All worked out in the end. Well done by your lasses
Women's 2021 (2022) Rugby World Cup thread
England convincing winners but still questions about their attacking plan, 13 changes i grant you, but a lot of the so called second string showed today why they are second string. Shauna Brown i thought (scrum apart) had a poor game. Need a kicker for sure, Cleal at 8 wasn't convincing, she is a better blindside or second row and an 8. The backup 9 was a bit ordinary, with so much possesion and dominance both wings i think touched the ball once each in the first half, something is not right.
I thought Zoe Harrison had an off game. She missed almost all her kicks at goal and and also missed touch with two or three penalties. Her distribution also seemed off, which may partly explain why the backs saw so little ball.ASMO wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:14 am England convincing winners but still questions about their attacking plan, 13 changes i grant you, but a lot of the so called second string showed today why they are second string. Shauna Brown i thought (scrum apart) had a poor game. Need a kicker for sure, Cleal at 8 wasn't convincing, she is a better blindside or second row and an 8. The backup 9 was a bit ordinary, with so much possesion and dominance both wings i think touched the ball once each in the first half, something is not right.
Despite the heavy loss, I thought SA played quite well. Their number 8, Helle, was really good, and the 15 also had a really good game. They had a good deal of possession and territory as well, much more so than France or Fiji managed.
I thought the Referee was a bit soft on dangerous play. There was a head on head tackle of Aitchison in the first few minutes that wasn’t even reviewed, and the two she did review probably should have been red cards rather than yellow; the South African was especially lucky as she made no attempt to dip before clocking Poppy Cleal on the chin.
The draw has worked quite well for England, who won’t meet either France or NZ until the final. It’ll be interesting to see how NZ do against France (assuming they can get past Italy who beat them just a couple of months ago). NZ looked to have regained some form since their dismal tour results last year, but they haven’t really been tested so far, having had three very easy games.
Scotland will be frustrated with their World Cup. They should have beaten Wales and Australia, but in both games fell short.
French team has not clicked the backs are static and passes end up behind.
They have lost to italy right before the World cup so this could be an upset.
The coach changes have not resolved any issues.
if they get past Italy I am not confident they will have what they had in last year tour against the Ferns.
They have lost to italy right before the World cup so this could be an upset.
The coach changes have not resolved any issues.
if they get past Italy I am not confident they will have what they had in last year tour against the Ferns.
I can't claim to have watched it, but could it have simply been keeping powder dry? If you can win doing the absolute bare basics, why do anything but? Keep any smarter shapes behind closed doors until you actually need them, which is only really going to happen in the playoffs.ASMO wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:14 am England convincing winners but still questions about their attacking plan, 13 changes i grant you, but a lot of the so called second string showed today why they are second string. Shauna Brown i thought (scrum apart) had a poor game. Need a kicker for sure, Cleal at 8 wasn't convincing, she is a better blindside or second row and an 8. The backup 9 was a bit ordinary, with so much possesion and dominance both wings i think touched the ball once each in the first half, something is not right.
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Italians not feeding their players?
Maybe she just fancied a bit of sushiItaly second-row forward Sara Tounesi was on Tuesday banned for 12 matches for biting an opponent in the women's Rugby World Cup in New Zealand.
Tounesi will miss this weekend's quarter-final against France after being cited during the final pool match, a 21-8 victory against Japan on Sunday.
An independent judicial committee concluded that she had bitten the Japanese player, which is a red card offence under Law 9.12, and accordingly upheld the citing.
From the report of the hearing:ASMO wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:18 am Italians not feeding their players?
Maybe she just fancied a bit of sushiItaly second-row forward Sara Tounesi was on Tuesday banned for 12 matches for biting an opponent in the women's Rugby World Cup in New Zealand.
Tounesi will miss this weekend's quarter-final against France after being cited during the final pool match, a 21-8 victory against Japan on Sunday.
An independent judicial committee concluded that she had bitten the Japanese player, which is a red card offence under Law 9.12, and accordingly upheld the citing.
