The Official Cricket Thread

[Deepsouth]

It's like the Indian team fielding circa 80s

[Deepsouth]

The fat ginger thought it was a flying pie

[Sandstorm]

The fat ginger thought it was a flying pie

Screamer of a catch. Aussies wobbling at the end of the session.

[Sandstorm]

The fat ginger thought it was a flying pie

Screamer of a catch. Aussies wobbling at the end of the session.

[Deepsouth]

The fat ginger thought it was a flying pie

Screamer of a catch. Aussies wobbling at the end of the session.

That's not unique for us.....

[Big D]

England had to bowl first as it gave best option of forcing a result if weather is bad later in the test.

If they can nip Oz out tonight it'll have been a good days work.

[Torquemada 1420]

Match defining moment was yesterday evening when Labsouthafrican and Smith went.

Labushagne is a great flat track bully but can't play English conditions. He and Smith falling to the least likely bowler to take a wicket this series was at least as dim as anything Eng have been accused of.

Labuschagne is in poor form but he's got an incredible record in English conditions

I hadn't appreciated how poor. One fifty in his last 16 Test innings is dire stuff.

[Thor Sedan]

True guardians of the spirit would offer the touring side a chance to dictate order of play in foreign conditions.

Poor form.

[Biffer]

Labushagne is a great flat track bully but can't play English conditions. He and Smith falling to the least likely bowler to take a wicket this series was at least as dim as anything Eng have been accused of.

Labuschagne is in poor form but he's got an incredible record in English conditions

I hadn't appreciated how poor. One fifty in his last 16 Test innings is dire stuff.

Got to go back 22 innings for a ton, and that was against the West Indies, who barely count anymore.

[Sandstorm]

5-fer for Woakes. he's been great since they brought him back into the team this month.

[Biffer]

Moeen has passed 200 wickets and 3000 runs in tests. Only the 16th player to do that.

Quite the list of names - Shane Warne, Stuart Broad, Richard Hadlee, Ian Botham, Sir Garfield Sobers, Kapil Dev, Imran Khan, Danny Vettori, R Ashwin, Shaun Pollock, Cahminda Vaas, Jaques Kallis, Shakib al Hassan, Andrew Flintoff, Chris Cairns

[inactionman]

Can someone set me right on a law question whilst we wait for Crawley to give his wicket away?

This stems from once being called for a short run in a village cricket match (where I was clearly in but never mind that) and subsequent stupid beery discussions afterwards.

If the law says that, should a batsman not make the crease at the opposite end when turning for a second run, the first run will be considered short and discounted but the second will stand.

Is there anything in law to prevent a pair of batsman from blocking a ball, stepping one pace out of crease, grounding bat 21 yards short of the crease at the other end, and then grounding back in the starting end and claiming a valid second run?

I appreciate that the umpire's decision in village cricket would be 'don't taking the f***iing piss you tit' but there must be something that says this is a silly idea and mustn't be encouraged. I'm just not aware of it.

[duke]

Can someone set me right on a law question whilst we wait for Crawley to give his wicket away?

This stems from once being called for a short run in a village cricket match (where I was clearly in but never mind that) and subsequent stupid beery discussions afterwards.

If the law says that, should a batsman not make the crease at the opposite end when turning for a second run, the first run will be considered short and discounted but the second will stand.

Is there anything in law to prevent a pair of batsman from blocking a ball, stepping one pace out of crease, grounding bat 21 yards short of the crease at the other end, and then grounding back in the starting end and claiming a valid second run?

I appreciate that the umpire's decision in village cricket would be 'don't taking the f***iing piss you tit' but there must be something that says this is a silly idea and mustn't be encouraged. I'm just not aware of it.

I suspect the batsman will at the very least have to have crossed and one of them grounded their bat in the far crease for even one run to count

[Biffer]

Can someone set me right on a law question whilst we wait for Crawley to give his wicket away?

This stems from once being called for a short run in a village cricket match (where I was clearly in but never mind that) and subsequent stupid beery discussions afterwards.

If the law says that, should a batsman not make the crease at the opposite end when turning for a second run, the first run will be considered short and discounted but the second will stand.

Is there anything in law to prevent a pair of batsman from blocking a ball, stepping one pace out of crease, grounding bat 21 yards short of the crease at the other end, and then grounding back in the starting end and claiming a valid second run?

I appreciate that the umpire's decision in village cricket would be 'don't taking the f***iing piss you tit' but there must be something that says this is a silly idea and mustn't be encouraged. I'm just not aware of it.

You haven't attempted a run.

[inactionman]

Can someone set me right on a law question whilst we wait for Crawley to give his wicket away?

