Stop voting for fucking Tories

[tabascoboy]

Blue on blue attack day today...........get the popcorn in!

Former Home Secretary Priti Patel will blame "those in power and control" of the Conservative Party for their heavy local election losses in a speech later.
Ms Patel will say "errors and mistakes made by a minority in Westminster have cost [the] party dearly".
She will be among several high-profile Tory MPs speaking to the Conservative Democratic Organisation, a new grassroots pro-Boris Johnson group.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65579691

Reading 'Boris at 10' currently - and how anyone can think this man can be truly considered as fit to return to that office is well beyond me ( unless of course you want a vacuous figurehead that might give you your old jobs back )

[I like neeps]

Keir Starmer scales back plan to extend voting rights to EU citizens
Labour leader reins in pledge to enfranchise over 3mn EU citizens amid Tory accusations of ‘gerrymandering’

That's another pledge gone.

[tabascoboy]

How pathetic is this? Is this all they've got to try and get their readers behind the Tories?

[GogLais]

How pathetic is this? Is this all they've got to try and get their readers behind the Tories?

They were glad to have the LDs in 2010.

[Tichtheid]

How pathetic is this? Is this all they've got to try and get their readers behind the Tories?

They were glad to have the LDs in 2010.

There you go muddying the waters with facts.

Nick Clegg was as anti-woke as they come, they were only kidding with that 2010 manifesto.

[I like neeps]

At this "national conservativism" conference the US Christians Republican mental think-tanks have decided to export to us Jacob Rees-Mogg (who was in government at the time) admits that the voter ID law was in fact to disenfranchise voters.

Well I never!

[SaintK]

At this "national conservativism" conference the US Christians Republican mental think-tanks have decided to export to us Jacob Rees-Mogg (who was in government at the time) admits that the voter ID law was in fact to disenfranchise voters.

Well I never!

Quite!!!

[SaintK]

No wonder Sunak invited Zelensky for a nice photo op at Chequers today.
Might bump a few of the headlines that maybe just a tad worrying for him. Otherwise just a normal quiet Monday for the Tory Party

Patel, Cruddas and "Team Boris" tearing in to Sunak at their conference at the weekend

It was billed as the launch of a campaign to hand more power to Tory members. It was not, its organisers repeatedly insisted, a group aiming to reinstall Boris Johnson as party leader – or cause trouble for Rishi Sunak. It was about “taking back control” of the Conservative party for the grassroots.
Yet as the Conservative Democratic Organisation (CDO) met for its inaugural gathering in a sunny Bournemouth on Saturday, it was less than 15 minutes after Tory MP Andrea Jenkyns had belted out the national anthem that Johnson’s name was first uttered on stage.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... th-sunak

Shy and retiring worst PM ever off free lancing to Taiwan. However, admits that she has no ambitions to be PM again

Asked directly if she had any ambitions to return as prime minister in the future, she replied:
I have no ambitions to become prime minister again. What I what I care about, is I care about making sure that freedom and democracy prevail across the world, and advocating for an economic NATO which I believe will help achieve that. I care about the British economy becoming successful, and our country growing.

The Conservative chair of the foreign affairs select committee launched a blistering attack on the former prime minister’s planned trip, calling it “the worst kind of Instagram diplomacy”.
Alicia Kearns said she thought Truss’s trip was little more than a vanity project aimed at keeping her profile high after her brief spell as prime minister last year.

Braverman laying out her vision for Britain (and culture war leadership manifesto for when they get rid of Sunak) to a very right wing audience at the NatCon conference in London today
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... -speech

[tabascoboy]

Braverman laying out her vision for Britain (and culture war leadership manifesto for when they get rid of Sunak) to a very right wing audience at the NatCon conference in London today
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... -speech

She'll be proposing a "National Flag Day" before long where everyone and everyone has to pay public obeisance to the Union Flag, if it's good enough for the US and all those other nations, then...

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 16f1a45050

Speaking at the National Conservatism conference in Westminster on Monday, Rees-Mogg said: “Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as dare I say we found by insisting on voter ID for elections.

“We found the people who didn’t have ID were elderly and they by and large voted Conservative.

The former Tory cabinet minister added: “So we made it hard for our own voters and we upset a system that worked perfectly well.”

[fishfoodie]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 16f1a45050

Speaking at the National Conservatism conference in Westminster on Monday, Rees-Mogg said: “Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as dare I say we found by insisting on voter ID for elections.

“We found the people who didn’t have ID were elderly and they by and large voted Conservative.

