Springbokke next 4 years to 2027

[FalseBayFC]

I'm calling it early. Sacha Mngomezulu will be fast tracked to the Bok squad directly after next year's World cup. And I think he'll get plenty of game time with the Stormers in the URC next year too. He's a future Bok captain. He's got the skills and athleticism to become a Dan Carter.

Has to get past Manie first.

And Curwin!

[assfly]

Hasn't really taken a step up under EJ

Wrong coach, wrong team. He's a prodigious talent, honestly speaking one of the most exciting young players in the world. But I believe it's a square peg, round hole situation.

[average joe]

Wrong team, wrong coach, wrong game plan, non of that can attenuate true talent. If you're really that good you'll rise above everything. Bit early to make a call but he hardly seems to be the messiah some claim him to be.

[OomStruisbaai]

I'm calling it early. Sacha Mngomezulu will be fast tracked to the Bok squad directly after next year's World cup. And I think he'll get plenty of game time with the Stormers in the URC next year too. He's a future Bok captain. He's got the skills and athleticism to become a Dan Carter.

Has to get past Manie first.

And Curwin!

Dobson want to use him in the Damian Willemse role. 10/12/15. He'll get the best out of him.

[assfly]

Wrong team, wrong coach, wrong game plan, non of that can attenuate true talent. If you're really that good you'll rise above everything. Bit early to make a call but he hardly seems to be the messiah some claim him to be.

If you want to be that simplistic about it, go ahead. But I suggest you have a look back at the last two years of the Harlequins to see what he has been producing for them.

[average joe]

Wrong team, wrong coach, wrong game plan, non of that can attenuate true talent. If you're really that good you'll rise above everything. Bit early to make a call but he hardly seems to be the messiah some claim him to be.

If you want to be that simplistic about it, go ahead. But I suggest you have a look back at the last two years of the Harlequins to see what he has been producing for them.

Deferent level, he has achieved nothing for England so far. I'll reserve my admiration until he proves that he's not a busted flush.

[assfly]

ok

[Chilli]

I'm calling it early. Sacha Mngomezulu will be fast tracked to the Bok squad directly after next year's World cup. And I think he'll get plenty of game time with the Stormers in the URC next year too. He's a future Bok captain. He's got the skills and athleticism to become a Dan Carter.

Has to get past Manie first.

And Curwin!

Well, yes.

[Chilli]

Hasn't really taken a step up under EJ

Wrong coach, wrong team. He's a prodigious talent, honestly speaking one of the most exciting young players in the world. But I believe it's a square peg, round hole situation.

I was sort of making that point.

[ia801310]

Interesting article in SArugbymag

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/mallett-bo ... or-france/

Mallett claiming that Roos was picked so he can't play for France.

[OomStruisbaai]

Interesting article in SArugbymag

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/mallett-bo ... or-france/

Mallett claiming that Roos was picked so he can't play for France.

Was wondering if Mallet know the ruling changed?

[ia801310]

Interesting article in SArugbymag

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/mallett-bo ... or-france/

Mallett claiming that Roos was picked so he can't play for France.

Was wondering if Mallet know the ruling changed?

The ruling had changed but to take advantage of the ruling you have to qualify for the other country via birthright or descent. You can't qualify via residency if you have already played for another country.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... ext%20year.

"Players are eligible to switch nations if they have been stood down for three years – in other words, not been selected for 36 months – and if they, or a parent or grandparent, were born in the country they wish to represent."

[OomStruisbaai]

Oh OK that's why it benefit Tonga, Samoa,

[OomStruisbaai]

Oh OK that's why it benefit Tonga, Samoa,

Sorry wrong. If Roos play for France, he qualify for South Africa also. So it isn't a worry then?

[Calculon]

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Scrumhalf - Hopefully Hershel finds his mojo. But Faf and Reinach will do. Grant Williams reminds me of Aaron Smith, maybe he overtakes Junkies.
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Jaden Hendrikse will overtake junkies

Told ya

[boere wors]

Herschel is a strange case. He played himself into a RWC final with just one stellar performance upon debut for the boks (and an equally good season for the Stormers), but has since lost all his mojo. I hope he can regain that form soon.