This stems from once being called for a short run in a village cricket match (where I was clearly in but never mind that) and subsequent stupid beery discussions afterwards.

If the law says that, should a batsman not make the crease at the opposite end when turning for a second run, the first run will be considered short and discounted but the second will stand.

Is there anything in law to prevent a pair of batsman from blocking a ball, stepping one pace out of crease, grounding bat 21 yards short of the crease at the other end, and then grounding back in the starting end and claiming a valid second run?

I appreciate that the umpire's decision in village cricket would be 'don't taking the f***iing piss you tit' but there must be something that says this is a silly idea and mustn't be encouraged. I'm just not aware of it.

You haven't attempted a run.

Is there a hard and fast set of criteria by what is meant by 'attempt'? Or is just common sense and interpretation - a la what constitutes attempting a shot when blocking a spinner?

As duke said, I'd think batsmen needing to cross would probably be a consideration.

[inactionman]

On more important matters, Crawley flying here.

Oz really missing Lyon, the spam-headed, bed-hopping career-ender.

[SaintK]

On more important matters, Crawley flying here.

Oz really missing Lyon, the spam-headed, bed-hopping career-ender.

Blimey!!! Nothing too stupid so far then?

[Big D]

Sensational session for England.

[Torquemada 1420]

Sensational session for England.

Yup. They've clearly decided that regardless of Bazball, the Aussies haven't shown much of an idea or ability to cope with these tactics so stick with them. Hopefully this will set up a decider.

[Torquemada 1420]

Or is just common sense and interpretation - a la what constitutes attempting a shot when blocking a spinner?

I really can't think of much debate there? Shouldering arms is defo no shot offered and so is the bat finishing behind the front pad. You have any examples of contentious ones?

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Can someone set me right on a law question whilst we wait for Crawley to give his wicket away?

This stems from once being called for a short run in a village cricket match (where I was clearly in but never mind that) and subsequent stupid beery discussions afterwards.

If the law says that, should a batsman not make the crease at the opposite end when turning for a second run, the first run will be considered short and discounted but the second will stand.

Is there anything in law to prevent a pair of batsman from blocking a ball, stepping one pace out of crease, grounding bat 21 yards short of the crease at the other end, and then grounding back in the starting end and claiming a valid second run?

I appreciate that the umpire's decision in village cricket would be 'don't taking the f***iing piss you tit' but there must be something that says this is a silly idea and mustn't be encouraged. I'm just not aware of it.

You haven't attempted a run.

Is there a hard and fast set of criteria by what is meant by 'attempt'? Or is just common sense and interpretation - a la what constitutes attempting a shot when blocking a spinner?

As duke said, I'd think batsmen needing to cross would probably be a consideration.

Interesting. Yes there is in the first instance because the spirt of play (Australian wicketkeepers not withstanding) is actually part of the laws of the game, other than that I wonder when the rules kick in?

In practice you might as well at least one because additional to proper grounding for a run to be scored the batters also need to cross, so you'd have to run roughly half-way (plus or minus a bit depending on relative speed of the batters) turn and run back, so running just the single would be faster. But actually at what point the Umpires wouldn't tell you to do one, even in a charity game if you were doing it to make scoring one harder I don't know

[Torquemada 1420]

Moeen has passed 200 wickets and 3000 runs in tests. Only the 16th player to do that.

Quite the list of names - Shane Warne, Stuart Broad, Richard Hadlee, Ian Botham, Sir Garfield Sobers, Kapil Dev, Imran Khan, Danny Vettori, R Ashwin, Shaun Pollock, Cahminda Vaas, Jaques Kallis, Shakib al Hassan, Andrew Flintoff, Chris Cairns

He's played a lot of tests so nothing remarkable about the runs. What I'm not sure of is how much he has bowled. All those other guys (bar Broad and maybe Kallis but that was more down to him not wanting to bowl) would be considered genuine all rounders and expected to bat and bowl every time. Even Warne. I don't think anyone would consider Moeen a genuine all rounder and so I guess it is quite remarkable for that alone.

[Sandstorm]

Crawley 139* with a strike rate of 95. Must be a road of a pitch with the Aussie bowlers just not interested....?

[Big D]

Moeen has passed 200 wickets and 3000 runs in tests. Only the 16th player to do that.

Quite the list of names - Shane Warne, Stuart Broad, Richard Hadlee, Ian Botham, Sir Garfield Sobers, Kapil Dev, Imran Khan, Danny Vettori, R Ashwin, Shaun Pollock, Cahminda Vaas, Jaques Kallis, Shakib al Hassan, Andrew Flintoff, Chris Cairns

He's played a lot of tests so nothing remarkable about the runs. What I'm not sure of is how much he has bowled. All those other guys (bar Broad and maybe Kallis but that was more down to him not wanting to bowl) would be considered genuine all rounders and expected to bat and bowl every time. Even Warne. I don't think anyone would consider Moeen a genuine all rounder and so I guess it is quite remarkable for that alone.