"Footage review shows that, at 64:50 on the match clock, Italy are in possession of the ball and are attacking ~7m out from the try line. Italy number 4 (I4 Sara Tounesi) takes the ball into contact, is tackled, and J7 moves into the jackal position. Footage from the “USM Low Left” camera angle shows I4 taking the ball into contact and J7’s hand reaching down to the ball and touching it with the tips of her fingers. I4 can then be seen to open her mouth, rotate her head forward, and close her mouth down again in a manner that completely corroborates J7’s statement of events."
https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugb ... cision.pdf
I suppose that's one way of preventing a turnover, but I'm not sure it will catch on
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NZR covering themselves in glory this year...
basting themselves. A marinade of incompetence and shitfuckery.
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basting themselves. A marinade of incompetence and shitfuckery.
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New Zealand Rugby has addressed accusations of undermining and sabotage after the All Blacks match against Japan was scheduled at the same time as the Black Ferns’ World Cup quarterfinal this Saturday.
The Black Ferns will play Wales in Whangārei with a 7.30pm kick-off. Meanwhile, the All Blacks will start their Northern tour by playing the Brave Blossoms in Japan with a 6.50pm NZT kick-off.
There’s an unwritten rule in New Zealand politics – one that has been duly followed since the dawn of time – that general elections won’t be scheduled on the same day as an All Blacks test at home. Every three years, when the prime minister sits down to discuss possible election dates, the All Blacks schedule will be noted. That’s how much attention the All Blacks grab.
This is understood by the prime minister, it’s understood by event coordinators around the country and it’s understood by broadcasters. If you want eyes on your show, match, polling booth, make sure it’s not happening at the same time as the All Blacks are playing. It’s apparently not understood by NZR because at some point in the past two months, they agreed to schedule an All Blacks match at the same time as the Black Ferns’ World Cup quarterfinal in Whangārei.
The clash has been widely criticised as a deliberate attempt to undermine the tournament and women’s rugby as a whole, with Spark Sport’s Scotty Stevenson commenting on Instagram that the decision from NZR points to larger issues within the organisation. “How an organisation can do this intentionally, when it undermines its own team, when it disadvantages its own fans, and when it only serves to illustrate its own hollow rhetoric when it comes to its support of the women in the game no longer surprises. It only serves to reinforce the belief that those in decision making roles are just not fit for purpose,” he wrote.
Rumours swirled around the possible motivation behind the scheduling, given the match in Japan is being played at 2.50pm, a time that suggests wriggle room on either side if NZR had insisted on not playing at the same time as their women counterparts. Was it a deliberate move to draw attention from the women’s tournament? Was it a commercial move on behalf of Sky to compete with Spark Sport in the same time slot?
Today, in a written statement, NZR addressed the clash and revealed the reason behind the schedule clash: They forgot that the Black Ferns were playing on Saturday.
“Unfortunately, when Japan Rugby set the kick-off time for the All Blacks Test, NZR did not take
into account the Rugby World Cup stipulation that the host nation would play in the
Quarterfinal 2 timeslot regardless of pool results and may inadvertently cause a clash,” read the statement.
Somehow this feels worse than if it was revealed to be some strange attempt to sabotage its own team. At least a deliberate sabotage implies that NZR thought about the Black Ferns for more than five seconds when making decisions. Instead, the reason is oops we forgot to look at the draw for the tournament that we are playing in and that we are hosting.
“NZR did make a request to Japan Rugby to move the kick-off time but we respect the reasons provided for not being able to shift the time.” Putting aside the fact that NZR is a behemoth in world rugby and has a lot of pulling power if it decided to use it, a belated request to move the kick-off time for the simple reason of incompetence is hardly a compelling ask.
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After all the complaints about NZR’s treatment of the women’s team in the last year and they do that. That’s a bit of a shocker.Guy Smiley wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 4:18 am NZR covering themselves in glory this year...
basting themselves. A marinade of incompetence and shitfuckery.
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New Zealand Rugby has addressed accusations of undermining and sabotage after the All Blacks match against Japan was scheduled at the same time as the Black Ferns’ World Cup quarterfinal this Saturday.
The Black Ferns will play Wales in Whangārei with a 7.30pm kick-off. Meanwhile, the All Blacks will start their Northern tour by playing the Brave Blossoms in Japan with a 6.50pm NZT kick-off.
There’s an unwritten rule in New Zealand politics – one that has been duly followed since the dawn of time – that general elections won’t be scheduled on the same day as an All Blacks test at home. Every three years, when the prime minister sits down to discuss possible election dates, the All Blacks schedule will be noted. That’s how much attention the All Blacks grab.
