Ireland v France match thread

[CM11]

If Anderson was in charge they certainly would be, the rotters.

Strange time to get worked up about the TV director. It's been around nearly a decade now

Hang on, this is about the Lowe try?

TMO is in van with more angles than we see on TV. He's not just reviewing what we see on TV. He's running many angles at the same time to judge grounding.

The problem was Barnes saying onfield try.

that reverse angle though definitely showed the ground contact, so presumably the tmo didnt have it available

The reverse angle we all saw. The one that we saw the TMO talking over?

It certainly looked like his foot may have kissed the ground but the TMO will have zoomed in closely on that and his point wasn't that it definitely didn't but that it wasn't definite that it did. He has to be conclusive and touching the top of the grass doesn't count.

Look, I'd have no complaints if it wasn't given but you'd need to be in the van to say that the TMO definitely got it wrong.

[TheFrog]

Dupont however, just head and shoulders above everyone else right now

His try saving tackle on Hansen

Not a tackle. More like wrestling.

[redderneck]

Don’t think RTE showed it, but I flicked over and ITV certainly did. Clear toe of boot trailing on the line/in touch. SFA doubt for me. But I care not a jot. French tv editors have been humping Anglos for decades on that shit. They can fucken bite me. I taste of cheese and onions.

[redderneck]

Dupont however, just head and shoulders above everyone else right now

His try saving tackle on Hansen

Not a tackle. More like wrestling.

Epic. Proper Sparta moment.

[dob]

Jalibert will start next day

His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.

Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

[Camroc2]

That was some match.

We also left three tries behind us, which will be a work on, though I'm not sure any of the remaining teams have the pack to stop us on the line like France did.

Tom O'Toole was a revelation, though I'm not sure he actually propped ?

It was great to see Kelleher back and playing well also.

[Torquemada 1420]

It shows why Galthie preferred the kick and chase too
When we try to keep ball in hand we struggled to gain ground. We are better in broken play. However with the new way of referring rucks, turnovers will be rarer.

France have a mountain to climb.

This really isn't that hard to grasp. France had plenty of fwd momentum in this game but whenever the ball goes from 9 to 10, then struggles happen BECAUSE Ntamack
- stands too deep
- kicks the ball away aimlessly
- never takes the ball to the line: just runs sideways and so eats up any space created
- and today, his passing was beyond sh*t. He grassed the ball at least 3x and did a Russell special with an intercept pass

In the end, the backs, including Dupont, resort to off the cuff stuff in frustration.

Go back to where Dupont grassed the ball near the tryline: where TF was Ntamack? I'll tell you: nowhere. I00% if Jalibert had been at FH, he'd have been there to take the pass like he did last week off Tao.

Will be interesting to see what Bernol says after this one because Ntamack rated about 3 today.

[CM11]

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

[TheFrog]

Jalibert will start next day

His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.

Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

Wasn't aware Ringrose is a forward.

[redderneck]

Jalibert will start next day

His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.

Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

Nah, think they mean Jalibert being fended off by Ringeose en route…

[PCPhil]

As far as I can recall the game has ended and the try was given.

[Nols]

Doris’ pass out of contact. I think I owe the Mrs a new set of curtains.

He has it all.

Ringrose just handed off a French defender like he wasn’t there

Handed him off, and tripped the following two chasing defenders with the discarded body.

[redderneck]

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Take my word for it. ITV showed clear foot in touch, right at the back end of multiple angles being shown to their pundits.

[CM11]

As far as I can recall the game has ended and the try was given.

[TheFrog]

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

It's damning.

I thought Ireland were to be the spiritual guardians... lost trust in their integrity.

[Wetleg]

Bierne, Porter, Keenan, Doris, Lowe, Penaud, Flament and Dupont all stood out today. Strong showings from each of these men.

[redderneck]

Right. Dusts Tayto crumbs off and turns back to the telly. Scotland, Wales, entertain us!

[CM11]

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

It's damning.

I thought Ireland were to be the spiritual guardians... lost trust in their integrity.

As I said, show me where it says six nations TMO's are at the mercy of local TV directors and I'll take my beating.

[TheFrog]

His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.

Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

Nah, think they mean Jalibert being fended off by Ringeose en route…

The frustrating thing is that Ringrose wasn't quite en route then.

[Torquemada 1420]

Jalibert will start next day

His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.

Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

He should never have been made to play at FB. Might as well have stuck him in at prop. I really wonder whether Galthie did it out of spite.

[Grandpa]

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

[TheFrog]

It shows why Galthie preferred the kick and chase too
When we try to keep ball in hand we struggled to gain ground. We are better in broken play. However with the new way of referring rucks, turnovers will be rarer.

France have a mountain to climb.