[Wilson's Toffee]

Roos will figure soon. Just need to adapt to tier one rugby.

[OomStruisbaai]

Herschel is a strange case. He played himself into a RWC final with just one stellar performance upon debut for the boks (and an equally good season for the Stormers), but has since lost all his mojo. I hope he can regain that form soon.

The coaches give the Stormers and Bulls a bit of a break. The Sharks and Japan players need game time.

[FalseBayFC]

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Scrumhalf - Hopefully Hershel finds his mojo. But Faf and Reinach will do. Grant Williams reminds me of Aaron Smith, maybe he overtakes Junkies.
.

Jaden Hendrikse will overtake junkies

Told ya

He had a very assured debut indeed. Surprised me.

[OomStruisbaai]

R365 Springbok depth card

Springbok depth chart
First Team
15 Damian Willemse
14 Makazole Mapimpi
13 Lukhanyo Am
12 Damian de Allende
11 Cheslin Kolbe
10 Handré Pollard
9 Francois de Klerk
8 Duane Vermeulen
7 Pieter Steph du Toit
6 Siyamthanda Kolisi
5 Lodewyk de Jager
4 Eben Etzebeth
3 Frans Malherbe
2 Mbongeni Mbonambi
1 Retshegofaditswe Nche
Replacements
16 Malcolm Marx
17 Steven Kitshoff
18 Vincent Koch
19 Franco Mostert
20 Jasper Wiese
21 Albertus Smith
22 Jaden Hendrikse
23 Willie le Roux

Second Team
15 Warrick Gelant
14 Kurt Lee Arendse
13 Jesse Kriel
12 André Esterhuizen
11 Aphelele Fassi
10 Elton Jantjies
9 Herschel Jantjies
8 Evan Roos
7 Elrigh Louw
6 Marcell Coetzee
5 Marvin Orie
4 Salmaan Moerat
3 Thomas du Toit
2 Joseph Dweba
1 Trevor Nyakane
Replacement
16 Siyabonga Ntubeni
17 Ntuthuko Mchunu
18 Neethling Fouché *
19 Ruan Nortje
20 Rudolph Snyman
21 Grant Williams
22 Jordan Henrikse *
23 Francois Steyn

Third team
15 Dillyn Leyds
14 Raymond Rhule
13 Rohan Janse van Rensburg
12 Jan Serfontein
11 Rosko Specman
10 Robert du Preez
9 Embrose Papier
8 Dan du Preez
7 Jean luc Du Preez
6 Deon Fourie
5 Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg
4 Stephan Lewies
3 Wilco Louw
2 Armand van der Merwe
1 Coenie Oosthuizen
Replacements
16 Johan Grobbelaar *
17 Sithembiso Sithole *
18 Carlu Sadie *
19 Jason Jenkins
20 Rynhardt Elstadt
21 Sikhumbuzo Notshe
22 Ivan van Zyl
23 Manie Libbok *

* Denotes uncapped

[Sards]

R365 Springbok depth card

Springbok depth chart
First Team
15 Damian Willemse
14 Makazole Mapimpi
13 Lukhanyo Am
12 Damian de Allende
11 Cheslin Kolbe
10 Handré Pollard
9 Francois de Klerk
8 Duane Vermeulen
7 Pieter Steph du Toit
6 Siyamthanda Kolisi
5 Lodewyk de Jager
4 Eben Etzebeth
3 Frans Malherbe
2 Mbongeni Mbonambi
1 Retshegofaditswe Nche
Replacements
16 Malcolm Marx
17 Steven Kitshoff
18 Vincent Koch
19 Franco Mostert
20 Jasper Wiese
21 Albertus Smith
22 Jaden Hendrikse
23 Willie le Roux

