Australia in recession for the first time in 30 years

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Today it was announced that Australia has suffered a 7% decline in GDP for the June quarter. Not only are we in recession for the first time in 30 years, but our economic decline is the worst data in over 100 years

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53994318
Australia in first recession for nearly 30 years
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Australia's economy has plunged into its first recession in nearly 30 years, as it suffers the economic fallout from the coronavirus.

Gross domestic product (GDP) shrank 7% in the April-to-June quarter compared to the previous three months.

This is the biggest fall since records began back in 1959 and comes after a fall of 0.3% in the first quarter.

An economy is considered to be in recession if it sees two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

Australia was the only major economy to avoid a recession during the 2008 global financial crisis - mainly due to demand from China for its natural resources.

At the start of this year, the economy was hit by falling economic growth due to an extreme bush fire season and the early stages of the coronavirus outbreak.

More recently the shutdowns of businesses across the country have taken their toll, despite measures by the government and central bank to support the economy.

This is the worst economic growth in 61 years due to a severe contraction in household spending on goods and services.

2020 will go down as a year to remember and a year everyone is already trying to forget! It's the year Australia technically lost its famous nickname as 'The Lucky Country' and fell into recession for the first time in almost three decades.

GDP figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics have shown that the economy shrank by 7% in the last three months as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.

For young people who have recently joined the work force, this is something they've never experienced before. Australia has had a steady economy growth for decades with strong coal, iron ore and natural gas exports to a surging China. Tourism has also been a big driver of growth.

But this year, the country was hit hard. Twice. When the bushfires ravaged through more than 12 million hectares, tourism was bashed and thousands of small business lost months of essential seasonal revenue. Then the coronavirus became a global pandemic. Australia closed down its borders and imposed strict social distancing rules.

Nearly 1 million people lost their jobs as a result. I remember watching the long queues outside social and financial support offices back in March with people dazed at finding themselves in this situation perhaps for the first time in their lives.

There's also an increasingly tense relationship with China, Australia's biggest trading partner. Australia has strongly and publicly backed a global inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus in April which infuriated the Chinese government. Since then, Canberra and Beijing have exchanged political jabs and the Australian economy has felt the pinch.

Scott Morrison's government has already pumped more than A$200bn (£110bn; US$147bn) in economic stimulus. Australia has fared better than many other nations around the world in controlling the virus and in subsequent economic slump but this country of abundance will have to face a much harsher reality for a few years to come.

Australia last fell into recession in mid-1990 which ran into late 1991.

But the coronavirus pandemic has been a major blow to the Australian economy, although the figure is slightly better than the 8% fall Australia's reserve bank had earlier forecast.

Despite the severe drop in economic activity, Australia is doing better than most other advanced economies that have experienced bigger downturns.

The US economy, the world's biggest, shrank 9.5% between April and June while the UK's shrank by 20.4% pushing it into recession as well.

France's economy fell by 13.8% and Japan's by 7.6%.

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It’s almost as if lockdowns have other consequences......
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Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:56 am It’s almost as if lockdowns have other consequences......
But the current lockdowns were imposed after the June quarter?

Or are you criticising the initial lock downs back in March that stopped a UK style 50,000+ death farce?
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:00 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:56 am It’s almost as if lockdowns have other consequences......
But the current lockdowns were imposed after the June quarter?

Or are you criticising the initial lock downs back in March that stopped a UK style 50,000+ death farce?


I’m making neither comment. I’m laughing at a clown who cheers on every closure and now realises that causes other issues.
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Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:01 am I’m making neither comment. I’m laughing at a clown who cheers on every closure and now realises that causes other issues.
We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:01 am I’m making neither comment. I’m laughing at a clown who cheers on every closure and now realises that causes other issues.
We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:

Indeed, well done.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:01 am I’m making neither comment. I’m laughing at a clown who cheers on every closure and now realises that causes other issues.
We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:
I had understood that 2 consecutive quarters of "negative growth", i.e., retraction of the economy, was the definition of a depression.
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Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:11 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:01 am I’m making neither comment. I’m laughing at a clown who cheers on every closure and now realises that causes other issues.
We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:
I had understood that 2 consecutive quarters of "negative growth", i.e., retraction of the economy, was the definition of a depression.
We've had that. The June quarter was the 2nd negative quarter.
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Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:10 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:01 am I’m making neither comment. I’m laughing at a clown who cheers on every closure and now realises that causes other issues.
We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:

