So, coronavirus...

[BnM]

Can we find an remote Island surrounded by ravenous sharks for these morons.

[Botha Boy]

Subsequently denied and stating he's waiting for the result

Wouldn't be the first positive test he has had to try and bury

That's right ER, a STD for sure

But what a way to go ! ...

[Botha Boy]

how many million infections so far?
one documented reinfection...
I will take my epidemiological pinch of salt and suggest that reinfection is not that likely.

Exactly.

We are running an experiment with 7 billion individuals and we appear to have detected a second version of the virus in the same person.

But of course, they have no illness ... scary !

[Botha Boy]

So if you've had it you're probably OK for the future but are still contagious, at least that's the assumption that Professor seems to be making. This would fall in with the theory that a lot of the asymptomatic cases are people fighting it off easily due to previous non covid coronavirus infections? But unfortunately means a vaccine will be necessary to protect the vulnerable.

Be interesting to know if those people who "got Covid bad" were also prone to getting other colds/flu in the past.

Some people are always sick while others get a cold once a decade. I'm somewhere in the middle (and not a fat cunt), so my Covid symptoms should hopefully be mild....

Its a massively strong relationship.

The majority of folks impacted are over 65 and typically in care homes.

What is the life expectancy of a person in a care home, especially of you are over 80 ? And what is the expected outcome if such a person gets a serious respiratory virus infection ?

There are younger people who are badly affected, but nearly always have an existing condition.

Without going "the Complete Ika", it is like a very bad flu which we have not much experience of which takes away the very old and the frail.

[Ata Rangi]

Kevin Hart apparently has it.

[Raggs]

CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

[Botha Boy]

CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

But also stop resources chasing after the asymptomatic who (at best) have a weak ability to shed virus.

Therefore you focus on the truly infectious and their contacts and close them down. Like China has been doing for months.

Stop theorising and analyse the data from the last few months ! We are in a much better position than the media understands.

[Raggs]

CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

But also stop resources chasing after the asymptomatic who (at best) have a weak ability to shed virus.

Therefore you focus on the truly infectious and their contacts and close them down. Like China has been doing for months.

Stop theorising and analyse the data from the last few months ! We are in a much better position than the media understands.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones. Sure, without all the coughing they're less likely to spread, but it's far from zero. Especially as asymptomatic individuals will behave as a normal person and interact far more with others, whereas a symptomatic one will generally attempt to isolate.

In addition, these may be pre-symptomatic people, so all your doing is kicking the test down the line a bit, which helps no one. Best case scenario is testing everyone who's been in contact with someone with a positive test, and that way, shutting the spread down before it has a chance to keep passing along.

China... yeah. You tell me what China's doing... I'll believe you... honest.

[Raggs]

Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

[Botha Boy]

Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

[fishfoodie]

The US is increasingly getting to the point, where; if it were wartime, & the measures being taken were in regard to an enemy; the offenders would have been shot; out of hand, for treason.

If you knew someone was working for the Japanese; or Germans; & you chose to ignore that; you were just as guilty , as they were.

The Administration knows these people are spreading disease, & they're ignoring they fact that they are killing people; rather than quarantining them.

[Enzedder]

CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

But also stop resources chasing after the asymptomatic who (at best) have a weak ability to shed virus.

Therefore you focus on the truly infectious and their contacts and close them down. Like China has been doing for months.

Stop theorising and analyse the data from the last few months ! We are in a much better position than the media understands.

But mostly the media reports the words of the epidemiologists. Are they lacking in their understanding compared to you as well?

[Bimbowomxn]

CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

But also stop resources chasing after the asymptomatic who (at best) have a weak ability to shed virus.

Therefore you focus on the truly infectious and their contacts and close them down. Like China has been doing for months.

Stop theorising and analyse the data from the last few months ! We are in a much better position than the media understands.

But mostly the media reports the words of the epidemiologists. Are they lacking in their understanding compared to you as well?

Yes, it’s a new disease. Scientists are playing catch up.

[Saint]

Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

I think one of the major problems here is people (deliberately or otherwise) confusing "pre-symptomatic" and "asymptomatic"

If your test and trace is up to any snuff at all, then you're going to identify people inside the 14 day pre-symptomatic window. At this point, whther they ultimately move on to become symptomatic, they are crrying and shedding virus load, but in different quantities (asymptomatic carriers definitely shed far less load than pre-symptomatic/symptomatic carriers).