This is understood by the prime minister, it’s understood by event coordinators around the country and it’s understood by broadcasters. If you want eyes on your show, match, polling booth, make sure it’s not happening at the same time as the All Blacks are playing. It’s apparently not understood by NZR because at some point in the past two months, they agreed to schedule an All Blacks match at the same time as the Black Ferns’ World Cup quarterfinal in Whangārei.
The clash has been widely criticised as a deliberate attempt to undermine the tournament and women’s rugby as a whole, with Spark Sport’s Scotty Stevenson commenting on Instagram that the decision from NZR points to larger issues within the organisation. “How an organisation can do this intentionally, when it undermines its own team, when it disadvantages its own fans, and when it only serves to illustrate its own hollow rhetoric when it comes to its support of the women in the game no longer surprises. It only serves to reinforce the belief that those in decision making roles are just not fit for purpose,” he wrote.
Rumours swirled around the possible motivation behind the scheduling, given the match in Japan is being played at 2.50pm, a time that suggests wriggle room on either side if NZR had insisted on not playing at the same time as their women counterparts. Was it a deliberate move to draw attention from the women’s tournament? Was it a commercial move on behalf of Sky to compete with Spark Sport in the same time slot?
Today, in a written statement, NZR addressed the clash and revealed the reason behind the schedule clash: They forgot that the Black Ferns were playing on Saturday.
“Unfortunately, when Japan Rugby set the kick-off time for the All Blacks Test, NZR did not take
into account the Rugby World Cup stipulation that the host nation would play in the
Quarterfinal 2 timeslot regardless of pool results and may inadvertently cause a clash,” read the statement.
Somehow this feels worse than if it was revealed to be some strange attempt to sabotage its own team. At least a deliberate sabotage implies that NZR thought about the Black Ferns for more than five seconds when making decisions. Instead, the reason is oops we forgot to look at the draw for the tournament that we are playing in and that we are hosting.
“NZR did make a request to Japan Rugby to move the kick-off time but we respect the reasons provided for not being able to shift the time.” Putting aside the fact that NZR is a behemoth in world rugby and has a lot of pulling power if it decided to use it, a belated request to move the kick-off time for the simple reason of incompetence is hardly a compelling ask.
Run by fucking donkeys.
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Oh well, the women's match also clashes with the hit-and-giggle cricket — who can we blame for that?Guy Smiley wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 4:18 am NZR covering themselves in glory this year...
basting themselves. A marinade of incompetence and shitfuckery.
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New Zealand Rugby has addressed accusations of undermining and sabotage after the All Blacks match against Japan was scheduled at the same time as the Black Ferns’ World Cup quarterfinal this Saturday.
The Black Ferns will play Wales in Whangārei with a 7.30pm kick-off. Meanwhile, the All Blacks will start their Northern tour by playing the Brave Blossoms in Japan with a 6.50pm NZT kick-off.
There’s an unwritten rule in New Zealand politics – one that has been duly followed since the dawn of time – that general elections won’t be scheduled on the same day as an All Blacks test at home. Every three years, when the prime minister sits down to discuss possible election dates, the All Blacks schedule will be noted. That’s how much attention the All Blacks grab.
This is understood by the prime minister, it’s understood by event coordinators around the country and it’s understood by broadcasters. If you want eyes on your show, match, polling booth, make sure it’s not happening at the same time as the All Blacks are playing. It’s apparently not understood by NZR because at some point in the past two months, they agreed to schedule an All Blacks match at the same time as the Black Ferns’ World Cup quarterfinal in Whangārei.
The clash has been widely criticised as a deliberate attempt to undermine the tournament and women’s rugby as a whole, with Spark Sport’s Scotty Stevenson commenting on Instagram that the decision from NZR points to larger issues within the organisation. “How an organisation can do this intentionally, when it undermines its own team, when it disadvantages its own fans, and when it only serves to illustrate its own hollow rhetoric when it comes to its support of the women in the game no longer surprises. It only serves to reinforce the belief that those in decision making roles are just not fit for purpose,” he wrote.
Rumours swirled around the possible motivation behind the scheduling, given the match in Japan is being played at 2.50pm, a time that suggests wriggle room on either side if NZR had insisted on not playing at the same time as their women counterparts. Was it a deliberate move to draw attention from the women’s tournament? Was it a commercial move on behalf of Sky to compete with Spark Sport in the same time slot?