Second Team
15 Warrick Gelant
14 Kurt Lee Arendse
13 Jesse Kriel
12 André Esterhuizen
11 Aphelele Fassi
10 Elton Jantjies
9 Herschel Jantjies
8 Evan Roos
7 Elrigh Louw
6 Marcell Coetzee
5 Marvin Orie
4 Salmaan Moerat
3 Thomas du Toit
2 Joseph Dweba
1 Trevor Nyakane
Replacement
16 Siyabonga Ntubeni
17 Ntuthuko Mchunu
18 Neethling Fouché *
19 Ruan Nortje
20 Rudolph Snyman
21 Grant Williams
22 Jordan Henrikse *
23 Francois Steyn

Third team
15 Dillyn Leyds
14 Raymond Rhule
13 Rohan Janse van Rensburg
12 Jan Serfontein
11 Rosko Specman
10 Robert du Preez
9 Embrose Papier
8 Dan du Preez
7 Jean luc Du Preez
6 Deon Fourie
5 Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg
4 Stephan Lewies
3 Wilco Louw
2 Armand van der Merwe
1 Coenie Oosthuizen
Replacements
16 Johan Grobbelaar *
17 Sithembiso Sithole *
18 Carlu Sadie *
19 Jason Jenkins
20 Rynhardt Elstadt
21 Sikhumbuzo Notshe
22 Ivan van Zyl
23 Manie Libbok *

* Denotes uncapped

And with all that depth we barely beat a Wales side that lost to Italy , who lost to Georgia.....

[assfly]

Lukhanyo Am is the greatest 13 to play for the Boks, and is one of the best backline players we've ever produced.

[Chilli]

Lukhanyo Am is the greatest 13 to play for the Boks, and is one of the best backline players we've ever produced.

Over the years we have had some very average players at 13.

Exceptions being Am and Fourie.

[Gumboot]

*cough* Gerber...

[assfly]

*cough* Gerber...

He's better than him, and Fourie.

He has been outstanding for the Boks for the last 4 years, but Saturday he was at his sublime best. We are so lucky to have him.

[Gumboot]

*cough* Gerber...

He's better than him, and Fourie.

He has been outstanding for the Boks for the last 4 years, but Saturday he was at his sublime best. We are so lucky to have him.

True, and his best performances have been in actual tests, which is a big point in his favour.

[OomStruisbaai]

*cough* Gerber...

Gerber was a great attacker and athlete. Am more skilled and a great defender.

[Wilson's Toffee]

*cough* Gerber...

He's better than him, and Fourie.



He has been outstanding for the Boks for the last 4 years, but Saturday he was at his sublime best. We are so lucky to have him.

NOBODY is/was better than Danie Gerber ..

[OomStruisbaai]

Die game is oor, ons het verloor!

Well I expect this. Losses is good because it grounded you.
To lose against the All Blacks isn't that bad even on Ellispark.

It's obvious that we need to cut out old wood like Elton Jantjies and Jesse Kriel. Duanne Vermeulen and Frans Steyn probably next. We need to bring young blood through.


Our box kick shite plan need to be cut. Tonight the All Blacks waited for this.

The Wallabies is our next test. Will be nice to knock them over.

[ia801310]

Die game is oor, ons het verloor!

Well I expect this. Losses is good because it grounded you.
To lose against the All Blacks isn't that bad even on Ellispark.

It's obvious that we need to cut out old wood like Elton Jantjies and Jesse Kriel. Duanne Vermeulen and Frans Steyn probably next. We need to bring young blood through.


Our box kick shite plan need to be cut. Tonight the All Blacks waited for this.

The Wallabies is our next test. Will be nice to knock them over.

Kriel was only on for 8 mins!!

Steyn hasn;t had a chance yet.

Dweba needs to be given the elbow too.

[boere wors]

I thought we were aiming for continuity? What a shithouse performance that was again from the boks. Disappointing.

[ia801310]

Ultimately regardless of all the politics and squad building, winning should always be the main thing.