But, at this point,m we currently don't know of any way to tell the difference between the two - all we know is that they both are testing positive, and don't currently show any symptoms.

So at this point you have a choice.

1 - Assume that they are going to move on to be symptomatic, isolate them and test and trace from there.

2 - Assume that they're going to be asypmtomatic, and not spread at all, and don't follow up

If you go down the first route, you inconvenience some people, nothing more - and ultimately, if done well, this leeds to a greater release of lockdown restrictions

if you go down the second route, you potentially risk creating a large pool of infected carriers, resulting in a new outbreak requiring either a local or national lockdown again to bring it under control.

[Raggs]

Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7291769/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejme2009758

https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-347 ... 4/fulltext

A quick selection of evidence there for you.

CDC have only just changed their policy. A change that was enforced by the taskforce from above the CDC's heads, whilst Dr Fauci (who's on the taskforce, probably the most qualified one in it) just happened to be in surgery, and just happens to disagree with it entirely...

So whilst I'd agree that China and CDC may have similar policies for similar reasons (I have no idea what China's policy is, and am taking it purely on your word), I'm not thinking those reasons are anything to do with actual healthcare benefits.

[Un Pilier]

Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

I think one of the major problems here is people (deliberately or otherwise) confusing "pre-symptomatic" and "asymptomatic"

If your test and trace is up to any snuff at all, then you're going to identify people inside the 14 day pre-symptomatic window. At this point, whther they ultimately move on to become symptomatic, they are crrying and shedding virus load, but in different quantities (asymptomatic carriers definitely shed far less load than pre-symptomatic/symptomatic carriers).

But, at this point,m we currently don't know of any way to tell the difference between the two - all we know is that they both are testing positive, and don't currently show any symptoms.

So at this point you have a choice.

1 - Assume that they are going to move on to be symptomatic, isolate them and test and trace from there.

2 - Assume that they're going to be asypmtomatic, and not spread at all, and don't follow up

If you go down the first route, you inconvenience some people, nothing more - and ultimately, if done well, this leeds to a greater release of lockdown restrictions

if you go down the second route, you potentially risk creating a large pool of infected carriers, resulting in a new outbreak requiring either a local or national lockdown again to bring it under control.

Yeah. No brainer really.

[Hong Kong]

[Clogs]

there must be some mistake with that table. I can't see Sweden on it?

[Glaston]

there must be some mistake with that table. I can't see Sweden on it?

Or China

[Bimbowomxn]

So I stay off of “National” covid threads, can I please point out to posters scared by stories of Long covid that currently this is total guess work and not an actual scary reality.

[Sandstorm]

So I stay off of “National” covid threads, can I please point out to posters scared by stories of Long covid that currently this is total guess work and not an actual scary reality.

Shush Covidiot

[Bimbowomxn]

So I stay off of “National” covid threads, can I please point out to posters scared by stories of Long covid that currently this is total guess work and not an actual scary reality.

Shush Covidiot

Unless there’s time travel we don’t know about, “long term” affects of a new virus can only be guess work, fact.


Some people even claim that influenza doesn’t have a long term affect on some sufferers to further exaggerate the guess work.

[Sandstorm]

So I stay off of “National” covid threads, can I please point out to posters scared by stories of Long covid that currently this is total guess work and not an actual scary reality.

Shush Covidiot

Unless there’s time travel we don’t know about, “long term” affects of a new virus can only be guess work, fact.

How long is "long term" in your mind, Bimbot? In mine it's more than a month after symptoms pass and there are people with further issues out there after that time. I think we have one on the Bored.....

[Bimbowomxn]

Shush Covidiot

Unless there’s time travel we don’t know about, “long term” affects of a new virus can only be guess work, fact.

How long is "long term" in your mind, Bimbot? In mine it's more than a month after symptoms pass and there are people with further issues out there after that time. I think we have one on the Bored.....

I’d say one month is very short term, long term is a matter of years and decades. At least now you don’t mean “long term” just a few weeks.