Indeed, well done.
I assume the UK's relaxed rules when it came to lock-downs and border closures saved you from the kind of economic pain that Australia has experienced?
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:14 am
Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:11 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am

We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:
I had understood that 2 consecutive quarters of "negative growth", i.e., retraction of the economy, was the definition of a depression.
We've had that. The June quarter was the 2nd negative quarter.
Officially a depression then.
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Sorry, I misread. A recession is two negative quarters. Not sure what officially constitutes an depression. Pretty sure they only happen under ALP governments though.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:15 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:10 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am

We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:

Indeed, well done.
I assume the UK's relaxed rules when it came to lock-downs and border closures saved you from the kind of economic pain that Australia has experienced?
I believe the UK economy shrunk by 20% so looking at that Australia has done very well on both the health and economic fronts.
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Jb1981 wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:38 am I believe the UK economy shrunk by 20% so looking at that Australia has done very well on both the health and economic fronts.
But bimboman assured us that a more relaxed approach to restrictions and border closures, like the UK's, would be much better economically.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:19 am Sorry, I misread. A recession is two negative quarters. Not sure what officially constitutes an depression. Pretty sure they only happen under ALP governments though.
That would probably be a function of high levels of government debt, and the risk of inflation, acting as a brake on stimulus spending.

Groucho reckons that the current deflation numbers mean they can, in effect, print some money at the moment, in the digital sense. I hope he's right.

Apparently this is now called "quantitative easing".
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Jb1981 wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:38 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:15 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:10 am


Indeed, well done.
I assume the UK's relaxed rules when it came to lock-downs and border closures saved you from the kind of economic pain that Australia has experienced?
I believe the UK economy shrunk by 20% so looking at that Australia has done very well on both the health and economic fronts.
Check out the comparative debt levels, and see above post. If Groucho has signed on here, he can explain it.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:41 am
Jb1981 wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:38 am I believe the UK economy shrunk by 20% so looking at that Australia has done very well on both the health and economic fronts.
But bimboman assured us that a more relaxed approach to restrictions and border closures, like the UK's, would be much better economically.


Again I’ve assured nothing of the sort..

I’m still laughing at you .
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For clarity, a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth numbers. A depression has no accepted definition but is generally accepted to be much longer i.e. this happening over a period of several years.
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This is nowhere near depression levels yet. It’s a recession and we will come out soon enough. It hurts but it’s not as bad as we had first thought. GDP declined somewhere like 40% in the Great Depression and was sustained over several years.

Most economies will bounce (but not as high as they dropped) in the Dec quarter. Australia will be no different.
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Farva wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:11 am This is nowhere near depression levels yet. It’s a recession and we will come out soon enough. It hurts but it’s not as bad as we had first thought. GDP declined somewhere like 40% in the Great Depression and was sustained over several years.

Most economies will bounce (but not as high as they dropped) in the Dec quarter. Australia will be no different.
Yes that's what I've read. For two main reasons. Firstly this recession is because of a health crisis, not a supply or demand crisis. Secondly, outdated austerity policies are no longer favoured by mainstream governments. Morrison has boasted that the economy will grow significantly in the September quarter.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:01 am I’m making neither comment. I’m laughing at a clown who cheers on every closure and now realises that causes other issues.
We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:
The US economy, the world's biggest, shrank 9.5% between April and June while the UK's shrank by 20.4% pushing it into recession as well.
At least they saved the economy though, right? Oh :roll:
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:01 am I’m making neither comment. I’m laughing at a clown who cheers on every closure and now realises that causes other issues.
We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:
Your decline continues. Easily the biggest cunt on this bored.
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Slick wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:26 pm
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:01 am I’m making neither comment. I’m laughing at a clown who cheers on every closure and now realises that causes other issues.
We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:
Your decline continues. Easily the biggest cunt on this bored.
So established British poster and spokesperson for NH posters Bimboman is literally laughing at Australia's economy and COVID-19 response, and I'm the biggest c-bomb on the forum for comparing our outcomes to elsewhere? I notice your tacit support for Bimboman's trolling by deliberately choosing to ignore his comments on this thread. Is he your designated attack-dog? He starts fights and then you jump in and claim the moral high ground? I guess I should congratulate you both for working so well as a team :thumbup:
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Wrong again AC, I’m laughing at you, you’re confused premises and you’re absolute odd view of the world. We won’t even get to the child like understanding your have of an economy.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:52 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:26 pm
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:05 am

We all knew we'd go into recession. Personally I thought the decline would be worse. At least we haven't had an appalling death toll like the UK's :thumbup:
Your decline continues. Easily the biggest cunt on this bored.
So established British poster and spokesperson for NH posters Bimboman is literally laughing at Australia's economy and COVID-19 response, and I'm the biggest c-bomb on the forum for comparing our outcomes to elsewhere? I notice your tacit support for Bimboman's trolling by deliberately choosing to ignore his comments on this thread. Is he your designated attack-dog? He starts fights and then you jump in and claim the moral high ground? I guess I should congratulate you both for working so well as a team :thumbup:
Your trolling is just so, so tired. It hasn't developed or matured in years. Just year upon year of the same old schtick.

