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Grandpa wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:44 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:13 pm
dpedin wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:06 am Off for 18 holes at lunchtime in glorious sunshine then, after a quick post round drink, back home to watch the Masters in all its glory and Leinster v Leicester ERC game. Is there a better way to spend Good Friday?
Underneath a naked and enthusiastic Jennifer Lawrence?
Is that something you can just order? Via Uber? :eek: :grin:
If she can putt then she is in my team, my putting is feckin atrocious at the moment!
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Grandpa wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:44 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:13 pm
dpedin wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:06 am Off for 18 holes at lunchtime in glorious sunshine then, after a quick post round drink, back home to watch the Masters in all its glory and Leinster v Leicester ERC game. Is there a better way to spend Good Friday?
Underneath a naked and enthusiastic Jennifer Lawrence?
Is that something you can just order? Via Uber? :eek: :grin:
There's a special limited release app. I'm not allowed to share it unfortunately

But yesterday was awesome.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Any views on whether or not Koepka should have been penalised?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:01 pm
Grandpa wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:44 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:13 pm

Underneath a naked and enthusiastic Jennifer Lawrence?
Is that something you can just order? Via Uber? :eek: :grin:
There's a special limited release app. I'm not allowed to share it unfortunately

But yesterday was awesome.
I've heard about the JenLaw App. Do they not offer you a discount if you introduce a friend? :grin:
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Yesterday at 6pm was the first time I have ever bought Sky for the golf.

Fucking trees fall down all over the lace yesterday and a biblical storm today.

FFS
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Slick wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:06 pm Yesterday at 6pm was the first time I have ever bought Sky for the golf.

Fucking trees fall down all over the lace yesterday and a biblical storm today.

FFS
Could be worse, my mate is there as a retirement trip. Flies home Monday.
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Blackmac wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:44 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:06 pm Yesterday at 6pm was the first time I have ever bought Sky for the golf.

Fucking trees fall down all over the lace yesterday and a biblical storm today.

FFS
Could be worse, my mate is there as a retirement trip. Flies home Monday.
You know Sandy Lyle? :thumbup:
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Grandpa wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:24 pm
Blackmac wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:44 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:06 pm Yesterday at 6pm was the first time I have ever bought Sky for the golf.

Fucking trees fall down all over the lace yesterday and a biblical storm today.

FFS
Could be worse, my mate is there as a retirement trip. Flies home Monday.
You know Sandy Lyle? :thumbup:
😂😂
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Blackmac wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:44 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:06 pm Yesterday at 6pm was the first time I have ever bought Sky for the golf.

Fucking trees fall down all over the lace yesterday and a biblical storm today.

FFS
Could be worse, my mate is there as a retirement trip. Flies home Monday.
Ouch.

What’s the deal today then? Finish round 3 and round 4 tomorrow or try and squeeze it all in today?
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dpedin wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:06 am Off for 18 holes at lunchtime in glorious sunshine then, after a quick post round drink, back home to watch the Masters in all its glory and Leinster v Leicester ERC game. Is there a better way to spend Good Friday?
Had a similar day today. Shot a nice wee 75 around Swanston today after being 6 over through 8. Lunch, Paris-Roubaix and then the Masters.
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A £360,000 customised Porsche reportedly owned by American golf star Patrick Reed has been auctioned on a salvage website, prompting questions over how the vehicle became so extensively damaged.

The 2019 Porsche 911 GT2 RS was listed on the website Copart, a car auction company that resells new, used, and salvaged cars.

Copart confirmed damage all over the vehicle, with pictures showing a destroyed front bumper on the driver's side, which has exposed the wheel.

Both sides of the car have received extensive damage, including to the roof, with the photos also showing that the airbags went off in an apparent crash.

