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You read what Niebaber said...Kolbe and Willemse must just go back and train harder....no change coming
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Sards wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:52 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:33 pm Damian Willemse will be our 10.

Tried and tested per Nienaber
We are comfortable with Damian and he has proven himself,” added Nienaber
Tried and tested. Eisch. He really has proven himself to be a petulant made up superstar after they refused to bring anyone else into the squad and left him as the only option and what happened. He couldn't carry through and in the process did huge damage to Kolbes reputation.
You went awol after the Wallabies test. The test where we took 18 years to beat them in Australia. But hey they will select him again and again and please yourself spotting all the mistakes he make and forgot all the good things he do.

Typical kokkerot supporter.
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average joe wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:38 am Whilst we are on this subject. Does anyone have some sort of inside info on the du Preez family. It's like they're outcasts, did old toppie Robert and Rassie have a tiff or something.
I get the impression that they've decided to go their own way on the pro circuit and are not putting too many feelers out towards the bok setup. Rob du Preez jr in particular has many haters here. He's turned into a very solid flyhalf though and him and the twins are valued very highly at Sale Sharks. There are so many loose forwards in the Bok picture right now that the twins, as good as they are, would struggle to find a slot.
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FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:53 am
average joe wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:38 am Whilst we are on this subject. Does anyone have some sort of inside info on the du Preez family. It's like they're outcasts, did old toppie Robert and Rassie have a tiff or something.
I get the impression that they've decided to go their own way on the pro circuit and are not putting too many feelers out towards the bok setup. Rob du Preez jr in particular has many haters here. He's turned into a very solid flyhalf though and him and the twins are valued very highly at Sale Sharks. There are so many loose forwards in the Bok picture right now that the twins, as good as they are, would struggle to find a slot.
I still think Jean Luc would be a great asset for the boks given his versatility, being able to play 4 to 8. And the games he did play for the boks in 2017, he was actually one of the better players. And between Wiese and Dan at 8, I would have invested in Dan 2 years ago. But with Elrigh Louw and Evan Roos coming through now, they have finally fallen out of the picture I guess.
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Never been a huge fan but the only other flyhalf besides Manie that gets a backline away is Boeta.

But obviously he will never be included because of quota obligations
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:03 am
Sards wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:52 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:33 pm Damian Willemse will be our 10.

Tried and tested per Nienaber

Tried and tested. Eisch. He really has proven himself to be a petulant made up superstar after they refused to bring anyone else into the squad and left him as the only option and what happened. He couldn't carry through and in the process did huge damage to Kolbes reputation.
You went awol after the Wallabies test. The test where we took 18 years to beat them in Australia. But hey they will select him again and again and please yourself spotting all the mistakes he make and forgot all the good things he do.

Typical kokkerot supporter.
I understand the quota obligations dude
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Praat van die duiwel. The twins were called up to the A-side.
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average joe wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:19 pm Praat van die duiwel. The twins were called up to the A-side.
And a huge Hallelujah to Manie not being with the A team. Could only mean he will be playing against France at flyhalf.....

My prayers are answered
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A 10 who has a history of not being able to play the Rasnaber way isn't going g to change the fortunes of the Boks.
The problem is that once the forwards do not have overwhelming dominance, there is nothing to fallback on.

The Bok backline, when not kicking up & unders, is absolutely clueless. DDA, while sometimes great going forward, cannot or doesn't pass or offload.

The Boks could have Dan Carter at 10 and they would struggle.

They need a backline coach and a different 12.

Look at what a difference WLR made when he came on.
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I like the look of that SA A team. So nice to see some fresh faces. I'm sure we'll get beaten, but let's hope a few players put their hands up.
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Chilli wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:02 pm A 10 who has a history of not being able to play the Rasnaber way isn't going g to change the fortunes of the Boks.
The problem is that once the forwards do not have overwhelming dominance, there is nothing to fallback on.

The Bok backline, when not kicking up & unders, is absolutely clueless. DDA, while sometimes great going forward, cannot or doesn't pass or offload.

The Boks could have Dan Carter at 10 and they would struggle.

They need a backline coach and a different 12.

Look at what a difference WLR made when he came on.
I almost never shout at the TV, but every time DDA got the ball and did his little wrestlemania thing I almost lost my nut. "Pass the ball!" came out a couple of times. Think the last one I managed before giving up was "pass jou poes!".