Today, in a written statement, NZR addressed the clash and revealed the reason behind the schedule clash: They forgot that the Black Ferns were playing on Saturday.
“Unfortunately, when Japan Rugby set the kick-off time for the All Blacks Test, NZR did not take
into account the Rugby World Cup stipulation that the host nation would play in the
Quarterfinal 2 timeslot regardless of pool results and may inadvertently cause a clash,” read the statement.
Somehow this feels worse than if it was revealed to be some strange attempt to sabotage its own team. At least a deliberate sabotage implies that NZR thought about the Black Ferns for more than five seconds when making decisions. Instead, the reason is oops we forgot to look at the draw for the tournament that we are playing in and that we are hosting.
“NZR did make a request to Japan Rugby to move the kick-off time but we respect the reasons provided for not being able to shift the time.” Putting aside the fact that NZR is a behemoth in world rugby and has a lot of pulling power if it decided to use it, a belated request to move the kick-off time for the simple reason of incompetence is hardly a compelling ask.
Run by fucking donkeys.
One match is a foregone conclusion while the other is a friendly. Anybody who can't bear to miss a minute of either can just watch one live and the other delayed. Hardly a major.
England match day squad for the game against Australia. Looks strong enough!!
Starters
15. Helena Rowland
14. Lydia Thompson
13. Emily Scarratt (VC)
12. Tatyana Heard
11. Abby Dow
10. Zoe Harrison
9. Leanne Infante
1. Vickii Cornborough
2. Amy Cokayne
3. Sarah Bern
4. Zoe Aldcroft
5. Abbie Ward
6. Alex Matthews
7. Marlie Packer
8. Sarah Hunter (C)
Finishers
16. Lark Davies
17. Hannah Botterman
18. Maud Muir
19. Rosie Galligan
20. Poppy Cleall
21. Lucy Packer
22. Holly Aitchison
23. Ellie Kildunne
Starters
15. Helena Rowland
14. Lydia Thompson
13. Emily Scarratt (VC)
12. Tatyana Heard
11. Abby Dow
10. Zoe Harrison
9. Leanne Infante
1. Vickii Cornborough
2. Amy Cokayne
3. Sarah Bern
4. Zoe Aldcroft
5. Abbie Ward
6. Alex Matthews
7. Marlie Packer
8. Sarah Hunter (C)
Finishers
16. Lark Davies
17. Hannah Botterman
18. Maud Muir
19. Rosie Galligan
20. Poppy Cleall
21. Lucy Packer
22. Holly Aitchison
23. Ellie Kildunne
Rowland at 15 is an interesting call, Kildunne seems to have gone down the pecking order and Breach seems to have completely fallen out of favour.SaintK wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:36 am England match day squad for the game against Australia. Looks strong enough!!
Starters
15. Helena Rowland
14. Lydia Thompson
13. Emily Scarratt (VC)
12. Tatyana Heard
11. Abby Dow
10. Zoe Harrison
9. Leanne Infante
1. Vickii Cornborough
2. Amy Cokayne
3. Sarah Bern
4. Zoe Aldcroft
5. Abbie Ward
6. Alex Matthews
7. Marlie Packer
8. Sarah Hunter (C)
Finishers
16. Lark Davies
17. Hannah Botterman
18. Maud Muir
19. Rosie Galligan
20. Poppy Cleall
21. Lucy Packer
22. Holly Aitchison
23. Ellie Kildunne
I think this is as much to do with Heard performing very well at 12 in the last match as Kildunne and Breach falling out of favour.ASMO wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:53 amRowland at 15 is an interesting call, Kildunne seems to have gone down the pecking order and Breach seems to have completely fallen out of favour.SaintK wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:36 am England match day squad for the game against Australia. Looks strong enough!!