Ffs flu takes easily a month to recover from even in the healthy, pneumonia 3-6 months etc. (Quick edit, you even claim we “never” test for influenza, wow)

You’re a clown calling one month “long term”. Now about the long term affects of influenza.......

[Bimbowomxn]

https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953-62 ... 6/fulltext


More good news.


NHS England reported 4 more COVID-19 hospital deaths today.

The deaths occurred over the following 4 dates:

1 = 29th August (2 days ago)
1 = 16th August (15 days ago)
1 = 26th June (66 days ago)
1 = 16th June (76 days ago)

3 were reported last Monday.

[Ymx]

CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

I received a random test through the post. Part of a testing research study.

Did the swab and in a small sealed tube in fridge, but the courier have failed to pick it up. So will turn up tomorrow. Pretty useless if that is the norm. Not sure how long it would survive on a swab.

[Raggs]

They don't need a "live" sample.

[Ted.]

Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

How does contact tracing work if you refuse to test asymptomatic people?

[Raggs]

Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

How does contact tracing work if you refuse to test asymptomatic people?

It doesn't.

[Ted.]

Anyway, trump and his pet quack look to be angling for herd immunity in the States a la Sweden.

Hopefully this doesn't gain any traction among the states and it's just Trump dog whistling.

[Raggs]

Anyway, trump and his pet quack look to be angling for herd immunity in the States a la Sweden.

Hopefully this doesn't gain any traction among the states and it's just Trump dog whistling.

This despite Sweden saying it didn't work and they regret their decisions... jesus christ. The daft thing is, so many people just seem to not be too worried by all the deaths and the cases. Any european country with similar rates would be looking at lockdown again.

[Sandstorm]

Anyway, trump and his pet quack look to be angling for herd immunity in the States a la Sweden.

Hopefully this doesn't gain any traction among the states and it's just Trump dog whistling.

This despite Sweden saying it didn't work and they regret their decisions... jesus christ. The daft thing is, so many people just seem to not be too worried by all the deaths and the cases. Any european country with similar rates would be looking at lockdown again.

Death before loss of Freedom in the Yank’s mind makes sense, I guess.

[Bimbowomxn]

Anyway, trump and his pet quack look to be angling for herd immunity in the States a la Sweden.

Hopefully this doesn't gain any traction among the states and it's just Trump dog whistling.

This despite Sweden saying it didn't work and they regret their decisions... jesus christ. The daft thing is, so many people just seem to not be too worried by all the deaths and the cases. Any european country with similar rates would be looking at lockdown again.

Sweden’s chief medical dude doesn’t regret his policies.



They didn’t go for “herd immunity “ either.

[Ted.]

Anyway, trump and his pet quack look to be angling for herd immunity in the States a la Sweden.

Hopefully this doesn't gain any traction among the states and it's just Trump dog whistling.

This despite Sweden saying it didn't work and they regret their decisions... jesus christ. The daft thing is, so many people just seem to not be too worried by all the deaths and the cases. Any european country with similar rates would be looking at lockdown again.

The bloke who has Trump's ear is Dr Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist. Actually, it's more of a circle jerk than a one way conversation. Like the plot of a bad pantomime or soap, having seen him on Fox, Trump hired him to counter those nasty bullies, Fauci and Brix.

[.OverThere]

https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953-62 ... 6/fulltext


More good news.


NHS England reported 4 more COVID-19 hospital deaths today.

The deaths occurred over the following 4 dates:

1 = 29th August (2 days ago)
1 = 16th August (15 days ago)
1 = 26th June (66 days ago)
1 = 16th June (76 days ago)

3 were reported last Monday.

It seems like someone was in the past understating figures. I wonder why?
Still a reporting shortfall of between 5-10k.

But Bimbot says thats ok, they didn't happen yesterday.

[mat the expat]

Sweden’s chief medical dude doesn’t regret his policies.


They didn’t go for “herd immunity “ either.

It's laughable how full of shit you are. Sometimes I can't tell if you're on the windup and have an algorithm for each response:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... -lockdown/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717

Sweden's controversial decision not to impose a strict lockdown in response to the Covid-19 pandemic led to too many deaths, the man behind the policy, Anders Tegnell, has acknowledged.

https://www.livescience.com/results-of- ... ponse.html

Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says

The country should have done more, he says.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/23/sw ... -pandemic/

ven Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist and the architect of the light-touch strategy, has admitted that too many people have died and that, if he’d had the information available today back in March, he might have supported stricter measures within certain sectors of society

[Bimbowomxn]

It's laughable how full of shit you are. Sometimes I can't tell if you're on the windup and have an algorithm for each response:

It’s laughable that a small collection of context removed news reports from driven critics changes anything.

