceiling?), what about voids (lost income), what about yield (there are some houses that aren't viable as renters, it's not a case of buy anything), as well as what you do mention like the time it takes to appreciate (it will not be 1 year). Only about 5% of UK landlords own more than 5 properties (and they account for about 40%-ish of the PRS, and not the majority last I checked). Nor is the PRS the majority of UK housing stock, it's about 20%. Lastly there hasn't been some astronomical rise of the landlords since the GFC, there's actually been a small decline in the amount of houses in the PRS over the last half decade or so (for many reasons, the short version is it's not easy money).

What you describe was true in the 2000s, it doesn't really hold up anymore though.

What's actually happening right now, is there's a shortage of houses to rent (because as I say, there's not enough houses full stop). People will fight over a house to rent, like other people do over buying a house.

Sorry if I was unclear: I was referring to the cause of house price inflation in the US and UK and the cause of the 2008 crash.

I don't know where you get your data from but it's incorrect. I don't know any private landlords who own less than 2 properties. I know 4 who own more than 50. So, I checked. 70% own 2-10. 42% own more than 5.

[fishfoodie]

Torq you can't disagree with me saying "you are entirely wrong", by first agreeing with parts of my original reply, then ignoring those parts of my reply where I agree.

I'm familiar with the UK PRS. The reason why I'm sort of doubting BTL being the sole reason for house price inflation (above the UK building considerably less than in comparable nations), is the numbers don't really stack up for it. Most landlords have a portfolio of one property (this accounts for about 80% of all UK landlords), the reason for this is simple, they think it's easy money then they actually try it and discover it's fucking difficult, then they quit but keep the property they have already (the property could've been acquired to rent, or from something like forming a new household with their partner, either way the equation is "being a landlord is difficult = fuck that"). These are usually sold by the owner eventually and do not become a viable stand alone business. There's a lot of limiting factors on your BTL get rich quick scheme, not least the renovation/maintenance costs (do you want to buy at the ceiling price? Or do you want to buy at below ceiling price/renovate/remortage at ceiling?), what about voids (lost income), what about yield (there are some houses that aren't viable as renters, it's not a case of buy anything), as well as what you do mention like the time it takes to appreciate (it will not be 1 year). Only about 5% of UK landlords own more than 5 properties (and they account for about 40%-ish of the PRS, and not the majority last I checked). Nor is the PRS the majority of UK housing stock, it's about 20%. Lastly there hasn't been some astronomical rise of the landlords since the GFC, there's actually been a small decline in the amount of houses in the PRS over the last half decade or so (for many reasons, the short version is it's not easy money).

What you describe was true in the 2000s, it doesn't really hold up anymore though.

What's actually happening right now, is there's a shortage of houses to rent (because as I say, there's not enough houses full stop). People will fight over a house to rent, like other people do over buying a house.

Sorry if I was unclear: I was referring to the cause of house price inflation in the US and UK and the cause of the 2008 crash.

I don't know where you get your data from but it's incorrect. I don't know any private landlords who own less than 2 properties. I know 4 who own more than 50. So, I checked. 70% own 2-10. 42% own more than 5.

I can't imagine too many landlords who don't own their own home ?, hence the 2x properties !

I do know an awful lot of; what we call in Ireland, "Accidental Landlords"; i.e. those people who've met & married, etc, & ended up owning properties they owned before they met, & those the bought after they met, & never sold on, but ended up renting these out, & thus became landlords. They're almost always shite landlords, because they don't want to be, & they don't have the time or inclination to do the job properly.