Starters
15. Helena Rowland
14. Lydia Thompson
13. Emily Scarratt (VC)
12. Tatyana Heard
11. Abby Dow
10. Zoe Harrison
9. Leanne Infante
1. Vickii Cornborough
2. Amy Cokayne
3. Sarah Bern
4. Zoe Aldcroft
5. Abbie Ward
6. Alex Matthews
7. Marlie Packer
8. Sarah Hunter (C)
Finishers
16. Lark Davies
17. Hannah Botterman
18. Maud Muir
19. Rosie Galligan
20. Poppy Cleall
21. Lucy Packer
22. Holly Aitchison
23. Ellie Kildunne
I think as well that Simon Middleton is very aware of the mistakes made in the last World Cup, and in particular at Full Back. In that tournament Danielle Waterman played full back in every match, but was injured before the final, which meant that Scarratt had to play out of position there. This time, he is making sure he has back up in all crucial positions, with Kildunne, Dow, Rowland and Sarah
McKenna all able to play full back.
NZ looking back to their best, but Wales have been terrible (and only scraped through to the knock out stages with a lucky win against Scotland.Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:34 am Am I the only person watching the Black Ferns playing Wales in the QC?
Tui and Woodman both excellent.
The Nz France semi-final should be a cracker.
New Zealand have not played anyone of note yet, australia gave them a fright and australia are pretty ordinary to be honest, i think the Fearns will be found out against France.Lobby wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:37 amNZ looking back to their best, but Wales have been terrible (and only scraped through to the knock out stages with a lucky win against Scotland.Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:34 am Am I the only person watching the Black Ferns playing Wales in the QC?
Tui and Woodman both excellent.
The Nz France semi-final should be a cracker.
France have won their last four matches against the Black Ferns (30-27, 25-16, 38-13 and 29-7) and haven't lost to them since 2018 so will provide a much better test of how much the Ferns have improved since last year.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:07 amNew Zealand have not played anyone of note yet, australia gave them a fright and australia are pretty ordinary to be honest, i think the Fearns will be found out against France.Lobby wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:37 amNZ looking back to their best, but Wales have been terrible (and only scraped through to the knock out stages with a lucky win against Scotland.Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:34 am Am I the only person watching the Black Ferns playing Wales in the QC?
Tui and Woodman both excellent.
The Nz France semi-final should be a cracker.
Trouble for France (despite their very decent record against the Ferns) is that they have been disjointed and do not appear capable of playing the Ferns in the same way they did in the recent past.
Midfield still looks lost (after this much time).
Defensively they are sound offensively it's far from ideal.
I do not see England being threatened this time around.
Midfield still looks lost (after this much time).
Defensively they are sound offensively it's far from ideal.
I do not see England being threatened this time around.
Black Ferns.
Black Ferns: Renee Holmes, Ruby Tui, Stacey Fluhler, Theresa Fitzpatrick, Portia Woodman, Ruahei Demant (co-c), Kendra Cocksedge, Liana Mikaele-Tu’u, Sarah Hirini, Alana Bremner, Chelsea Bremner, Maiakawanakaulani Roos, Amy Rule, Georgia Ponsonby, Phillipa Love; Reserves: Luka Connor, Krystal Murray, Santo Taumata, Joanah Ngan-Woo, Kennedy Simon (co-c), Ariana Bayler, Hazel Tubic, Ayesha Leti-I’iga
Looks a bloody good team, am really looking forward to the game. Have to say I amazed and pleased how this comp has caught the imagination of most of country, strongly suspect we will get a lot of growth in womens/girls game over next few years, Black Ferns are a team that a lot of kids will want to emulate.
Black Ferns: Renee Holmes, Ruby Tui, Stacey Fluhler, Theresa Fitzpatrick, Portia Woodman, Ruahei Demant (co-c), Kendra Cocksedge, Liana Mikaele-Tu’u, Sarah Hirini, Alana Bremner, Chelsea Bremner, Maiakawanakaulani Roos, Amy Rule, Georgia Ponsonby, Phillipa Love; Reserves: Luka Connor, Krystal Murray, Santo Taumata, Joanah Ngan-Woo, Kennedy Simon (co-c), Ariana Bayler, Hazel Tubic, Ayesha Leti-I’iga
Looks a bloody good team, am really looking forward to the game. Have to say I amazed and pleased how this comp has caught the imagination of most of country, strongly suspect we will get a lot of growth in womens/girls game over next few years, Black Ferns are a team that a lot of kids will want to emulate.
Yep - that got them to the final I reckon.Kiwias wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:45 am Heart breaking for Canada, five minutes on the ENgland goal line then England turn it over and score at the other end
26-19 with 3 to go
I drink and I forget things.