The damage was sustained with just 361 miles on the clock.
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Off now for 18 holes in the pissing rain and forecast to be 14 degrees! Speaking to our Head Greenkeeper he reckons we are about 3 weeks behind with growth on the course here in Embra due to cold spring weather. Mate in Bristol reckons his course is about the same. Desperate for some nice warm weather soon. Feels like the season is shifting to start later in the year but going on longer into the autumn, not seen any stats on this though!
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dpedin wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 7:20 am Off now for 18 holes in the pissing rain and forecast to be 14 degrees! Speaking to our Head Greenkeeper he reckons we are about 3 weeks behind with growth on the course here in Embra due to cold spring weather. Mate in Bristol reckons his course is about the same. Desperate for some nice warm weather soon. Feels like the season is shifting to start later in the year but going on longer into the autumn, not seen any stats on this though!
This year is very strange so far. We have seen very few days consistently above 10 degrees which has slowed down the growth. Add in the climbing cost of fertiliser and it is making it very difficult for any courses getting to the standard you would hope at this time of year.
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Played Burgess this week and they are also complaining about the cold spring and late growth although it's catching up fast now. First time I have played the course and it was nice and fun, a few bare patches but greens were running fast and true. Lots of feckin bunkers though! Clubhouse a bit too posh for my liking but friendly. Played to roughly my course handicap which I was pleased about and if I was a bit straighter off the tee on a few holes would have got lower but there again if my auntie had balls she would have been my uncle!
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dpedin wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 3:59 pm Played Burgess this week and they are also complaining about the cold spring and late growth although it's catching up fast now. First time I have played the course and it was nice and fun, a few bare patches but greens were running fast and true. Lots of feckin bunkers though! Clubhouse a bit too posh for my liking but friendly. Played to roughly my course handicap which I was pleased about and if I was a bit straighter off the tee on a few holes would have got lower but there again if my auntie had balls she would have been my uncle!
I presume they have done away with the rule that you had to change into a jacket and tie to go into the clubhouse.
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Blackmac wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 4:29 pm
dpedin wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 3:59 pm Played Burgess this week and they are also complaining about the cold spring and late growth although it's catching up fast now. First time I have played the course and it was nice and fun, a few bare patches but greens were running fast and true. Lots of feckin bunkers though! Clubhouse a bit too posh for my liking but friendly. Played to roughly my course handicap which I was pleased about and if I was a bit straighter off the tee on a few holes would have got lower but there again if my auntie had balls she would have been my uncle!
I presume they have done away with the rule that you had to change into a jacket and tie to go into the clubhouse.
Jacket and tie still required for Dining Room and another bar. We went in in golf gear into one of the bars for a bacon roll but had to change afterwards for lunch. Very nice but stuffy clubhouse.
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dpedin wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 9:05 am
Blackmac wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 4:29 pm
dpedin wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 3:59 pm Played Burgess this week and they are also complaining about the cold spring and late growth although it's catching up fast now. First time I have played the course and it was nice and fun, a few bare patches but greens were running fast and true. Lots of feckin bunkers though! Clubhouse a bit too posh for my liking but friendly. Played to roughly my course handicap which I was pleased about and if I was a bit straighter off the tee on a few holes would have got lower but there again if my auntie had balls she would have been my uncle!
I presume they have done away with the rule that you had to change into a jacket and tie to go into the clubhouse.
Jacket and tie still required for Dining Room and another bar. We went in in golf gear into one of the bars for a bacon roll but had to change afterwards for lunch. Very nice but stuffy clubhouse.
I think Burgess, Muirfield and Royal Colombo are the only places I have experienced that. Muirfield and RC it felt okay and quite appropriate but I found that it just felt a bit silly at Burgess.
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Played my home course Baberton today and it is in glorious condition, I would recommend it to anyone. Great day for golf sunny, warm and little wind and my golf stood up for a 79 met 66! Nice to sip a beer on the balcony afterwards. Unfortunately it was a bounce game so put a card in my hand for tomorrow's medal and I will go to shit!
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dpedin wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 5:54 pm Played my home course Baberton today and it is in glorious condition, I would recommend it to anyone. Great day for golf sunny, warm and little wind and my golf stood up for a 79 met 66! Nice to sip a beer on the balcony afterwards. Unfortunately it was a bounce game so put a card in my hand for tomorrow's medal and I will go to shit!
Always enjoyed Barberton but certainly not an easy track. I've recently joined Kings Acre and to be honest I'm pleasantly surprised. Condition is generally excellent with the exception of the edges of the bunkers which could do with a bit of a tidy up. It has matured into a beast of a course, really tight with incredibly difficult green complexes.
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Blackmac wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 6:47 pm
dpedin wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 5:54 pm Played my home course Baberton today and it is in glorious condition, I would recommend it to anyone. Great day for golf sunny, warm and little wind and my golf stood up for a 79 met 66! Nice to sip a beer on the balcony afterwards. Unfortunately it was a bounce game so put a card in my hand for tomorrow's medal and I will go to shit!
Always enjoyed Barberton but certainly not an easy track. I've recently joined Kings Acre and to be honest I'm pleasantly surprised. Condition is generally excellent with the exception of the edges of the bunkers which could do with a bit of a tidy up. It has matured into a beast of a course, really tight with incredibly difficult green complexes.
I like the course there but last time I played a couple of years ago they had a bit of a problem with their greens - have they got them sort out? There is a par 4 where tee is high up and you hit way down into fairway below and into corner of a tight dog leg to the right - cracking hole.