The imbecile simply cannot pass. The hamster in his head cannot be programmed to do such a basic thing. Takes contact every, single, time. What went wrong with his coaching, where is our backline coach? It's so easy to defend against, because you know what's coming. It really does my head in. :crazy:
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average joe wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:19 pm Praat van die duiwel. The twins were called up to the A-side.
JL du Preez in and Dan on the bench!
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Ek het op die Franse vs Springboks draad die span gepost.
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LoveOfTheGame wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:26 pm
Chilli wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:02 pm A 10 who has a history of not being able to play the Rasnaber way isn't going g to change the fortunes of the Boks.
The problem is that once the forwards do not have overwhelming dominance, there is nothing to fallback on.

The Bok backline, when not kicking up & unders, is absolutely clueless. DDA, while sometimes great going forward, cannot or doesn't pass or offload.

The Boks could have Dan Carter at 10 and they would struggle.

They need a backline coach and a different 12.

Look at what a difference WLR made when he came on.
I almost never shout at the TV, but every time DDA got the ball and did his little wrestlemania thing I almost lost my nut. "Pass the ball!" came out a couple of times. Think the last one I managed before giving up was "pass jou poes!".

The imbecile simply cannot pass. The hamster in his head cannot be programmed to do such a basic thing. Takes contact every, single, time. What went wrong with his coaching, where is our backline coach? It's so easy to defend against, because you know what's coming. It really does my head in. :crazy:
Hendriks should be blame aswell. His kicking and service is so kak.

Our forwards drive from lineouts was kak aswell. We could have scored 4 tries from lineouts.
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You can't blame Ellendig really, he never got that much possession from his 10.
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Only 1 problem with our backline....number 10. Hopefully it's solved now.

A proper 10 will do what Willie does and create space using De Allende as a dummy runner. That's what I expect from Manie.

We have to break this 3 match hoodoo of no backline tries
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Even as a $harks fan, I must admit that I'm surprised the Boks have perservered with Hendrikse at 9. I don't think he's the best 9 at the $harks, Grant Williams looks the more complete player.

Faf did well when he came on, but I'd like to see Williams or Reinarch given an extended run too.
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Sards wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:19 pm Only 1 problem with our backline....number 10. Hopefully it's solved now.

A proper 10 will do what Willie does and create space using De Allende as a dummy runner. That's what I expect from Manie.

We have to break this 3 match hoodoo of no backline tries
Ellendig and Kriel are to stupid to pass even if they have Carter in 10.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:11 am
Sards wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:19 pm Only 1 problem with our backline....number 10. Hopefully it's solved now.

A proper 10 will do what Willie does and create space using De Allende as a dummy runner. That's what I expect from Manie.

We have to break this 3 match hoodoo of no backline tries
Ellendig and Kriel are to stupid to pass even if they have Carter in 10.
You don't smaak De Allende because he is a Millies boy
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assfly wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:57 am Even as a $harks fan, I must admit that I'm surprised the Boks have perservered with Hendrikse at 9. I don't think he's the best 9 at the $harks, Grant Williams looks the more complete player.

Faf did well when he came on, but I'd like to see Williams or Reinarch given an extended run too.
If you want to be Springboks scrumhalf you need a strong kicking game. I also like Grant. But let's be honest. They are both quite decent.

I am hoping to see Grant play for the A team.
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Sards wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:51 am
assfly wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:57 am Even as a $harks fan, I must admit that I'm surprised the Boks have perservered with Hendrikse at 9. I don't think he's the best 9 at the $harks, Grant Williams looks the more complete player.

Faf did well when he came on, but I'd like to see Williams or Reinarch given an extended run too.
If you want to be Springboks scrumhalf you need a strong kicking game. I also like Grant. But let's be honest. They are both quite decent.

I am hoping to see Grant play for the A team.
Hendrikse is just too slow. Give Faf a kopklap and get him back into the starting team.
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A lot of the blame for Willemse's showing can be laid on Hendrikse.
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handyman wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:16 am A lot of the blame for Willemse's showing can be laid on Hendrikse.
The vok ja. Hendricks was holding his hand when he kicked every time ( the tosser )and Willie was just lucky to be in a better position when he took over as playmaker.

Definitely easy to blame Hendricks.

I have time today. Will replay the match and show you all the forced decisions Hendricks forced on Willemse
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Sards wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:19 am
handyman wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:16 am A lot of the blame for Willemse's showing can be laid on Hendrikse.
The vok ja. Hendricks was holding his hand when he kicked every time ( the tosser )and Willie was just lucky to be in a better position when he took over as playmaker.