The former Tory cabinet minister added: “So we made it hard for our own voters and we upset a system that worked perfectly well.”

and the Gammons think he's one of the smart ones.

[I like neeps]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 16f1a45050

Speaking at the National Conservatism conference in Westminster on Monday, Rees-Mogg said: “Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as dare I say we found by insisting on voter ID for elections.

“We found the people who didn’t have ID were elderly and they by and large voted Conservative.

The former Tory cabinet minister added: “So we made it hard for our own voters and we upset a system that worked perfectly well.”

and the Gammons think he's one of the smart ones.

Only because he speaks posh and they are desperate to go back to the days when some Etonian Major told their grandad to walk very slowly over no man's land to give Fritz a good British walloping.

The electoral commission has to have a serious look at this no? A cabinet minister in government admitted the voter ID law was designed to disenfranchise people. There's diddling the boundary of some hamlet in Gloucestershire and there's this.

[dpedin]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 16f1a45050

and the Gammons think he's one of the smart ones.

Only because he speaks posh and they are desperate to go back to the days when some Etonian Major told their grandad to walk very slowly over no man's land to give Fritz a good British walloping.

The electoral commission has to have a serious look at this no? A cabinet minister in government admitted the voter ID law was designed to disenfranchise people. There's diddling the boundary of some hamlet in Gloucestershire and there's this.

I have heard the event referred to the 'Nat C Party Conference' which I thought was rather apt!

Tory Party tearing themselves apart as the right wing nut jobs are trying to rein in the extreme right wing nut jobs who are in hock to ultra extreme right wing US Christian twats!

[tabascoboy]

Tory Party tearing themselves apart as the right wing nut jobs are trying to rein in the extreme right wing nut jobs who are in hock to ultra extreme right wing US Christian twats!

Guess women shouldn't leave an abusive marriage "for the sake of the kids"

[Raggs]

There's a man who didn't live through his parents staying together for the kids. People really think that's a healthy environment for kids to grow up in?

[I like neeps]

There's a man who didn't live through his parents staying together for the kids. People really think that's a healthy environment for kids to grow up in?

Danny Kruger's mother is Prue Leith who had a 13 year affair with his father when he was married to his first wife. I wonder if he's ever asked about that?

It's very strange they're trying to export radical evangelical Christian policies to a country without radical evangelical Christians. The evangelists in the UK tend to be first gen/second gen immigrants who they are certainly not speaking to. If they were genuinely committed to natalist policies they'd be more encouraging of tax breaks for marriages/children. But the billionaire US funders won't be happy with that so they talk about Christianity to a country which is not interested.

[eldanielfire]

There's a man who didn't live through his parents staying together for the kids. People really think that's a healthy environment for kids to grow up in?

Depends on the reasons why the parents are breaking apart. Perhaps why so many marriages fail in some cultures needs to be examined. We do know there is a positive correlation with certain groups succeeding and the stability of the family unit.

[eldanielfire]

There's a man who didn't live through his parents staying together for the kids. People really think that's a healthy environment for kids to grow up in?

Danny Kruger's mother is Prue Leith who had a 13 year affair with his father when he was married to his first wife. I wonder if he's ever asked about that?

It's very strange they're trying to export radical evangelical Christian policies to a country without radical evangelical Christians. The evangelists in the UK tend to be first gen/second gen immigrants who they are certainly not speaking to. If they were genuinely committed to natalist policies they'd be more encouraging of tax breaks for marriages/children. But the billionaire US funders won't be happy with that so they talk about Christianity to a country which is not interested.

About sums it up. It's where I think the CHristian right has been culturally manilputed by the US corporate right for deacdes, depsite the right just pushed endless pro-corporate polices and neo-liberalism a the expense of family support and even making society difficult for the family unit, but still claiming they are pro-traditional families. The right has done that in the UK as well, but without the such overt religious framing. It's been pure gaslighting sicnce the Reagan/Thatcher era.

[tabascoboy]

Another attempt at one rule for us another for them, but failed this time

Javad Marandi: Tory donor's link to massive money laundering probe

A top businessman whose foreign companies were part of a global money laundering investigation is a major donor to the Conservative Party. Javad Marandi, who has an OBE for business and philanthropy, can be named after losing a 19-month legal battle with the BBC to remain anonymous.

Mr Marandi strongly denies wrongdoing and isn't subject to criminal sanction.

The judgement against him is a milestone for freedom of the press amid growing privacy laws in the courts.

A spokesman for the businessman said: "Mr Marandi is deeply disappointed at the court's decision to lift reporting restrictions, knowing the reputational damage that is likely to follow."