Ali was England's front line spinner for plenty of tests.

[Big D]

Crawley 139* with a strike rate of 95. Must be a road of a pitch with the Aussie bowlers just not interested....?

Aus bowlers have been all over the place (and being hit all over the place).

[TedMaul]

Back to the beach hut for Deepsouth.

[Biffer]

200 partnership at a strike rate of 109.8

[tabascoboy]

Well that was unexpected, last time I checked at lunch or just after Crawley was 27* - Bit of a shock to see the latest - in a good way! Crawley made more runs in one innings than Warner has in the series (173)

Some unpleasant looking bowling figures there...only 2 maidens in 58

[tc27]

Question for the non bandwagonners..should England just go for it this evening and then declare in the morning? Saturday is looking dubious weather wise.

[Insane_Homer]

Fucking hell, dodgy pitch, that practically rolled into Root's stumps.

[Mahoney]

Is there a hard and fast set of criteria by what is meant by 'attempt'? Or is just common sense and interpretation - a la what constitutes attempting a shot when blocking a spinner?

As duke said, I'd think batsmen needing to cross would probably be a consideration.

Here are the relevant bits of the laws:

18.1 A run

The score shall be reckoned by runs. A run is scored

18.1.1 so often as the batter, at any time while the ball is in play, have crossed and made good their ground from end to end.

...

18.3 Short runs

18.3.1 A run is short if a batter fails to make good his/her ground in turning for a further run.

...

18.5 Deliberate short runs

18.5.1 If either umpire considers that one or both batters deliberately ran short at that umpire’s end, the umpire concerned shall, when the ball is dead, call and signal Short run and inform the other umpire of what has occurred and apply 18.5.2.

18.5.2 The bowler’s end umpire shall

- disallow all runs to the batting side

- return any not out batter to his/her original end
...
- award 5 Penalty runs to the fielding side
...
18.5.3 The umpires together shall report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the offending side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain, any other individuals concerned and, if appropriate, the team.

https://www.lords.org/mcc/the-laws-of-c ... oring-runs

I have actually umpired a situation where I was sorely tempted to call a deliberate short run - oppo chasing, 9 down with 1 decent bat left, and he set off for 2, realised he wasn't going to get it if he completed the 1st so tapped a yard short and went back. Net result he got 1 and kept the strike, which shouldn't really have been OK. Seemed too inflammatory to call it in a club game though (might even have been a friendly, can't recall).

[Mahoney]

Those two wickets change the complexion a bit - it's perfectly possible to collapse to 400 all out from here, so I suspect they will play with more circumspection, they'll want a lead of at least 150 here.

[JM2K6]

Moeen has 5 Test hundreds and a FC average of 36, he's always been a decent batsman. He lost his way in test cricket a bit once he started bowling full time, but he's a much better bat than a few on that all rounders list tbh.

[Big D]

Moeen has 5 Test hundreds and a FC average of 36, he's always been a decent batsman. He lost his way in test cricket a bit once he started bowling full time, but he's a much better bat than a few on that all rounders list tbh.

Started off as a number 3 for Worcs IIRC.

[Slick]

Just finished watching the highlights.

Crawley is hilarious, sublime to ridiculous 14 times an over.

Have to say, nice touch from a few of the Aussies when he did go

[Torquemada 1420]

Moeen has 5 Test hundreds and a FC average of 36, he's always been a decent batsman. He lost his way in test cricket a bit once he started bowling full time, but he's a much better bat than a few on that all rounders list tbh.

Kinda what I meant. He is a specialist bat who did some part time bowling (by capability rather than overs completed). So, you'd expect him to be a better bat than some of those guys like Warne, Kapil and Hadlee.

[Torquemada 1420]

Those two wickets change the complexion a bit - it's perfectly possible to collapse to 400 all out from here, so I suspect they will play with more circumspection, they'll want a lead of at least 150 here.

That would be my criticism of Bazball. I'm all for one or two recognised bats behaving like pinch hitters: it has completely rattled the Aussies this series. However, if everyone behaves that way with a total disregard to the conditions or match situation, you simply risk throwing away games.

[Mahoney]

They didn't. Stokes & Brook played with circumspection. Stokes has quite often come in and calmed things down a lot.

[Insane_Homer]

bat to 1 hour after lunch, set 300, bowl them out without having to bat again.

[Sandstorm]

bat to 1 hour after lunch, set 300, bowl them out without having to bat again.

Wickets are tumbling now