Definitely easy to blame Hendricks
Willie looked like a superstar because Faf was scrumhalf. Let's see Willemse play outside of Faf.
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handyman wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:22 am
Sards wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:19 am
handyman wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:16 am A lot of the blame for Willemse's showing can be laid on Hendrikse.
The vok ja. Hendricks was holding his hand when he kicked every time ( the tosser )and Willie was just lucky to be in a better position when he took over as playmaker.

Definitely easy to blame Hendricks
Willie looked like a superstar because Faf was scrumhalf. Let's see Willemse play outside of Faf.
We also forgot to blame the ref. Ja. We wouldn't be South African otherwise. The one was the turnover from Willemse that led to the Irish try. . I am sure I can find more.

I will make a Rassie edit
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Sards wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:24 am
handyman wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:22 am
Sards wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:19 am

The vok ja. Hendricks was holding his hand when he kicked every time ( the tosser )and Willie was just lucky to be in a better position when he took over as playmaker.

Definitely easy to blame Hendricks
Willie looked like a superstar because Faf was scrumhalf. Let's see Willemse play outside of Faf.
We also forgot to blame the ref. Ja. We wouldn't be South African otherwise. The one was the turnover from Willemse that led to the Irish try. . I am sure I can find more.

I will make a Rassie edit
The ref was kak, no doubt about that. Hendrikse was slow, putting the whole backline under pressure.

You would have seen this if you watched the game. Cannot see this on the app.
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1 minute. Gets sucked into a ruck and held there whilst they kick over him whilst he was not in position. Definitely a penalty to Willemse...
3 points Ireland penalty.

Hendricks to forwards and more forwards and at 4 minutes to Willemse who gives Kolbe a hospital pass. Hendricks to more and more forwards , 6 minutes to Willemse who takes it up and gets smothered. Forwards forwards..at 06.23 to Willemse who also passed to a forward. Forwards again.
At 06.50 Willemse gets pass and kicks to wing. Bit messy so penalty. Penalty in front of posts. Willemse gets it.

Dude. Most of Hendricks passes were to the forwards.
We can definitely blame the ref for this.

Get real. Willemses mistakes were his own
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What I did notice is that Willemse likes to get into rucks and mauls instead of being in position at flyhalf.
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Hendrickse box kicks provide most of the Irish possession. It was like give them a 10m pass.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:55 am Hendrickse box kicks provide most of the Irish possession. It was like give them a 10m pass.
True, but our kick-chase was also poor. We have been poor at contesting high kicks since the Lions tour, perhaps because teams have become good at protecting their catchers.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:55 am Hendrickse box kicks provide most of the Irish possession. It was like give them a 10m pass.
He only box kicked from our 22 which is perfect. He never got charged down like Willemse doing the same. So there goes your opinion down the toilet. You Capies will make up any kak.
Nothing wrong with the speed of his passing. Nothing close to the slowness of Junkies. Most of his passes were to forward pods. Don't trust me , watch yourself. ( I only watched first 30 and got bored )

You Capies. Always bitching about everyone else being wrong and unable to accept responsibility when you are kak.
Go on. I Challenge you. Go do what I did and watch the game and come with hard facts. Not kak blown out your arse
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He get charge down every test. Luckily he is dropped.
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15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Kurt-Lee Arendse, 10 Damian Willemse, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Ox Nche.
Subs: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Marvin Orie, 20 Kwagga Smith, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Manie Libbok, 23 Makazole Mapimpi.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:11 am He get charge down every test. Luckily he is dropped.
Honestly. You sound just like all the ref blaming SAns. It's every one else's fault
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Still no goal kicker in the starting Line-Up. I would have started Libbok and put Willemse in 12, DDA to the bench
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boere wors wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:51 am Still no goal kicker in the starting Line-Up. I would have started Libbok and put Willemse in 12, DDA to the bench
Ditto.
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Sards wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:48 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:11 am He get charge down every test. Luckily he is dropped.
Honestly. You sound just like all the ref blaming SAns. It's every one else's fault
Blah blah , sound like a old lady with a wet panty.
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The more I think about it, the less this selection makes sense. The main thing to fix was the playmaker and kicker thing. What did Rassenaber do about it? Fuck all. They put the only guy capable of fullfilling that role on the bench. For what? So he can come on and kick the penalties when we are already chasing the game?
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boere wors wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:15 pm The more I think about it, the less this selection makes sense. The main thing to fix was the playmaker and kicker thing. What did Rassenaber do about it? Fuck all. They put the only guy capable of fullfilling that role on the bench. For what? So he can come on and kick the penalties when we are already chasing the game?
Faf will do the kicking. Luckily Hendricks has been drop after a lot of shit shows.
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