Honestly, any regular poster could write your first 4 or 5 posts in any given thread:

1) Faux concern troll
2) Deflection and desperate attempt to build a coalition around the slight to you
3) Faux anger and outrage
4) Double down on initial troll
5) Conciliatory, I'm a good guy really and bowing out of this post

Dull, dull, dull.
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Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:15 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:41 am
Jb1981 wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:38 am I believe the UK economy shrunk by 20% so looking at that Australia has done very well on both the health and economic fronts.
But bimboman assured us that a more relaxed approach to restrictions and border closures, like the UK's, would be much better economically.


Again I’ve assured nothing of the sort..

I’m still laughing at you .
That's fine. We're laughing at Boris and Trump and the idiots who voted for them (while mourning the senseless loss of life)
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Slick wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:54 am Your trolling is just so, so tired. It hasn't developed or matured in years. Just year upon year of the same old schtick.

Honestly, any regular poster could write your first 4 or 5 posts in any given thread:

1) Faux concern troll
2) Deflection and desperate attempt to build a coalition around the slight to you
3) Faux anger and outrage
4) Double down on initial troll
5) Conciliatory, I'm a good guy really and bowing out of this post

Dull, dull, dull.
I would comment on your posting style but with just 350 posts to work off, I have absolutely no idea what your posting style is like. So far all I know is that you tag-team troll with bimboman and you're his White Knight.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:23 am
Farva wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:11 am This is nowhere near depression levels yet. It’s a recession and we will come out soon enough. It hurts but it’s not as bad as we had first thought. GDP declined somewhere like 40% in the Great Depression and was sustained over several years.

Most economies will bounce (but not as high as they dropped) in the Dec quarter. Australia will be no different.
Yes that's what I've read. For two main reasons. Firstly this recession is because of a health crisis, not a supply or demand crisis. Secondly, outdated austerity policies are no longer favoured by mainstream governments. Morrison has boasted that the economy will grow significantly in the September quarter.
We will bounce and the next quarter will be on one of the strongest quarters of growth ever. That’s assuming Vic opens up of course. That’s because the barrier that is causing the issue will be relaxed. It’s not a liquidity issue people are just prevented from spending money.
But it won’t be as strong a bounce as the drop. We still have bloody high unemployment and that will cause problems. It’s going to be a long period of pain for many. But all this talk of record drops are a little premature.
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Farva wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:57 am We will bounce and the next quarter will be on one of the strongest quarters of growth ever. That’s assuming Vic opens up of course. That’s because the barrier that is causing the issue will be relaxed. It’s not a liquidity issue people are just prevented from spending money.
But it won’t be as strong a bounce as the drop. We still have bloody high unemployment and that will cause problems. It’s going to be a long period of pain for many. But all this talk of record drops are a little premature.
Assuming Victoria gets on top of it virus issues, industries that will continue impact on unemployment in the medium to long term are tourism and travel, airlines, hospitality (will take a long time to get back to pre-covid levels), conferences and higher education.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:14 am
Farva wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:57 am We will bounce and the next quarter will be on one of the strongest quarters of growth ever. That’s assuming Vic opens up of course. That’s because the barrier that is causing the issue will be relaxed. It’s not a liquidity issue people are just prevented from spending money.
But it won’t be as strong a bounce as the drop. We still have bloody high unemployment and that will cause problems. It’s going to be a long period of pain for many. But all this talk of record drops are a little premature.
Assuming Victoria gets on top of it virus issues, industries that will continue impact on unemployment in the medium to long term are tourism and travel, airlines, hospitality (will take a long time to get back to pre-covid levels), conferences and higher education.
Yup. There will be quite a few industries that will take years to recover. That’s why we won’t see a return to the same economic activity as we had before COVID.
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Quantitative easing is for softcocks.

Let’s ride this bitch out.

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The Taipan wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:58 pm Quantitative easing is for softcocks.

Let’s ride this bitch out.

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