Agree with this from Planet Rugby

https://www.planetrugby.com/rugby-champ ... provement/

"As mentioned above, their backline at the end looked to really be firing and the biggest talking points for them will be selecting the best 15 to start (which undoubtedly features Marx, Steven Kitshoff and Le Roux) and making sure that they kick off hot and accurately."

Also this from Mark Keohane



"Among the biggest lessons for #Springboks leadership ... back performance & form & not loyalty & history ... Wiese on bench, Louw & Roos in the stands ... they started with an icon of the game who hadn't played for 2 months. And it showed. Advantage NZL ... result NZL"

[Chilli]

It looks like the end of the road for Duanne.
Wiese, while giving away a dumb penalty, was immense.

[assfly]

So far this year, played 5 won 3.

A week is a long time in rugby. I've spent the last week thinking that we're finally on an upward trajectory, but that loss yesterday really hurts.

Too many passengers in that team at the moment. PSdT still far from his best, Duane looks past it, too many hot and cold games from Kolisi. de Allende has been quiet, I'd love to see AE given a run with Pollard and Am next to him but we all know that won't happen. We have some real talent in our squad who look like they won't have any chances this RC. Some players in our bomb squad aren't making an impact when they come on.

I'm really starting to question our 6/2 split. We emptied half our bench before half time yesterday, which really hurt us in the long run.

[OomStruisbaai]

I don't mind if they make changes now like 2nd test against Wales and we lost. Rasnaber will have to manage the players better. Players like Etsebeth, Willemse, Pollard, ext need to be rotated. Remember we play with the NH and our top players can't play 12 months a year.

And the 6/2 split is kak. We have enough locks who can back up flank or flankers backup lock.

[boere wors]

Kriel on the wing summarizes what is wrong with selections. Imagine what a guy like Duhan vdM would do on our wing. Or Tyrone Green, who is even eligible. Now that all our wingers are fudged, who will start in the 14 jersey in 2 weeks time against the Wallabies?? Kwagga?
Agree on the above, the 6-2 only works properly with no injuries in the backs. We were pretty unlucky lately in that regard. Reshuffeling the whole backline each time to accomodate willie at 15 is another problem. Should have rather brought on kwagga on the wing and go on with the other substitutions as planned.
Duane was an especially dumb selection with Wiese in good form. And I wouldnt mind giving Elrigh Louw a start at 7.
All in all as mentioned before, the boks are blowing hot and cold, one week they perform well, the next week they fail. Frustrating.

[assfly]

I don't think Kwagga at wing for 70 minutes would have worked. But it would have been much more logical to put Willie there and keep the rest of the backline in place. That backline shuffle was so disruptive.

For the next match we've got Gelant and Willie to can start on the wing. Grant Williams has also played a bit there so he could make the bench. But let's see what ideas JN and RE come up with.

[boere wors]

Of course, Willie to wing would have been logical, but somehow they dont want to do that. Hence kwagga, would have been better than that backline mess.
Yeah right, forgot about Gelant. He will probably cover wing.

[Sards]

Lukhanyo Am is the greatest 13 to play for the Boks, and is one of the best backline players we've ever produced.

Exactly. We missed him at the Sharks.
It must have been quite insulting for him to have to change positions for another player. I am sure he was not impressed.

[Sards]

I don't think Kwagga at wing for 70 minutes would have worked. But it would have been much more logical to put Willie there and keep the rest of the backline in place. That backline shuffle was so disruptive.

For the next match we've got Gelant and Willie to can start on the wing. Grant Williams has also played a bit there so he could make the bench. But let's see what ideas JN and RE come up with.

The natural thing to have done was for everyone to remain in their positions , Willie to fullback his natural position and Willemse to wing.
Besides running out of steam our backline was completely out of position except for fullback, scrumhalf and inside centre. Not ideal against the ABs.
One wonders if our management is going to be arrogant enough to preserve with the 6 2 split