A National Crime Agency (NCA) investigation found some of Mr Marandi's overseas interests had played a key role in an elaborate money-laundering scheme involving one of Azerbaijan's richest oligarchs.

In January 2022, a judge ruled the NCA could seize £5.6m [$7m] from the London-based family of Javanshir Feyziyev, a member of Azerbaijan's parliament.

More at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61264369

[Raggs]

There's a man who didn't live through his parents staying together for the kids. People really think that's a healthy environment for kids to grow up in?

Depends on the reasons why the parents are breaking apart. Perhaps why so many marriages fail in some cultures needs to be examined. We do know there is a positive correlation with certain groups succeeding and the stability of the family unit.

There's not going to be many households that are going to be healthy environments if the 2 adults living together, don't want to be living together. Sure there's worse and better, but 2 people living together who don't want to be, is going to create an tense atmosphere regardless.

EDIT - 60% of marriage in the UK at the moment succeed (so end in death). That's not a bad number. I'd be intrigued as to how many of them last until retirement (so adult kids anyway), and how many of them end within 3 years due to it simply being a stupid marriage anyway.

[Paddington Bear]

There's a man who didn't live through his parents staying together for the kids. People really think that's a healthy environment for kids to grow up in?

Depends on the reasons why the parents are breaking apart. Perhaps why so many marriages fail in some cultures needs to be examined. We do know there is a positive correlation with certain groups succeeding and the stability of the family unit.

There's not going to be many households that are going to be healthy environments if the 2 adults living together, don't want to be living together. Sure there's worse and better, but 2 people living together who don't want to be, is going to create an tense atmosphere regardless.

EDIT - 60% of marriage in the UK at the moment succeed (so end in death). That's not a bad number. I'd be intrigued as to how many of them last until retirement (so adult kids anyway), and how many of them end within 3 years due to it simply being a stupid marriage anyway.

The stats are pretty conclusive that children do better with two parents at home. This doesn't change or invalidate anyone's own experiences or situations to the contrary, but on a macro national level it's what you want for most children.

[Raggs]

The stats are pretty conclusive that children do better with two parents at home. This doesn't change or invalidate anyone's own experiences or situations to the contrary, but on a macro national level it's what you want for most children.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

If 60% of marriages succeed, and a large chunk of those that fail are without children (or fail well after children have left home), then the benefit of growing up in a stable home can easily be felt through any problems regardless.

In addition, what exactly does "do better" mean? Mental health? Physical health? Monetary wealth? Education?

Just trying to find studies now (it's interesting), and one that I've come across suggests that maternal education levels had an effect in educational achievement rather than single hosueholds. Google scholar seems to be struggling to show me much that isn't 20 years old, those that are younger often seem to be meta analyses. But I've not spent long tweaking results.

I'm not suggesting single is better than dual, by any means. But the suggestion that parents should stay together for the children, is damaging. If they care about the children, then the children will still be financially and emotionally supported by both still. If one of the parents is a shitty parent anyway, and effectively dumps all responsibility on the other, then they'd never have considered staying together for the children anyway.

[Paddington Bear]

The stats are pretty conclusive that children do better with two parents at home. This doesn't change or invalidate anyone's own experiences or situations to the contrary, but on a macro national level it's what you want for most children.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

If 60% of marriages succeed, and a large chunk of those that fail are without children (or fail well after children have left home), then the benefit of growing up in a stable home can easily be felt through any problems regardless.

In addition, what exactly does "do better" mean? Mental health? Physical health? Monetary wealth? Education?

Just trying to find studies now (it's interesting), and one that I've come across suggests that maternal education levels had an effect in educational achievement rather than single hosueholds. Google scholar seems to be struggling to show me much that isn't 20 years old, those that are younger often seem to be meta analyses. But I've not spent long tweaking results.

I'm not suggesting single is better than dual, by any means. But the suggestion that parents should stay together for the children, is damaging. If they care about the children, then the children will still be financially and emotionally supported by both still. If one of the parents is a shitty parent anyway, and effectively dumps all responsibility on the other, then they'd never have considered staying together for the children anyway.

'do better' comes across on just about every metric in just about every country surveyed. The evidence is pretty conclusive.
I'm not arguing everyone needs to stay together for the kids, and incidentally I don't think that was the point being made.

[lemonhead]

How pathetic is this? Is this all they've got to try and get their readers behind the Tories?

If not the only, then surely the first UK newspaper written exclusively by AI?

Certain they just recycle their stories and a word or two every few months and no one notices. South Park manatees territory.