This really isn't that hard to grasp. France had plenty of fwd momentum in this game but whenever the ball goes from 9 to 10, then struggles happen BECAUSE Ntamack
- stands too deep
- kicks the ball away aimlessly
- never takes the ball to the line: just runs sideways and so eats up any space created
- and today, his passing was beyond sh*t. He grassed the ball at least 3x and did a Russell special with an intercept pass

In the end, the backs, including Dupont, resort to off the cuff stuff in frustration.

Go back to where Dupont grassed the ball near the tryline: where TF was Ntamack? I'll tell you: nowhere. I00% if Jalibert had been at FH, he'd have been there to take the pass like he did last week off Tao.

Will be interesting to see what Bernol says after this one because Ntamack rated about 3 today.

[redderneck]

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

It's damning.

I thought Ireland were to be the spiritual guardians... lost trust in their integrity.

You’re French. You haven’t trusted anyone since you heard your maman screaming at the midwife to put that scissors down as she leaned in to the umbilical cord.

[TheFrog]

His contribution has been pretty shite too. A terrible missed tackle that led to a try. 2 aimless kicks giving away posession without pressurizing the Irish defense.

Jeez lads. Jalibert is not the first or last 10 to get knocked over by a forward on the charge.

He should never have been made to play at FB. Might as well have stuck him in at prop. I really wonder whether Galthie did it out of spite.

He was not in a fullback position to make that tackle. He was right on the defensive line with the rest of the players.

[CM11]

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

[redderneck]

Hmmmmmmm. Tasty.

[TheFrog]

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Yes. Sobering news. I never imagine the Irish could be cheats.

[CM11]

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Yes. Sobering news. I never imagine the Irish could be cheats.

In your court to establish that.

[bogbunny]

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Out of interest is it touching the grass, or onto the topsoil that defines touching? Looks out, but some grounds could have a couple of inches of "hairy" grass.

[TheFrog]

Out of interest is it touching the grass, or onto the topsoil that defines touching? Looks out, but some grounds could have a couple of inches of "hairy" grass.

Plenty of hairy asses around.

[Torquemada 1420]

Not much point talking further until it's confirmed TMO only has access to angles given. My understanding is they get all camera feeds but happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone have the incriminating angle?

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Lowe would have known his foot touched hence his reaction after the event. Not saying he needed to do anything but he had some expectation it would be ruled out.

[CM11]

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Lowe would have known his foot touched hence his reaction after the event. Not saying he needed to do anything but he had some expectation it would be ruled out.

I assumed it was because he thought he grounded in touch.

[Openside]

How is it no one is discussing the fact that Bealams pass to Keenan was forward.

Are you supporting France or what

Erm I am neutral it just looked obviously forward to me

[lemonhead]

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Out of interest is it touching the grass, or onto the topsoil that defines touching? Looks out, but some grounds could have a couple of inches of "hairy" grass.

Funny how we can all look at it and come away with different views on a slightly muddy law, excuse the pun.

Damning and shameless or a 50/50 benefit of the doubt?

[Torquemada 1420]

BERNOL RATINGS

- Ramos 3
- Moefana 4
- Ntamack 4
- Alldritt 4 (not sure how he gets the same as Ntamack. Whilst he was way too quiet, nowhere near as many foul ups as Ntamack.
- Willemse 3
- Atonio 4

With those performances, the result really wasn't being contested. For those in France, the score is out of 10 and not from 5.......

[TheFrog]

How is it no one is discussing the fact that Bealams pass to Keenan was forward.

Are you supporting France or what

Erm I am neutral it just looked obviously forward to me

Barnes and forward passes. Nobody comments any longer.

[Charger21]

Just need to figure out who to blame now. That looks damming.

Out of interest is it touching the grass, or onto the topsoil that defines touching? Looks out, but some grounds could have a couple of inches of "hairy" grass.

Funny how we can all look at it and come away with different views on a slightly muddy law, excuse the pun.

Damning and shameless or a 50/50 benefit of the doubt?

Doesn't look conclusive to me

[earl the beaver]

Saw the last 10 mins while sat in the changing room. Summary anyone?

[lemonhead]

BERNOL RATINGS

- Ramos 3
- Moefana 4
- Ntamack 4
- Alldritt 4 (not sure how he gets the same as Ntamack. Whilst he was way too quiet, nowhere near as many foul ups as Ntamack.
- Willemse 3
- Atonio 4

With those performances, the result really wasn't being contested. For those in France, the score is out of 10 and not from 5.......

Willemse 3/10 seems harsh. Plus numerous French forwards in the 20+ tackle stats by full time.

Ntamack and Alldrit the only no shows for me, but then I wasn't watching your lads as closely.

[TheFrog]

Saw the last 10 mins while sat in the changing room. Summary anyone?

A game that Ireland controlled most of the time, except for an freak counter attack try by France and 10-15 minutes in the second half. 4 tries scored, held up 3 times. Sums it up.

Strategically, tactically and mentally, Ireland were the better team and the score reflects the gap between the two teams.