Baberton is not easy, the undulations make it play longer than it looks on the card. A lot of the greens are raised so you need to be able to hit the ball high so it comes down soft. First three par 3s are 224, 188 and 213 yards long off the medal tees! Nice views to bridges and castle though.
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dpedin wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 10:32 am
Blackmac wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 6:47 pm
dpedin wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 5:54 pm Played my home course Baberton today and it is in glorious condition, I would recommend it to anyone. Great day for golf sunny, warm and little wind and my golf stood up for a 79 met 66! Nice to sip a beer on the balcony afterwards. Unfortunately it was a bounce game so put a card in my hand for tomorrow's medal and I will go to shit!
Always enjoyed Barberton but certainly not an easy track. I've recently joined Kings Acre and to be honest I'm pleasantly surprised. Condition is generally excellent with the exception of the edges of the bunkers which could do with a bit of a tidy up. It has matured into a beast of a course, really tight with incredibly difficult green complexes.
I like the course there but last time I played a couple of years ago they had a bit of a problem with their greens - have they got them sort out? There is a par 4 where tee is high up and you hit way down into fairway below and into corner of a tight dog leg to the right - cracking hole.

Baberton is not easy, the undulations make it play longer than it looks on the card. A lot of the greens are raised so you need to be able to hit the ball high so it comes down soft. First three par 3s are 224, 188 and 213 yards long off the medal tees! Nice views to bridges and castle though.
Yeah, the greens are generally very good with the odd exception. There is clearly a bit of an issue with not enough greens staff because if they could get it into tip top condition it would be amazing.
People seem to hate that hole (15th) but I like it. The only problem it they have allowed the trees on the left, in front of the tee to grow too high. They obscure the fact that the fairway down the left hand side is vast and that is the line to open up the second shot. If you were playing it for the first time you would feel forced to hit it down the right but you need to go 270 - 280 to reach the dog leg and have any sort of shot.

The par 5's and par 3's are probably the strongest of any course I have played in the Lothians. My golf game was in great shape early in the year but my lowest score since joining Kings Acre is 85.😩
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Not enjoying the USPGA. Just a dull bloody course with very few memorable holes.
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Blackmac wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 2:49 pm Not enjoying the USPGA. Just a dull bloody course with very few memorable holes.
After seeing all the players wearing the Nike rain gear, the designer needs to be taken down to the Pine Barrens, & shot in the face, because it's clearly designed to appeal to Jersey wiseguys.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/65825327
The PGA Tour has agreed to merge with Saudi Arabian-backed rival circuit LIV Golf in a deal that will end the split in the sport.

The surprise announcement comes after a year of unprecedented disruption in the men's game following LIV's launch.
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Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:00 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/65825327
The PGA Tour has agreed to merge with Saudi Arabian-backed rival circuit LIV Golf in a deal that will end the split in the sport.

The surprise announcement comes after a year of unprecedented disruption in the men's game following LIV's launch.
:wtf
Includes the European Tour as well. Wasn't expecting any of that quite so soon.

https://www.europeantour.com/dpworld-to ... nify-golf/

My worry now is that many of the European events will become at best second, if not third tier events. I think a better structure is needed than the Big Tour - Second level Tour - subsidiaries that both Europe and the USA have had recently. The slightly more fluid approach to events used in Tennis might be a better way to go (4 Majors, 10/11 Masters 1000, then a load of 500 and 250 tournaments and the challenger events).
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Fucks' sake.

Money talks, and Mickelson can kiss my fat hairy backside.

Is there any benefit to the PGA and European tours from this whole sorry saga, aside from not being driven to extinction?
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inactionman wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:42 pm Fucks' sake.

Money talks, and Mickelson can kiss my fat hairy backside.

Is there any benefit to the PGA and European tours from this whole sorry saga, aside from not being driven to extinction?
All the lads who stuck with the PGA and DP tours must be livid. Missed out on the opportunity for big paydays only to be sold down the river. So much for all the pish about sports washing. Pro golf can just fuck off.
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Rory McIlroy completely mugged off after all his grandstanding :lol: :lol:
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Blackmac wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:11 pm
inactionman wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:42 pm Fucks' sake.

Money talks, and Mickelson can kiss my fat hairy backside.

Is there any benefit to the PGA and European tours from this whole sorry saga, aside from not being driven to extinction?
All the lads who stuck with the PGA and DP tours must be livid. Missed out on the opportunity for big paydays only to be sold down the river. So much for all the pish about sports washing. Pro golf can just fuck off.
Completely agree !