[Hal Jordan]

How pathetic is this? Is this all they've got to try and get their readers behind the Tories?

If not the only, then surely the first UK newspaper written exclusively by AI?

Certain they just recycle their stories and a word or two every few months and no one notices. South Park manatees territory.

I suppose Princess Diana stories don't sell like they used to.

[tabascoboy]

'do better' comes across on just about every metric in just about every country surveyed. The evidence is pretty conclusive.
I'm not arguing everyone needs to stay together for the kids, and incidentally I don't think that was the point being made.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, there is some absolutely batshit stuff coming out from speakers at this conference.

Hopefully leading to the Tory Party tearing itself apart and marginalising some of these loons

[Raggs]

'do better' comes across on just about every metric in just about every country surveyed. The evidence is pretty conclusive.
I'm not arguing everyone needs to stay together for the kids, and incidentally I don't think that was the point being made.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, there is some absolutely batshit stuff coming out from speakers at this conference.

Hopefully leading to the Tory Party tearing itself apart and marginalising some of these loons

Nah, the point he seemed to be trying to make was that it has to be heterosexual couples, and gays are bad. At least that's what a rather obvious reading of it would be.

[Biffer]

I think this is closer to the point being made

[I like neeps]

There's a man who didn't live through his parents staying together for the kids. People really think that's a healthy environment for kids to grow up in?

Danny Kruger's mother is Prue Leith who had a 13 year affair with his father when he was married to his first wife. I wonder if he's ever asked about that?

It's very strange they're trying to export radical evangelical Christian policies to a country without radical evangelical Christians. The evangelists in the UK tend to be first gen/second gen immigrants who they are certainly not speaking to. If they were genuinely committed to natalist policies they'd be more encouraging of tax breaks for marriages/children. But the billionaire US funders won't be happy with that so they talk about Christianity to a country which is not interested.

About sums it up. It's where I think the CHristian right has been culturally manilputed by the US corporate right for deacdes, depsite the right just pushed endless pro-corporate polices and neo-liberalism a the expense of family support and even making society difficult for the family unit, but still claiming they are pro-traditional families. The right has done that in the UK as well, but without the such overt religious framing. It's been pure gaslighting sicnce the Reagan/Thatcher era.

Exactly! If you're going to follow Christian tradition man and wife 2.1 kids you need to enact pro nativist policies (tax incentives etc) as they are in Poland and Hungary. For example building houses specifically for newly married couples in the UK or free childcare for married couples.

The economic model of rapacious rentier capitalism but with God judging you just is not going to result in family life. Religion requires a big state to turn the mumbo jumbo religious "teachings" into policy incentives.

[Hal Jordan]

'do better' comes across on just about every metric in just about every country surveyed. The evidence is pretty conclusive.
I'm not arguing everyone needs to stay together for the kids, and incidentally I don't think that was the point being made.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, there is some absolutely batshit stuff coming out from speakers at this conference.

Hopefully leading to the Tory Party tearing itself apart and marginalising some of these loons

Except we have the example of the Republican Party, who lurched violently to the right to appease the loon wing, who in
this country are themselves are in bed with and backed by the same money as the GOP batshitters.

Dishonour on the Natutal History Museum for acting as the venue for this shit. Declare a planetary emergency due to climate change and natural degradation, let these twats spout their denial shite for some cash.

Dishonour! Dishonour on your whole family! Dishonour on you, dishonor on your cow!

[dpedin]

'do better' comes across on just about every metric in just about every country surveyed. The evidence is pretty conclusive.
I'm not arguing everyone needs to stay together for the kids, and incidentally I don't think that was the point being made.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, there is some absolutely batshit stuff coming out from speakers at this conference.

Hopefully leading to the Tory Party tearing itself apart and marginalising some of these loons

Except we have the example of the Republican Party, who lurched violently to the right to appease the loon wing, who in
this country are themselves are in bed with and backed by the same money as the GOP batshitters.

Dishonour on the Natutal History Museum for acting as the venue for this shit. Declare a planetary emergency due to climate change and natural degradation, let these twats spout their denial shite for some cash.

Dishonour! Dishonour on your whole family! Dishonour on you, dishonor on your cow!

This right wing christian xenophobic fascism will not catch on in the same way that it has in the States.We don't have the same level of blind faith in dodgy pastors asking folk to send money in to them so they can save their souls and protect themselves from demons, we dont have the mega churches and TV preachers the states do. Sure we have pockets of religious extremism across a number of faiths but generally the UK pop are just too cynical about all religions to fall for this dumb shite. They will try hard to but I can't see them getting any traction in the UK.