I can tell you’re not a wind up and for some reason confuse being good at computers with the rest of life,

[dpedin]

Unless there’s time travel we don’t know about, “long term” affects of a new virus can only be guess work, fact.

How long is "long term" in your mind, Bimbot? In mine it's more than a month after symptoms pass and there are people with further issues out there after that time. I think we have one on the Bored.....

I’d say one month is very short term, long term is a matter of years and decades. At least now you don’t mean “long term” just a few weeks.

Ffs flu takes easily a month to recover from even in the healthy, pneumonia 3-6 months etc. (Quick edit, you even claim we “never” test for influenza, wow)

You’re a clown calling one month “long term”. Now about the long term affects of influenza.......

A car crash only takes a matter of seconds but can have long term and devastating impact for those involved!

There are lots of folk who have suffered heart problems, strokes and PEs all directly associated with the impact of Covid19 and the effect it has in 'thickening' the blood. Bimbo is correct that this might happen a month or so after the patient has had covid19 but the impact of this on their long term health, the ongoing medications and rehab and the cost to the healthcare systems will last for years. This is a long term effect. Spoke to senior respiratory consultant in a major teaching hospital just last week who said they and their cardiac, cardiothoracic and stroke colleagues are seeing over double the number of blood clot related issues compared to previous years and it is purely down to covid19 and its impact on the vascular system.

This is a long term issue.

[dpedin]

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

I think one of the major problems here is people (deliberately or otherwise) confusing "pre-symptomatic" and "asymptomatic"

If your test and trace is up to any snuff at all, then you're going to identify people inside the 14 day pre-symptomatic window. At this point, whther they ultimately move on to become symptomatic, they are crrying and shedding virus load, but in different quantities (asymptomatic carriers definitely shed far less load than pre-symptomatic/symptomatic carriers).

But, at this point,m we currently don't know of any way to tell the difference between the two - all we know is that they both are testing positive, and don't currently show any symptoms.

So at this point you have a choice.

1 - Assume that they are going to move on to be symptomatic, isolate them and test and trace from there.

2 - Assume that they're going to be asypmtomatic, and not spread at all, and don't follow up

If you go down the first route, you inconvenience some people, nothing more - and ultimately, if done well, this leeds to a greater release of lockdown restrictions

if you go down the second route, you potentially risk creating a large pool of infected carriers, resulting in a new outbreak requiring either a local or national lockdown again to bring it under control.

Yeah. No brainer really.

This!

[Bimbowomxn]

How long is "long term" in your mind, Bimbot? In mine it's more than a month after symptoms pass and there are people with further issues out there after that time. I think we have one on the Bored.....

I’d say one month is very short term, long term is a matter of years and decades. At least now you don’t mean “long term” just a few weeks.

Ffs flu takes easily a month to recover from even in the healthy, pneumonia 3-6 months etc. (Quick edit, you even claim we “never” test for influenza, wow)

You’re a clown calling one month “long term”. Now about the long term affects of influenza.......

A car crash only takes a matter of seconds but can have long term and devastating impact for those involved!

There are lots of folk who have suffered heart problems, strokes and PEs all directly associated with the impact of Covid19 and the effect it has in 'thickening' the blood. Bimbo is correct that this might happen a month or so after the patient has had covid19 but the impact of this on their long term health, the ongoing medications and rehab and the cost to the healthcare systems will last for years. This is a long term effect. Spoke to senior respiratory consultant in a major teaching hospital just last week who said they and their cardiac, cardiothoracic and stroke colleagues are seeing over double the number of blood clot related issues compared to previous years and it is purely down to covid19 and its impact on the vascular system.

This is a long term issue.

While I’m sorry for your health issue, we really have no idea regarding the “long term” it’s just nonsense to claim that after a few months.

Currently the NHS is partially shut. 10’s of thousands of cancer patients are having delayed treatment and life risks. None of this is anecdotal.