I'd also ask how a deal like this, that creates one giant monopoly for a professional sport not fall afoul of every participant countries monopoly legislation ?

If they were selling books or computers this would never be allowed, why is selling a sport different ?
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Just can't get my head around the PGA/Liv thing. It's incredible. Apparently there was just about a riot when Monohan turned up at the players meeting tonight. Not one player knew about it. What a disgusting human being. All the bollocks he talked about sports washing and standing up for 9/11 victims etc, and he had just sold all professional golf to the Saudis. Pelley isn't much better.
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Blackmac wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:02 pm Just can't get my head around the PGA/Liv thing. It's incredible. Apparently there was just about a riot when Monohan turned up at the players meeting tonight. Not one player knew about it. What a disgusting human being. All the bollocks he talked about sports washing and standing up for 9/11 victims etc, and he had just sold all professional golf to the Saudis. Pelley isn't much better.
There's no show without the players, so if they all boycotted US Open, it might send the required message !
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Blackmac wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:02 pm Just can't get my head around the PGA/Liv thing. It's incredible. Apparently there was just about a riot when Monohan turned up at the players meeting tonight. Not one player knew about it. What a disgusting human being. All the bollocks he talked about sports washing and standing up for 9/11 victims etc, and he had just sold all professional golf to the Saudis. Pelley isn't much better.
That sounds mental, signing the deal without consulting the players. They could bring the whole thing to its knees by striking but I think we'll hear a few angry interviews from Rory, then it'll all blow over and the players will be even richer.
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McIlroy due in a press conference this afternoon. How will he and Tiger react to standing firm, turning down hundreds of millions of dollars and attacking Liv only to have the rug pulled out.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:30 am McIlroy due in a press conference this afternoon. How will he and Tiger react to standing firm, turning down hundreds of millions of dollars and attacking Liv only to have the rug pulled out.
It will be pretty funny viewing tbf.
Its pro sport and money is king. All the virtue signalling is, and always was, utter bollocks and a PR stunt.
He'll get in line like the rest of them, and have zero credibility as a result.
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Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:30 am McIlroy due in a press conference this afternoon. How will he and Tiger react to standing firm, turning down hundreds of millions of dollars and attacking Liv only to have the rug pulled out.
I would imagine Tiger will stand firm but as people are saying, Rory will voice his displeasure but say he has no choice but to get in line. From what I know Rory has refused to play in Saudi or have anything to do with Saudi sponsors for the last 5 years, but now he finds himself at their beck and all. Terrible situation
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Jim Lahey wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:06 am
Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:30 am McIlroy due in a press conference this afternoon. How will he and Tiger react to standing firm, turning down hundreds of millions of dollars and attacking Liv only to have the rug pulled out.
It will be pretty funny viewing tbf.
Its pro sport and money is king. All the virtue signalling is, and always was, utter bollocks and a PR stunt.
He'll get in line like the rest of them, and have zero credibility as a result.
Of course, if people were to actually examine what McIlroy said rather than just read headlines, they may think differently

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My exception with golfers, and most pro athletes, is that I don't believe there is an ounce of sincerity in them. They do things to earn more money (like we all do in our jobs).

Footballers and football fans understand this. Benzema and CR7 going to Saudi wasn't met with mass moral outrage, nor was Iniesta or Xavi going to the Middle East. Messi and Neymar both took the petrodollar by going to PSG, playing in a shit league but on big money. Football just gets on with it, confident in the fact that another generation of superstars will make their way through the establishment before taking the brown envelopes. Even the pre-Qatari World Cup human rights hysteria was quickly forgotten about once the football began. It was a cracking tournament on the pitch, shocking initial decision to hold it there in the first place tbf, but spectators quickly forget and adapt. The same will happen with golf.

Rory taking a stand against the Saudis was good PR for Brand Rory. He already makes a ton of money and was philosopher king designate of mainstream golf as a result, and probably garnered a reasonable amount of sponsorship for his good deeds, ontop of his general tournament earnings.

I think to put yourself on a moral high ground because of your decision when others decided to cash-in to the highest bidder, and then do your upmost to bring down the highest bidder, is a bit wankerish. If you and your work colleague get courted by a flashy new company that offers bigger salaries, your mate bites and you don't because you don't like the new company's industry/background, then a reasonable person makes peace with their decision and doesn't publically lambast their ex colleague for their decision imo. Whenever the new company starts poaching a decent proportion of the talent, then you either go with the tide, keep doing your thing regardless (albeit in a smaller pool), or do something else. But to bitch and whinge because the tide is going in a different direction to what you want isn't a good look.