Danny Kruger is an evangelical christian nut job in a Trumpy sort of way. A genuine twat of the first order and linked to the Dubai/Russian money funded Legatum Institute.

[sturginho]

Listening to the News Agents, they're playing some of the highlights. Some absolutely batshit stuff....

[PornDog]

The stats are pretty conclusive that children do better with two parents at home. This doesn't change or invalidate anyone's own experiences or situations to the contrary, but on a macro national level it's what you want for most children.

Broad statistical brushes like that always leave me uneasy.

Is it that children are more likely to do better if their parents stay together across the board, or is it that disadvantaged families are more likely to end in divorce and therefore more disadvantaged kids come from broken homes.

I'm not in a position to disagree with the notion, but when such broad statistical points are used as political footballs it always rubs me the wrong way.

[yermum]

Correlation does not equal causation. And all that jazz

Hindu children do better at maths in the UK

Ergo compulsory Vedic scripture lessons for all will improve maths across the board

[PornDog]

That may well be true, but that fact in isolation is mostly meaningless - and certainly isn't something politicians should be making broad statements, or worse basing policy, on.


In football, most goals are scored from within the box. Glen Hoddle, in his wisdom, decided to base his England strategy on hoofing the ball into the "area of maximum opportunity" whenever the chance arose. He was of course an abject failure in the job.

Broad statistics like that is not information - it's data - and should be treated accordingly.

Families are incredibly complicated things and their success relies on a huge number of factors, both internal and external to that family. Boiling it down to Mum and Dad staying together is what results in a happy family is a load of overly simplistic moronic twaddle!

[I like neeps]

This is genuinely very funny.

[Raggs]

This is genuinely very funny.

I thought at first he was joking around... He's actually serious about having had discussions with Thatcher from behind the grave.

I can handle the idea of being governed by narcissistic egotistic selfish arseholes, I don't enjoy it, but it's not a massive surprise etc. But the idea of being led by people who take this shit seriously is terrifying.

[tabascoboy]

[I like neeps]

This is genuinely very funny.

I thought at first he was joking around... He's actually serious about having had discussions with Thatcher from behind the grave.

I can handle the idea of being governed by narcissistic egotistic selfish arseholes, I don't enjoy it, but it's not a massive surprise etc. But the idea of being led by people who take this shit seriously is terrifying.

Yeah not only take seriously these ideas but don't even almost kind of understand them. The whole conference is a discussion on how globalism is bad, society is good, London financiers are bad, working class in the towns are good. It's the absolute antithesis of Thatcherism.

"We need more Thatcherism, we need to protect national industry, we need to take power away from the financiers, we need stronger communities and societies, we need Thatcherism!". But what they want is an isolationist state with much more intervention into the economy and private lives.

I fully agree we need a new financial model, some of the policies that these insane ramblings lead to I'd be interested in hearing. Probably would agree with some. But what they are doing is a complete rebuke of Thatcherism while talking about how great it is. Just bizarre.

[fishfoodie]

This is genuinely very funny.

I thought at first he was joking around... He's actually serious about having had discussions with Thatcher from behind the grave.

I can handle the idea of being governed by narcissistic egotistic selfish arseholes, I don't enjoy it, but it's not a massive surprise etc. But the idea of being led by people who take this shit seriously is terrifying.

Yeah not only take seriously these ideas but don't even almost kind of understand them. The whole conference is a discussion on how globalism is bad, society is good, London financiers are bad, working class in the towns are good. It's the absolute antithesis of Thatcherism.

"We need more Thatcherism, we need to protect national industry, we need to take power away from the financiers, we need stronger communities and societies, we need Thatcherism!". But what they want is an isolationist state with much more intervention into the economy and private lives.

I fully agree we need a new financial model, some of the policies that these insane ramblings lead to I'd be interested in hearing. Probably would agree with some. But what they are doing is a complete rebuke of Thatcherism while talking about how great it is. Just bizarre.

Well it's ironic they're championing the imaginary Nuclear family that was, because all their policies are divorced from reality.

How do Countries whose Governments are divorced from reality fare ? ..... Oh hang on, the UKs last lettuce, sorry, Prime Minister, tells us how well that works out !

All they've done is, lift-n-shift the bat shit crazy agenda from the furthest right part of the GOP, & drop it like a bucket of pigshit into the UKs political discussion: anti-woke, charter schools, abortion illegal, war on anyone who isn't white, islamaphobic, homophobic, no taxes for m/billionares etc, etc