I seem to remember you thought England were going to batter SA, and I disagreed with youOomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:55 pmThe Cricinfo lot went into silence with their Neverending Bazball shite.
This test is far from over with Stokes still batting
I don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:01 pmMate. You'll win by an innings. Utterly embarrassing after all the hype shiteOomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:55 pmThe Cricinfo lot went into silence with their Neverending Bazball shite.
This test is far from over with Stokes still batting
Yep I,ll take that one from you and specially Nipper on the chin. Great stuff from the Proteas. Happy chappie.Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:09 pmI seem to remember you thought England were going to batter SA, and I disagreed with youOomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:55 pmThe Cricinfo lot went into silence with their Neverending Bazball shite.
This test is far from over with Stokes still batting
Good post. Could be summed up as "may as well go down all guns blazing" which, at least, has been entertaining too.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pm
I don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.
The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.
No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.
Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.
Boet honestly, this was only the 1st test, let's see what happens in the series.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pmI don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:01 pmMate. You'll win by an innings. Utterly embarrassing after all the hype shiteOomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:55 pm
The Cricinfo lot went into silence with their Neverending Bazball shite.
This test is far from over with Stokes still batting
The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.
No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.
Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.
Once class batsman. Bairstow has had a phenomenal summer but his record tells the tale. Similar story with Stokes.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:53 amBoet honestly, this was only the 1st test, let's see what happens in the series.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pmI don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.
The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.
No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.
Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.
Like you quote that 3 class batsmen. Isn't that the case for any team?
The Proteas won the toss on a good bowling pitch. Long may this continue.
Exactly. One class batsman and two periodically in form batsmen. No openers of any real worth.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:20 pmOnce class batsman. Bairstow has had a phenomenal summer but his record tells the tale. Similar story with Stokes.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:53 amBoet honestly, this was only the 1st test, let's see what happens in the series.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pm
I don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.
The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.
No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.
Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.
Like you quote that 3 class batsmen. Isn't that the case for any team?
The Proteas won the toss on a good bowling pitch. Long may this continue.
SA were the top ranked Test side coming into this!
Well, they were/are third in the test team rankings.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:20 pmOnce class batsman. Bairstow has had a phenomenal summer but his record tells the tale. Similar story with Stokes.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:53 amBoet honestly, this was only the 1st test, let's see what happens in the series.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:48 pm
I don't know what Cricinfo he's been reading but there's been plenty of cynicism and doubt as to the longevity of the approach. But it's doubly weird having Oom strutting about here, given his relentless talking up of England despite our repeated collapses. No-one who's been talking as much shit as him for as long as him should be giving it large right now.
The "point" about Bazball isn't that England are going to go out and batter everyone. It's that it'll hopefully put pressure on teams in unlikely scenarios by playing to the strengths of players who are otherwise not very good Test batters. It's all well and good harrumphing about being "found out v better sides" but we've played 2 cracking sides already and beaten them, but beaten them in ways where it was fully recognised that England's weaknesses were still on show.
No-one's sitting here claiming Baz has turned England into an unstoppable juggernaut. The side still has one half-decent opener, an empty shirt, a tyro 3, and a long tail, plus a bowling attack that is just too samey. The idea is - as we've seen - that a different approach gives England a better chance of winning than just playing the standard England way.
Which, if anyone's been paying attention, led to a lot of performances like this in the past few years. Because we're really not a very good Test team. We just have the ability now to win in a new way that hasn't been tried by us before. And if Root, Bairstow, and Stokes are getting out cheaply in both innings, it doesn't matter what the approach is, we're fucked anyway.
Like you quote that 3 class batsmen. Isn't that the case for any team?
The Proteas won the toss on a good bowling pitch. Long may this continue.
SA were the top ranked Test side coming into this!
Well I am pretty sure the Proteas will pull good crowds over New Year at Newlands as an example. The culture is here, our admins must just get their act together.
The West Indies innings was everything you need to know about WI limited over cricket.
300 was still a reasonably good total, but, yes, halfway decent running would have seen it up to nearer 350Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:48 amThe West Indies innings was everything you need to know about WI limited over cricket.
West Indies played out 35 boundaries (including 15 sixes) - but 168 dot balls - whereas NZ grabbed 31 boundaries (only 6 sixes) but only 112 dots.
West Indies need to sort their running out - that is half of the overs not being scored off.
Off-spinner Simon Harmer has been included in a 12-man playing squad, with captain Dean Elgar explaining that simply having the option of changing the bowling unit that destroyed England a week ago, was a luxury.
“Will have a good look at the wicket (Wednesday, at training),” said the South African captain. “We have the right resources, whether we play four seamers or two spinners. It’s exciting for us, we’ve never really had that luxury of having two world class spinners in our armoury. It's a nice thing to have.”
First test England were 42/3. SA now 41/3. Who's going to save us?
Last batsman in. Then the tail.FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:15 amFirst test England were 42/3. SA now 41/3. Who's going to save us?