I know the Saudis are wankers, everyone does tbf. But he was never going to stop them. Footy, which is a much bigger sport that means a hell of a lot more, to more people, couldn't keep the oil barons out. What exactly did the golfers think that they could achieve in a much more niche sport? Money will always be king in pro sport.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:36 pm My exception with golfers, and most pro athletes, is that I don't believe there is an ounce of sincerity in them. They do things to earn more money (like we all do in our jobs).

Footballers and football fans understand this. Benzema and CR7 going to Saudi wasn't met with mass moral outrage, nor was Iniesta or Xavi going to the Middle East. Messi and Neymar both took the petrodollar by going to PSG, playing in a shit league but on big money. Football just gets on with it, confident in the fact that another generation of superstars will make their way through the establishment before taking the brown envelopes. Even the pre-Qatari World Cup human rights hysteria was quickly forgotten about once the football began. It was a cracking tournament on the pitch, shocking initial decision to hold it there in the first place tbf, but spectators quickly forget and adapt. The same will happen with golf.

Rory taking a stand against the Saudis was good PR for Brand Rory. He already makes a ton of money and was philosopher king designate of mainstream golf as a result, and probably garnered a reasonable amount of sponsorship for his good deeds, ontop of his general tournament earnings.

I think to put yourself on a moral high ground because of your decision when others decided to cash-in to the highest bidder, and then do your upmost to bring down the highest bidder, is a bit wankerish. If you and your work colleague get courted by a flashy new company that offers bigger salaries, your mate bites and you don't because you don't like the new company's industry/background, then a reasonable person makes peace with their decision and doesn't publically lambast their ex colleague for their decision imo. Whenever the new company starts poaching a decent proportion of the talent, then you either go with the tide, keep doing your thing regardless (albeit in a smaller pool), or do something else. But to bitch and whinge because the tide is going in a different direction to what you want isn't a good look.

I know the Saudis are wankers, everyone does tbf. But he was never going to stop them. Footy, which is a much bigger sport that means a hell of a lot more, to more people, couldn't keep the oil barons out. What exactly did the golfers think that they could achieve in a much more niche sport? Money will always be king in pro sport.
To be fair, the mates that went to the new company did a fair bit of sniping back and bizarrely still wanted to work the odd highly paid shift at the old company and get all the benefits that went with it. If everyone that went to LIV had been like DJ and Harold Varner there wouldn't have been half the problems, but cnuts like Mickleson, Reed, Poulter and Westwood created a huge amount of the animosity.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:36 pm My exception with golfers, and most pro athletes, is that I don't believe there is an ounce of sincerity in them. They do things to earn more money (like we all do in our jobs).

Footballers and football fans understand this. Benzema and CR7 going to Saudi wasn't met with mass moral outrage, nor was Iniesta or Xavi going to the Middle East. Messi and Neymar both took the petrodollar by going to PSG, playing in a shit league but on big money. Football just gets on with it, confident in the fact that another generation of superstars will make their way through the establishment before taking the brown envelopes. Even the pre-Qatari World Cup human rights hysteria was quickly forgotten about once the football began. It was a cracking tournament on the pitch, shocking initial decision to hold it there in the first place tbf, but spectators quickly forget and adapt. The same will happen with golf.

Rory taking a stand against the Saudis was good PR for Brand Rory. He already makes a ton of money and was philosopher king designate of mainstream golf as a result, and probably garnered a reasonable amount of sponsorship for his good deeds, ontop of his general tournament earnings.

I think to put yourself on a moral high ground because of your decision when others decided to cash-in to the highest bidder, and then do your upmost to bring down the highest bidder, is a bit wankerish. If you and your work colleague get courted by a flashy new company that offers bigger salaries, your mate bites and you don't because you don't like the new company's industry/background, then a reasonable person makes peace with their decision and doesn't publically lambast their ex colleague for their decision imo. Whenever the new company starts poaching a decent proportion of the talent, then you either go with the tide, keep doing your thing regardless (albeit in a smaller pool), or do something else. But to bitch and whinge because the tide is going in a different direction to what you want isn't a good look.

I know the Saudis are wankers, everyone does tbf. But he was never going to stop them. Footy, which is a much bigger sport that means a hell of a lot more, to more people, couldn't keep the oil barons out. What exactly did the golfers think that they could achieve in a much more niche sport? Money will always be king in pro sport.
Does my mate's new company torture and assassinate people?
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